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On Mon  4-Jan-1993  2:31a, Yury German wrote:

YG> :How did Todd Rundgren put his 10+ toasters together?
YG>         Do not know about TODD I do know how Foundation Imaging/ RON
YG> Thornton did it and they have a bonified network with a server, network
YG> cards and plenty of machines hooked up.

I think all Todd did was gave each of the machines difference scenes to
render -- I doubt they were  networked at all for some 'combined effort'
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> : is there a way to network two or more video toasters so I can do network
> : rendering?
>         Nope not at this time. If I understand Correctly New TEK is not
> even considering doing that since this would deduct from their sales.
> Although the suggestion has been asked of Alan Hastings many times.

  I read in Toaster magazine that the producers of Babylon 5 have 10 Toasters
networked to a 486 PC with a Gigabyte hard drive (for storage of the rendered
images).  I'm not sure exactly how they have it rigged, but apparently it is
possible to network the machines.
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>On Mon  4-Jan-1993  2:31a, Yury German wrote:
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>YG> :How did Todd Rundgren put his 10+ toasters together?
>YG>         Do not know about TODD I do know how Foundation Imaging/ RON
>YG> Thornton did it and they have a bonified network with a server, network
>YG> cards and plenty of machines hooked up.
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>I think all Todd did was gave each of the machines difference scenes to
>render -- I doubt they were  networked at all for some 'combined effort'
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For his "Change Myself" video, Rundgren had ten toaster systems sitting
on his dining room table (a picture of this was published in Amiga World
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a couple years ago) and he moved, by hand, large SCSI hard drives
between them. No networking.

After the video had been released he gave a talk at a hall at JPL in
Pasadena, which I attended (and which was taped and is sold to the
public... again see the little ads in the back of Amiga World although
the ads might be in issues some months back) at which he described
the entire process of making the video. He spent no small amount
of time moaning and bitching about how he had to move hard drives
around from one Amiga to another by hand.
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His more recent "Theology" video may be another story entirely and
he may have had his Toaster/Amiga boxes networked for that one but to
be honest, I don't know; I haven't seen anything about the making of
Theology in print yet. Nor can I tell you where to see/get the video.

Regards, Harv
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21400.3.3.496 Price quote for ImageMaster
1/4/93 12:08 12/ [e-mail] (Karl Frederick-N7TWP)
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    Pixel 3D Pro retails for $250, right?  From the previous disscussion here,
and a 50 or so page manual is hard argument to convince my employer.

    Price quote on ImageMaster, please?

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it appears that everytime I send something out on this list I get a
s--tload of error messages, apparently due to canceled accounts.  Can
anything be done about this?  It also seems that I don't get some of the
mailings :-<

Onto the LightWave question for this week:

Anyone try MotionMan yet?  I'm very close to getting it but would like to
hear from those who have it already.  Is it well made?

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Why does Motion Man cost so much more then Cycleman when it is basically
just a port?  MM costs around 110 while CM costs around 35.  Anyone use
something like Pixel3D Pro or Interchange(?) to port it over to Lightwave?

ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!

JOSHUA TSUI
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Hi Guys,

I hope everyone has seen the Video Toaster Demo tape. In this tape they have
shown a small music video. In this music video, they show the video picture
inside a leaf, and sometime they show the chessboard, and they replace
each black square with the video image, I am  wondering how that thing is done?

Does anybody know how this is done?

This demo tape is not the 2.0 demo tape.
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  Did anyone else catch the interview with Ron Thorton on CNN the other day?
It was a blurb about three new sci-fi series that are forthcoming -
Deep Space 9, Babylon 5, and Space Rangers.

  In case anyone hasn't heard yet, Ron Thorton is one of the special
effects guys working on B5, and uses LightWave to do all the renderings
of the space scenes for the show.

  The CNN article (which a friend was fortunate enough to get on tape)
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only had a few seconds of Ron talking (he had a B5 hat on, sitting next
to his Amiga) and they commented on the fact that this is the first time
such a major project has been done using computers that are not much more
than home PCs. No specifics were mentioned (Lightwave, Newtek, nor Amiga).

  The footage from B5 was much more impressive than the shots from either
of the other two. I can't wait to see more (it showed a space craft approaching
the huge, sort of cylindrical shaped space station - the one pictured in
AmigaWorld).

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>    Pixel 3D Pro retails for $250, right?  From the previous disscussion here,
>and a 50 or so page manual is hard argument to convince my employer.
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>    Price quote on ImageMaster, please?
>
these two programs are completely different aren't they?  I thought
Imagemaster was an image-processing program.

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Provided each machine has a Toaster, it's quite possible to create a full
renderfarm using only Amigas (ie: no IBM Novel server) equipped with
ethernet cards (either Commodore's or ASDG's) and using Enlan-DFS from
Interworks.  Each machine is part of a peer to peer network and devices
can be shared easily.  I know of at least two small graphics companies that
are doing this.  One has three 040, ethernet, Toaster equipped 3000s tied
together with each machine rendering a scene with the scene split up in
steps of three for each machine.  All frames are being dumped to one of the
machines where the frames are backed up to tape for later dumping to an
Exabyte tape drive.   It's working quite well.  Since LightWave has a basic
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ARexx port that has the essentials to do renderfarming, all one needs is
the script for complete automated rendering distribution.


On the Amiga, ANYTHING is possible!

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I use two toaster systems that are tied to a Unix fileserver at work.
We have 6 Amiga in total.  All the systems can access files or work
collectively on projects.  It we were rendering 3D scenes in Lightwave
we would have each toaster system render different scenes, but save the
images to the save hard drive.  That makes it much easy to single frame
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On Tue  5-Jan-1993  2:36a,  Harv wrote:

> His more recent "Theology" video may be another story entirely and
> he may have had his Toaster/Amiga boxes networked for that one but to
> be honest, I don't know;

Knowing his influence on Alan, he probably as an 'Extra Special' version
of LW that even does the dishes for him. <sigh>

> Moderator/Sysop: Portal's Amiga Zone
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> (Where this mailing list feeds directly into our message base :-)

Yah--great isn't it!  (Sure saves when 10 people on your system all want
the same mailing list..)

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> >YG> Thornton did it and they have a bonified network with a server, network
> >YG> cards and plenty of machines hooked up.

Yes, Ron is using the 2065 Ethernet cards with some Novell network
software from Oxxi.

> Rundgren's recent "Theology" video may be another story entirely and
> he may have had his Toaster/Amiga boxes networked for that one but to
> be honest, I don't know.

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I'm not sure what Nutopia is using specifically but they are also doing
network rendering and controlling it via Arexx (which LW happily takes
orders from). In summary, LightWave is more than capable of network
rendering. You can break the scenes up so that each machine does some
subset of the scene or have each machine render its own scene. With the
appropriate network software, you can setup a file server configuration
which has storage for files which must be common to all machines and
a monster HD for accumulating the frames. And while I haven't setup an
Amiga Toaster network, I have rendered to NFS mounted drives with my 2065.
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> In this music video, they show the video picture
> inside a leaf, and sometime they show the chessboard, and they replace each
> black square with the video image, I am wondering how that thing is done?
> Does anybody know how this is done?

The video image is not live video but a digitized sequence which was captured
using the Toaster framegrabber on the output of an LVR5000 video disc
recorder. Every other frame was actually digitized to reduce the data
and grabbing/conversion time. This was then loaded as an image sequence
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board. The frames where numbered 001, 003, 005, etc. If lightWave encounters
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even frames) it will use the last loaded image. Consequently, proper timing
is maintained. Note that image sequences can be used in any fashion that a
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To: >internet: [e-mail]

To add more to the wondering about how Rundgren and Thornton
created their Toaster farms, I can confirm that Rundgren
did not have a network for the production of "Change Myself,"
he had a big hard drive that he (or his assistants) toted
from machine to machine to capture the frames it had saved
to its local hard disk.

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Novell networks crafted by Thornton, or more precisely,
Paul Beigle-Bryant, his more computer-literate assistant.
(Thornton is more of a modeler than a hacker, actually.)

So, they have a Novell server and Oxxi's Novell client
software on each Amiga, connected via Ethernet.  The PC
has a big hard disk, and the farm-ette Toasters save
and share data on the PC's hard drive.  There's no
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Joshua Tsui asks about converting a hierarchical Imagine object
(CycleMan) to LightWave...

I think only InterChange Plus will do what you want.  With it,
you can convert a hierarchical Imagine object to a LightWave
scene.  If you simply convert the hierarchical object to a
LightWave *object*, you have lost the hierarchy information
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When InterChange Plus converts a hierarchical object (from any
format that supports hierarchies) to a LightWave scene, we
create a proper LW scene file plus we convert each sub-object
as a separate LightWave object file.  Presto, load the scene
file, which loads all the sub-objects into the right places
in space, with the right parent-child relationships that
preserve the centers of rotation for the hierarchies.

Pixel 3D Pro does not do this.  As to why someone charges
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MotionMan, I'd guess they raised the price because they
had to exert extra effort to convert their Imagine object
to LightWave format because InterChange Plus wasn't out
yet.  :-)  Or maybe they added some other value to it,
like surface maps of some kind...

For more info about InterChange Plus, call [phone].

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        Pixel 3D Pro retails for $250, right?  From the previous disscussion
here, and a 50 or so page manual is hard argument to convince my employer.

    Price quote for InterChange, please?
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> extra for the LightWave version - without knowing much about
> MotionMan, I'd guess they raised the price because they
> had to exert extra effort to convert their Imagine object
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    I'd guess that one works with a $250 piece of software
and the other works with a $2200 hardware/software dong- uh, bundle.
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North Dakota State University
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   Looks like this could be a very helpful group. I'm new to the Toaster and
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Hi all,

I am looking for leads on both "Public Domain" and commercial objects of a
particular type.  Any help will be appreciated.

I am working on an automotive research project where I need to create
animations of more-or-less realistic automotive traffic (a driver's view of the
road and traffic).  I need objects of cars and trucks of the sort you might
expect to see on the roads today (some of the available objects I have noticed
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Highly detailed models are nice, but they may result in excessive rendering
times, so simpler, reasonable looking models may be very acceptable. I think
wheels that can rotate would be helpful for realism.  Not much else needs to be
movable for this project.

Lightwave objects would be good, but I have Pixel 3D Pro so I should be able to
convert objects from most other formats.  If good objects with hierarchies
(e.g. movable wheels, etc.) are available in another format I can consider
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          Welcome to the list Randy!
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>          Welcome to the list Randy!
>          And don't worry, you can't be more lost than I am with the
>          Toaster. :-)
>                                           Brian Bowles
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>

or me, actually this is the most fun I've had with my Amiga.  Just
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[e-mail] (Karl Frederick-N7TWP) asks:
> Price quote for InterChange, please?

InterChange Plus retails for $99.95.  For a limited time, we're
selling it direct from Syndesis for just $69.95.  Upgrades from
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> Pixel 3D Pro retails for $250, right?  From the previous disscussion
> here, and a 50 or so page manual is hard argument to convince my
> employer.

InterChange Plus's manual is 130 pages, Pixel 3D Pro's is 48 pages.
They spend about a paragraph describing what they support in each
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I was just reading rec.video, and I saw a post on SONY LVR-5000, this is a
videodisk recorder that has RS232 interface. Does anyone has any more
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Is it possible to record one frame at a time on a videodisk?


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  Hi to all. I'm slowly learning the ins and outs of Lightwave 3-D
 One thing I have noticed is that wahat I render is larger than what it appears
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  Can anyone tell me why this is and give me a better way of working with it
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>Hi Guys,
>
>I was just reading rec.video, and I saw a post on SONY LVR-5000, this is a
>videodisk recorder that has RS232 interface. Does anyone has any more
>information on this?
>
>Is it possible to record one frame at a time on a videodisk?
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    Wow.....how much?  Going to videodisk IS THE WAY for computer
graphics!  No preroll, no tape glitches....beautiful quality....not
digital but hey.

    I have talked to a couple of people and ALL who have video disk
swear they'll never single frame on tape.  With a disk, you just push a
button and instant frame....perfectly accurate, no preroll needed.
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    Be aware that there are different videodisk formats floating
around, and you certaintly won't be able to stick a disk from that into
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Hi FREEMAN (FREEMAN), in <[e-mail]> on Jan 04 you wrote:

:   I read in Toaster magazine that the producers of Babylon 5 have 10 Toasters
: networked to a 486 PC with a Gigabyte hard drive (for storage of the rendered
: images).  I'm not sure exactly how they have it rigged, but apparently it is
: possible to network the machines.

    Yeah Foundation Imaging have it hooked up to a 486 PC with
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>
>
> >
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >I was just reading rec.video, and I saw a post on SONY LVR-5000, this is a
> >videodisk recorder that has RS232 interface. Does anyone has any more
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> >Is it possible to record one frame at a time on a videodisk?
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>
>     Wow.....how much?  Going to videodisk IS THE WAY for computer
> graphics!  No preroll, no tape glitches....beautiful quality....not
> digital but hey.
>
>     I have talked to a couple of people and ALL who have video disk
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> swear they'll never single frame on tape.  With a disk, you just push a
> button and instant frame....perfectly accurate, no preroll needed.
>
>     Be aware that there are different videodisk formats floating
> around, and you certaintly won't be able to stick a disk from that into
> a standard laser disk player to play back on.

Not to mention the fact that if you do spend the money for a good
Beta deck, 1" or even 3/4", you will be paying about the same money
and possibly even more.  With a tape deck you will be wearing the
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wear or tear on anything.  You can then just dump that in real time
to your master tape.

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> Hi FREEMAN (FREEMAN), in <[e-mail]> on Jan 04 you
>
> :   I read in Toaster magazine that the producers of Babylon 5 have 10 Toaste
> : networked to a 486 PC with a Gigabyte hard drive (for storage of the render
> : images).  I'm not sure exactly how they have it rigged, but apparently it i
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>     Yeah Foundation Imaging have it hooked up to a 486 PC with
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> Ethernet cards using the ethernet network on the Amiga and using the 486
> as a server. It hink they have a 2 gig or something close to it drive for
> the Toaster network though.

This networking isn't that big of a deal.  I mean linking up several
Amiga's and having them all render to a single large drive.  You
basically have to have 10 Toaster machines to do your network
rendering.  While this may still be less expensive than say SGI
machines and Wavefront or TDI software, you still have to purchase
the systems and the Toasters.
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What I was hoping for was a network rendering solution that didn't
require Toasters in every machine.  Just the CPU's chugging away
rendering frames..or in the case of "real" network rendering,
portions of frames.  I guess that would then be distrubuted
processing.  Sure would be nice to be able to pop off a rendered
frame on say 4 CPU's in a few seconds...<grin>

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On Sat, 9 Jan 1993 [e-mail] wrote:
> This networking isn't that big of a deal.  I mean linking up several
> Amiga's and having them all render to a single large drive.  You
> basically have to have 10 Toaster machines to do your network
> rendering.  While this may still be less expensive than say SGI
> machines and Wavefront or TDI software, you still have to purchase
> the systems and the Toasters.
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> What I was hoping for was a network rendering solution that didn't
> require Toasters in every machine.  Just the CPU's chugging away
> rendering frames..or in the case of "real" network rendering,
> portions of frames.  I guess that would then be distrubuted
> processing.  Sure would be nice to be able to pop off a rendered
> frame on say 4 CPU's in a few seconds...<grin>
>
> -- Bob

    ....and thats one reason why my company does most of our animating
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    I have a problem with Lightwave that is holding me back from using
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>Not to mention the fact that if you do spend the money for a good
>Beta deck, 1" or even 3/4", you will be paying about the same money
>and possibly even more.  With a tape deck you will be wearing the
>crap out of the thing.  With a Videodisk recorder you don't put any
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    About half a year ago I saw a new Panasonic Lasrerdisk Recorder,
what made it really nice is that it had 2 heads for reading.  What this
means is you could dump raw video footage to it, and in the machine
itself set up edit points.  The recorder would then play back all the
cuts you specified in order in real time.

    From a practical standpoint, it means it you do mostly cut
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regardless of where on the disk the scenes you want are.  For animating,
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disk itself could loop over the scene as many times as wanted, and you
would only have to single frame it once.

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>>I have talked to a couple of people and ALL who have video disk
>> swear they'll never single frame on tape.  With a disk, you just push a
>> button and instant frame....perfectly accurate, no preroll needed.
>Not to mention the fact that if you do spend the money for a good
>Beta deck, 1" or even 3/4", you will be paying about the same money
>and possibly even more.  With a tape deck you will be wearing the
>crap out of the thing.  With a Videodisk recorder you don't put any
>wear or tear on anything.  You can then just dump that in real time
>to your master tape.


   I think what everyone is forgetting here is that the recordable
llaserdisks are all color under formats, and as such are subject to the
limitations of that method. If you have a Betacam, MII or such deck, you
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Regarding Subject: Re: SONY LVR-5000: Has anybody seen this????

| >[...]  With a tape deck you will be wearing the
| >crap out of the thing.  With a Videodisk recorder you don't put any
| >wear or tear on anything.  You can then just dump that in real time
| >to your master tape.

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to make animations and my opinion of them is not so sunny.  This was a few
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working for a physics lab that had gigabytes of astronomical data they
wanted to "visualize" so we made movies with it.  When videodisc recorders
became available we bought two and integrated them into our video-based
lab.  These were the early Panasonic 8-inch recorders (I can't remember
their precise names and numbers, sorry).

The good points were many: we could make movies very quickly as it took
less than a second to record a frame.  They had RS232 ports with a simple
command language, so we could easily control them from other computers.
We had software to display frames and record, and playback software that
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useful in a visualization lab and gave the scientists tools to view the
huge data sets we had.

But the recorders were extremely unreliable.  Making a movie required
babysitting the machine and coaxing it along if it lost sync or something.
This was okay in the lab where everything was kind of an experiment anyway,
but would be totally unsuitable for production work.  Sometimes a machine
just refused to work.  It would flash its generic error code on the front
panel and spin the disc down, refusing to start again no matter what
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signal we fed it.  We eventually discovered that if we took the case off
and hit the moving parts of the laser head with compressed air, it would
start working again.  We sent one for servicing once and after it came
back it never worked well again.

They seemed to be particularly quirky about what video signal they liked.
I tried to hook my Amiga to one once and the recorder would not sync on
the signal.  This was an Amiga genlock board -- pre-Toaster.  I eventually
cobbled something together using the sync signal from one of the systems
it did like.  They also apparently also produced a poor output video
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signal.  We had some folks from Nova or some show like that who wanted
to record some of our solar granulation movies for a broadcast TV show.
TV engineers came into the lab, hooked up their scope and shook their
heads.  The video signal was so bad they had to find another way to get
the stuff on tape.

The media was not too hot then either.  Many frames had dropouts, some
more than one, and over time the images would degrade somewhat.  I think
it was not wear from use but simply that the material they used to make
the disc writable decayed over time.  They never got very bad, but the
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|     About half a year ago I saw a new Panasonic Lasrerdisk Recorder,
| what made it really nice is that it had 2 heads for reading.  What this
| means is you could dump raw video footage to it, and in the machine
| itself set up edit points.  The recorder would then play back all the
| cuts you specified in order in real time.

Of course, things have probably gotten better now that there is some
competition in the market and they have evolved for a few years, and
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these latest improvements sound pretty good.  But I would be very, very
careful and ask a lot of probing questions before I shelled out that
kind of bucks for a single solution.

|     Anyone have $30,000 to spare?  :)

Gee, ours were only 15 grand each.  These MUST be better. :)
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> Regarding Subject: Re: SONY LVR-5000: Has anybody seen this????
>
> | >[...]  With a tape deck you will be wearing the
> | >crap out of the thing.  With a Videodisk recorder you don't put any
> | >wear or tear on anything.  You can then just dump that in real time
> | >to your master tape.
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> Just to provide a ballanced perspective, I have used laser disc recorders
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> to make animations and my opinion of them is not so sunny.  This was a few
> years back when they were new so they have probably gotten better.  I was
> working for a physics lab that had gigabytes of astronomical data they
> wanted to "visualize" so we made movies with it.  When videodisc recorders
> became available we bought two and integrated them into our video-based
> lab.  These were the early Panasonic 8-inch recorders (I can't remember
> their precise names and numbers, sorry).

The early Panasonic 8-inch recorders were some of the worst recorders
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then.  Of course the Sony recorder and it's processor were going for
around $25K then instead of the $15K Panasonic price tag.  There was
something to be said for that additional 10K to be sure.

I think Mark Thompson may be able to shed some light on this subject
as I believe he's been using a Videodisk recorder of late.  We
haven't had the need or budget to pop one into our studio yet.  I
think it will probably be part of our setup this year though.

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    Anyone out there using a product sold by Technical Aesthetics
Operations, INC.  Brief description of literature follows:

    The Editizer is a unique product which unites the functions
of tape logging, edit decision list management, and edit controlling.
    The Editizer supports a vast array of video hardware, providing
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back to me.  I will try to weed out all the bad addresses when I receive
the bounces to this message.

I have been taking out all bouncing addresses each time I post.  We have
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ORIGINALLY FROM: [e-mail] (David Humphreys)

One thing I havn't seen anybody mention about 3D Studio is its interface
which allows stuff like procedural shaders and modelers to be easily
incorporated into it.  There is a fairly large supply of third party add-ons
which use this interface. For example, I have seen add-ons for 3D studio that
will do things like particle systems (exploding objects with gravity,
tornadoes, fireworks, etc), additional procedural material shaders, melting
objects, enhanced morphing capabilites, snow and rain simulations, etc.
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I have no idea what capabilities Lightwave has in this area, this was just
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>
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>   Hi to all. I'm slowly learning the ins and outs of Lightwave 3-D
>  One thing I have noticed is that wahat I render is larger than what it appears
>  in the camera view of the Layout.

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The window in Lightwaves layout is displaying full over-scan, but when
rendered out to NTSC not all of the pict is displayed.  The amount of
overscan that is displayed will also vary from monitor to monitor.

>
>   Can anyone tell me why this is and give me a better way of working with it
>  without rendering over and over in super low res?

There is an option that you can turn on in the layout.  It should be under
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my memory...  But this should put a box around your display showing what
will be cut off in the overscan.  Not all monitors will display the same
amount of overscan though, just something to keep in mind..
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    I'm having a problem defining a camera path that doesn't have a
rollercoaster-like dip in it.
    I've got a building (a cut-away NASA wind tunnel) and my camera
location is up and out. I've got a key frame at the beginning of the
sequence that matches the end-frame from another camera move. When I create
a key frame at the end of my second animation sequence, moving down, in,
and changing pitch, the camera path has this huge dip in it.
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effect. I've also experimented with the three spline paramenters -- bias,
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tried putting key frames between my start and end points to force the path
straight, but all that does is increase the frequency of the the dips.
    What do I need to do to create a straight camera path?


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Hi all,

   What is the interest level for a "psuedo" particle animation
system for Lightwave 2.0?

I have been hacking together some useable code to simulate launched
projectiles which allows water fountains, waterfalls, and bouncing
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A wide range of algorithms are possible for custom motion control.
Such as; blowing leaves, snowfall, explosions, and even with further
work, a behavioral system for flocking birds and schooling fish.

Any feedback would be helpful.  I am considering uploading a simple
version of this to an ftp site if anybody would be interested.

Thanks,

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On Sat, 16 Jan 1993, Jason Linhart wrote:

> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 12:24:12 CST
> From: Jason Linhart <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: LW 2.0 Particle System
>
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> I have been hacking together some useable code to simulate launched
> projectiles which allows water fountains, waterfalls, and bouncing
> objects.

Oh boy!

> A wide range of algorithms are possible for custom motion control.
> Such as; blowing leaves, snowfall, explosions, and even with further
> work, a behavioral system for flocking birds and schooling fish.

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    Well I can't speak for everyone, but for me (a novice currently
not even in a position to make any money from lightwave, yet) this sounds
like it would be more useful to me than any other software products I can
think of (with slight exception to Lightwave Pro).  I specified
"software" because I can't even render to videotape!  <money,money,money>

    One of the more difficult tasks (for me!) is precise object position
and fluid (realistic looking) motion.  Making wireframe preveiws are time
consuming (even rendering on two frame step and playing the preview at 15

fps.), however often neccisary.  Complicated and precise motion take up
more time than anything else.

    Here's the point.  I'm a student with homework, U.I.L activities,
apparently more computer knoledge than most in this little town I call
home, and to top it all off A LIFE!  Any time I have to use the "studio's"
Toaster is before 8:00 or after 3:00 still trying to juggle said "time
consumers".  From what I hear, this would allow me to use more complicated
motion/s than I have not been capable of.  Without spending three to seven
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      I have just installed 2.1 into a toaster system.  After the install
      we had some problems with the preview and program monitors.

      When we turned off the toaster the raster would show at the bottom of
      the preview screen and the picture was very wavy.  Both of the
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I know this is a lightwave maillist, however I didn't
know whoelse to call on.  I installed 2.1 into out
Toaster system and don't seem to have a problem with
2.1, however the Toaster is acting a little funny.  When
I bring up the switcher, at one point in the
initilization, we get a red flash on the screen.  Also
on the Program and preview monitors, the signal seems to
be out of sync.  With the Toaster off, both monitors
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Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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>  I know this is a lightwave maillist, however I didn't
>  know whoelse to call on.  I installed 2.1 into out
>  Toaster system and don't seem to have a problem with
>  2.1, however the Toaster is acting a little funny.  When
>  I bring up the switcher, at one point in the
>  initilization, we get a red flash on the screen.  Also
>  on the Program and preview monitors, the signal seems to
>  be out of sync.  With the Toaster off, both monitors
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>  Thanks
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>  Remember - The lead sled dog is the only one with a
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I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
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nothing else.  Maybe I'm missing a monitor type or something...
I'm new to 2.x as well as I was running 1.3 up until two weeks ago.
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you running?  (Toaster 1 and AmigaDOS 2 are, to my knowledge, unfriendly
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>I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
>initialize.  I get a "Cannot open Toaster Window" info requester and
>nothing else.  Maybe I'm missing a monitor type or something...
>I'm new to 2.x as well as I was running 1.3 up until two weeks ago.
>Any guesses?  Thanks.


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          Well, I don't know about 2.1, but I just got it and I'm
          going to install it tonight!  I may be in the same boat as
          you come morning.  I might add that sometimes under 2.04 my
          Toaster would not initialize when I had a VTR connected.  I
          thought it might be my TBC, but Newtek said that there was a
          small adjustment know on the right side of the board that
          might need to be turned slightly.  As this problem does not
          occur ever time, I decided to wait on messing with it.  When
          it gets bad enough I might be able to forget about how much
          money I tied up in it and atempt a repair. :-)
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> >  I know this is a lightwave maillist, however I didn't
> >  know whoelse to call on.  I installed 2.1 into out
> >  Toaster system and don't seem to have a problem with
> >  2.1, however the Toaster is acting a little funny.  When
> >  I bring up the switcher, at one point in the
> >  initilization, we get a red flash on the screen.  Also
> >  on the Program and preview monitors, the signal seems to
> >  be out of sync.  With the Toaster off, both monitors
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> >  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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> >  Thanks
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> >  Rick...
> >  Rom. 5:8                     [e-mail]
> >
> >  Remember - The lead sled dog is the only one with a
> >  decent view.....
> >
> >
> I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
> initialize.  I get a "Cannot open Toaster Window" info requester and
> nothing else.  Maybe I'm missing a monitor type or something...
> I'm new to 2.x as well as I was running 1.3 up until two weeks ago.
> Any guesses?  Thanks.
>

Try reinstalling your VT software and see if that fixes it.  If not
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But I have seen 3 different systems that I know work real well with
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>I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
>initialize.  I get a "Cannot open Toaster Window" info requester and
>nothing else.  Maybe I'm missing a monitor type or something...
>I'm new to 2.x as well as I was running 1.3 up until two weeks ago.
>Any guesses?  Thanks.

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> So what's the latest on availablity of LW 3?
>
>

Here is the official word from NewTek:

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> > > >  I know this is a lightwave maillist, however I didn't
> > > >  know whoelse to call on.  I installed 2.1 into out
> > > >  Toaster system and don't seem to have a problem with
> > > >  2.1, however the Toaster is acting a little funny.  When
>
> > > I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
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> > Try reinstalling your VT software and see if that fixes it.  If not
> > check to make sure your VT card is seated properly in the slot.
>
> Bad advice.

Bad ADVICE?  How do you figure?  I dont recall seeing any advice from you.
At least I am attempting to find a SOLUTION to the problem, not describing
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> > AmigaDOS 2.X  Matter of fact I think it works better!
>
> He is not saying 2.x he is saying _2.1_!  I recently installed 2.1 myself

I AM SAYING 2.X!  That is why I said 2.X, not 2.04 or 2.1 specifically!
To go into more detail, I have installed 2.04 on the system I use
every day!  I installed a VT into a system that has 2.04 in it to start
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That is why I said 2.X not 2.1!  Each and every machine is working perfectly!
Now that is what lead me to think that the problem is something else.

When a person installs the 2.04 ROM, (YES 2.04 not 2.x not 2.1, there is
no such thing as a 2.1 ROM, CBM is shipping 2.04 ROMs with the 2.1 upgrade)
the drive cage and power supply have to be removed. (possibly jarring
the VT card)  I would really hate to think that there could be
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So all in all lets find a solution to the problem, not a better
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> and then later went back to start using the toaster again.  I notice my
> program monitor had extremely shaky (wavey) output.  I thought it might
> be RF interference or a bad cable, but I couldn't get it to go away.
> It now sounds exactly like the same problem a couple other people are seeing
> when they go from 1.x or 2.04 to 2.1.
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>> So what's the latest on availablity of LW 3?
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>
>Here is the official word from NewTek:
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>They were contimplating releasing LW 3 as a upgrade option in the middle
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>with the complete upgrade for 3.0.  It is slated for delivery around
>April 15th or so...
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wow, so there are going to be upgrades for all parts of the Toaster!!  That
will make it worth the wait for me.  I'm sure others will raise hell about
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> > So what's the latest on availablity of LW 3?

You know, I can't believe that the latest issue of Computer Graphics World
has been out for several weeks now and no one has posted a word about the
write-up on LW 3. It was more revealing than I expected. Maybe nobody
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>>I recently installed 2.1 in my 2000 and now my toaster won't
>>initialize.  I get a "Cannot open Toaster Window" info requester and
>>nothing else.  Maybe I'm missing a monitor type or something...
>>I'm new to 2.x as well as I was running 1.3 up until two weeks ago.
>>Any guesses?  Thanks.
>
>Thanks for all the responses.  I'm running Toaster 2.0 with AmigaDOS 2.1
>and I think I copied the switcher font to the fonts directory but may
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Ok. False alarm.  I ran snoopdos in another window and found out that
the Requester font was missing from the fonts: directory.  I wish
the switcher program had been more informative and told me this.
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Hey all,

As Mark Thompson noted a little while ago, the January 1993 issue of
Computer Graphics World has an article on 3D graphics on television.

It has a some great shots from Ron Thorton's graphics for Babylon 5.

It also tells about some of the nicer features of LW Pro coming out
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>You know, I can't believe that the latest issue of Computer Graphics World
>has been out for several weeks now and no one has posted a word about the
>write-up on LW 3. It was more revealing than I expected. Maybe nobody
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  Seems Mark Swain and Ron Thorton have been pushing the limits of what they
thought was even possible to do in the computer, and the results should be very
spectacular. I would especially like to see the scene where 150 of the space
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  It also said in the article that the new version of lightwave will be
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On 21 Jan 1993 15:15:54, Mark Thompson exclaimed:
>You know, I can't believe that the latest issue of Computer Graphics World
>has been out for several weeks now and no one has posted a word about the

Oh, I read it alright... however I've been picking my jaw off the floor
ever since reading the specs.  Not to mention blotting copious amounts of
slobber off the front cover Babylon 5 rendering!   8^Q   Kidding! Really!!

But seriously, any word on when NewTek will release the LightWave Pro
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certainly hope it will include Rundgren's Theology.  The B5 clips are a
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Hey all,

Over the past week there has been a such a great response about the
particle animation software that I have created for Lightwave2.0 that
I am going to be cleaning up the code over the next week and I am
having someone else create a GUI interface for it.

I plan on releasing it sometime in the next week or so.  I am going to
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I will post a message when it is released to inform everyone of its location.

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For those of us who haven't seen or heard anything about LW3, can someone
post a summary of the relevant stuff?

I'm considering selling my Toaster (gasp!), but if 3 is really going to
be yet another "revolution" (and I'm not denying that 1 and 2 were), I'll
stick around a while longer.

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[For those curious about why I'm ready to sell this marvel, I'll explain:
The CG still sucks.  TPaint is still unusable (and I like DigiPaint).
ChromaFX is marginally useful.  The switcher is cool, but I'm never using
the Toaster live and even though I have a dual TBC I'm not really doing
A/B roll, I usually end up assemble editing.  LW is cool, but I can't
record animations from it without buying yet more expensive equipment.
I could do a reasonable imitation of the Toaster with a DCTV, the DCTV
RGB adapter, a dececnt genlock, and Imagine/Aladain/Caligari for about
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> > Bad ADVICE?  How do you figure?  I dont recall seeing any advice from you.
> > At least I am attempting to find a SOLUTION to the problem, not describing
> > the problem in more detail.
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>
> Having run the Toaster under 2.04 for ages, I just resently installed 2.1.
> Immediately afterwards I started to see the wavey video in the program and
> preview monitors that I described before.  This seemed to be extremely similar
> to what I had read in a couple other posts on this list. 2.1 and wavey out
> put from the Toaster.
> Reinstalling the software is not going to fix a conflict between the toaster
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> there is not a conflict and that it is only coincidence that 3 people having
> wavey toaster output also have recently installed 2.1.

Does it Do it all the time or only once in a while?

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> how does one make particles?  I thought about this when I saw the RANDOM
> STAR object that came with LW.  How did they get that done in such a
> perfect sphere?

You make a particle by creating a point in Modeler and hitting "p" while
that single point is selected. Once you have that particle, you can
clone or multiply it in any fashion you choose. The sphere of particles
in LW was created with EGG, an OLD modeling tool that came with Videoscape.
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The problem we had with our toaster after installing the 2.1 Amigados upgrade
has been fixed.  As you recall our problem was video that appeared to lose sync
on both the program and preview monitors.  Apparently a common problem is that
when you remove your power supply to install the ROM chip a copper RF clip
located on the inside side of the toaster board near the front comes loose and
comes in contact with the board.  This of course shorts out many functions.  We
had to remove the toaster board and clip the copper RF clip back onto the top
of the aluminum hunk of junk that sits over your toaster board.  If you have
problems like this check the aluminum hunk of junk and make sure it is not
touching the outside contacts on your board and that the copper clip is
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Well after going through a series of trial-and-error formatting, installing
and reinstalling AmigaDOS 2.1 and Toaster 2.0, I've discovered that the
Toaster has trouble when using the "international mode" of formatting
hard disk partitions.  Originally, I thought that by just restoring the
switcher and requester fonts fixed everything.  Then when I got into
lightwave, I started receiving some system alerts.  I then called Newtek
and got the "reinstall your software" advice.  Well, the Toaster installer
utility didn't see any of my partitions as valid destinations even though
I had 89 MB free.  After trying many different scenarios, I finally got

the installer to see my hard drives AFTER I reformatted them with international
mode off.  I haven't seen alert yet so I hope everythings ok.  Anyway, those
of you who recently upgraded to 2.1 may want to be sure you do so without
international mode.  One more thing, I received a Toaster 2.0 upgrade disk
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Well after going through a series of trial-and-error formatting,
installing and reinstalling AmigaDOS 2.1 and Toaster 2.0, I've
discovered that the Toaster has trouble when using the "international
mode" formatted hard disk partitions.

Originally, I thought that by just restoring the switcher and
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installer utility didn't see any of my partitions as valid destinations
even though I had 89 MB free.  After trying various scenarios, I finally
got the installer to see my hard drives AFTER I reformatted them with
internation mode off.  I haven't seen an alert yet, so I hope
everythings ok.

Anyway,  those of you which recently upgraded to 2.1 and formatted
your partitions with this mode, this may be your problem.

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got one from my dealer to fix the "sparkling" problems with frame-
stores.  This only affects certain configurations with 68040s and
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  NewTek Video Toaster System 2.0 Software Update Disk July, 1992

This disk will update your Video Toaster 2.0 software.  It contains
modifications of the Video Toaster software which fix problems related to
specific hardware configurations.  NewTek Inc. recommends this software
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update if you have been experiencing one or more of the following problems:

  1)  Certain hard disk controllers and controller/disk combinations cause
      horizontal lines to appear in some saved framestores.
  2)  Certain RAM cards, when used in unaccelerated systems cause vertical
      lines to be introduced into still frames during motion removal.
  3)  Monochrome output from CG exhibits tearing on machines with later
      revision Denise chips.
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  6)  Frame saves are delayed on unaccelerated machines.

LhA Evaluation V1.38 - Copyright (c) 1991,92 Stefan Boberg.
All rights reserved. Not for commercial use.

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  149936   49255 67.1% 16-May-92 12:39:36  CG
  360940  143932 60.1% 03-Mar-92 14:36:16  LightWave
  348432  136662 60.7% 03-Mar-92 14:36:16  LightWave.FP
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saved as GIF and TIF files.  Using my 386 Bridgeboard, I converted them
to AMIGA format.  Using ADPro I then loaded them and subsequently saved
them as IFF files, with the ultimate goal being to load them into
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I am looking for documentation of various image file formats.
I came up with so many different forms of image files that I
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I have doc of RLE, but I want to know of TIFF, GIF etc.

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I Posted a long msg in comp.sys.amiga.marketplace, but in case some of you
dont get that, I have a Tower A2000 w/FlickerFreeVideo I and 80 MEG HD
For sale.  I also have a GVP 030 40Mhz, w/8meg..  both of these items are
BEST OFFER, if interested let me know, the Tower works great with the toaster
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:Well after going through a series of trial-and-error formatting,
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Anyone out there have experience with the Toaster Oven?  I'm looking into
adding an 040 to my Toaster equipped 3000 (with a 200W power supply
already) as well as put the drives in an external case in one central unit
while also providing bays for future storage.  I understand the Toaster Oven
also provides more slots somehow.  I know that installing current 040 boards
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I recently started using Rend24 V1.05 by Thomas Krehbiel which by the way
is an excellent tool to convert your LW renderings to a playable Amiga
format, compiling each frame to an anim file as it is rendered.  I was
rendering an animation and tried using the Amiga M key used for moving
through screens. I was able to go to the Workbench where Rend24 was open
and was also able to open other programs.  The only interuption on the
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rendering  a large project.  I guess Rend24 being linked to LW is
responsible for this ability to multitask with LW.  I have 9 megs of ram
in my system allowing me to run other programs with LW.  Anyone with Rend24
tried this before?  Any other ways to multitask with LW that you know of?
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Has anyone attempted to use Aegis/Oxxi's ProMotion with Lightwave?  In
case you've forgotten, it was the dynamics package for use with
VideoScape 3D.

It allowed for the simulation of gravity, wind, magnetism, etc.  I
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>[e-mail] (Alf Cook)

>I recently started using Rend24 V1.05 by Thomas Krehbiel which by the way
>is an excellent tool to convert your LW renderings to a playable Amiga
>format, compiling each frame to an anim file as it is rendered.  I was
>rendering an animation and tried using the Amiga M key used for moving
>through screens. I was able to go to the Workbench where Rend24 was open
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>free up the rest of the Amiga to do other jobs?

 Actually, it has nothing to do with Rend24 specifically. Any program left
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accessable. From within Toaster modules such as LightWave and ToasterPaint,
a simple Amiga-m will take you back. From the Switcher, hitting Ctrl twice
followed Left-Alt twice will take you back to the Workbench where you can
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Videoscape and Lightwave share the same objects.  I think they also
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>Has anyone attempted to use Aegis/Oxxi's ProMotion with Lightwave?  In
>case you've forgotten, it was the dynamics package for use with
>VideoScape 3D.
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>It allowed for the simulation of gravity, wind, magnetism, etc.  I
>never really used it, but it only cost about $90 several years ago.
>Could make for some cool effects...
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would this work with Lightwave directly or would you import LW objects into
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Are utilities made for VideoScape compatible with LW objects?
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    I downloaded the file Sparks.lzh that was mentioned here.  Anyone
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| how does one make particles?  I thought about this when I saw the RANDOM
| STAR object that came with LW.  How did they get that done in such a
| perfect sphere?

Particles are easy -- just make single point polygons.  Randomly distributing
them around a sphere is harder.  You can still do it the old way, that is
with a custom program that writes a Videoscape text format object file.  If
there is interest, I could describe this very simple format.

Cloning will work to some extent.  Make a point at [1,0,0], make it a single
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point polygon and start making clones.  Do several cloning passes using
different randomly chosen rotation values for X Y and Z.  You might do
this several times and combine the results to prevent too much coherence
in the patterens.

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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> > > So what's the latest on availablity of LW 3?
>
> You know, I can't believe that the latest issue of Computer Graphics World
> has been out for several weeks now and no one has posted a word about the
> write-up on LW 3. It was more revealing than I expected. Maybe nobody
> read it.

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While it did have a large image of Babylon 5 on the cover of the
issue, the article talked about IBM's, Mac's and SGI's initially.
The last page and 1/2 was devoted to the Amiga, Babylon 5 and Sea
Quest.  I liked the little box of features in the new lightwave and
I'm looking forward to "bones".   Isn't that the same name that
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> For those of us who haven't seen or heard anything about LW3, can someone
> post a summary of the relevant stuff?
>
> I'm considering selling my Toaster (gasp!), but if 3 is really going to
> be yet another "revolution" (and I'm not denying that 1 and 2 were), I'll
> stick around a while longer.
>
> - Andrew
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I would stick around a while if I were you..here are the features
listed in Computer Graphics World:

o Specialized anti-aliasing to reduce flicker.  As Lightwave renders
  it looks for problem areas and corrects them.

o Motion blur.

o Depth of field.
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o Lens flare.

o Faster rendering times.  By as much as 5 times.

o Splines.

o Booleans

o Bones.  Newtek's version of freeform deformations, bones are
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  or touching.  When you move a bone, the model moves with it.  You
  could put a bone inside a picture and twist the picture by twisting
  the bone.  The bigger the bones are or closer they are, the more
  influence they have on a model.

-- Bob

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>           Well, I don't know about 2.1, but I just got it and I'm
>           going to install it tonight!  I may be in the same boat as
>           you come morning.  I might add that sometimes under 2.04 my
>           Toaster would not initialize when I had a VTR connected.  I
>           thought it might be my TBC, but Newtek said that there was a
>           small adjustment know on the right side of the board that
>           might need to be turned slightly.  As this problem does not
>           occur ever time, I decided to wait on messing with it.  When
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>           it gets bad enough I might be able to forget about how much
>           money I tied up in it and atempt a repair. :-)
>
>           Brian

Well, I just installed my Toaster in a brandy new A3000 25mhz that I
purchased used from someone off the net.  Yeah, I hacked the case.  I
felt it was a better way to go than the 2000 I previously had it in.
I have a 2630 in the 2000 and I didn't like the idea of having to
purchase the DKB memory card to add more 32bit mem so I opted for the
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3000 and I will just start adding Static Column Zips.  Anyway, I also
purchased the 2.04 ROM and 2.1 System Software.  I installed all this
into the 3000 on a Conner 120 meg drive and I have my SyQuest 88meg
removable hooked up as well.  The installation of the Toaster was
simple enough..yes, I used a hacksaw.

So, the Toaster does work in the 3000 with 2.1 but I do occaisionally
get a "Toaster not responding" or "unable to calibrate for frame
grab" message which I never got on the 2000.  Anybody know the
official scoop on this?
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I'm also almost done with my latest Lightwave 3D animation for
General Public Utilities here in NJ.  I'm looking forward to my next
project!

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> Hi.  I need some help.  here's the scenario... I have several images
> saved as GIF and TIF files.  Using my 386 Bridgeboard, I converted them
> to AMIGA format.  Using ADPro I then loaded them and subsequently saved
> them as IFF files, with the ultimate goal being to load them into
> lightwave as 3D objects for use in a project I'm working on.  When I
> went to load the object into LW, the file requester asked for the
> format, and then locked up on each attempt with the different formats.
> What am I doing wrong?  I have Pixel3D if I need to use it.  Is there a
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> appreciated. Thanks.
> Alan.
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Well, it sounds to me like you are trying to load a 2D IFF image file
into Lightwave as a 3D object.  You can't just load in image files
and expect them to become 3D objects.

If you have Pixel 3D you should use that to read in the 2D IFF image

file and convert it to a 3D object.  In Pixel 3D (now Pixel 3D Pro)
you can read in such images (called bitmaps) and create beveled,
extruded, twisted and just about any other thing you can imagine,
objects.  Once you do this in Pixel 3D, you can then save the
resulting object out to disk in Lightwave 3D format.

Once the conversion is complete you will be able to load the
resulting objects into Lightwave for rendering.

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> I recently started using Rend24 V1.05 by Thomas Krehbiel which by the way
> is an excellent tool to convert your LW renderings to a playable Amiga
> format, compiling each frame to an anim file as it is rendered.  I was
> rendering an animation and tried using the Amiga M key used for moving
> through screens. I was able to go to the Workbench where Rend24 was open
> and was also able to open other programs.  The only interuption on the
> monitor was when LW rendered a segment to the composite output.  During Hi
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> system, I find I can use other programs quite effectively while LW is
> rendering  a large project.  I guess Rend24 being linked to LW is
> responsible for this ability to multitask with LW.  I have 9 megs of ram
> in my system allowing me to run other programs with LW.  Anyone with Rend24
> tried this before?  Any other ways to multitask with LW that you know of?
> If Thomas Krehbiel can do it with Rend24 why can't NewTek design a way to
> free up the rest of the Amiga to do other jobs?
>

Being able to multitask other programs with the Toaster and Lightwave
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that I am aware of.

I run several programs behind my Toaster stuff all the time and have
never had a problem with them.  In the switcher you can switch back
to the workbench by typing control,control,alt,alt.  You can get back
to the switcher by typing the same thing.  Once you are on the
workbench you can run programs as usual unless you are short of ram.

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>
> OK, maybe I'm confused:  If you use LW as a CG, are you able to key
> the titles over the video?
>
> - Andrew
Yes you just have to do it manually in the switcher with the frame you
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I've got Sparks to work just fine... it's really NEAT!

To avoid the long motion blur lines as the particles return to their origin,
I used macro in a text editor to change all the endbehavior parameters to
1 so they wouldn't loop.  I rendered it as a 60 frame animation and
converted it to DCTV where it looks great!

Very convincing motion... I can hardly wait for the actual program!!

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>So, the Toaster does work in the 3000 with 2.1 but I do occaisionally
>get a "Toaster not responding" or "unable to calibrate for frame
>grab" message which I never got on the 2000.  Anybody know the
>official scoop on this?

>-- Bob

 I would get this problem due to clearance considerations -- when slipping
the case back on, it would sometimes press down on the board somewhat,
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the 3000 & cutting off the copper fingers gizmo.

Also, as they say, some screenblankers and other things running will futz
with the Toaster.  I had to abandon BlackBorder, unfortunately.

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>I would stick around a while if I were you..here are the features
>listed in Computer Graphics World:

>o Specialized anti-aliasing to reduce flicker.  As Lightwave renders
>  it looks for problem areas and corrects them.

I'ver been told we'll never have to use Hi-Res again, the anitaliasing will
look so good & be so much faster.

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>-- Bob
The other major enhancement revealed at a recent LA TUG meeting is called
something akin to 'split field' rendering, but that's not quite right;
anyway, as I understand it, it will render half of one frame's scanlines and
half of those of the next frame -- looks like hell on the monitor, but is
as smooth as silk when it goes out to tape, apparently.  Much of David
Hopkin's Taming The Wave tutorial tape is rendered with 3.0, and I must
say the animations look quite good, although it's VHS format & the quality
difference likely isn't all that obvious.  And, it seems that most every
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LightWave function will now be controlled from the Layout menu; no more
switching out to the menus.

Once the 'secrecy' was breeched by another 3D specialist there,
David got really worked up enthusing over LW 3.0 -- I, too, would stick around.

Good tapes, by the way.

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:With Modeler 3.0, BTW, you would write an ARexx script to generate points
:randomly on a sphere.  There will probably be one included to do just this.
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Ahhh, so Modeler 3.0 has AREXX...  you know more and more features are comming
out one by one, I bet they have all been said SOMEWHERE, and since it seems
like LW 3.0 is finished, just waiting on that switcher thing, why dont the
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people in the know, post a message telling us all the new features..  or
maybe someone who isn't in the know could post a rumors list of new features
If we have to wait till april this is the least we deserve.



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Hi everyone,
    I remember reading a few days back a message about someone up-
loading either partical animation program or demo that can be used
with lightwave.  What was that, and where can I get it???


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Bob Lindabury writes:
>  liked the little box of features in the new lightwave and
> I'm looking forward to "bones".   Isn't that the same name that
> Imagine is using.

The name is the same, but from what I could tell from Impulse's description,
the functionality is quit different.

> I'm really looking forward to free-form deformations in the stage
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> I run several programs behind my Toaster stuff all the time and have
> never had a problem with them.  In the switcher you can switch back
> to the workbench by typing control,control,alt,alt.

Although it could be configuration sensitive, there is a bug in the 2.0
software that can cause the system to crash when loading a scene in
LightWave after going back and forth to the workbench via the switcher.
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Bob
Thanks for the info but I did know about the cnt. cnt. alt. alt. key
sequence to get from the switcher to the workbench since before owning
my own Toaster and reading the manual.  Since this is the LW mailing list,
my questions were directed here to see if there was a way in which to exit
LW while rendering an animation.  As far as I can determine, you have to
quit rendering by using the Esc key just to get back to the switcher.  I
have since learned by another message that if you have another program
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screen in LW back to the WB.  This explains why Rend 24 works since it has
its window on the WB window.  Same applies to opening a CLI window. Just
having another program running with its own window allows you to get there
[Afrom LW but not to the WB. You have to have a task running on the WB.
Disk windows or HD partition windows don't do the trick either. I hope
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        Sorry for the confusion, on the Sparks scene.  You might
double check the Readme file that you uploaded (not the one in the
archive) to see if it has anything in it.
        Sparks works fine.  I had just assumed that you were sending
a scene animation that was compressed into a lower resolution and
lower pallete.  I assumed this, because of the directory that
you uploaded to on wuarchive.  I tried to read it as a picture
and found there were no data tables for IFF.  Silly me, after
I read the readme file that was un-LZH'ed I understood.
        Sparks.LZH is interesting.  I am trying to complete the

render using REND24.  I am converting it down into a 16 color IFF
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        Your interest appreciated!

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yea i just bought this monstor of an accelerator.. its a gvp g-force 040/33mhz
but i cant get my toaster to run?  I have called Newtek and they told me it
was the 040 board.  He said his boss has one and it took him some time to
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Steve
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> > I'm really looking forward to free-form deformations in the stage
> > editor.
>
> You mean Layout, right? Or have you been playing around with Imagine again?
> Shame, shame :-)

Err..a throwback to days long gone. <grin>  I was so immersed in
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Of course I meant the Scene Layout..ha!

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> >I would stick around a while if I were you..here are the features
> >listed in Computer Graphics World:
>
> >o Specialized anti-aliasing to reduce flicker.  As Lightwave renders
> >  it looks for problem areas and corrects them.
>
> I'ver been told we'll never have to use Hi-Res again, the anitaliasing will
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I could have used this featuer in my last project.  It has a portion
of the objects come to rest before the last objects stop moving and
it requires antialiasing so I had 2 choices.  One choice was to
render all the frames (about 100) after this one object stops moving
in "high-res" or to render the frame where this object stops in
high-res and then use it as a backdrop for the last 100 frames until
I render the very last frame in high-res.  Option 2 is the quicker
rendering option.

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> Bob
> Thanks for the info but I did know about the cnt. cnt. alt. alt. key
> sequence to get from the switcher to the workbench since before owning
> my own Toaster and reading the manual.  Since this is the LW mailing list,
> my questions were directed here to see if there was a way in which to exit
> LW while rendering an animation.  As far as I can determine, you have to
> quit rendering by using the Esc key just to get back to the switcher.  I
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> window open on the WB you can use the Amiga m key to get from the rendering
> screen in LW back to the WB.  This explains why Rend 24 works since it has
> its window on the WB window.  Same applies to opening a CLI window. Just
> having another program running with its own window allows you to get there
> [Afrom LW but not to the WB. You have to have a task running on the WB.
> Disk windows or HD partition windows don't do the trick either. I hope
> this does more to clarify what I was attempting to convey.

I just use left-alt-m.  I think the render screen does pop to the
front when Lightwave sends the rendered section to the Toaster's
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rendering in Lightwave as I have a 2500 and a 3000.  I just moved my
Toaster to the 3000 so I use the 2500 for most other stuff while I'm
rendering on the 3000 now.   Most of the time somethings like clock,
diskmaster, Amidock, a shell, popupmenu, arexx, powersnap and
FrameStoreCompressor are running when I'm rendering but they don't
really exhibit any problems that I can see.  The FrameStoreCompressor
program does slow render times down a bit but I can fit around 150
framestores on an 88meg cart instead of the the typical 90 when it's
active so I live with it or I render a batch of frames and then
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ORIGINALLY FROM: [e-mail] (Karl J. Vesterling)
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stuart H. Ferguson) writes:
>+--- [e-mail] (Gavin Bell) writes:
>| In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Keith Baccki) writes:
>| >[...]       The primary focus should be on PROCESSING POWER [...]
>|  [...] The human time and expertise needed to model and animate
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        Stuart, you and should refer back to rule #1, which you
seem to have worded correctly, but missed entirely.

        An animation artist works best when they can preview their
animations before rendering them.  Now, if you had that sort of
environment to work in, you WOUDN'T NEED a whole plethora of people
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        One animator could do the animation, know that that's exaclty
what he wants, then render without error.  At that point the frames
are taken off of the SGI and layed off to tape.  While they are being
layed off to tape the animator can go and do another animation.

        Furthermore if your rebuttal is going to be, "Yeah, but the
Amiga can also lay them off to tape in real time!"  You're going to be
wrong once again.  The Amiga plays a maximum of 24fps which have to be
loaded into RAM.  If you're not doing frame acurate work, chances are
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again.

        So, it all boils down to this!

        WHAT IS YOUR MARKET?

        Are you making commercials for Nike, and Pepsi??  It's not an
Amiga...

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        Are you making a Fortune 100 training video?  An Amiga with a
video toaster might be the right thing for you.  However, DON'T FORGET
ABOUT DIGITAL FILM!!!  I can produce a video in that faster than any
ammount of Amiga's.

        Then there is the Film Market.  Well, your Amiga just isn't an
option here.  What film recorders interface to an Amiga?  And how long
is it going to take an amiga to render a 64MB Frame???  Carefull!
Flaws in this come out to look REALLY REALLY bad...

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        In short, with SuperMac's Digital Film shipping, I think the
only use for the Video Toaster will be for Local TV-News Studios as a
nice video switcher.  End of story.

        With SuperMac's Digital Film, 3:30:29 (SMPTE) @30fps w/ CD
Audio takes only 191MB of disk space, and plays in real time.

        So we all have our own needs, each is a different animal.  I
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        o SGI Indigo w/ Vertigo, Wavefront, & Alias
        o Macintosh Digital Film
        o Amiga Video Juicer ;-)

        Personally I find the Amiga to fail in the following:

        o Render Quality
        o Previewing Animations Prior to Render. (Not Available)

        The Mac fails in these categories:
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        o Compression, (SOMETIMES) effects video quality if you know
          what to look for.
        o You can't do live effects. (Big deal, unless you're doing a
          LIVE show.)

        However the Mac has it in this aspect.

        o You do all of your editing in a Random Access fashion.  It's
          Non-Linear editing.  It's a far more productive environment.
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        The SGI has it in this aspect.

        o Animators ease of use.  Preview the Animation, does it look
          okay?  Yes?  Start render, and go eat lunch.  We'll send it
          to the Mac for layoff to tape @ 30fps after lunch.


        So stop the holy war fellahs, because it seems most of this
heat is stemming from the fact that you're all in different Markets.
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>        In short, with SuperMac's Digital Film shipping, I think the
>only use for the Video Toaster will be for Local TV-News Studios as a
>nice video switcher.  End of story.
>
>        With SuperMac's Digital Film, 3:30:29 (SMPTE) @30fps w/ CD
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interesting product but it also sounds like it is totally different than
the Toaster, why the comparison?  Sounds like apples and oranges to me.
The Toaster is not meant to be a real-time animation player.


>        So stop the holy war fellahs, because it seems most of this
>heat is stemming from the fact that you're all in different Markets.
>

much agreed, I use my Amiga/Toaster for very specific reasons, just like
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JOSHUA TSUI
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I have an archive of all postings to this mailing list.  The current
file of postings comes in at around 1.3 megs of data.  None of it has
been broken down into chapters or timeframes and indexed.  I am working
on a way to make it available to all of you out there via a mail-based
file server.

There have been many requests for the archives in the last few weeks and
our little mailing list has grown considerably in the past 2 months.  We
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What I would like to ask is if anyone out there has the time and
interest in taking the entire archive, breaking it into parts, weeding
out the unimportant items and then indexing or cataloging interesting
articles so that we can make this available to everyone.

I currently don't have the time to do this.  I can continue to archive
the articles as I am doing but it would be nice to have someone take on
the chore of organizing the archives.

If you are interested, please just reply to this message and let me know
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you are interested and what your plan of action would be and I will see
if I can get these back articles setup for distribution on some FTP
sites and via a file-server.

Thanks for your time.


The following is a listing of the current members.  I do have about 20
more requests for subscriptions waiting to be processed but I wanted to
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I've tried to get into Bobsbox for anonymous FTP but my IP can't find
you?!?! It's a lot easier doing it this way than using the server, so
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>Hello All,
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>    Has anyone used the program "REND24i".  I've tried several
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>    As for playing the animations I had hoped to simply load it
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thats strange, works fine with my machine.  What version do you have? the
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Hello All,

    Has anyone used the program "REND24i".  I've tried several
times and am not able to view the finished animation, also I will
often have trouble getting it to "READ" the source files.

    As for playing the animations I had hoped to simply load it
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Hi,
    I remember someone saying that they had developed a partical
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Hey Again,

I have uploaded a demo scene from the particle animation software
that I have been working on.  It is an example of launched
particles with bounce.

Where?   FTP site:   wuarchive.wustl.edu

         DIR:  systems/amiga/incoming/gfx

         NAME: Sparks.lzh

Later,
Jason Linhart

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> Ahhh, so Modeler 3.0 has AREXX.. you know more and more features are comming
> out one by one, I bet they have all been said SOMEWHERE, and since it seems
> like LW 3.0 is finished, just waiting on that switcher thing, why dont the
> people in the know, post a message telling us all the new features.

I browse several of the major 3D BBSs, the 3D mailing lists, the usenet
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> out one by one, I bet they have all been said SOMEWHERE, and since it seems
> like LW 3.0 is finished, just waiting on that switcher thing, why dont the
> people in the know, post a message telling us all the new features.

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        Shareware 3D Fonts by David Tiberio


BRIEF DESCRIPTION

        These fonts are available in various formats for Amiga 3D modeling
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        Each font set is available for $25 + shipping and handling. The
first set of fonts is now available in a three disk set, including 5
different fonts. Most fonts are in lowercase, uppercase, and numerals.
Some also contain punctuation, and are available in numerous point densities.
Some fonts are also bevelled. Current pricing is only offered for a limited
time, and available fonts are subject to change without notice as improvements
and changes are made often. Introductory offer expires March 31st 1995,
so act now!

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        These shareware fonts are a continuous effort started about one year
ago due to the lack of 3D fonts available for modeling, although this has
been changing over the past year with numerous commercial sets. Fonts may have
any of the following features:


    LOW DENSITY: each object averaging around 50 points
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    MEDIUM DENSITY: each object averaging around 90 points

    HIGH DENSITY: each object averaging over 110 points

        *higher densities available upon request


    Imagine TDDD triangle format

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        *other formats available upon request


    Uppercase, Lowercase, Numerals, Special Characters
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    Some fonts available in bevelled styles.

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Since there have been so many administrative posts of late and because
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I do have a question.  While attending a Stranahan Lightwave Seminar
I heard about a technique for easing objects in and out of positions
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We have an Amiga 2500 with Toaster and 7 megs at my college.  Try as we
will, we cannot render successfully from lightwave.  Newtek had us re-install
the software twice.  The Toaster works great.  Framestores are fine.  Dpaint
works fine. Even games work. PPage works. But when I try to render the apple,
I get a large section in the middle still in wireframe. I can't even do the
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        Address:        6 Lodge Lane
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        Telephone:      [phone] VOICE
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different fonts. Most fonts are in lowercase, uppercase, and numerals.
Some also contain punctuation, and are available in numerous point densities.
Some fonts are also bevelled. Current pricing is only offered for a limited
time, and available fonts are subject to change without notice as improvements
and changes are made often. Introductory offer expires March 31st 1995,
so act now!

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MINI-REVIEW

        These shareware fonts are a continuous effort started about one year
ago due to the lack of 3D fonts available for modeling, although this has
been changing over the past year with numerous commercial sets. Fonts may have
any of the following features:


    LOW DENSITY: each object averaging around 50 points
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    MEDIUM DENSITY: each object averaging around 90 points

    HIGH DENSITY: each object averaging over 110 points

        *higher densities available upon request


    Imagine TDDD triangle format

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    Lightwave 3D LWOB polygon format

        *other formats available upon request


    Uppercase, Lowercase, Numerals, Special Characters
    (all fonts available in Uppercase)

    Some fonts available in bevelled styles.

Command:


        Demo pictures of these fonts are also available on public access BBS's
and ftp sites. Pictures are in either IFF16, HAM6, or JPEG format. These are
freely distributable pictures and you may upload them wherever you please. They
may also be found on the xamiga support BBS, at [phone].




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Need info on IVS' Moviemaker, hard disk animation software.
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Hey Again,

I have uploaded a sample picture from the particle software MOVEMENT

    Site:   Wuarchive.wustl.edu

    Path:   systems/amiga/incoming/gfx

    File:   fountain.lzh

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I haven't had much time to clean up the software for release, too many Toaster
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But I promise, I really promise that as soon as it is finished,I will uploaded
it to wuarchive and announce it here.  Thanks for your patience.

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Could someone render an animation with Sparks.lzh and upload that?
Those of us who get this list because we WISH we had Toasters
would like to see this animation.

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   I'm interested in creating "streamlines" around a Lightwave object. What
I'm after is simulating flow visualization. The streamlines don't have to
be accurate to fifteen decimal places since the engineers here can already
get that stuff from the Cray (but it doesn't look nearly as nice as a
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   Does anyone have a relatively easy method for creating these? What I'm
after is a relatively thin line of finite length that would "flow" around
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Toaster manual that covers this, just point it out.
   I've had some success with doing this in DPIV and overlaying it on a
rendered frame, but I'd like to be able to take advantage of all three
dimensions: move the camera around the object while the streamlines flow
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>   I'm interested in creating "streamlines" around a Lightwave object. What
>I'm after is simulating flow visualization. The streamlines don't have to
>be accurate to fifteen decimal places since the engineers here can already
>get that stuff from the Cray (but it doesn't look nearly as nice as a
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>   Does anyone have a relatively easy method for creating these? What I'm
>after is a relatively thin line of finite length that would "flow" around
>or past an object. If there's something in the Lightwave portion of the
>Toaster manual that covers this, just point it out.
>   I've had some success with doing this in DPIV and overlaying it on a
>rendered frame, but I'd like to be able to take advantage of all three
>dimensions: move the camera around the object while the streamlines flow
>by.
>   Thanks for any help.
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    Well i haven't actually done this.  Also, i don't even use a
toaster! (i use imagine....much cheaper! $$ :) ).  Anyhow, Here's what I
would think would have ot be done in either case.

    Basically, this is just a morphing problem.  I would say, create
the flat thin stream and the object.  Then move the stream closer to the
object until it is at the point where it would have to bend.  Then, bend
it as would need to and save this new stream as stream2.lwob.  Do the
same as many times as you need for general areas of the object.
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    Then, all you should have to do is to place you obj1 at pt 1,
and then morph it to obj2 at pt 2, and so, and the resulting anim should
look like a stream moving toward the object and bending as it goes
around.\

    If you think about it, this is pretty much the same as doing a
drawing in 2D...just you have to make less frames, and it's 3D.

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>    Because of the 2-D nature of Dpaint, this is an easy addition
>to any animation sequence.  But in Lightwave 3D....
>    I have been experimenting with some ideas.  Object morphing somehow
>doesn't look the same.  To get the flow effect requires loading
>several copies of the same object.  Which is then object dissolved it and
>out.
>    This method creates a large overhead (a group of objects
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Here's a semi-related technique I used:

I had an animated texture-map on a 3D slab of a guy singing and noticing
something heading his way and ducking.  The final animation is supposed to
have a shooting star whiz by his head as he ducks.  Also, as the star
whizzes by the momentum is supposed to rock the slab a bit.

I put all the elements together in LW except for the shooting star.
Instead of the star I just had a simple polygon with the correct movement
whiz by.

Rendered this out (it was around 120 frames) into DCTV format (needed
real-time playback).

I made a shooting star animation in DPaint4 and saved the frames as
seperate brushes.  The reason for making an animation instead of a single
brush is because I wanted some fiery flares.

In DCTV I brought in the frames where the shooting star is going by and
load in the brushes and paste on top of where the polygon representing the
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the rest of the animation.

I usually like it when people combine 3D animation with 2D animations.

Hope I didn't get too off the subject.

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I'd add to that previous object morphing suggestions the idea that if you
animated a procedural texture map across the object it would give the streams
the kind of rippling motion you might expect in a wind tunnel.

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>     In my earlier days of using Dpaint, I started using "sparkles"
> to enhance the look of logos.
>     Any ideas on how to duplicate this visual wonder in Lightwave 3D?

Transparency mapping with image sequences on a small polygon. Simply
create a sequence of pulsing sparkle brushes with names like sparke001,
sparke002, sparke003... and load them into LW as an image sequence
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> I heard about a technique for easing objects in and out of positions
> by manipulating key frames.

There are two ways to do it. One is by using the spline settings for your
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The second method is more tedious but allows greater control over the
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Anybody know anything about this new software package from INNOVISION?
Apparently its used for image-processing and other cool things for the
Toaster.  Glad to see some third party support.

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And Babylon 5 is airing nowhere near Lansing, Michigan!  Aargh.

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    It's here!!!!!!!!!! :)

    According to my local TV guide, Babylon 5 will be airing
__THIS__ Saturday at 8:00pm here in cleveland on channel 43.

    (note: i posted this to lightwave and imagine mailing list as i
assumed people in both would be interested.   Sorry for the inconvience
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1993 [e-mail] wrote:

> And Babylon 5 is airing nowhere near Lansing, Michigan!  Aargh.
>
> Dan

So any one know when Babylon 5 is airing in the Seattle, Washington area?

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Karl Frederick writes:
>         The lens flaring used in B5 was very unique!  Did someone explain
> this feature as being done with a group of objects?

Babyon 5 used techniques that are not currently available to LightWave users.
However, a variety of lens effects can be simulated with the current LW.
I'll probably have an article on this in an upcoming issue of Video Toaster
User. The methods are similar to that used to create sparkles, ie transparecy
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>         It must be something I've overlooked in the manual, but
> I am having trouble getting a light source pointed at the camera, to
> wash out the scene.

It won't. Rendering programs don't behave like the real world and lights
in 3D programs exhibit very few similarities to real lights. Special tricks
must be played to make rendering programs look more like the real world.
Emulating lens flares is one of those tricks.

>  I am trying to emulate the effect of a flash-bulb
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> into the camera.

Create a greymap (8bit preferably) that is a radial gradient from white in
the center to black on its circular boundary. Use this as a transparency
map (use automatic sizing in the texture menu) on a four sided polygon.
You will have to make sure that you set the "negative" button appropriately
for the texture such that the center is the least transparent and the edges
are totally transparent. If I recall correctly, negative should be enabled.
Make this polygon whatever color you want you flash to be and luminous.
Then use a combination of object fade and size/stretch to make the flash
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> Also, I must thank the two postings on my question on sparklies.
> Much appreciation to Mark Thompson.  Still decyphering the
> procedure listed in you responce, but persistence will prevail.  Once
> again, Mark, I read your postings like the bible of Lightwave!

Glad to help. If there is any confusion that you can't manage to decypher,
ask about specific details and I'll try and answer them.
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There is a new BABYLON 5 newsgroup on the net.  There is a great FAQ about
B5 that'll answer everything.

Here in Chicago it will air on March1 on channel 50.  If I'm wrong please
correct me.

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>     It's here!!!!!!!!!! :)

It aired in the Boston/southern New Hampshire area last night. For those
of you who haven't seen it (or did and have a good memory), Ron Thorton
makes a cameo appearance in the film. He is a scruffy looking character
with a pee cap seated at a table with a few others in a longe. He is on
screen for 1-2 seconds. He later appears on a computer screen that is
showing a shape shifter "morphing" from one face to another. Ron is the
first face in the sequence. For those who don't know, Ron Thorton heads up
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> Anybody know anything about this new software package from INNOVISION?
> Apparently its used for image-processing and other cool things for the
> Toaster.

You wouldn't happen to be thinking of ImageFX, a multi-functional
image-processing program written by Nova Design and distributed by
GVP? ImageFX was originally called Montage before its formal release.
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Can someone confirm that *all* graphics shown in Babylon 5 was done in
Toaster/Lightwave exclusively?  If it was not done exclusively using Lightwave,
what other software/equipments were used?  Thanx in advance.

BTW, I saw the premier of B5 a couple of days ago (Ch. 44 in SF/Bay Area).  I
was quite impressed by the graphics (assuming it was all done under Lightwave).
Even though you can tell the images are purely cyber-space, still the quality
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B5's storyline was kind of lame, but that's a different subject...

Oh, I don't own an Amiga, but I've been thinking about getting one to do some
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    It's here!!!!!!!!!! :)

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    According to my local TV guide, Babylon 5 will be airing
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    (note: i posted this to lightwave and imagine mailing list as i
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     I too got a chance (at Looong last) to see B5 when it aired here
in New England. Knowing of the Lightwave connection I was watching the
animations quite closely, and wasn't dissapointed. But I also found I
enjoyed the show itself. Sure, the plot was minimal, the acting not
Oscar quality, but there Was a plot, and there Was acting. That's rare
these days.
     I guess my biggest impression was that the use of LW graphics
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     By-the-by: I am a novice Toaster/LW user, waiting to upgrade my
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basic questions here soon. Forgive me if I seem dense, but I'm one of
those folk getting into desktop video from the Video end, not the
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I would just like to say that I (and many others) owe Mark Thompson a big
THANK YOU for his infinite Lightwave expertise.  He is the one of the best
reasons to be on this list!!

I don't want to start a whole series of thank yous, I'm sure I speak for
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LightWave was NOT used for ALL of the effects.  There were something
like 10% which was done using traditional models or otical effects.
I don't know which scenes are not LightWave however.

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> Ron Thorton makes a cameo appearance in the film....

[ stuff deleted ]

So does Kiki Stockhammer.  She's sitting a bar about 25 or 26 minutes into
the show.  She's wearing a cloak and it looks like she's typing on something.
She's on the screen for less than two seconds, so watch for her!

I'm told that Allen Hastings and Stuart Ferguson also make cameos, but I didn't
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I called inovision and they told me montage was a character generator for the
toaster.  They claimed 1 nanosecond resolution and said it does font scaling.
They're sending more info.  I asked them why they called it "montage"
(basically means "edit") and they had no compelling reason for the name except
that they liked it and their lawyers felt it didn't conflict with the other
video product with that name.

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Hi Pei (Pei L. Ku), in <[e-mail]> on Feb 24 you wrote:

:
: Can someone confirm that *all* graphics shown in Babylon 5 was done in
: Toaster/Lightwave exclusively?  If it was not done exclusively using Lightwave,
: what other software/equipments were used?  Thanx in advance.

    I can confirm that all graphics (I am not sure about displays) are
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a wonder to use (as per them)

:
: B5's storyline was kind of lame, but that's a different subject...
        Actually the B5 storylign is very in-depth. If you look at the
STTNG premier or even the ST premier you will see that this story is a
little lame. B5 is planned to be a series and there is where the fun
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Hi Mark (Mark Thompson), in <[e-mail]> on Feb 24 you wrote:

: You wouldn't happen to be thinking of ImageFX, a multi-functional
: image-processing program written by Nova Design and distributed by
: GVP? ImageFX was originally called Montage before its formal release.

    Actually Mark it was called Mirage not Montage. And the program is
upsolutely amazing. Does alot of things and I really like it. Although
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ADPRO/Imagemaster and Image FX. Image FX becomes real nice if used with
one of the display boards or a 4000 (thats what I use it on)

: It aired in the Boston/southern New Hampshire area last night. For those
: of you who haven't seen it (or did and have a good memory), Ron Thorton
: makes a cameo appearance in the film. He is a scruffy looking character
: with a pee cap seated at a table with a few others in a longe. He is on
: screen for 1-2 seconds. He later appears on a computer screen that is
: showing a shape shifter "morphing" from one face to another. Ron is the
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: Foundation Imaging, the group that did all the CG effects for the show.
: All the 3D stuff was done with LightWave.

    Actually there are others that appear in the show as well that we
are familiar with. For instance Kiki is there at the craps table with
Lando and Garibaldi casino scene. Also I think a few others from New Tek
are there as well. Also others from the Foundation staff are at the
scenes. I have to find out exactly who it is and when. The show creater
Joe Straszynski mentioned it all on GEnie some time back I just have to
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It is integrated into the Toaster control panel and, according to the mar-
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Hi Jerry (Jerry Thompson), in <[e-mail]> on Feb 25 you wrote:

: LightWave was NOT used for ALL of the effects.  There were something
: like 10% which was done using traditional models or otical effects.
: I don't know which scenes are not LightWave however.
:

    no Jerry I think you are pretty wrong on this. All the space
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    Well, after viewing the Amiga's entry into the 'Big Time' with
the premier of B5 several times I find I have several comments that I'd
like to share.  First, let me preface you with some of the feelings I
had before I tuned in.
    A) I work on Vax, Ultrix, and SGI boxes.  One of the SGIs has a
reality engine in it.  I've seen and helped create some really
impressive images and animations.  The reality engine blows away
anything you can ever hope to put in the current Amiga line in terms of
raw speed.  An Amiga can produce as good results, but at a much greater
cost in time.

    B) I was prepared to love DS9.  This show is absolute crud.
I've had it with soft-science fiction.  The acting is wooden.  The
characters are forgettable, and it already has degenerated into "well,
even though we are at the edge of known space, every week we are visited
by something nasty which we fight/cleverly decieve in an hour."  <yawn>
BFD
    Ok, so even though you can see in A that I am not an Amiga bigot
so I won't like the show just because it has elements created by Amiga's
in it, and that in B I am perfectly willing to allow myself to enjoy
other shows that compete, I must admit to having owened and fully
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    Babylon 5 Critisizims:  Though the plot line was well paced and
directed, it had way too many old sub-plots running through it.  I don't
expect totally new stories (the old chestnut that all the stories have
already been written already is generally true).  However, the writers
could have thrown in a few more plot twists or variations on themes.
This is a hard critisizm to make because what do you expect when you
have several players you have to intoduce and develop along with a
complex plot.  The "Pilot" form of movie is always stilted because you
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have to give support to events that won't even happen in this episode.
    The CG went from really really cool, to "What did you think of
that Mr. Horse?" "No, sir, I didn't like it." (Ren and Stimpy fans will
explain that one to you if you don't get it ;-)  Examples of bad CG were
when the crab like lander attaches itself to the hull of B5.  It just
didn't look realistic enough.  Space long shots were another set of
loser graphics.  Lens flare is cool, but most lenses of reasonable size
have depth of field.  There should be a point of focus such that things
distant from that point should be blurred.  Maybe LW4.0 will do this?
Finally, CG imagry can always out perform even the best of commercially
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available optics.  Let me assure you, the filming done on the station
did not appear to be done with state of the art optics.  Thus when one
scene goes from a "live shoot" from inside the station to a "CG shoot"
the really impressive jump up in image quality actually *HURTS* the CG.
This of course didn't stop my roommate from screaming "I want one, I
want one!" everytime a new spaceship appeared on screen.

    Babylon 5 Praise:  Despite what I said about tired old plot
above, there was so much characterization and 'buried treasure' that I
will absolutely die if they don't go with the series.  Why has Garibaldi
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captain's mind?  What caused a grown doctor to go "Uhg!" when he peeped
in on the Vorlon?  What is Alexander's pleasure threshold and what is
she up to with G'kar (BEEP-BEEP)?  What did the Minbari ambasador mean
at the stone garden?  If it was an infocom game I'd search the stone
garden to see if she placed something there...  The writers got one
thing correct, tease the audience.  give us something to think and dream
about.  give us problems that don't go away after an hour or a phaser
blast.
    Limitations.  The writers have concerned themselves with
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limitations!  This is very refreshing.  If only the same had been done
on ST:TNG or DS9 (like, if they really did have transporters and
holodecks why aren't they the 'Q'.  I'll skip detailing the 'missed
opportunities of exploiting the technology Paramount wants us to believe
in.)  Fore example, the telepath can't just stand there and casually
grab someone's mind.  It requires concentration.  Aliens are more
difficult to scan than humans.  Sometimes physical contact is required.
Psi can be sheilded against.  Not everyone has access to psi.  It is
very hard to keep an intelligent audience from thinking up ways to
reapply technology that some in SF just casually banty about.  For
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example, if the station had 'gravity generators' instead of relying on
centripital force, then that would imply a 'Grand Unification Theory'
had been devised which would cause advances in other areas of science.
Fusion (even if it were cold) would be an 'antiquated' technogy compared
to the power generation abilities of singularities, etc.
    Acting.  I liked the actors a great deal.  The Telepath is not
some new age bimbo with giant hooters and the low cut uniform to prove
it.  The character that embodies wisdom, age, and compasion is a black
actor.  More, instead of a homogenized/americanized black he has a
unique accent and hopefully some cultural baggage as well.  I do hope
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they develope this one.  The second in command makes you forget all of
the traditional sterotypes concerning females and their role in society
and challenges us to see them in new ways.  Compare here to the Begoran
character on DS9?  Who would you rather work for?  You don't have to
make a woman a Bi*ch to make her tough.  Then there's the captain.  He
looks the part.  The humble vetran hero of the line (shhh don't mention
it too loud he has flashbacks) with the hole in his mind.  He reminds me
of some colonels I used to work for at the Defense Logistics Agency.  Of
course my favorite is Garibaldi.  But enough of this.  You've read
enough.
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    Please, if you've read this far, comment.  I'd like to send a
counter opinion to the Boston Globe to counter their trashing of the
pilot.

--Pete "Mr. Tired Fingers"

P.S. Go see Army of Darkness before it is gone from the theaters.  It is
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   While it is interesting to hear how Amiga/Lightwave is being used in
Babylon 5, I'd like to suggest that traffic be limited to the subject of
this group.  I'm more than happy to hear how a beta version of Lightwave 3
is being used to create lens flare; what I don't need is a long critique of
the acting and plot of B5. Or, defenses of B5 by those who loved it.
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Not Meaning to start a flame war, so dont get me wrong!

>
>    While it is interesting to hear how Amiga/Lightwave is being used in
> Babylon 5, I'd like to suggest that traffic be limited to the subject of
> this group.  I'm more than happy to hear how a beta version of Lightwave 3
> is being used to create lens flare; what I don't need is a long critique of
> the acting and plot of B5. Or, defenses of B5 by those who loved it.

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quite a bit of PR for lightwave!

And beings B5 is not on a Major Network, people like me living in North
Dakota, would like to hear everything they can about B5.

>    How about more info on Montage? A recent poster said he'd seen a demo of
> it that looked to make Toaster CG unnecessary?  Why?
>

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does it have to do with LightWave?  There is a mail-list that pretains
to just the Toaster in general, but this list is supposedly for LW and
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I realize this is more toaster than lightwave specific, but theres a good
chance someone on here can help me out.

Ill be getting an A3000T 040 box next week.  Im upgrading from an A2000
Toaster system.  I would REALLY appreaciate any info on installing t he
toaster into this 3000T box..  what exactly needs to be done??  I think
someone said It involves cutting the case?  is this true?  is it a tight
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Also, has anyone used/seen got specs on the new DMI Zorro III SCSI-2 Card?

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> Ill be getting an A3000T 040 box next week.  Im upgrading from an A2000
> Toaster system.  I would REALLY appreaciate any info on installing t he
> toaster into this 3000T box..  what exactly needs to be done??

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board back together (the daughterboard I'm talking..)

Your program out (I think..) will be impaired by the casing, however.  You
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Hello Joshua (Joshua Tsui). On Feb 25, you have written :

> I would just like to say that I (and many others) owe Mark Thompson a big
> THANK YOU for his infinite Lightwave expertise.  He is the one of the best
> reasons to be on this list!!
>
> I don't want to start a whole series of thank yous, I'm sure I speak for
> many here.

    Are, Are Thompson !!! C'mon, we all dance around the Joshua Tree ;-)
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    Hope Mark will continue to bring his EnLightment Wave...;-)

    Sincerely,
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:On Sun 28-Feb-1993  2:32a,  wrote:
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:> Ill be getting an A3000T 040 box next week.  Im upgrading from an A2000
:> Toaster system.  I would REALLY appreaciate any info on installing t he
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:
:You have to take apart the Toaster board, slip the board in, and then put the
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That sounds complicated..  is there any big risk in doing this?  Im sure the
Worst thing that could happen I guess Is I bend one of the pins though.  I
know enough to stay grounded, etc.

:
:Your program out (I think..) will be impaired by the casing, however.  You
:will have to cut the case to make it accessable; this will become apparent
:once you get the Toaster in of what you need to cut.

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Mannon, please make sure you are posting to "[e-mail]".

On Feb 26 <[e-mail]>,
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        I'm a student in Brady Texas (geographical center to be exact) and
I don't have a single channel that Babylon 5 shows on!  What can I do
about this.  Is there someone I can buy a tape of it from or what.  Help
me please.  Before I go insane!
        Thanks even if you can't help me.

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On Sun 28-Feb-1993 10:42p, Kenneth Scott Bethke wrote:

KB> That sounds complicated..  is there any big risk in doing this?

Well, I imagine it'd void your warranty. :)

KB> Hmm this sounds reasonable..  does the toaster stick out the same way it
KB> did on my A2000?

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There are also some connectors at the top of the board that are duplicates of
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> I realize this is more toaster than lightwave specific, but theres a good
> chance someone on here can help me out.
>
> Ill be getting an A3000T 040 box next week.  Im upgrading from an A2000
> Toaster system.  I would REALLY appreaciate any info on installing t he
> toaster into this 3000T box..  what exactly needs to be done??  I think
> someone said It involves cutting the case?  is this true?  is it a tight
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> 040? (I heard it didnt like Copyback mode or something like that)

I don't know about Copyback mode as I don't have an 040 but you can
fit the Toaster into the A3000T 040 box without much hassle at all
and you really don't have to cut the case unless you are going to be
using it as an input device and switcher.  Seems that you will not be
able to access video input 1 (sync) unless you cut the case.  So, you
can use it for Lightwave if you don't need to capture images for
image maps or texture maps or you can cut the case and gain access to
the first input.
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I have a regular 3000 and I had to cut the case to get it in there
but it works fine in the 3000 and the 3000T 040.  If you are shy
about cutting the case you can go out and purchase a Toaster Cozzy
for some $600.00...

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For those of you who don't subscribe to Video Toaster User, there is an
article in the latest issue (FEB/MAR) discussing the advances in the
upcoming version of Lightwave.  The article is entitled Lightwave 3D:
The Next Generation by John Gross, who I believe is currently working on
Sea Quest.

This article mentions many new improvements in the software as well
information on new features and changes in the look/operation of
Lightwave.  All in all the new Lightwave looks to be a very competitive
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I can summarize the new features and such for you.

Lightwave:

Layout now is the only screen for Lightwave.  All the buttons that were
previously on the first screen in Lightwave are now lined up along the
top of the Layout screen.  Althought the pictures included in the
article are horribly dark, I can just make out the buttons and such.
None of the actual Layout screen is even visible in the poorly printed
image.  The caption under the image states that the image shows visible
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motion paths (hope they are mouse editable in layout) and spotlight cone
angles display (a BIG plus).

John says that items in the layout screen moved strangely when you were
viewing them from other than the straight ahead (down the Z axis) and
trying to move them.  Now they move more intuitivly.

There is now the option to view the scene from a light.  The previously
mentioned intuitive movement will be a big plus here.  Lighting will be
much easier since you will not have to move a light, aim it and then
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render a test image, move it a bit more, aim it and render another test
image.  You will still have to do the above but at least we will be much
closer to the ballpark when setting up initial lighting and cone angles.
Of course these cone angles are only usable on spotlights.

Seems we will have the ability to clone and name lights. (I wonder if
there is any chance of making an object a light...it might be nice to
add some sort of flourescent tube lighting)

A big addition which we have all seen (if you've seen the 20th Annual
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American Music Awards or Babylon 5) is the Lens Flare option.  The
article says you click on the Lens Flare option for a light, make sure
the light is visible in the camera view, adjust the intensity, flare
pattern and whether or not lens reflections should be generated and
Lightwave will produce perfect lens flares automatically.  This option
even supports the blocking of the light/flare when an object passes in
front of it (between the camera and light).  Sounds good.

Another MAJOR feature is Shadow Mapping.  This functions only from
spotlights and gives you shadows without the need for ray tracing the
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shadows.  We all know how long it took to trace shadows!  These shadows
are generated quickly and you can adjust the fuzziness of the shadows.
I think this will be a big plus.  In most cases I NEVER traced shadows
for my Animations because the overhead was too much to deal with under
my budgets and time-frames.  With this new option, shadows will probably
be possible in MANY cases where they were not even a possibility before.

There are a couple of restrictions on this shadow mapping.  A semi
transparent object will cast a solid shadow when shadow mapped but the
same object will cast a semi-transparent shadow when traced.
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A few new features in the Objects panel include the ability to clone
muliple copies of an object and two new types of object mapping.


Displacement mapping!  For those of you who don't know it, Displacement
mapping lets you actually deform an object by applying an image map to
the object.  This is different than bump mapping in that bump mapping
just changes the shading of an object to give you the appearance of a
deformed surface whereas displacement mapping actually changes the
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surfaces shape.  This can be animated over time.

Clip Mapping.  Clip mapping carves away parts of an object based on the
image map.  A prime example is a globe I had constructed out of two
spheres.  With a color map of the world and a transparency map of the
same image of the world and a bump map of the same image I created a
world with continents on it.  The continents were colored by the color
map, raised by the bump map (not displaced) and then the transparency
map allowd the sphere underneath (the water) to show through where ever
the continents weren't.  I bump mapped the water to make it more
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realistic.  The biggest problem I had with this is that I wanted the
continents to be a shiny gold.  Well, a transparency map doesn't "cut"
out the water completely and the reflection map for gold shows through
partially in the water.  With clip mapping, this will not happen because
the invisible part of the object is completly gone and doesn't reflect
any light at all.  A main advantage to clip mapping is that it works
with shadow mapping, and affects all of an objects surfaces with a
single map.

There is a replace object button.  You can now replace an object in your
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scene with say a primative object such as a box or a rectangle and do
all your animation setup with that object which result in much faster
screen updates and previews and then swap the real object back into the
scene for final rendering.  An additional plus to this is that instead
of having to unload an object you might want to change in modeler from
the scene and then reloading it, you can just replace it with the new
object you changed in modeler.

We will finally be able to morph surfaces in the new Lightwave!
Morphing envelopes are suppose to be intuitive and mouse adjustable.  We
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will also be able to offset envelopes or scale frames to change the
length of an animation without having to delete old key frames and
create all new keyframes.  Sounds much like "ripple" which is used in
computerized editing.  Hopefully it will work much the same where you
can lengthen a portion of your animation in say the beginning of a scene
(for a change in speed) and all the keyframes and envelopes will adjust
accordingly along the rest of the animation.

There is mention of a couple of new image mapping features.  One is
called cubic mapping.  Says you can take a single image and map it
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around all six sides of a cube instead of making six separate surface
names and then mapping images to each of the surfaces.

Another is called Front Projection mapping.  The example talks about
taking an image of a lake as a background image and then mapping this
same image onto a flat plane.  When you render the image you will have a
seemless image of a lake even though the backgound is vertical and the
water plane is horizontal.  You can then have something like a sea
monster poke its head up through the plane and it will look like it's
poking its head up from the water in the lake.  Front projection mapping
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will project an image straight onto an object no matter what angle that
object or the camera is at.

No limit to points/polygons except for that imposed by the memory you
have available on you workstation.

New rendering options.

Motion Blur
Particle Blur
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Depth of Field

A new antialiasing features with adjustible settings.  Says we can use
medium-res (video res) with a low antialiasing setting and we will get
better looking images than we would using print resolution in our
current versions of Lightwave.

The backdrop panel has been named Effects (makes sense to me).  A solid
backdrop button with a separate color requestor instead of using the
Zenith only button and alpha image composition.
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An alpha image will allow you to control foreground image transparency.
Good for traveling mattes for keying logos and object onto.

The article says there are several interface changes that make using
Lightwave even easier.  Certain buttons are ghosted until other buttons
are activated.  Clicking on a ghosted button will result in Lightwave
informing you you need another button activated first.  The example is
if you have a 0% specularity setting the glossiness button will be
ghosted because you need some amount of specularity for glossiness to
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take effect.  If you click on glossiness when it was ghosted, it would
tell you you need to increase specularity to allow glossness settings to
take effect in your rendering.

There are also context sensitive help screen accessible by pressing the
Help key (what else!).  All data entry fields in which you can cycle
through a list of choices now has mouse activated pop-up list requestors
so that it makes it easy to pick from a long list of choices.  I hope
that there is some sort of memory in those choices so that requestors
remember the last picked choice and automaticly return there.
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According to the article we will have free-form deformation available in
the Layout without having to setup multiple morphs!!!!  Using a new
method of "skeletal deformation" (Bones I guess) we will be able to
bend, twist, squash and stretch objects between keys to our hearts
content!  Drool, slobber, spittle..choke.



Ok..that's all it says about Lightwave..now on to Modeler.
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When you click on the Modeler button the Lightwave screen slides away
revealing the Modeler screen (ta-dah! a bit of flash I guess).

Modeler now suports Arexx!  Of course we can do all sorts of fantastic
things with ARexx in modeler!!  Things that had to be done with
Videoscapes old model creation tools can now be done with Modeler (I
would assume).  Mathematically defined models, creation of models from
data, spelling out words reading in fonts from font directories and
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bunches of heavily used options can be attached to an ARexx script and
hopefully executed from user-defined macro keys much like Toasterpaint!

Let's all take some time and bow our heads to Stuart Ferguson in a
minute of silence....

Ok..on to the features...

Adobe Type 1 Postscript fonts are supported directly by Modeler.

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Jitter - Roughens up an object making it "used" looking
Smooth - The opposite..smooths a rough object.
Quantize - Transforms and object into cubic blocks..hmm...

Well, here's the next BIG feature...sick of polygons?  Now we will be
able to model objects out of splines!  What kind of splines it doesn't
say.  What type are they Stuart?

Ok...for those of you who don't know it, we can now create such
complicated items as an S shape out of 3-4 points and some spline curves
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between the points instead of the multitudes of points previously
required to get smooth curved edges.  Connecting three or four splines
together will create a spline patch.  Gee, I guess this is going to
royally screw with Pixel 3D Pro and Interchange Plus..eh John??

What kind of patches are these and are they going to be rendered as
patches or as polys...hmm...interesting.

Next up in our update hit list is Boolean operators!  Gag, hack...I'm
dyin' here..please, somebody ....help!  Sorry, all these new features
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are getting the better of me.  I can hardly contain myself.  If I don't
get this update soon I am probably going to turn into that character
that Michael Douglas is playing in that new movie...

Anyway, Boolean operators allow you to do such amazing things as Drill,
Core, Add, Subtract among others (what others?)

What this means is you can take an object (say a flat plane) and then
make another object (say the outline of a dog) and then you can use the
dog outline to cut a hole in the flat plane to create a dog hole..just

like making cookies.  (I know, that's a terribly overused example).  So
you can drill, core, add and subtract objects to create other objects.
Something that has been around in Imagine (with a few bugs) for a while
now but I'm sure these operations will be a bit better implemented.

Rail Extrusion.  Oh boy!  I suppose you could call this path extrusion
as well.  Example..take a flat disk and extrude it along a spline curve
and get a corkscrew or spring type object.  Gee, now we can make those
NYC style pretzels we've all been wanting to create...

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Oh...or take a couple of rails to stretch and deform the object as it is
extruded along our path..er..rail.  Like Imagine I imagine..heh.  Should
be able to create some pretty organic looking shapes and such with this.
A big plus...Now I can sell off Imagine since I will have no need of it
anymore....I hope.

Bevel...Oh gee...flying logo time!  Take those letters and bevel the
fronts, or, bevel the backs, or bevel the fronts AND the backs, or bevel
just a single letter out of the word..or..or..bevel Mark Thompson's nose
if you have his head model available....<grin>  There are adjustible
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bevel values of course.

Subdivide.  Ok, we should all know what this does...if you don't, it
lets you divide selected polys into smaller polys.  You can do faceted
and smooth subdivisions.  That SGI animation with the Fish and the Bird
in some sort of computer love used subdivide to create the glass sphere
the whole animation took place inside.  That's what made that nice
octagonal design around the outside of the glass sphere.

Smooth subdivision offsets the polys a bit to make the outside edge
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smoother.  Good if you have an object you like that looks too faceted
and you want to smooth it out without actually manually adding points
and polys.

The article says there have bene numerous other interface changes that
will make the Modeler much easier and more intuitive to use.

Both Lightwave and Modeler have been optimized for use on 040 processors
and the majority of the entire system has been made easier and more
productive to use.
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Looks good.  A couple of items I DIDN'T see mentioned was some work on
the preview modes and such.

I am particularly interested in seeing hidden line removal in the Layout
as well as some sort of shaded mode for previews.  I also was interested
in being able to create full-frame previews for direct output to tape in
real time..as in 16 shades of grey or dithered color so that I can run
simple motion tests directly out of the layout to tape and then to a
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client for initial approval..of course these previews would have to
support some sort of way of showing dissolves, transparent objects, and
minimal maps such as clip maps.

All in all I am *very* excited about this new version of Lightwave and
Modeler and I am getting my bread ready now.


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Hi Guys,

I know most of us on this mailing list work with animations and or image
processing. I have AMIGA 2000 + Toaster. I want to add a scanner to my
unit. I am wondering which scanner to use? There are scanners by EPSON, HP,
and other manufacturers, Can anyone recommend a good scanner? And any software
that will be needed to convert the scanned images to a format that toaster's
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> I would just like to say that I (and many others) owe Mark Thompson a big
> THANK YOU for his infinite Lightwave expertise.

Geesh, swell my head too much and I just may pick up and move to Hollywood
to seek fortune and glory......(hmmmmmmmm) ;-)

Thanks for the praise. I'm just glad to help out with what I consider to
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>     Actually Mark it was called Mirage not Montage. And the program is
> upsolutely amazing.

Yeah I'm real familiar with it.... I was a beta tester (and continue to be).
However ImageFX as I remember went through 3 different names. Jason Andreas
can correct me if I'm wrong but I remember it starting out as Montage,
then changed to Mirage, and finally ended up as ImageFX. I may have the order
wrong but I was pretty sure of the names (not that any of this has anything
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> For instance Kiki is there at the craps table. Also I think a few others
> from New Tek are there as well. Also others from the Foundation staff are
> at the scenes.

Its too bad none of them got to speak. They couldn't have faired worse than
the people in the staring roles ;-} (ouch, pull that knife out of Tamlyn
Tomita's back). They looked stiff even compared to Al Gore. But enough
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I'm not currently a Toaster owner (I use the one at my school), but now that
I'm getting more and more into 3-D graphics and video production, I've
considered investing in one.  I currently own a 2500/'030 system.

However, I've also been drooling over the new A4000 recently, and sice
(oops) since I've heard that C= will stop making the A2000 boxes soon,
I was curious... WILL THERE BE A TOASTER FOR THE A4000?

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Is there a new version of the Toaster in the works?  Should there be?

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> I don't know about Copyback mode as I don't have an 040

Copyback is no problem with 2.0 LightWave. There are some other bugs that
do tend to show up more prominently with an 040 though such as the crash
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> However, I've also been drooling over the new A4000 recently, and sice
> (oops) since I've heard that C= will stop making the A2000 boxes soon,
> I was curious... WILL THERE BE A TOASTER FOR THE A4000?
> I'd be willing to wait a year for a Toaster that takes advantage of
> the new AGA chipset (full-screen AGA Toasterpaint, etc.), the '040
> processor (like the new Lightwave), OS 3.0, and so on.

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I have been playing with Lightwave and the Modeler for over a year but never
move than playing with the examples from the manual.  I decided to do some
real work today and ran into a few questions.  For the record, this is 2.0.

I designed a block shape in the modeler which is defined in mm.  When I
load this object into the layout, what scale is the layout? Inches? mm?
I want to place a number of these blocks in relation to one another but
can't figure out how to change the layout scale (other than grid size
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I want each of these blocks to be a different color.  How is this accomplished?
Do I need to define a surface in the modeler?  Where does the surface color
in the layout menu come into play?

This doesn't seem like too tall an order and I didn't anticipate having such
problems right off.  I remember hearing talk about a training video that was
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Mark Thompson said:

But I do know that NewTek has expressed
a commitment to the Amiga 4000 and rumors are that there will
probably
be something available before the end of this year.

Well, what about that? Might this mean a version which does PAL as
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> I have been playing with Lightwave and the Modeler for over a year but never
> move than playing with the examples from the manual.  I decided to do some
> real work today and ran into a few questions.  For the record, this is 2.0.
>
> I designed a block shape in the modeler which is defined in mm.  When I
> load this object into the layout, what scale is the layout? Inches? mm?
> I want to place a number of these blocks in relation to one another but
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> which isn't what I'm looking for).

Actually, the size you use in Modeler is the size that the object
will be in Layout.  So, if your block is 1mmx1mmx1mm, it is that same
size in Layout.  The grid size should adjust automatically to the
scale of the object.  If you check your grid size, it will be .005
which is measured in meters.  The layout uses meters for measurement.

If you are just using arbitrary blocks, you should just make them
1mx1mx1m for ease of use.  Did you actually change the size of
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the shift-> key to get to a grid size of 1mm in Modeler...

> I want each of these blocks to be a different color.  How is this accomplishe
> Do I need to define a surface in the modeler?  Where does the surface color
> in the layout menu come into play?

You have to save several different "versions" of your block from
modeler.  On the first block you can call it "block.red".  You would
pick the options button and then click on surface.  In the surface
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requestor you would type in "red" and click on rename.  This renames
your default surface to red.  You can then save your first block as
block.red.  You would then just go back into "options/surfaces" and
rename your surface to whatever colors you wish, green, blue, yellow,
white and so on saving a copy of each block using disk/saveas.

Once you have saved your blocks with the different surface names you
can then load them all into your scene.  If you click through the
sufaces you will see the different color names and the polygon number
should be six for simple cubes.  At this point you should set your
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all set the way you want them you can pick objects/save all objects
and all your objects will be saved with the correct colors.

> This doesn't seem like too tall an order and I didn't anticipate having such
> problems right off.  I remember hearing talk about a training video that was
> being produced.  What are some good tutorials on Lightware?
>
> Dan Abend / I've owned a toaster as long as I've had my Amiga...
>             I just never had any bread :)
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I don't know about good tutorials.  I would suggest you spend some
time with the tutorials that come in the Lightwave/modeler manuals
and start there.  I've found that working with modeler/lightwave is
the best way to learn it.  You can't expect to produce wonderful
broadcast quality renderings in an hour or two of fiddling around.
In alot of cases it takes months to learn how to set up surfaces and
how to model objects to produce the results you are looking for if
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What i'd really like to see in the next release or the near future would be to
have group control like in that animation Stanley & Stella: Breaking the Ice.
(or at least I think that's what it's called). To have control of a flock of
objects...

Then there's radiosity. 8^/ That'd be real nice...

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>I have a regular 3000 and I had to cut the case to get it in there
>but it works fine in the 3000 and the 3000T 040.  If you are shy
>about cutting the case you can go out and purchase a Toaster Cozzy
>for some $600.00...
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     "We're still kicking around the idea of a Toaster for the 3000"


                    - Christine at NewTek, when asked why the Toaster does
                      not fit in the Amiga 3000


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additional equipment necessary to generate a good quality animation
from lightwave?  If possible I would like to see see suggestions for
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     "We're still kicking around the idea of a Toaster for the 3000"


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Just a small point, but that's Christina, not Christine.
Sorry I even brought it up really...

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 I'm basically just trying to get some more information on laser disc recorders/
 editors/etc...like the latest prices (the ones I have are ancient), and maybe
 any 'hot new thing' related to them.

 Also, Yet Another Motion Blur Question:

 I think someone mentioned this before, but would it be possible to get a sort

 of a 'blur' on an object by fogging out the pertinent ends (ie left-right, up
 -down, etc.), like with a linear texture blending into fog? Just have the
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How do you save an object made in layers?  Is it necessary to copy everything
into one layer or can all the layers be saved seperately?  I tried selecting
all the layers I was using (with SHIFT-click on layer front) and after I
tried to load it into my scene, I got the 'load with conversion' window
suggesting that this was no longer a LW object.

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Any other suggestions about using the layers would be appreciated.

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What is the easiest way to cut a hole through an object.  For instance,
I need to make a door frame.  I created a box and removed the front and
back faces.  I then created another box inside which I turned in-side-out
by flipping the normals.  I removed its front and back surface also.  Then,
I selected the point in groups of 4 (2 on the outside box, 2 on the inside)
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Im working on a project that  requires either a gasous or fire type effect.
the scene is set up with a globe floating above a cup.  Out of the cup I would
like fire to be shooting out engulfing the golbe.  How do i go about doing this?  fog cone?

In dec/jan issue of VTU there is a interview with Jennifer McKnew.  Im pretty
amazed on the renderings she did.  How did she do those nebulas or galaxies?
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Were can i get a hold of Theology?

Also I accedently rewrote my wood surface .. and some one please post
the proper settings for it.  Will there be any type of textures like essence
for imagine?

Thanks alot.

Steve
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   Some weeks ago I wrote in asking for a solution to "roller coaster-like"
camera path movements in an animation I was working on. Even when I had
used linear spline controls my camera seemed to be bobbing up and down. I
figured out it was a change of pitch and heading between key frames. But I
still needed to change them to get the proper view. The solution? Use the
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camera stays locked on and the bobbing goes away. Movements are much
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   Instead of having to create intermediate keys between main key frames I
just tweek the position of the Null Object. It has also been very useful
when I have to match an animation frame to a real shot of a tunnel
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   Anyone got any suggestions about how I can create a high-pressure mist
(it should look like fog) coming from 32 sprayers? The tunnel I'm working
on is for icing research and it has 8 spray bars that produce water
droplets on the order of 40 microns (about the size of a pollen grain or a
cloud droplet).
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>    Anyone got any suggestions about how I can create a high-pressure mist
> (it should look like fog) coming from 32 sprayers?

Create a teardrop shaped object (looks like a cone with a sphere on the
bottom) with the cone tip at the origin. Make it the color of your mist
(typically white). Give it transparent edges, diffuse lighting but no
specular, and smoothing. Then define a fractal noise transparecy map that
has a velocity outward from its central axis. The transparency should be
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teardrop (ie. it is totally transparent). Size the texture so that along the
central axis, it is about 40% of the object length, but only about a tenth
of that in the other two dimensions (this will give the appearance of a
motion blurred spray). You can play with these numbers and the contrast till
you get the effect you are looking for. This is the technique I used for the
steam leaks of the pipes in my furnace image that is floating around various
ftp sites. It suitable for a variety of gasous and liquid spray effects.
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> Im working on a project that requires either a gasous or fire type effect.
> the scene is set up with a globe floating above a cup. Out of the cup I would
> like fire to be shooting out engulfing the golbe.  How do i go about doing
> this?

There are several ways. Perhaps the simplest is a fractal noise transpancy
mapped cone with fractal noise color of red and yellow. Both are given
an upward velocity and should use texture fall-off. It is similar in many
ways to the description I just gave for creating a mist except with different
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mention in the other post that applies here as well, enable the double sided
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them so they wiggle a bit.

> In dec/jan issue of VTU there is a interview with Jennifer McKnew.  Im pretty
> amazed on the renderings she did.  How did she do those nebulas or galaxies?
> Any clue.??

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from a still rather than seeing the actual animation. It looks like a
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of effects going on there. I made a quick and dirty test anim using my own
method for modeling the nebula. It turned out quite good (especially animated)
but could have used some more tweeking. If I get around to it, I'll upload
a mini test animation.

> Were can i get a hold of Theology?

You can't. It hasn't been released yet. Supposedly Nutopia was going to redo
it using some of the latest new features.

> Will there be any type of textures like essence for imagine?

Hey, there is only so much I can divulge in one post ;-)
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> Then define a fractal noise transparecy map that has a velocity outward
> from its central axis.

What I meant was...outward *along* its central axis.
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>     So, Mark, shall we have a meeting of the Imagine and/or Lightwave
> maillists at the main door at noon again like we did last year? Hopefully,
> this time there will be more than just you and me there...
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> Im working on a project that requires either a gasous or fire type effect.
> the scene is set up with a globe floating above a cup. Out of the cup I would
> like fire to be shooting out engulfing the golbe.  How do i go about doing
> this?

There are several ways. Perhaps the simplest is a fractal noise transpancy
mapped cone with fractal noise color of red and yellow. Both are given
an upward velocity and should use texture fall-off. It is similar in many
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mention in the other post that applies here as well, enable the double sided
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them so they wiggle a bit.

> In dec/jan issue of VTU there is a interview with Jennifer McKnew.  Im pretty
> amazed on the renderings she did.  How did she do those nebulas or galaxies?
> Any clue.??

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of effects going on there. I made a quick and dirty test anim using my own
method for modeling the nebula. It turned out quite good (especially animated)
but could have used some more tweeking. If I get around to it, I'll upload
a mini test animation.

> Were can i get a hold of Theology?

You can't. It hasn't been released yet. Supposedly Nutopia was going to redo
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> Will there be any type of textures like essence for imagine?

Hey, there is only so much I can divulge in one post ;-)
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Any information on obtaining the following 3d objects
would be greatly appreciated (objects can be in any
standard format... dxf, imagine, lightwave, etc.):

--modern passenger airplanes, especially a 747-400;

--satellites, especially GPS, GLONAS and INMARSAT;

--airports, traffic control towers, runways;

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--satellite ground bases, radar dishes, petri dishes...

There's more that will be needed, but the list is big enough
for now. Public domain, shareware or cheaply priced objects
would be preferable, assuming that they are of decent quality.
I already have catalogs from ViewPoint and Acuris, but
am only willing to shell out hundreds of dollars as a LAST
resort.

Hope to hear from you.

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See if you can find the objects in AutoCAD format (3D of course) or
some other, then have them converted...

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>Any information on obtaining the following 3d objects
>would be greatly appreciated (objects can be in any
>standard format... dxf, imagine, lightwave, etc.):
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>--modern passenger airplanes, especially a 747-400;
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>--satellites, especially GPS, GLONAS and INMARSAT;
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>There's more that will be needed, but the list is big enough
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>would be preferable, assuming that they are of decent quality.
>I already have catalogs from ViewPoint and Acuris, but
>am only willing to shell out hundreds of dollars as a LAST
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there is a Toaster BBS and they have many objects for downloading (just
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Tom,

Regarding your query on the availability of objects:

--modern passenger airplanes, especially a 747-400;

   LightWave comes with a relatively well-detailed DC-10.

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    I constructed a fairly simple KH-11 for a work-related project.  If you
    are interested in it, send me a message directly.

I was perusing ftp.uni-kl.de this moring, in pub/aminet/gfx/3d looking for
objects, and the pickings were slim.  If you should locate a cache of PD
objects it would be great if you could post it here.

This isn't much, but hope it helps.

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One of the best setups I've seen is the Sony EVO-9650.
It is a HiBand 8 deck capable of single frame accuracy..
The deck does not require an additional SFC (hardware or software)
to operate.  A serial cable from your Amiga to the 9650,
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> >     So, Mark, shall we have a meeting of the Imagine and/or Lightwave
> > maillists at the main door at noon again like we did last year? Hopefully,
> > this time there will be more than just you and me there...
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> Sounds good to me. Attention LightWave and Imagine users. If you plan to
> attend the World of Commodore in New York City and would like to meet with
> some of the others on these two lists, hang out by the door inside the
> entrance at 12 noon on Saturday. For those who don't already know about it,
> WOC will be held April 2-4 in New York City at Pier 88 of the Passenger
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I will most proabably make it for the Saturday meeting at the show as
well.  I may be able to bring a tape of my Corporate/Industrial
animation with me but I don't know if I will have the time to put it
together.  I may be able to talk my associate Steve Datkowitz from
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    OK, I tried this before but I think that I messed it up, so here
goes again.
    I live in Brady out in the middle of Texas, and do not have any of
the channel/s that Babylon 5 showed on.  I am very interested in getting a
tape of the show.  If someone on the list could tell me who to contact and
how I would be very thankful.  I am willing to pay for it (whether it
comes from some company somewhere or whatever) I certanly wouldn't expect
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    Thanks for your time and attention, any responce (even to tell me
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                  (Commercial content ahead!)

                      The Syndesis 3D-ROM

Everyone is looking for objects.  This summer, Syndesis Corporation
will release a CD-ROM call the "Syndesis 3D-ROM".  It contains more
than 500 public domain 3D objects, all converted to every format we
support in our InterChange Plus translation system: LightWave,

Imagine, Sculpt, 3D Studio, AutoCAD DXF, Wavefront, etc.

This disc solves a marketing problem for us.  Very often, we get
calls from someone who asks if InterChange Plus can convert Wavefront
objects.  Yes, we do, but the Wavefront Converter is $395.  "Yikes,"
they scream, "I'm just a starving college kid who grabbed these
Wavefront objects off the Internet, I can't spend $400 to convert
some objects I got for free."

In fact, although the word "Wavefront" trips off everyone's tongue,
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there aren't that many people who actually own Wavefront software.
Their installed base is on the order of "hundreds" not "tens of
thousands".  Our Wavefront Converter delivers professional quality to
those few Amigoids who need it.

So we've taken all those same objects that everyone discovers again
and again, converted them to all the formats they want, and put them
all in one place.  The objects are all public domain, period.  Do
with them what you want.  The disc is a great demonstration of our
conversion technology.  It's also a great answer to all those phone
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calls we get from people who simply want to convert a few demo
objects they downloaded, but don't want to buy an add-on Converter.

CD-ROM drives are getting dirt-cheap, rumors say the next Toaster
software will ship on CD-ROM, and other companies like Texture City
offer great collections of other 3D-useful data in CD-ROM format.  A
CD-ROM full of 3D objects is certainly faster, less expensive and
more convenient than downloading.  Look in the right places, and you
can add a CD-ROM drive to your Amiga for less than $300.  Check out
my articles in the March and August 1992 AmigaWorld for more
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Jody Reimer, the sysop of the Studio Amiga BBS has given us a copy of
his collection of 3D objects.  The China Lake "avalon" Internet site
has graciously provided us with a copy of the entire site, and many
of these objects will become part of the disc.

The entire suite of demo objects from Viewpoint will be part of the
disc, including the yet unreleased Siggraph '93 collection.  Several
other 3D companies such as Mira Imaging have contributed demo
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known to mankind.  We've also collected dozens of wrappable image
maps and texture maps for the disc.

In fact, we've got so many objects that we're already looking ahead to
Volume II.  We are accepting submissions for future discs, on floppy
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I have a very bad copy of B5 myself, and it would no doubt look like crap if
I tried to copy it. I suggest you post this message in the comp.sys.amiga
groups. Probably comp.sys.amiga.graphics.

If nobody else volunteers, then I can make a copy I guess, but I'm really
busy with school right now.

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I'm looking for an image or two of ANY rendering for use as a test for
some image-processing algorithms I'm playing with. The images content
does not matter: what I'm looking for are pictures that show BAD
chroma-crawl. The worse the better!  [Chroma crawl is the artifact you
sometimes see on bright vertical edges, especially rendered ones.
Even when displayed as a still frame, the edge looks like it has
little dots crawling up the side.]  You'll only really see this effect
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Anyway, if you have any images where this effect is noticable (even
when you're not looking hard) please drop me an email note.  Thanks!

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I have been getting frequent crashes recently when attempting to render an
animation in
Lightwave.  I have added no new software,  made no changes to the system
in any way and have
run a virus checker with negative results.  As far as I can tell, the
crashes happen only when
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The error message I get reads:

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ERROR     8100 0005

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Quantum 105 HD

Quantum  250 HD

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GVP Series I controller

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     RE: 747, satellites, etc


     I have a 747 done by a local artist on my BBS. He is also working on an
airport. I have about 10 space ships and satellites plus many other objects
in TDDD format, on my BBS.

     Login using the handle ANONYMOUS and the password GUEST for free access.


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re: my original post regarding Lightwave crash.  it seems that Lightwave
is crashing only when I attempt to save an animation using the Save Images
option.  The same scene saved using the Save Frames option does not crash.
Has anyone else had this tpye of experience?  if so, did you find a
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Hi All,

   I have uploaded the first module of a Particle Animation System
   for Lightwave 2.0.  It is called Movement - Particle Fountain and
   can be used for the simulation of launched projectiles including bounce.


         What :   move-pf.lha

         Where :  Wuarchive.Wustl.edu
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   I have included some additional support files for this software along
   with a tutorial.

   If you have any questions, comments, or flames, just drop me a line. : )

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    For those that need to see the show, email me directly and
we can discuss terms.
    [e-mail]

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Hi,
    I'm posting a thing for my friend who dosn't have access to the
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    I hate to send out news early about new products.  This is not an
ad!
    However, We have all heard about ViewPoint and the expensive, but
really nice objects they sell.  Their skeletons, for example, run
in three flavors, $1500, $3500, and the granddaddy at $5000.00

We at TCAF have been working on digitizing a full human skeleton for
weeks now, and by the end of April, it should be ready.  And it will
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The skeleton's resolution exhists somewhere inbetween the ViewPoint
$3500, and the $5000 versions.  The skeleton will be in LightWave
format and ready to animate.

I just want to know what people think about this model being released
on the market.  Let us know.  Also, what other subjects for models do
people out there need, that they don't or can't build, and what is a
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Hi Guys,

I was talking to the Sony dealer, and found out that sony has a super VHS
VCR that will do single frame recording. In the mail order, the cheapest
price I could find is $2125.00, which is almost half the price of Panasonic
AG7750. Sony SVO-9600 comes with some options:

    - RS232 Interface board,
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    - how is the jitter between recorded frames,
    - overall picture quality,
    - how would this compares with the Panasonic or JVC single frame
      recording decks.

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    Thanks for all the help you guys.  Looks like I'm getting B5.

    Oh, and yes this logon is under a different name.  It's under the
name of a teacher at my high school,Louann Hall, and it has been used many
times by other students.  Right now I'm the only one using it.  However my
mother has sent for a logon of our own (no response at this point of time).

    Again thanks from Brady.

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Hello,

I have a contract to animate the rotation of the earth and
moon around the sun.  I have only been working with LW
about 2 weeks now and could use some advice on how to
do this. If anyone has the knowledge to step me through
this, or advice on how to create the following, I would
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 1. How to create the model accurately. ie) Do I need to
    create the earth and the moon as spheres with their
    actual radii in the Modeler, or can I create them smaller.

 2. How can I texture map the continents onto the "earth sphere,"
    give the land and water realistic texture and create clouds.

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 4. How can I create a convincing environment of stars
    and galaxies to place my model.

 5. Lastly, how can I create the eliptical movements I need.

I know this is asking a lot. Thanks for whatever you can offer,
and hopefully I can learn enough to return the favor in the
future.

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    The following should have some related information for Lightwave
users who wonder exactly what that Toaster card is doing....

    Recently, while waiting for the last 150 frames (10 sec sequence)
of another flying logo to finish rendering, I wandered over to the Library.


    Everyone, including the Toaster Manual, tells you that each
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    I went searching for the "Engineer's Answer".  After an hour,
I ran across a fantastic resource detaling all levels of the Video
industry.

    MASTERING TELEVISION TECHNOLOGY, A Cure for the Common Video
    Newman Smith publishing 1988
    ISBN# 0-929549-00-7
    Congress CC#  88-90786

    Starting on page 230, it details the makup of origional NTSC
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59.94005996 fields per second, and how it interelates to the
subcarrier of 3,579,545.455 cycles per second.
    Further the book describes about the number of subcarrier/sec divided
by the number of fields/sec = 59,718.75  Here we pay attention to -->.75<--

Now quoting:
    Color Framing
    The fractional number of cycles (xxx.75) in a field indicates
that between the beginning and end of a field there is a 1.0 - 0.75 = .25
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shift, returning to the original phase requires the completion of
1 / 0.25 = 4 fields.  The phase shift produced, when maintaining subcarrier-
to-horizontal (SCH) phase, effectively produces four fields in the
NTSC system:

    COLOR FRAME A:
    FIELD I starts after a line that is full of picture information
and has a positive-going subcarrier at the leading edge of the sync
pulse of Line 10 (where the burst first appears).
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    FIELD II starts after a line that is half full of picture
information and has a negative-going subcarrier (180 degrees out of
phase relative to FIELD I) at leading edge of the sync pulse of Line 10.

    COLOR FRAME B:
    FIELD III starts after a line that is full of picture information
and has a negative-going subcarrier at the leading edge of the sync pulse of
Line 10.

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information and has positive-going subcarrier at the leading edge of the
sync pulse of Line 10.

    Examination of the totaled number of cycles at the beginning
of each of the color fields confirms the four field interval that is
necessary to return the subcarrier timing to the original phase.
This results to 360 degrees of subcarrier phase.

    Summation:  Four fields are stored in memory to track the
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color information about the frame you "grabbed".

    I must say that the book covers several other topics as well:

    Registration of tube cameras (good charts)
    Interpreting  Wave Form / Vector Scope Displays
    Individual charts on video tape formats from 8MM, VHS, SVHS, MII,
      BetaCam, 3/4 U-Matic, 3/4 SP, 1" -C, D-2, more good charts...
    Digital Audio/Video Sampling
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    Audio and Mic'ing
    And more than I can mention....

    This is one of those hard covered books with a bland-red spline.
Remarkable how much industry information is sealed within it's cover.
    So, what your Toaster is doing is NOT just a FREEZE FRAME, found
on most TBC's.

    From an Engineer's point of view, I thought I would pass along
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and 2) require motion removal.

    BTW, the Client says the flying logo sequence looks great!


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> Hello,
>
> I have a contract to animate the rotation of the earth and
> moon around the sun.  I have only been working with LW
> about 2 weeks now and could use some advice on how to
> do this. If anyone has the knowledge to step me through
> this, or advice on how to create the following, I would
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Quite an ambitious project for a new Lightwave user.  At any rate, I
have done most of the below previously so I can answer most of your
questions.

> Thing I would like to know. . .
>
>  1. How to create the model accurately. ie) Do I need to
>     create the earth and the moon as spheres with their
>     actual radii in the Modeler, or can I create them smaller.
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In most cases it is best to create your models in the correct size
relating to the item you are modeling.  If you create the Earth in
modeler the same size as the real Earth, you know you will not have
problems with scale size when using this object again.  However, if
you don't ever plan on using this object in a scene that requires
correct scaling then it doesn't matter.  I try to create everything
to the correct size.

>  2. How can I texture map the continents onto the "earth sphere,"
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>     give the land and water realistic texture and create clouds.

This is actually pretty simple.   What I did was create three spheres
representing the earth with water, texture and clouds.  The first
innersphere will be for the water, middlesphere for the
continents and outersphere for the atomosphere.  Create the middle
sphere to the correct size for the Earth.  Reduce this sphere by a
very small amount and use that for the water.  Enlarge the middle
sphere by about 10% to create the atmosphere sphere.  Name the
surfaces of the innersphere "water", the middlesphere "continents"
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and the outersphere "atmosphere".  You can clone the middlesphere to
create the others (using for/back layers) and then activate all the
layers and save all three spheres together as a single "Globe".
Alternately you can save each sphere individually which will require
some additional work in layout later.  In some cases the individual
spheres may come in handy at some later time.

The innersphere was for the water.  I created it with a surface color
of 30 30 80, a diffuse setting of 90%, specular of 60% and medium
glossiness with smooting on.  I also added a bump map to give the
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water some texture.  I've lost my bump map setting but I believe I
used around 3 frequencies and a fairly small size.  You will have to
experiment with this to make sure you don't have rings and that the
water looks choppy enough for your purposes.

I then added a second sphere that was a little bit larger than the
first sphere.  This represents the continents themselves.  What you
will need to do is create three image maps for the continents.  One
will be a color map.  This will give your continents the correct
color they require.  You will either have to find a map that fits
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your needs or create one.  I created my own from a program on an IBM
system that is a graphic database of the states of the USA as well as
the continents of the world.  I had the program draw the world with
boundry lines and then converted the resulting PCX file to the Amiga
for use as a color map.

Lightwave comes with a color map for the world called
worldcolormap.iff located in the Images directory.  However, this map
will probably not suit your needs.  You can probably colorize it to
fit your needs or you can just try to find one with the correct
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colorings and use that.  No matter which way to go with creating your
initial color map, you will need to use the *exact* same map to
create the other parts of your "world".  You can use DeluxePaint to
colorize your map if you are comfortable with that or you can use
ToasterPaint.   I used DPaint for my maps.

Once you have your color map colored the way you want it you can save
it as worldcolormap.iff.  You will then want to take the same map and
modify it to be your BUMP map.  The bump map will give your
continents and any features you have on them depth.  Of course this
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isn't "real" depth, just the illusion of depth since Lightwave
doesn't currently do displacement mapping.

You can load the worldcolormap.iff image into Dpaint and convert it
to shades of gray.  You will want to make any areas you want to
appear raised light shades of grey to white and the recessed areas dark
shades of grey to black.   Once you are done creating your bump map
you can save that as worldbumpmap.iff.  Actually it doesn't matter
which way you create your map as you can pick "negative image" in
most all of the mapping requestors to swap the ranges if you made the
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image backwards in regards to light and dark areas.

You now will want to take the same color map image you started with
and create a transparency map.  The transparency map will allow the
smaller ocean sphere to show through between the continents.

Make the water areas white and the continent areas black.  Anything
white will be transparent while black areas are opaque.  Save this
map as worldtransmap.iff.

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On to the atmosphere/clouds.  A good example of atmosphere is the
object supplied with Lightwave in the objects/space directory called
planet.  You should load this in and do a render of it to see if it
fits your needs.  If so, you can just save the surface as atmosphere
and then load that surface onto your third sphere which should be
about 10% larger than your continents sphere.  If you want more
clouds in your atmosphere you can add them by changing your color map
info from the set color of 85 155 245 to use a texture.  Pick fractal
noise and adjust the parameters to suit your needs.

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Now you are set to load the parts into Lightwave and setup the
surfaces.

Load your globe object into Lightwave (if you saved all three spheres
out as a single Globe object) or load in your three seperate spheres
into Lightwave.  If you kept your sphere seperate then you will have
to make the water and atmosphere parented to the continents.  Please
check your manual for the use of parented objects.  If you want your
world to have the correct tilted angle as the Earth does, you will
have to additionally parent the continents to a null object that is
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rotated the correct number of degrees of tilt.  I don't know off hand
what the Earths tilt is however.  If using a single globe object you
can just parent it to the nullobject which you will tilt to the
correct angle for your purposes.

Load all three images into Lightwave.  worldcolormap.iff,
worldbumpmap.iff and worldtransmap.iff.

Ok, now you can start fiddling with your surfaces.

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Pick water and set the surface settings as I suggested in the the
water paragraph somewhere above.  Pick the continents surface and
click on surface color.  Click on texture.  Pick Spherical Image Map
and then select the worldcolormap.iff image.  Click on use texture.
Set diffuse to 100% with sharp terminator on, specular to 0,
glossiness to medium.  Zilch on the reflection settings.  Click on
Transparency, click on Texture.  Pick spherical image map and pick
worldtransmap.iff and then use texture.  All spheres should have
Smoothing ON.  Click on Bump Map, spherical image map and pick
worldbumpmap.iff and use texture.
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Pick your atmosphere surface.  Click on Load Surface (if you saved
the Atmosphere from the supplied planet) and load the atomosphere
surface you saved.  If you want to modify it as I stated above, do so
now.

At this point (if I haven't missed something) you have your planet
loaded into Lightwave in the middle of the universe tilted at the
correct angle for the Earth and looking pretty darn good.

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>  3. How can I create the massive light source of the sun.

The default Lightwave Distant light is used as the sun since it
creates the same type of rays as the sun does.  You literally don't
have to do anything to create a sun light source.  You *may* want to
rotate it to get the correct angle but moving of the distant light
source has no effect as it will hit all objects with the same
intensity no matter how far away it is.  Only the angle matters.

>  4. How can I create a convincing environment of stars

>     and galaxies to place my model.

Very easily for the stars.  Load in the objects/randomstars object
and you have a complete starfield already setup for your use!

As far as the galaxies and color clouds, I haven't played with them,
so I will leave that to others.

>  5. Lastly, how can I create the eliptical movements I need.

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This is a problem.  I ran into that problem previously and I don't
know if there is a solution except to create a ton of keyframes until
you objects move the way you want them to.  The next version of
Lightwave should address this with paths.  If you aren't following an
actual drawn path then you should be able to get away with only a few
keyframes and a repeat motion setting.

> I know this is asking a lot. Thanks for whatever you can offer,
> and hopefully I can learn enough to return the favor in the
> future.
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> Rob Aukerman

Hopefully this has been of some help.

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   First of all, thanks to everyone who helped me in creating a spraying
mist. Their hints were very valuable, if a little abstract. I think they
assumed a higher level of expertise than I possesed. I, of course, only
downloaded the instructions and not the header or sig line so I can't thank
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   First you have to create an object to be the mist. Go into Modeler and
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around it, it could disappear as you look through the back of single-sided
polygons.
   Some hints here: I need 32 sprays. If I used the default number of
polygons per cone or sphere I end up with thousands of polygons that take
forever to render (I've got a 25Mhz 030 from the Iron Age). I use the
numeric button to decrease my sphere polygons to 8 rings and 8 segments. I
depend on the smoothing function to get rid of visible planes.
   More hints: A cone seems to work as well as a teardrop. With the
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teardrop I cut away the polygons on the base of the tear. With the cone, be
sure to cut away the base polygon.
   When you've got the shape you want, move it so the apex [that's the
pointy end 8^)] is at the 0,0,0 location of the grid. Then save it and exit
Modeler.
   Call up your object in LW and press the Surface button. The surface
should be Default. Here is where you make it misty.

Select your surface color. Full 255 white is good. I'm using a slight blue
[water, you know 8^)]: 190, 230, 255.
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The Luminous, Outline Only, Sharp Terminator, and Color Highlights buttons
should not be depressed.

Here are the two *most important parameters* for mist:
Set Diffuse to 100%
Set Specularity to 0%

If you don't set Specularity to 0%, then you can't feather out the
downstream edge.
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Set Glossiness to Low.

Set Reflection Map to 0% [the default]
Reflected Image to (none)

Color Filter button undepressed

This next part is what controls the "mistyness"

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Transparency to 100%
Select Tecture

In Texture, select Fractal Noise as Texture Type

Texture Size: X=1 Y=0.6 Z=0.6
   By varying the texture size, you vary the size of the "particles" in the
   mist. For a very fine mist, X=40% of object length, Y & Z=10% By varying
   these parameters you can get a "chunkier" mist similar to the spray from
   a dry/powder aerosol deoderant [my wife says it reminds her of CO2 fog
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   in a spotlight].

Texture Center: X=0 Y=0 Z=0
   This is why you moved the apex to the 0,0,0 point on the Modeler grid.
   As the mist sprays downstream, you want it to come from the pointy end.

Falloff: X=22 Y=22 Z=22
   Here is where you feather-out the end of the spray. My numbers are based
   on a object length of 6m. The Falloff numbers are a percentage length of
   your object. If you have a 100m cone and set X,Y,Z at 10, then
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   the cone will show. If X,Y,Z were set for 20%, then the cone would fade
   out at 80% of its length. By setting Falloff to higher percentages, you
   can shorten the length of the spray.

Velocity: X=10 Y=0 Z=0
   This animates the spray. Increase X to change the "pressure" of the
   spray. Now, X, Y, and Z are arbitrary, depending on the longitudinal
   axis of your spray cone. My cone starts at 0,0,0 and gets larger
   along the X axis. A vertical spray's velocity could be X=0 Y=10 Z=0.
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   You'll have to experiment with the numbers, 10 is very fast at 30
   frames per second.

World Coordinates: undepressed

Texture Value: 25% (default is 50%)
   I'm not real sure on this one, but I think it controls the texture's
   opacity. I know I got a more ephemeral looking spray with a lower
   percentage.

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Frequencies: 5
   This controls the "density" of droplets in your spray. High numbers
   creates larger variations.

Contrast: -1.0
   The higher the contrast, the more pronounced the differences between the
   light colored particles in the spray and the background.

Select "Use Texture" and you'll get back to surface parameters main
display.
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Refraction Index: 1.0 [default]

Edge Transparency: depress "Transparent"

Edge Threshold: 50
   This controls how much the edges fall off. I don't know the parameters
   for the absolute range on this [could be -1 to +1 for all I know], but
   I don't see much difference between 50 an 200. I hope this gets better
   in LW Pro, since it doesn't seem to do a satisfactory job. Then, of

   course, I've never used it on anything else.

Bump Map: undepressed

Smoothing: depressed
   There's a minimum number of tesselations [not to be confused with circle
   tesselations in Modeler] necessary for a smooth shape. Smoothing will
   knock the edges off of a 4-sided pyramid, but it won't make it into a
   cone. I'd suggest a minimum of six [still chunky] and a maximum based
   on you're processor speed [although more than 100 seems excessive 8^)].
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Double Sided: depressed
   Use this if the camera could look down the "throat" of the spray or
   into the inside edge of the cone. Hhmm ... if the cone were created
   with two-sided polygons I wonder if this is necessary.  Any opinions?

Change the surface name and SAVE it.

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Thanks to Bob and Karl for your generous help.
Your advice is great, thanks for being so in depth.
As a beginner with such a large project, It helps to have
procedures "spelled out." If anyone else still has more
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Thanks again,

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1.  You can scale the models however you want.
2.  I'm looking for a continents texture myself.  A friend with a newer
version (though I also have Toaster 2.0) thinks he got an earth texture map
with his software, perhaps as part of a tutorial, but I don't have it on my
system.  Another person has told me of some satellite data which defines the
shapes of the continents, but I don't know where this might be available.  If
you find a good source for the texture map, post what you know.  Once you have
the texture map you can do a spherical map in lightwave onto a sphere object.
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3.  For the sun use the distant light which automatically comes up in a new
project.
4  For stars in the background create a texture map in DPaint, or generate an
accurate star field using Distant Suns (a planetarium program).
5  To create the orbits use four keyframes defining four equadistant positions
along each orbit.

Hope that helps.

Late,r
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PS.  If you don't fly the camera along w/the earth/moon, you won't be able to
show much (you'll see the sun but the earth/moon will be too small to see from
a fixed camera perspective for much of the earth's orbit).

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Hi,
    I'm not trying to start the "motion blur is way too slow for
production work, and no your wrong you don't know what the hell your
talking about you have to have motion blur to do any work at all"
argument.  What I am doing is telling you guys (and gals) what I
observed while working on a project for a friend this weekend.
    A very good friend of mine named Glen somehow got a early version
of lightwave 2.x that looked a LOT like what I've heard and read
about LightWave 3.0.  And I was doing an animation for another friend
that involved a tumbling birthday card that then opened up and a 3D
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"luv, Nick" object comes flying out.  So I decided to do it on Glen's
Toaster since he has an '040 and a single frame deck.  (some people
have all the luck)  Anyway, we rendered the flying and tumbling
birthday card with the new LightWave in medium resolution, medium
antialiasing, soft mapped shadows, and MOTION BLUR.  The resulting
animation on tape was incredeble.
    The motion blur added a lot of realism and I sware the
card looked real when it was tumbling into the scene.  Here are the
time that we got.  These times are just averages of what we saw and
are in no way benchmarks.  However, their still very impressive.  The
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Just plain rendering with nothing  : 18 sec/frame

Medium antialiasing, and soft
mapped (not traced) shadows        : 1.5 min/frame

With the above and motion blur     : Just a little over 2 min/frame

So what I'm trying to say is that the motion blur didn't add a lot of
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is probably because the card moved and fliped pretty fast.  Remeber
the space fighter scene that came with lightwave, well we rendered
a frame from that scene that had bothing fighters in it in medium res,
medium antialiasing and nothing else.  It only took 1 min and 45
sec.  The quality was far better that even high res on the current
version of the toaster.

I can't wait for LightWave 3.0  8-)

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This is probably not the appropriate group to post this, but Lightwave
is the only group I have been monitoring lately.
I am about to loose the USENET priviledges via *WORK* and will need to
setup something through home using a modem.  Can someone please
recommend an On-Line Service that would have access to several Amiga
based user groups for graphics and animation, and of course Lightwave /
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O.K,

I made the earth and the moon.

Three requests. . .

1. When I load the planets into Layout, the camera shows a view
   that seems to be looking out from somewhere inside the
   earth. In other words I cannot see the entire globe.
   I read in the manual that Layout adjusts the grid so

   you can see the entire object, however the view it is defaulting
   to is confusing and I can't tell what I am seeing. How
   can I fix this?

2. Could someone give me some clue as how to create an animation
   of the spinning earth and moon orbiting the sun. I am confused
   on what combinations of features to use. Should I move and
   rotate everything in Layout, or by using the save motion function
   in 3D's main menu, or should I use a combination of the two?

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Thanks to all who helped me get this far by answering my original
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Rob Aukerman

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O.K,

I made the earth and the moon.

Three requests. . .

1. When I load the planets into Layout, the camera shows a view
   that seems to be looking out from somewhere inside the
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   I read in the manual that Layout adjusts the grid so
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   can I fix this?

2. Could someone give me some clue as how to create an animation
   of the spinning earth and moon orbiting the sun. I am confused
   on what combinations of features to use. Should I move and
   rotate everything in Layout, or by using the save motion function
   in 3D's main menu, or should I use a combination of the two?
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Thanks to all who helped me get this far by answering my original
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Hi Guys,

I want to do the same affect as TV people do for the weather news. I want to
overlap live video over a digitized frame, and vice versa. I don't know
what I am missing, but I could not get it to work so far. Anybody out there
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I have need of a flag.  My first attempt has been unsuccessful and it has
really been bothering me.

The Object:

  There are two different types of objects I considered using.
  (1) a square defined as two-sided
  (2) a box with hardly any depth
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The Surface:

  I painted a four color flag in DPaint which is basically a blue flag wiht
  a white cross.

  BBBBWWWWBBBB  I loaded the object and the image.
  BBBBWWWWBBBB  I carefully placed the object.
  WWWWWWWWWWWW  I set the texture to planar mapping of the texture and
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  BBBBWWWWBBBB

  However, when it renders, I get top half blue, bottom half white and
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>I made the earth and the moon.

That was you!  Nice job.  Would have been nice if you'd put
Indianapolis on a warm coast however.

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>I want to do the same affect as TV people do for the weather news. I want to
>overlap live video over a digitized frame, and vice versa. I don't know
>what I am missing, but I could not get it to work so far. Anybody out there
>has any suggestions?

     The info on this process (sketchy as it is) is found on page SW13
of the manual. Basically you need to put your live video (say, a
person) against a dead black or bright white backdrop (I use either,
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in your program buss. Click on the scissor to choose Black or White
key (background dependent), and click and drag on the 3 digit number
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Has anyone created a CD object.. i know the Cd is pretty easy.. but i just
cant seem to find the right combination of textures to make it look real.

Another question.. i have just started to mess around with the modler
and did a couple of fonts.. :)  I created the outline of the font then
extrued it a bit.. my question is how do i give it 2 textures.
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This may be obvious to someone, but can't find an obvious answer.

How do I make a streamer, or snake, something similar
that bends and flows along a squiggly path?

Something like the tail of a kite that "traces" the kite's path.

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I'm wondering if anyone has any experience in creating fractal
noise functions that loop.

I'm creating an animation with fractal clouds moving off towards
the horizion.  I plan on using this as a series of background frames
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for a 2D 24 bit Animation I'm constructing.  The cloud effect I've
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loop of frames.  I'm trying to have the clouds loop every 30 to 90
frames to conserve storage space.

The surface is a square flat plane, transparancy mapped with a texture size
of X-8, Y-1, Z-15, a Z axis falloff of .5, and a Z axis velocity of 1.  The
texture value is 0 with frequency and contrast set to 1.  Neither the
cloud plane object nor the camera move during the sequence.  The
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I know there is a formula for determining looping in the ripple texture
but it does not seem to apply to fractal noise.  Any help would be
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   I'm not 100% sure about this (and those with more expertise than I can
correct me), but I think the very nature of Fractal Noise will keep you
from getting exact matches in a loop. Since fractals are pseudo-randomly
generated -- hence the term "noise" -- it's impossible to have one set of
randomly patterned fractals match up with any other set.
   On the other hand, it may be possible to match an existing pattern with
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and progresses to the right over X number of frames, you'll have to get an
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the right position when it comes back on. Sounds like a lot of trial and
error.
   A work-around might be to create a very long cloudscape animation and
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On Sat  3-Apr-1993 11:49a, ViSioNary Gfx wrote:

VG> and did a couple of fonts.. :)  I created the outline of the font then
VG> extrued it a bit.. my question is how do i give it 2 textures.
VG> one for the front and back of the obj and another for the sides?

You need to define your polygons with surfaces -- go to I think 'Options' (the
last item at the top of Modeler) and define some surface names other than
'Default'.  Then select the surface you want under the 'Polygon' menu (the
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Hello Mike (Mike Jiang). On Mar 30, you have written :

> Just plain rendering with nothing  : 18 sec/frame
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> Medium antialiasing, and soft
> mapped (not traced) shadows        : 1.5 min/frame
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> With the above and motion blur     : Just a little over 2 min/frame

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You might try making a large cylinder with the cloud texture on it and
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> On Sat  3-Apr-1993 11:49a, ViSioNary Gfx wrote:
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> VG> and did a couple of fonts.. :)  I created the outline of the font then
> VG> extrued it a bit.. my question is how do i give it 2 textures.
> VG> one for the front and back of the obj and another for the sides?
>
> You need to define your polygons with surfaces -- go to I think 'Options' (the
> last item at the top of Modeler) and define some surface names other than
> 'Default'.  Then select the surface you want under the 'Polygon' menu (the
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> VG> Steve

Pretty much the right idea Steve;

 Step 1:  Create the names for your surfaces under the 'Options' menu with
          the 'Surface' button.  (something to keep in mind here is, once
          you type in the name of your surface, you MUST click the 'create'
          button.  you cant just hit return.)
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          the available selection methods (point, polygons, volume)
          Select the polygons you want to be a certain surface, then
          select the 'surface' button on the left and pick out your
          surface name..

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> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience in creating fractal
> noise functions that loop.

Unfortunately, the math used to create fractal noise is non-periodic and
therefore cannot be looped. However, there are a few alternatives. Perhaps
the easiest is the suggestion I saw posted by Eric Case:

You might try making a large cylinder with the cloud texture on it and
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If not a cylinder, a sphere would work as well.

The other option may not be appropriate for your application but does work
for creating looping fractal noise. It involves creating two animations.
Basically, start by doing your entire anim from frame 1-90 and save the output
as RGB files. Now, add an offset to your cloud texture so that what was frame
1 is now frame 90. Next, load your 90 frames as an image sequence and select
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little cartridges don't stand up well to all the shuttling required in
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Hi,
    Does anyone knwo where I can find a REALISTIC (as in color and
of the continents and oceans as seen from space) and detailed image
of the earth to use as an image map?  I need one of those rectangular
ones with all the continents on it.  I thinks their called mercator
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> 1. When I load the planets into Layout, the camera shows a view
>    that seems to be looking out from somewhere inside the
>    earth. In other words I cannot see the entire globe.
>    I read in the manual that Layout adjusts the grid so
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    Try changing the grid size to perhaps about 50m.  That should make
the Earth and moon visible.  Once you can see what your doing it should be
fairly easy.  I'm not sure about the 50m.  If that's to small try 100.
You'll prabably have to move the camara closer to the Earth, so just "reset"
the camara position the move it out of the Earth.  Don't forget to change
the grid size first.

> 2. Could someone give me some clue as how to create an animation
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>    of the spinning earth and moon orbiting the sun. I am confused
>    on what combinations of features to use. Should I move and
>    rotate everything in Layout, or by using the save motion function
>    in 3D's main menu, or should I use a combination of the two?

    OK, this is a little involved.  You will need to load three null
objects.  Parent the Earth to null obj. #2, and parent null obj. #2 to
null obj. #1.  Then move the null obj. #2 to where the Earth would be
in relation to the sun.  NOTE we will pretend that the sun is at 0,0,0.
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    Next parent null obj. #3 to null obj. #2.  Parent the moon to null
obj. #3, and move the moon to where it would be in relation to the Earth.
Be sure to create a key frame for everything.

    Rotate obj. #3 360 degrees, and make a key at whatever frame you
think should be a month.  You should rotate on the heading axis.  Also
make sure the man in the moon is looking at the Earth.
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    Now rotate the Earth 360 degrees, and make a key at whatever frame
you think should be a day.  Again on the heading axis.

    Rotate obj. #1 (or sun whichever obj. #2 is parented to) 360
degrees, and make a key fram at whatever frame you think should be a full
year.  Yes the heading axis.

    Last the Earth's axis is tilted at an angle.  To get this simply
rotate the Earth (in the pitch axis) exactly 23.5 degrees.  I looked it
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up.  That is, however, the only figure I can give you.

    What to parent the camara to may vary with what you want to show.
Experament.  Just remember when you parent if it is at 0,0,0 it will be at
the center of what you parented it to.

> 3. Is Record the function that will save an animation sequence?

    Yes.

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    Sorry, made some mistakes because I was about to run out of time.

    Make sure to make all the frames where you rotate the Earth, Moon,
and null obj. #1 (sun) 360 with an end behavior of repeat.

    By the way my name is't what I signed it as.  Oops.


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Should be on any of the  amiga.physik.unizh.ch  mirror sites:

pix/misc/earth.lha        485K+Grey and color mercator projection of Earth


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> Anyway possible to pop the mailing list article archive on a ftp site somewhe
>
> I requested the file via the mail server and the server choked on the user
> (anonymous) request and failed.  I'd prefer getting it off a ftp site as one'
> mailbox can easily fill up when one doesn't check in every day.  :)
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> Render on, dudes and dudettes!

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User login/password pair failed message even though it doesn't fail.

I am trying to figure that one out.

Try again if you don't mind.

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I requested the file via the mail server and the server choked on the user
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I have a friend here at school who would like to know what programs
(commercial, shareware, or others) are availible to create your own fades and
transitions for the toaster. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in
advance...

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hi,
i have been experimenting with printing out lightwave images.
i render at 1504x960 (adpro and imagemaster are unable to handle larger
images with my 9megs :-( ), convert to TIFF, transfer to AMAX,
and take to a service which prints out dye sub prints or canon color xerox
images. The images print out beautifully, but completely "aliased", i.e.
the jaggies. How are people avoiding this ? Are you post-producing the images
using the "blur" or "anti-aliasing" commands in an image processing package?
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Any suggestions ? I will also be going out to slides, and will have the same
problem i assume with the "jaggies".
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What do all you power users recommend for getting text into lightwave?

I know there's a number of converters and whatnot, but what I'm looking
for is a method or list of programs that will get the most letters/fonts
into lightwave.

I'm thinking there's got to be a way to
1) get the multitude of true-type fonts into both the Toaster CG and Lightwave
2) layout lines of text without having to load each letter.
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Yes folks, I've finally found some server software that will allow you
all to request an archive of all articles ever posted to the Lightwave
3D mail list from the very first day when I was testing the list!

What I would like is for someone to spend some time organizing it into
some sort of order with a possible index.  Also to weed out all those
subscription and admin posts then send them back to me so I can make the
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unless someone else has a better suggestion.

Once I increase my system to 500 megs and add the CD-ROM drive there
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purchasing the Graphics CD-ROM disk which has around 500 megs of
graphics goodies and I will be making that available via server as soon
as I can scrape up the change for the drive.

Anyway, for those of you interested in obtaining all the articles ever
posted to this list till about March of this year (a 450k LHA file),
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Send a mail message to [e-mail] with the following in
the text of the message (Make the subject something like LWArchive
Request):

user anonymous
cd lightwave3d
binary
get lwarc0192.lha
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The above will uuencode the file and then split it into 11 pieces and
mail it off to your mailbox for you to join, uudecode and then
unarchive.

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the quit command and the help file will also be sent.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 1993, John Stetzer wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 16:15:42 -0400
> From: John Stetzer <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Editors for the toaster transitions
>
> I have a friend here at school who would like to know what programs
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> (commercial, shareware, or others) are availible to create your own fades and
> transitions for the toaster. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in
> advance...
>
> John W. Stetzer III
> [e-mail]
>
>

John:
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I use Toaster Toolkit, along with DeluxePaint IV.  Not a bad combination
for the money.  There's an article in September's ['93] AVideo (Brent Malnack)
that reviews TTK.

Other programs exist, but I haven't used them as yet.  Another is
WipeMaster, and I think a program called Montage allows custom effects as
well.  If I can dig up the magazines that mention those programs, I'll be
glad to post what I find to this group.  Maybe someone else will beat me
to it.  Hopefully, anyway.
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-- Geary

Here is the address I have for the authors of TTK.  Hope it's still good...

Toaster Toolkit
The Byte Factory
2317 S. W. 31st Street
Oklahoma City, OK  73119-2009
405.631.BYTE
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ps. I've also seen ads (for TTK) as low as $143 through mail order houses.
DPIV is about the same.

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I have done a little adjusting of the server here at bobsbox and I have
enabled the GID for the Anonymous user. (Sorry about that..<grin>)

The server will now accept anonymous logins without erroring on the
username/password pair (yes I tested it).

I will include the short info file for those of you who may want to use
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There has been some trouble parsing some addresses which do not conform
to the standard Internet style addressing scheme or the typical bang
path scheme.  Internet being [e-mail] and bang path
being siteA!siteB!usersite!username.

The problems have been with addresses such as:

"firsname lastname" <address>

The software doesn't seem to be parsing anything after firstname.  If
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you have such an address and have requested the archive please
re-request it putting a REPLYTO command in your request with either the
Internet or bang style address in there.

Without further ado, here is the initial info file for those who wish to
connect to the service as a registered user.  For those of you who will
be submitting items I suggest you register with the system and leave me
a registration message stating that you plan to submit and I will give
you higher server access so you can PUT items in the server.

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simply be called "members" and will be located in the Lightwave3D
directory.

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                THE GRAPHICS BBS  908/469-0049

Welcome to The Graphics File-Server!   [e-mail]
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The first command to the server must be "HELP" or "USER name <passwd>".

Use HELP to request a current copy of the helpfile.
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Steven J. Koster writes:
> What do all you power users recommend for getting text into lightwave?

> 1) get multitude of true-type fonts into both the Toaster CG and Lightwave
> 2) layout lines of text without having to load each letter.

I won't take the wind out of NewTek's sails by telling you what they have
done but I will say, keep an eye on what is shown/announced at NAB next week.
I think you will be very pleased.
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Special announcement to those on the list in the New England area....
Next week on Tuesday April 20th, I will be giving a presentation on
LightWave 3D to the Boston Computer Society's Amiga Users Group
I will show many of the program's advanced features and demo a variety of
useful tips and techniques. As an added bonus, NewTek has authorized me
to give a full demo of the new LightWave 3.0 software.

Time:      7:30 pm
Date:      Tuesday April 20th
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  Does anyone know  best Ethernet card for large file transfreing? I want to
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>I hope to have an IP address in the very near future.
>Bob Lindabury

       Well Hurry !  :)

Your Fan
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>Special announcement to those on the list in the New England area....
>Next week on Tuesday April 20th, I will be giving a presentation on
>LightWave 3D to the Boston Computer Society's Amiga Users Group
>I will show many of the program's advanced features and demo a variety of
>useful tips and techniques. As an added bonus, NewTek has authorized me
>to give a full demo of the new LightWave 3.0 software.
>


AAAUUURRRGGGHHH!!!  First I can't make it to NAB and now I'm gonna miss
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this!!  Mark, can you e-mail us a brief overview of LW 3.0 after its
announced?

Btw, how did you get so "in" with these people.
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   Now that I'm near the crest of the Toaster learning curve I'm giving
serious thought to going out on my own. What I'm thinking of is a business
that would primarily be a 3D effects shop but would also do medium-end
video work. I don't intend to start next week -- I'll probably wait until
the Toaster works with the 4000 and the Digital Editmaster is out. What I
need is advice from you ToastMasters who are already making money at this.
   What is the optimum equipment list to produce professional results?
   How about some details on acquiring clients?
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   What kind of dollar figure is needed to get started?
   ANYTHING else you might think is important.
   I'll be waiting with a worm on my tongue (read: baited breath). Thanks a
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Hola -

At the last LA Toaster Users Group meeting, David Hopkins (of Taming The Wave
fame) and David Thompson tossed out an idea they're hoping to see through to
fruition.  For thoroughly accurate details, you should watch Dave's VTU
column over the next couple months, but I thought some people might like to
hear about it & start planning.

Very basically, Dave^2 would like to set up a cross country/international
gang-render of a fictional city, where anyone interested would be given one
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city block, building code specs (ie doorways are this high, etc), and a few
other parameters, and would then be asked to populate the city block with
buildings, public spaces, art, whatever, in 1:1 scale.  The Daves would then
take all these scene files, put them together, and render out a flythrough of
the city to tape, with the possibility of submission to SIGGRAPH or some
other CG event, in an effort to show off the quality of LW & LW users.  Plus,
everyone who contributed would be getting a copy of the tape as well.

I've seen these group project ideas come and go, mostly go, but if there's
anyone with the dedication & resources to pull this off, what with the
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distribution his column gets, it's Dave Hopkins.  Hopefully, he'll be
willing to see it through -- I take it he was pretty impressed with the
quantity/quality of the submissions he got for his Waterfall puzzler, and
thinks there's enough talent out there to give it a go.

That's all I know, but keep watching his column, and I'll post any updates I
gather from the TUG meetings.

Ciao, bella -
Ivan Ivanick     [e-mail]
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> AAAUUURRRGGGHHH!!!  First I can't make it to NAB and now I'm gonna miss
> this!!  Mark, can you e-mail us a brief overview of LW 3.0 after its
> announced?
>
> Btw, how did you get so "in" with these people.
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 Mr. Thompson is very good at what he does, along with actually
using a program, not just being a beta-tester for the sake of getting a free
copy, are the usual ways for someone to get 'in' with a developer.

(I'm sure Fred F. and the next Newtek demo reel also had something to do with
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Hello John (John Stetzer). On Apr 12, you have written :

> I have a friend here at school who would like to know what programs
> (commercial, shareware, or others) are availible to create your own fades and
> transitions for the toaster. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in
> advance...

    Although I'm a pleased ImageMaster user, GVP/Nova Design have announced
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    If you didn't get the post in c.s.a.graphics, I can send it to you.

    If you need more informations about this product, try to contact
    Kermit Woodall (sp?) at : [e-mail]. He's a nice guy and
    he will answer your questions for sure.

    The product is available at : Byrd's Eye Software, 9001 Northgate Blvd,
    #135, Austin, TX 78758 [phone]

    Sincerely,
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I'm having a little trouble getting some info so I will turn to this
forum.  I have an accelerated Toaster and want to share rendering
with a 2nd accelerated workstation via Parnet.  Since the system is
still in the planning stage, I'm gathering info to save me from
completely screwing up.  First, can I run both Toasters from one
drive, ie. only one Toaster software set-up.  I'm planning on using
both stations to render and save to a 2 Gig Fast SCSI 2 drive residing
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in the first machine.  I have never been aware that Lightwave ever
needs the drive except to save the rendered frames. Second, is there a
way to have the second machine
crunch and render without actually having a Toaster board in it.  I
think this is an impossibility, but it never hurts to ask.  Also, if
someone has a clear diagram of how a parnet cable is designed, I'd
appreciate it.  The documentation with the parnet software leaves a
bit to be desired, and according to the instructions, incorrect
wiring may lead to death and destruction of the connected machines.
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>   Does anyone know  best Ethernet card for large file transfreing? I want to
> set up my Amiga<-> Pc

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I'm not sure why someone would choose one over the other because the hardware
is relatively generic. I do know that the 2065 (which I have) has both thicknet
and thin net connections. What is really more important is the supporting
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which I have liitle experience with. What ever solution you choose however,
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> AAAUUURRRGGGHHH!!!  First I can't make it to NAB and now I'm gonna miss
> this!!  Mark, can you e-mail us a brief overview of LW 3.0 after its
> announced?

NewTek will most likely be mailing stuff out to current owners but I'll see
what I can do if I get a chance.

> Btw, how did you get so "in" with these people.

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of the first pre release LightWave at an AmiExpo in NYC many years ago.
I asked lots of detailed technical questions (the kind a graphics engineer
would ask) and they asked if I would be interested in beta testing. The
following years I kept in touch with NewTek but largely as an outsider. I
talked more frequently to Allen and Lee Stranahan. It wasn't until last year
at Siggraph when I showed previews of Fred Floaty to Paul Montgomery that I
started to get back into the "in" crowd. They were pretty blown away by the
final release and thats about the time I really started to get sucked in.
NewTek is is a rather unique company in that no other place I am aware of
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Hi all!

I'm a freelance 3D animator and have recently been negotiating with a
potential client for creating an architectural-style animation.

He kind of choked when I told him what I would charge him for it; not that
my price was high, but he hadn't had many animations done for him like this.

In any case, to put his mind at ease I'd like to hear some expert's impressions
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He'd give me blueprints of a house which he wants to use in the animation.
Here are the different animations he'd like done,

1. General fly-by of the house
2. Remove the roof and examine the plan view while overlaying the plumbing
   flow.
3. Show a still of the house with the sun as it appear in summer and winter.
4. Animate the sun passing over the house during the day.

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The length of each animation will be pretty average... 10 sec or so.

I'd like to hear a *rough* estimate of what you'd charge for this type of
project.  I know I didn't give enough info here to be accurate, but I just
want a feel for the ballpark.  I want this unbiased, so I'm not including the
price *I* pitched to the client.

If you don't feel comfortable posting your estimate to the whole group,
please e-mail me privately.  I will not divulge the results.

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Well I seem to be a bit confused about lightwave 3.0 and pro? are they the same?Also someone told me that one of the versions will be a stand alone unit from
the toaster?  Ehhh Mark don't knock Topeka!  I live 1/2 hr away from there.
:) some please clear up the 3.0 or PRO?  Will 3.0 be just an upgrade with
toaster 3.0 and PRO the professional package that you have to spend some
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> >   Does anyone know  best Ethernet card for large file transfreing? I want to
> > set up my Amiga<-> Pc
>
> I am aware of two soultions and those are the Commodore 2065 and ASDG's card.
> I'm not sure why someone would choose one over the other because the hardware
> is relatively generic. I do know that the 2065 (which I have) has both thicknet
> and thin net connections. What is really more important is the supporting
> software which is sold seperately. I own the Commodore AS225 TCP/IP NFS software
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> it is definately not the best solution since it doesn't support full peer to
> peer networking. I understand the Elan software (DFS I think its called) is
> vastly superior. Ofcourse it depends on what you will have on the IBM side.
> If the PC isn't running TCP/IP NFS, it probably has that goofy Novell jazz
> which I have liitle experience with. What ever solution you choose however,
> should be no problem for large file transfers.

Doesn't GVP also market an ethernet solution, with peer-to-peer networking
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boards back around the time the A3000 was introed.  He said that the Commodore
board wouldn't perform quite as good as another available board because of
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>Well I seem to be a bit confused about lightwave 3.0 and pro? are they the same?Also someone told me that one of the versions will be a stand alone unit from
>the toaster?  Ehhh Mark don't knock Topeka!  I live 1/2 hr away from there.
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There is no stand-alone version of Lightwave coming out.  That was a
thought many months ago but the idea was canned by NewTek quite some
time ago.  The tentative name for it was Lightwave Pro from what I
understand but now the whole thing has been rolled into the Toaster
upgrade software and Lightwave will be called Lightwave 3.0 as will
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Ok, so I'm out here in Vegas and the NAB (National Association of
Broadcasters) Convention starts tomorrow (Monday 19 April 93) but today
NewTek held a preview in a ballroom at Caeser's Palace. About 1000
people stuffed themselves with finger sandwiches, fancy little pastries
and glugged down various liquids, and then were treated to opening remarks
by James Dionne, Pres. of Commodore Business Machines, who said that
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Then Tim Jenison & Paul Montgomery (the two founders of NewTek) took
the stage, talked about their company history a bit, showed a
large-screen 3 min NBC Nightly News segment about the Toaster (which
I believe aired late last year) and then announced Video Toaster 4000,
the new model which, you guessed it, operates in an Amiga 4000.

This was followed by an appx 10 min taped presentation, a roller-coaster
style quick-cut video montage, narrated by Ken Nordine, which blasted
through various Toaster 4000 improvements and additions: a greatly
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enhanced Character Generator, pretty amazing new wipe effects, the
long-rumored new LightWave (with, they emphasized "realtime" playback
of a 3D animation without going to tape first), and a buncha other stuff.

I grabbed a copy of a 4-page tear-sheet, basically a pre-re-print from the
upcoming issue of AVID Publications' Video Toaster User magazine, and
on the back of this thing are listed "Top Eleven Video Toaster 4000
Features" and here they are:

11. New hardware allows incredible new effects and adds a great looking
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genlock and user-adjustable hue controls

10. Insanely cool new effects.. and lots of 'em

9. Real-time digital recording lets you record and playback LightWave
animations using with keying and alpha channel drop shadows!  (That
sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, I think it's a typo). Animations
can be controlled directly from the Switcher

8. Mouse-controlled character generator lets you 'drag and drop' text
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anywhere you want, with the ability to change fonts, and adjust
colors, styles and other effects on a character-by-character basis!

7. Compugraphic font support in ToasterCG and Postscript font support
in both CG and LIghtWave.  CG automatically spaces letters properly.
Over 300 fonts are included and outline fonts adn be up to 400
lines tall!

6. The completely rewritten ToasterCG lets you directly load images
as backgrounds, and ToasterPaint brushes as graphic elements. Also
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you can now draw semi-transparent boxes for putting text in, over and
around.

5. LightWave 3D does the impossible -- becomes even easier to use
and gives you better looking images with even lower render times.

4. New hyper-realistic effectsin LightWave let you create images with
lens flares, "out-of-focus' effects and soft-edge shadows

3. Great new LightWave Modeler features that let you draw curves, cut
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holes in objects and create text objects as easily as you can type

2. Eight zillion other cool new features in LightWave and MOdeler

1. But wait, there's more... all this comes at an even lower price!

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I'm not a Toaster owner, I don't work for nor speak for NewTek or
Commodore, I don't take $$ from either of them, and I'm just
passing along this info since I'm sure a lot of people will be
interested not only in CBM's cooperation with NewTek but with this
new model Toaster 4000.

Tomorrow I shall visit the NAB Convention proper and see what there is
to see there at the NewTek booths, ASDG, Centaur (Opal) Development,
VTU's "pavillion" of many Amiga/Toaster vendors, and whatever else
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I'll either type in some tidbits as time permits before leaving Vegas
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Harv
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I need to find out what the average prices are for animations.

I've been doing some simple flying logos that have been outputted from DCTV
to 3/4 SP and BETACAM.  How much would you guys charge for something like
this (considering there were no single-framing involved)?

How much would you charge for single framing a simple animation (200-300
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How much for simple (not full-motion) morphs?
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Hi Everybody,

Does anybody know what does Assemble Edit mean, and when one would use this
feature, and when someone is looking for a VTR - is it nice to  have this
feature?

Thanks.

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>Hi Everybody,
>
>Does anybody know what does Assemble Edit mean, and when one would use this
>feature, and when someone is looking for a VTR - is it nice to  have this
>feature?
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>Thanks.
>

    Well I won't claim that I know a whole lot about video editing,
but I will try to answer.  Please fell free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    Okay, there are basically 2 or 3 types of edits you can do on
most pro-sumer tape decks.

    1] RECORD: ie: press record and play....you will put down oyu
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data on the tape, but the beginning pt and end point may not be stable
enough to hold another edit from that point....ie:you may see a glitch
there.  Usually, you use this when you put black on the whole tape
(striping a tape) first.

    2] Assemble, this will add a perfect cut of the new video, at
the point you set the tape to edit from... Ie:  if you have a video
shot, and now you want to cut to another picture, you can use this.
(the one above would give you a jump and glitch, this won't).  However,
this is not insured to give you a perfect out point.  ie: the point
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where this new video stops will not be stable.  Thus if you want to add
a cut EXACTLY where you stopped the assemble edit, you can't.  You will
have to go back at least a few frames and start a new assemble
edit from there.

    Now, 1&2 don't require that the tape is allready striped, ie: it
could be straight out of the box.  So, you can say create a video out of
cut shots as long as you just use assemble, ie:record scene 1
=+extra, thense assmble scene 2 + extra, then 3....etc...  But..what
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scene 2 is too long, and you want to put another scene over part of it?

    3] Insert.  This requires that previous video (stable control
track) is on the tape from the in point to the out point.  This will
create a perfect cut in/out scene with no glitches.

    So, you could say, record black or assemble black onto the whole
tape, and then use insert mode to insert sequences of video in for your
final product.  Actually this is used alot.  What you may do is for a
wedding or something, assemble your tape, then with source from far away
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This will make for a nice mix of far and long shots, even if the far
shot isn't from the right time, since the audio is staying constant, and
far shots don't reveal any detail, like lips moving wrong.  Note: this
is all just cuts, if you want to dissolve between the 2 shots, you'l
need what's called A-B roll capability.  (ie: time-code + 2 players and
1 recorder).


    I think if the deck supports inser editing, it has assemble, but
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Just talked to Bob @ NT and he told me a little bit more:

The price of the New Video Toaster 4000 will be $2,395

We should see alot more in the first and second weeks of May..

And the "scheduled" ship date is suppose to be in the first part of June!


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Ok.... here goes.

This will need several assumptions.
1) Audio(sound) is seperate from video(picture).
2) Audio can have more than one track (ie, stereo).
3) Tape is any video tape (ie, VHS, S-VHS, 3/4" Umatic, Beta, ect. I
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Editing is what you call combining 2 or more parts of video source
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Editing, and Assembly Editing. Assembly Editing is placing a video and
audio signal onto a brand new tape. This writes all needed sync and
control codes onto the tape along with the picture and sound. These
sync and contol signals MUST exist for a tape to be played. Insert
Editing is what you call overwriting a video and/or audio section on a
tape, but leaving the sync and control sections alone. For example:
you can record something on your camcorder, and put a music soundtrack
over it later. There are 3 types of Insertion that I know of: Audio
(L), Audio (R), and Video.

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Depending on what you are doing with the VCR, determines what features
you will need on it. If you are going to do single-frame recording,
(ie, lightwave -> tape) you should get this feature. It will be needed
by a VCR controller to place the frames on the correct spot on the
tape. (There is another thing called time code that you'll need, but
more on that later.) Unless you are going to do some video editing
other than plain old copying, you shouldnt really need it for home
use.

Time Code: A handy little code that specifies EXACTLY where on a tape
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you are. There are built in counters that vary about 1 frame every
pause, but this leads to jerky motion when placing animations to tape.
You will need an additional time code, and this will make things a LOT
smoother. An example of a time code specification is SMPTE, which is
the current industry standard.

I hope this helps, and mail me if you need me to explain it further,
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    I am thinking about making some animations to put on tape
However, I can't do true animations because I don't have a deck.  I do
have Rend 24, View 3, and the ability to record to tape.  I need to ask
some questions about this before I actually start.

    1.  I need to know how long of an animation I'm capable of
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        what are the limits (if any) of View 3?  Also if this is
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    2.  When I have used Rend 24 something annoying has happened.  I
        allmost allways get an ILBM save failed message.  It doesn't
        seem to affect the finished animation but, does keep me from
        rendering without having to click "continue" for every frame.
        What's the ILBM?  Why does it fail? And how can I avoid it?

    Just a couple of details and I'll shut up.  The most I'v had the
patience to render is two seconds and I think I have 4 meg of ram but, I'm
not certain.  Could I get a pointer on marble textures.  I allways get
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wait to see a price!

    Thanks!  Everyone on the list has helped me so much allready that
I can bearly keep my heart rate down when I'm reading my mail!

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> Hi Everybody,
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> Does anybody know what does Assemble Edit mean, and when one would use this
> feature, and when someone is looking for a VTR - is it nice to  have this
> feature?
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Every VCR that records uses Assemble mode to record information onto
tape.   Assemble means that the recording process will re-record over
all tracks (video, audio1 and audio2) erasing what was previously
there.

The mode to be concerned about is Insert edit mode and frame accuracy.

Insert editing allows you to lay down black on an entire master tape
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erasing what was previously there.  This is how all professional
editing onto videotape is done.  Assemble editing is only done when
first setting up the tape for the initial edit.  Some people will
assemble edit to a degree but usually anything that requires any
finesse is insert edited.

The Personal Single Frame Controller from Nucleous Electronics will
allow you to "stripe" a tape and then it insert edits the frames of
an animation onto that tape.

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Striping a tape lays down the initial video (black), control track
(which lays reference marks on the tape) as well as time code (which
is a very accurate reference system).

If you are going to do alot of editing it is important to have a deck
with some sort of frame accuracy.  +-1 frame is preferrable.
Personally if the deck is not frame accurate, I can't use it in my
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I have a question about the Toaster 4000 version of Lightwave:  Will there be
a switch to turn off the updating of the framebuffer when rendering?

Often whem I'm rendering I'm also doing something else on my multitasking
Amiga.  Lightwave multitasks fine and I can lower its priority so I don't
really notice it's there, except when it draws to the Toaster frame buffer.
It has a need to flash my Amiga monitor screen when drawing to the frame
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especially as updating the frame buffer display has a slight time cost (adds
about a second to each frame's rendering time).

Here's my vote for this option.

Later,
 -Jamie

PS. The new lightwave looks cool!

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What upgrades are there for present Toaster owners? Software? New card?
Anything other than getting a Toaster 4000?

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 From What I know about the New toaster... It will fit in all machines. With
the new toaster apparently there will be a deal to buy a 4000 cheaper...
And the new software will work on the old card but you wont get all the
REAL cool new 4000 features... But you will get the new CG Etc.. Etc..

And there will be a hardware upgrade deal.


All sounds good to me... Pity it is all to expensive to me ;)
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> Any suggestions ? I will also be going out to slides, and will have the same
> problem i assume with the "jaggies".
> thanks
> kevin
> [e-mail]

Hi Kevin,

When you save out your images are you using the save full size image switch
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if so turn it off, and just save the image regularly, but still render
in the higher resolution.

This will take care of your problem getting it into AdPro.  There is a way
to get bigger images into AdPro that memory restrictions wont allow (have
to look in the manual though)..

I have shot frames out to film and they look great!  The only draw back is
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Greetings,

     Last week someone posted Harvs'([e-mail])
     article on the new Toaster 4000 etc. He promised, and has since
     posted more info on NAB & Toaster stuff on comp.sys.amiga.graphics
     and comp.sys.amiga.misc(on USENET). I have no access to USENET(or
     at least havent taken the time to figure it out).

     Could the person that posted the last article on this list(anyone
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     THANK YOU

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> From [e-mail] Tue Apr 27 14:34:56 1993
>
>  From What I know about the New toaster... It will fit in all machines. With
> the new toaster apparently there will be a deal to buy a 4000 cheaper...
>
> And there will be a hardware upgrade deal.

What about PAL video?!? No one has answered that yet!

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> What upgrades are there for present Toaster owners? Software? New card?
> Anything other than getting a Toaster 4000?
>
> Thanks


I downloaded this from a NewTek Forum on another system.  Can't
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evidently comes from a NewTek sales rep (4/19/93).

Upgrades will be priced as follows:

$799 - Toaster 3.0 upgrade for original Toaster system. (Includes
LW 3.0!)

$1200 - 3.0 & 4000 Toaster HW upgrade. (You send your old board,
and one disk from old software.) (The new board WILL run in an
older system, just without any of the benefits of the AGA
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chipset. You can then put it in a 4000 when you get one.)

$1800 - 4000 Toaster board AND 3.0 upgrade for old board. (You
keep your old board, just send in disk.) (Yowza!) (This way, you
can keep your old system to render LW3.0 animations, and model on
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> What upgrades are there for present Toaster owners? Software? New card?

I don't think the official price has been decided yet but the numbers that
were tossed around at NAB were:
$800   Toaster software only upgrade
$1200  Toaster software and hardware upgrade (return old Toaster)
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Given the attractive hardware upgrade possibility that is being discussed, a
key question for many of us becomes how much benefit the new hardware provides
when used in a 2000?  What does the new hardware give you that the software
alone does not (other than future potential to upgrade to a 4000)?

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Now that the toaster works on AGA machines, does anyone know if
Lightwave and the Modeler will support the new AGA screen modes?  It
would be really nice to be able to run these programs in Super72 screen
modes.  I wonder if a board like the Retina will be able to act as a
display device for these programs.  Modeler in 1280x1024...wow!

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Good question.  I would also like to know what limitations are likely with
3.0 in an existing system.

Such as:  does lightwave render at the same ratio? Are other features
included in 4000 transparent with an older Amiga system (2500)?

Specifically, what bang for the buck do older system users get with the
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> Given the attractive hardware upgrade possibility that is being discussed, a
> key question for many of us becomes how much benefit the new hardware provides
> when used in a 2000?  What does the new hardware give you that the software
> alone does not (other than future potential to upgrade to a 4000)?

The big question is, is the Toaster4000 (I would have thought they would have
come up with a less Amiga specific name) going to work in the 2000?

The new Toaster is an inline video slot-zorro slot design. This configuration
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Zorro III board which will never work in a 2000 even if you extend a bus slot
to the video slot or the video slot to a bus slot.

Just pray C-A, Inc's upgrade for current Toaster rumors are true and that it
is a good deal (and that it covers the 4000T "IDE??? NOT!!!")

David     -__@_
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This is the message I just recieved regarding the possibility of running
Lightwave on the Retina graphics board.

>Okay, I have you an answer.
>
>Lightwave does not work with Retina because it opens its graphic
>display as a viewport, but the other modules work: switcher, CG, paint, etc.
>
>Mark

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> > I will also be going out to slides, and will have the same
> > problem i assume with the "jaggies".
Scott Jones writes:
> When you save out your images are you using the save full size image switch
> if so turn it off, and just save the image regularly, but still render
> in the higher resolution.

Ofcourse in LW3.0, antialiasing is independant of resolution and you can now
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This is due to a new feature that allows limited region rendering. Just choose
one of the 5 preset resolutions that accomodate the desired size, and then
draw out a box in the layout view that describes the actual desired view
or resolution. When you save the RGB image, it will be the dimension of your
limited region box. This works for animation as well. But back to printing.
The antialiasing settings are variable allowing 5, 9, or 17 passes with an
adaptive edge detection routine that causes the additional passes to be made
only on perceived edges. Medium res with 5 pass antialiasing produces better
results than LW2.0 high res did. 3008 x 1920 with 9 passes is stunning for
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> does lightwave render at the same ratio? Are other features
> included in 4000 transparent with an older Amiga system (2500)?

LW currently has 3 selectable aspect ratios: Toaster/D2 (the one you have
always used), D1, and square pixels. But as I mentioned in my previous post,
output resolution is no longer tied to multiples of video resolution, ie you
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> Specifically, what bang for the buck do older system users get with the
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I can't speak for the hardware but the software upgrade (particularly for LW)
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Getting a Zorro II/Video BUS Inline slot can't be that difficult (to
use the Toaster/4000)... after all, the A2000 has both, and GVP managed
to do it for their product (IV24).

If it's Zorro III, then there must be some error in the messages posted
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> Getting a Zorro II/Video BUS Inline slot can't be that difficult (to
> use the Toaster/4000)... after all, the A2000 has both, and GVP managed
> to do it for their product (IV24).

It's not that difficult for computer people, but I think it my be a bad
marketting idea to try and make video people start opening their Toaster
workstations and add slot extenders.

> If it's Zorro III, then there must be some error in the messages posted
> previously... (at least the way I understood them)
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Obviously the answer of if it is Zorro II or III is easy to find out, but
before I know which I would like to say that it will be very disapointing
if the Toaster4000 is a Zorro II card.
Allowing the new board to fit into a 2000 has a strong argument, the need
to support all those current Toaster owners that own 2000/Toaster workstations.
But...  The bandwidth between the two bus types is so significant that,
in supporting Zorro II, you are releasing a product which is choked from
the very beginning!  Not to mention that you are locked into the same form
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Current Toaster owners, myself included, will gain a BUNCH with the 3.0
software upgrade, but what does a Zorro II based machine gain with a hardware
upgrade?  Is the ZorroII bus fast enough to support that RT anim playback
with as much image quality as possible?

Well, all this is mute anyways and my opinion does count as much as some
others. :)

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Apparently, my first message never made it out. So, here goes agin'...

I was wondering what is out there in the way of Lightwave instructional
materials ( books, tapes, etc ). I can do basic things on our toaster at
school, but I don't have the time to sit down and work with it lke I should.
Books would be preferred, but any info would help. Thanks in advance...

John W. Stetzer III
[e-mail]

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As I understand it the Toaster goes into the
video slot ONLY. Zorro II/III is irrelevant.

Zareh.

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> Getting a Zorro II/Video BUS Inline slot can't be that difficult (to
> use the Toaster/4000)... after all, the A2000 has both, and GVP managed
> to do it for their product (IV24).
>
> If it's Zorro III, then there must be some error in the messages posted
> previously... (at least the way I understood them)
>
>
  The Toaster 4000 is STILL video slot based.
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>
> Current Toaster owners, myself included, will gain a BUNCH with the 3.0
> software upgrade, but what does a Zorro II based machine gain with a hardware
> upgrade?  Is the ZorroII bus fast enough to support that RT anim playback
> with as much image quality as possible?
>
Come on guys!  The toaster RT playback is a fluke!!  you can do it RIGHT
NOW!  Its called DCTV! and its a hell of alot cheaper than the toaster
upgrade.  and best news is you dont need an A4000.  sheesh  I guess Im
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happy they added that option, I just wish they did it a little better..
you dont need ZORRO-ANYTHING for Anim-Opt-7


> Well, all this is mute anyways and my opinion does count as much as some
> others. :)
>
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Hi David (David Watters), in <[e-mail]> on Apr 28 you wrote:

: The big question is, is the Toaster4000 (I would have thought they would have
: come up with a less Amiga specific name) going to work in the 2000?

    Yep it works in the 2000, 2500 and the 3000 as well as the 4000.
The non AGA version of computers are going to be missing the extras due to
the AGA chipset ofcourse! At least thats what the people at New Tek told
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Hi Michael.C.Berger (Michael.C.Berger), in <[e-mail]> on Apr 28 you wrote:

: Good question.  I would also like to know what limitations are likely with
: 3.0 in an existing system.
:
: Such as:  does lightwave render at the same ratio? Are other features
: included in 4000 transparent with an older Amiga system (2500)?
:
    Yep alot of things do become transparent like the use of the AGA
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affects and the extra frame buffers. you only get one extra with the older
boards.

: Specifically, what bang for the buck do older system users get with the
: upgrade version?

    Lightwave still works the same on both boards!!!! The big thing
:-) You also get the new CG ... and it works fine as well. I guess the
only thing is support for AGA chips that will be missing.

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Well, it seems to be working.  Does anyone out there think that an alt.
group might be a better or an additional way to distribute our list?
Those pesky bounces each time we post certainly wouldn't be there.
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As for an alt. group....

YES! This would be a perfect idea, as it will draw in more people into
the discussions that take place on here. It will also remove a small
amount of mail from our boxes. (As i am a student, i will be gone all
summer. I'll have TONS of lightwave stuff to catch up on when i get
back in september! :) I just hope it doesnt fill our 36M mail
partition...) I vote for a newsgroup.

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> Well, it seems to be working.  Does anyone out there think that an alt.
> group might be a better or an additional way to distribute our list?

Perhaps, however not all sites take the alt groups. If you/we are
considering moving the list to a newsgroup why not do:
comp.graphics.lightwave ?

Then again, to much bandwidth could dilute the group driving some of
the more advanced users away. On the other hand it would be nice to see
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Would you make it a moderated newsgroup?

FYI at my site I gate most of the mailing lists I'm on to newsgroups,
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At first impression, I'd say "Go for it!" as it would be more convenient
reading the contents of this group along with the rest of the newsgroups
rather than intermixed with the rest of my e-mail.

On second consideration, however, a few things come to mind.
Since the mailing list is frequented by those people who are genuinely
interested enough to actually bother signing up for it.  As a newsgroup,
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Personally, I'd rather live with the e-mail rather than have the group
start bickering about which modelling package is better.

However, I seem to be able to ignore the flaming inthe newsgroups so
I suppose I'll be able to ingore it in the LW group as well.
Would it be moderated?  If so, this could help prevent things like that
to go on unchecked.

If it's moderated, I vote for going newsgroup. If not, I'd rather stay
e-mail based.

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> Come on guys!  The toaster RT playback is a fluke!!  you can do it RIGHT
> NOW!  Its called DCTV! and its a hell of alot cheaper than the toaster
> upgrade.  and best news is you dont need an A4000.

Well, not entirely. DCTV is not very friendly with the Toaster so you
generally can't use both in the same machine without some problems.
But besides that, the RT playback is seemlessly integrated with the
Toaster for all sorts of new video effects. Over the shoulder animated
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Also, the Toasterized HAM8 animation should look vastly cleaner than DCTV.
I must admit that I was disapointed when I found out I had been led astray
as to what exactly the RT playback was (ie. not hw compressed 24bit imagery),
but you can't discount the fact that it will still be a useful addition
that should easily surpass a DCTV solution. Whether or not that added
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I'm pleased to announce a new product that is perfect for Toaster owners, and e
specially Lightwave users. It's called TexTape, and what it is is a collection
of texture images on videotape. The low cost of video allows us to offer over 1
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We have rocks, marbles, woods, bricks, trees, water, glass, textiles, and many
useful miscellaneous textures.
The beauty of this tape is that it works with ANY computer system that can grab
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the Toaster, I thought I would pass this on. I just got off the phone
with the good people at DPS after talking to them about their soon to be
released Personal Animation Recorder. Here is what I know....

For those who have not yet heard, DPS (Digital Processing Systems, the people
who make the Personal TBC, V-Scope, and scads of professional video equipment)
have introduced the Personal Animation Recorder. It is a card that fits into
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whatever. It basically takes the place of a single frame capable VTR. Input
to the PAR can come directly from your favorite animation program (LW, Imagine,
Cinemorph, Morph Plus, Vistapro, etc.) or from pre-rendered files. It accepts
common image formats including IFF24 and Toaster Framestore. Outputs are
provided for Betacam, MII, Y/C, and composite. Here are some specs and
features:

Variable speed 24bit animation playback including 30 fps
Genlock input
5.5MHz video bandwidth
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768 x 482 resolution
Full 60 fields per second record and playback (no tricks)
Random access still frame retrieval
Archivable with standard tape backup software

The board uses the LSI chipset (same one in DMI's Broadcaster) except they
are not using it to do JPEG. They have front-ended the chipset with three
custom chips of their own design and are doing a proprietary compression
algorithm that they feel better meets the needs of high quality video
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animation. The board directly connects to a dedicated IDE drive that acts
as the record medium for the compressed frames. Depending on the imagery,
they are achieving 3 to 5 minutes of animation on a 500MB drive. The drive
is visible to the Amiga operating system as a physical device and may be
backed up accordingly, but it is limited as to what can be written to it.
Only supported image files may be written to the drive, all else gets sent
to the bit bucket. IDE was chosen for it simplicity of interface, steadier
continuous data bandwidth, and to dramatically reduce the cost burden to
the user (no costly SCSI-2 controller and drives to buy). [a moot point for
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off the drive in a sequential fashion to maintain the high speed data
rates, the device is not highly practical for non-linear editing (typically
a more random access operation) and is being solely targetted at animation.

With the addition of the new TBC IV, the PAR can also capture incoming
video in realtime for use in rotoscoping, special effects processing,
animated image maps, etc. For audio sychonization, DPS plans to add support
for CAMDE, Commodores SMPTE like answer to Quicktime.  (Don't ask me about
this one, I know very little about it). As for image quality, this is a
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position on the output quality. They did say it was quit good and suitable
for use in Betacam and MII environments. But even with the nebulous answer,
I put a whole lot more faith in this product than the loosely tossed around
promises of DMI's Editmaster/Broadcaster. DPS has a long history of quality
products and knows the in and outs of professional video very well.  Last
few items....

Availability: June 1st (TBC IV to be out at that time or a couple weeks later)
Price: list at $1995
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PAL users: Work is underway for a PAL version but no release dates are
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>> Current Toaster owners, myself included, will gain a BUNCH with the 3.0
>> software upgrade, but what does a Zorro II based machine gain with a hardware
>> upgrade?  Is the ZorroII bus fast enough to support that RT anim playback
>> with as much image quality as possible?
>>
> Come on guys!  The toaster RT playback is a fluke!!  you can do it RIGHT
> NOW!  Its called DCTV! and its a hell of alot cheaper than the toaster
> upgrade.  and best news is you dont need an A4000.  sheesh  I guess Im
> happy they added that option, I just wish they did it a little better..
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I guess it is pretty damn clear that you don't make any money using the
VideoToaster.

I do, I also have DCTV...  It's output quality is bad, recorded to tape it
gets exponetially worse.  It is not a professional piece of equipment.
It is, however, a GREAT way to do preview anims saving lots of money and
tape deck abuse.

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> As for an alt. group....
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This would cut out the many professional people who work in places where
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   Once again I've learned that if something sounds too good to be true,
then it usually is.
   The Amiga / Toaster magazines were touting a product recently called
AsimVTR -- that's supposed to stand for A sim[ulated] VTR. It professed to
play animations directly from your hard drive at up to 60 fps. *And* only
cost $89.
   Well, I ordered one and when I read through the documentation I found
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   OK, I could live with that. Then I read some more.
   I found that it will only animate a maximum image of 758 x 200. Not even
full Toaster letterbox. Also, playback is very dependent upon drive speed
[something I *did* expect].
   It hardly seems worth the effort. I put it on the shelf. Next time I'm
in the mood to reformat my drive and dedicate [read lose] a 10Mb chunk,
I'll install it. But, don't hold you breath.
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> > As for an alt. group....
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> This would cut out the many professional people who work in places where
> they can not recieve alt heirarchy groups.  It would also cut out those
> who participate from other networks via gateways.

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>
>    Once again I've learned that if something sounds too good to be true,
> then it usually is.
>    The Amiga / Toaster magazines were touting a product recently called
> AsimVTR -- that's supposed to stand for A sim[ulated] VTR. It professed to
> play animations directly from your hard drive at up to 60 fps. *And* only
> cost $89.
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> that AsimVTR needs it's own disk participation. Stand by to reformat the hard
> drive.
>    OK, I could live with that. Then I read some more.
>    I found that it will only animate a maximum image of 758 x 200. Not even
> full Toaster letterbox. Also, playback is very dependent upon drive speed
> [something I *did* expect].
>    It hardly seems worth the effort. I put it on the shelf. Next time I'm
> in the mood to reformat my drive and dedicate [read lose] a 10Mb chunk,
> I'll install it. But, don't hold you breath.
>    The lesson? Don't believe magazine press releases.
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>
 There is a realtime animation player called RTAP that is public domain
 that I have been using to play back anim files (you need to use rend24
 to make the toaster RGB files into an ANIM), but it sounds just as good
 and plays back your anim in realtime. No HD reformatting required..

 I really think some of these "toaster" products shouldn't have been
 released commercially. The thing is most "video" people using the toaster
 seem to know a lot about their toaster itself and not a lot about the
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 Amiga or available Amiga software (PD or otherwise) because the toaster
 and the Amiga at this point are treated as separate products by the
 magazines..

 Anyways, it would be nice to see toaster mags talk about Amiga PD more
 often, and compare commercial product categories with not so commercial
 products, because it's been my experience so far that most PD stuff is
 actually better than the toaster commercial stuff so far..

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> If you have a chance, could you summarize the new features (besides
> what has been glossed over in VTU, Avid, and AW)

Well, although VTU did cover only a subset of the new feature and changes,
and many were just glossed over, it would take a great deal of time to go
beyond what they have already presented. For every LightWave release, I have
done just that for one of the major publications, and in all probabbility,
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features that have not been talked about may not make it to this release.

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I'm new to all this, so please pardon my ignorance.  I was under the
impression DCTV is a codec-style approach to displaying full NTSC
bandwidth video, whereas HAM8 is a more limited system.  Mr. Thompson
says HAM8 provides a better image than DCTV.  I am confused.

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Mark Thompson wrote:

MT>Well, although VTU did cover only a subset of the new feature and changes,
MT>and many were just glossed over, it would take a great deal of time to go
MT>beyond what they have already presented. For every LightWave release, I
MT>have done just that for one of the major publications, and in all
MT>probabbility, I will do it again for LW3. But things are still changing,
MT>and some of the features that have not been talked about may not make it to
MT>this release. So I will hold off until the final code is out the door
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MT>of the new features works how to create a certain effect I'll be happy to
MT>fill ya in.

FYI - I'm supposed to be attending a T4000 demonstration at another dealer in
Rockford, IL on Wednesday. I suspect I'll get a better chance to ask the NewTek
representative more in-depth questions than were likely answered in the
literature or at NAB. I'll take notes and post tommorrow night on my findings.

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Hello Joe (Joe Wilson). On May 3, you have written :

> I've noticed at most of the ftp sites that if there are many pd objects
> in the Imagine format but hardly any in the lightwave format, I've even
> seen lightwave objects that were coverted to imagine, but the lightwave
> version was not available!  does anyone  know how to convert imagine
> objects to lightwave or where I can find some objects in the lightwave
> format?

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    lines ? Thanks :-)

    I think you should give a try to Interchange Plus, as it's the best
    converter actually and will let you convert from/to many different
    formats (Sculpt/Videoscape/LightWave/Imagine/IShape/ProDraw/VistaDEM...)
    and is quite fast. A DXF module is available separatly.

    Quick fix : As a freelance developper, I do not work nor speak for
    Syndesis Corporation, programmers of Interchange Plus.

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I am looking for a used Toaster 1.0 or 2.0 IF you happen to have one and
want to get rid of it please leave me mail...thank you!

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>David Schachter  writes...........
>
>I'm new to all this, so please pardon my ignorance.  I was under the
>impression DCTV is a codec-style approach to displaying full NTSC
>bandwidth video, whereas HAM8 is a more limited system.  Mr. Thompson
>says HAM8 provides a better image than DCTV.  I am confused.

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> >
> >
> > Current Toaster owners, myself included, will gain a BUNCH with the 3.0
> > software upgrade, but what does a Zorro II based machine gain with a hardware
> > upgrade?  Is the ZorroII bus fast enough to support that RT anim playback
> > with as much image quality as possible?
> >
> Come on guys!  The toaster RT playback is a fluke!!  you can do it RIGHT
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> upgrade.  and best news is you dont need an A4000.  sheesh  I guess Im
> happy they added that option, I just wish they did it a little better..
> you dont need ZORRO-ANYTHING for Anim-Opt-7

So Scott,
DCTV is that RT (30 fps) 24bit frames?

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    Talked with someone today in NewTek sales about Toaster upgrades.

    She verified that there are basically three types of upgrades:

    1 - Software only.  This includes the new CG and most of the new
        abilities of Lightwave (apparently all non-AGA functions)

    2 - Trade board.  Trade your board for the T4000 and 3.0 software.

        Plus a rebate from Commodore for the purchase of the A4000.

    3 - Buy the New T4000 + software.  Registered owners will get a
        rebate from NewTek, in addition to the Commodore rebate for
        the A4000.

    The pricing for upgrades is not set, nor are the rebates.

    All the upgrade options were a bit confusing to me, so I may have
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    may not be 100% accurate.  Registered owners will be getting
    details in the mail in the next couple weeks (hopefully).

    I think that the idea here is that you can upgrade through
    dealers that carry the Toaster... then send in for the rebate
    to NewTek... and somehow it's all connected to a rebate at
    Commodore as well for the A4000.

    I forgot to ask about a possible "T4000 Workstation".

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    She mentioned something like "actionFX" or somesuch... that have
    an audio transition that is produced along with the transition
    effect (using the Amiga's audio hardware).  Interesting.

    It sounds like it will ship on a whole boxload of disks.... maybe
    around 30?  Ug.

    Anyway...  that's as best as I can recall the conversation.

    Later...
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>     It sounds like it will ship on a whole boxload of disks.... maybe
>     around 30?  Ug.

Heh, 30 disks? You should be so lucky. Last I heard, it was about 45 disks!!!
NewTek is including something like 300 postcript fonts and a pile of new
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Nofel)
Subject: Here's some not so good details about AsimVTR

UG>   Well, I ordered one and when I read through the documentation I found
UG>that AsimVTR needs it's own disk participation. Stand by to reformat the hard
UG>drive.
UG>   OK, I could live with that. Then I read some more.
UG>   I found that it will only animate a maximum image of 758 x 200. Not even
UG>full Toaster letterbox. Also, playback is very dependent upon drive speed
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UG>[something I *did* expect].

If you convert your LW frames (736x40?) to DCTV 736x204, it should work,
the pictures just won't be interlaced. The program doesn't support interlace,
but I think you can turn on FakeLace to make the output LOOK interlace...

We had one of the AsimVTR programmers come to a local Toronto User group to
show us what AsimVTR could do for us.  Well, he brought his own machine
(A3000), but for some reason once he got to the meeting, it wasn't working.
He then installed it on a A2000 we had which it worked on, but it had
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controller disabling interrupts during HD reading), so the playback
was choppy.  We then installed it on another A3000, and got back great
playback results, somewhere around 30-45 fps, 640x400, DCTV anim.
The anim would playback smoothly at 30 fps, but faster than that, it got
a little choppy.

UG>   It hardly seems worth the effort. I put it on the shelf. Next time I'm
UG>in the mood to reformat my drive and dedicate [read lose] a 10Mb chunk,
UG>I'll install it. But, don't hold you breath.
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UG>   The lesson? Don't believe magazine press releases.

I won a copy as a doorprize, so I can't complain about being cheated
really, but I haven't installed it yet. (Have to backup my HD...)

James K.

PS: The programmer did mention that they are working on being able to use
    interlace ( > 204) pictures, and the A4000/AGA version of the program.
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>Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
>>Mike Powell <[e-mail]>

>>     It sounds like it will ship on a whole boxload of disks.... maybe
>>     around 30?  Ug.

>Heh, 30 disks? You should be so lucky. Last I heard, it was about 45 disks!!!
>NewTek is including something like 300 postcript fonts and a pile of new
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  On the subject of Toaster installation....

I don't know if this has been discussed anywhere before, but by simply
replacing the file NewTek uses to decompress the Toaster software with
the shareware program LHA (as found on aminet and bbs' everywhere) you
can speed up the installation by a fair amount. I don't know what the
exact numbers are, but after deleting some fonts by mistake the other
day I had to re-install the Toaster 2.0 s/w on my system. A file named
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"LZ.decomp" gets copied to your 'C' directory, and NewTek uses this
lz to decompress the Toaster s/w once all the pieces have been joined
together (from the 14 disks). So by removing this "LZ.decomp" file before
it decompresses the resulting "toaster.lha" file, and renaming your
program called "Lha" to "LZ.decomp" you can install the whole works in
under 15 minutes on an '030 machine (this is roughly what I timed it at,
including disk swaps).

Then just rename "LZ.decomp" back to "Lha" and you're all set. The only
drawback I noticed was that the Toaster installation screen does not
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Workbench you can watch the 'Lha' window and clearly see when it is finished.
Reboot and everything is fine.

Please Note: I can only confirm that this procedure worked for me, and saved
me some time when I was in a hurry. I will not be responsible for any
problems that may result if you try this yourself - I'm just passing along
some information that I thought might be useful to somebody at some point
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> >     It sounds like it will ship on a whole boxload of disks.... maybe
> >     around 30?  Ug.
>
> Heh, 30 disks? You should be so lucky. Last I heard, it was about 45 disks!!!
> NewTek is including something like 300 postcript fonts and a pile of new
> animations for DVEs. Should take about a week to install :-)

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Hi Stephen (Stephen Pietrowicz), in <[e-mail]> on May 4 you wrote:

:
: It would also increase the number of people that come in and rant and
: rave .advocacy style.  Unless the number of messages increases a lot,
: I think we should keep it a mailing list.
:

    I think an ALT group would be much better. One reason I do not
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have some advocacy style people it might provoke some discussions and
comparisons but it will also let the Toaster be known. I think that it
should be in the ALT.GRAHPICS or ALT.3D hiearchy. ANd the group is a good
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Hi David (David Schachter), in <[e-mail]> on May 04 you wrote:

: I'm new to all this, so please pardon my ignorance.  I was under the
: impression DCTV is a codec-style approach to displaying full NTSC
: bandwidth video, whereas HAM8 is a more limited system.  Mr. Thompson
: says HAM8 provides a better image than DCTV.  I am confused.

    David the reason why Mark sais that HAM8 is better then NTSC out
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of fringing and blurring. The other reason behind this is that it is
actually a 320 x 400 (+Overscan) format to start with since the conversion
is direct.

    HAM8... is digital it is a ham format and it can be displayed at
any resolution with a SCAN converter although using the Toaster you can
definately have 30 FPS in 736 x 482 down to tape. The format is real sharp
(even when droped down to tape... alhtough you have to watch your colors
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> > Come on guys!  The toaster RT playback is a fluke!!  you can do it RIGHT
> > NOW!  Its called DCTV! and its a hell of alot cheaper than the toaster
> > upgrade.  and best news is you dont need an A4000.  sheesh  I guess Im
> > happy they added that option, I just wish they did it a little better..
> > you dont need ZORRO-ANYTHING for Anim-Opt-7
>
> So Scott,
> DCTV is that RT (30 fps) 24bit frames?
>
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much as DCTV does.   I dont even mind that they are not REEL 24-Bit..
sheesh even the toaster isnt REAL 24-BIT.

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> Well, not entirely. DCTV is not very friendly with the Toaster so you
> generally can't use both in the same machine without some problems.
> But besides that, the RT playback is seemlessly integrated with the
> Toaster for all sorts of new video effects. Over the shoulder animated
> logos composited to your video feed is just one of the many possibilities.
> Also, the Toasterized HAM8 animation should look vastly cleaner than DCTV.
> I must admit that I was disapointed when I found out I had been led astray
> as to what exactly the RT playback was (ie. not hw compressed 24bit imagery),
> but you can't discount the fact that it will still be a useful addition

> that should easily surpass a DCTV solution. Whether or not that added
> capability is worth an extra $400 is your call.

Yes, I agree I love the way it was integrated in the toaster.. but you
gotta upgrade to an A4000 to use it.  the $400 solution..  actually now
$300 solution (DCTV) is a much cheaper way to go if this is what you
want..  I mean you could even go so far as to get a used Amiga2000HD (with
030).. and DCTV for ~$1200..  I think the real answer would be for them to
add it the real way themselves, or at least admit a weak point in the
product and add support for 3rd party boards that could do this (CBM's
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Ham8 Stuff is fine for the average user..  and will add alot to what can
be done withthe toaster..  But I dont think they are interested in
providing real-time playback for profesional Animators.  I guess they
figure we can aford the high-end VCR's, and extra time it takes to do it
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I also would like to see NewTek use the Commodore Install program for the
installation process and make each group of programs and files that go with each
program selectably installable.  That way, if I don't want to install CG and
all the fonts that go with it, I could just have LW and all objects and
necessary files installed.  If I choose to install the rest later, I could do
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A CD or SyQuest release would also be nice...
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> >
> > Well, not entirely. DCTV is not very friendly with the Toaster so you
> > generally can't use both in the same machine without some problems.
> > But besides that, the RT playback is seemlessly integrated with the
> > Toaster for all sorts of new video effects. Over the shoulder animated
> > logos composited to your video feed is just one of the many possibilities.
> > Also, the Toasterized HAM8 animation should look vastly cleaner than DCTV.
> > I must admit that I was disapointed when I found out I had been led astray
> > as to what exactly the RT playback was (ie. not hw compressed 24bit imagery),
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> > that should easily surpass a DCTV solution. Whether or not that added
> > capability is worth an extra $400 is your call.
>
> Yes, I agree I love the way it was integrated in the toaster.. but you
> gotta upgrade to an A4000 to use it.  the $400 solution..  actually now
> $300 solution (DCTV) is a much cheaper way to go if this is what you
> want..  I mean you could even go so far as to get a used Amiga2000HD (with
> 030).. and DCTV for ~$1200..  I think the real answer would be for them to
> add it the real way themselves, or at least admit a weak point in the
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> product and add support for 3rd party boards that could do this (CBM's
> MPEG, DPS Animation Recorder, or DMI's Broadcaster).. I admit that the
> Ham8 Stuff is fine for the average user..  and will add alot to what can
> be done withthe toaster..  But I dont think they are interested in
> providing real-time playback for profesional Animators.  I guess they
> figure we can aford the high-end VCR's, and extra time it takes to do it
> the old fashion way.
>
  Well, a single frame controller is still the answer for a professional
  solution. I have both a DCTV and an AGA machine.. I have been rendering
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  sometime and dumping them out as HAM_8 high resolution anims (736x482)
  via the A1200HD's composite out..

  If you don't have an AGA machine and haven't tried the HAM_8 ANIM
  solution I wouldn't judge it that quickly. I have been using an A1200HD,
  with a 68881 FPU and 6MB as a playback unit for close to 3 months right
  now.. Because of the 32 bit processor and the exta bandwidth the AGA
  chipset has and larger palette. It's doing a much better job for me
  than what the DCTV  *ever* did.. Because of the bandwidth anims with
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  they are with an A2000 and 16bit custom chips.. Anim_7 also increased
  the speed of realtime playback by about 3x for me as well..

=DonB=

PS I own a DCTV, and I suggest any user who supports the DCTV solution
  really get a good look at HAM-8 anims dumped to video, because they
  are really in for a nice suprise.. I do not recommend DCTV now that
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>> I also would like to see NewTek use the Commodore Install program for the
>> installation process and make each group of programs and files that go with
>> each program selectably installable.  That way, if I don't want to install
>> CG and all the fonts that go with it, I could just have LW and all objects
>> and necessary files installed.  If I choose to install the rest later, I
>> could do so without reinstalling whatever I had it install before.  This
>> would make it easier to recover lost files later down the road.
>>
>> A CD or SyQuest release would also be nice...
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>   The problem with that is NewTek is very worried about piracy.  They claim
> to have upgraded only 40% of the toasters from 1.0 to 2.0 and that the
> precentage of 2.0 toasters is around 80%.  The reality is that if someone
> wants it, they are going to get it NDOS disk or not.  This is a proffesional
> quality product and the purchaser should be treated like pro's.
If they DO NDOS it, at least still give the capability of doing selective
installs.  It's more than possible.  I'd rather not install CG and 300
Postscript fonts myself though I can very easily delete all files I wish
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> If they DO NDOS it, at least still give the capability of doing selective
> installs.  It's more than possible.  I'd rather not install CG and 300
> Postscript fonts myself though I can very easily delete all files I wish
> not to be on my system.

I had heard that the fonts will be an optional install. Keep in mind that
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> In light of all the discussion about realtime playback of animation on
> the Toaster, I thought I would pass this on. I just got off the phone
> with the good people at DPS after talking to them about their soon to be
> released Personal Animation Recorder. Here is what I know....
>
> The board directly connects to a dedicated IDE drive that acts
> as the record medium for the compressed frames. Depending on the imagery,
> they are achieving 3 to 5 minutes of animation on a 500MB drive. The drive
> is visible to the Amiga operating system as a physical device and may be
> backed up accordingly, but it is limited as to what can be written to it.

> Only supported image files may be written to the drive, all else gets sent
> to the bit bucket. IDE was chosen for it simplicity of interface, steadier
> continuous data bandwidth, and to dramatically reduce the cost burden to
> the user (no costly SCSI-2 controller and drives to buy).

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!

When will these people start to think!!!

I work for a company that does many things, one of which is to distribute
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from HP, Segate, Fujitsu, and others.  These are almost all SCSI-II FAST drives
though we do have access to their IDE counterparts when they exist.

THERE IS NO PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCSI-II FAST AND IDE in these drives!!!!!

More importantly... Commodore-Amiga, Inc. is going to start selling machines
with built in SCSI-II FAST controllers...  WHY BE REDUNDANT?!?!?!?

They are not cutting the consumers cost because 99% of Amiga owners do not have
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purchase one... myself included.
However, how many of us have SCSI drives that fit the bill?  I know I have
access to HP's 233MB, 422MB, and 1GB SCSI-II FAST drives.  So now I have to
buy an IDE drive that will be stuck as a DPS drive only?  That SUCKS!

Look at it from a marketting point of view...  They simply needed to add some
REALLY cheep IDE controller logic to their board and they are then able to say
that for $1995 and the cost of an IDE drive you have all you need.
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NOT MUCH EXTRA!!!
In addition... with every machine comming after the 4000T having a SCSI-II FAST
controller built in... THERE WOULD BE NO COST DIFFERENCE!  Allowing people like
myself to use drives they already have, or use a drive for more than one
purpose.

Do people think about the current Amiga owner profile when they design these
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realtime play back of 24bit anims? In the June 93 issue of Amiga World
Opal Vision's video suite compares itself to the Toaster 4000 and one
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> >     It sounds like it will ship on a whole boxload of disks.... maybe
> >     around 30?  Ug.
>
> Heh, 30 disks? You should be so lucky. Last I heard, it was about 45 disks!!!
> NewTek is including something like 300 postcript fonts and a pile of new
> animations for DVEs. Should take about a week to install :-)

Mark, would you please use any influence you have to let NT know that some of
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QIC60 drives are <$200, and CDrom recorders are <$7,000.

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>In addition... with every machine comming after the 4000T having a SCSI-II FAST
>controller built in... THERE WOULD BE NO COST DIFFERENCE!  Allowing people like
>myself to use drives they already have, or use a drive for more than one
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> > No, but neither is the toaster RT PLayback..  It must rely on the DELTA as
> > much as DCTV does.   I dont even mind that they are not REEL 24-Bit..
> > sheesh even the toaster isnt REAL 24-BIT.
>
>    There really isn't 24bit color space in the composite world anyway,
>    I seriously suggest you see the AGA output right out of the box,
>    before you suggest that DCTV is better on an old machine or new
>    machine.. I have both.. I work in broadcast television for a
>    cable company, and I can hardly suggest anyone use DCTV for
>    broadcast work..
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We are in agreement here..  AGA is great, its also RGB, and if you compare
RGB to composite than your missing the point..  Even if you compare it
with a seperate encoder, its not fair..  Yes DCTV is Cheap, and its output
is bad, and any fool would be laughed at for using it in a broadcasting
situation..  but the idea is that its old technology..  Theyve been doing
As close to real-time as you can expect on a PC for what 2?  3 Years? This
is all I am saying.
>   AGA isn't great but it's somewhat better with more LEGAL NTSC
>  values available.. I use a vectorscope on commercials everyday
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>

Well since I work in a TV stuido I guess I qualify to say the same thing.

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Hi Mike (Mike Powell), in <[e-mail]> on May 6 you wrote:

:     Talked with someone today in NewTek sales about Toaster upgrades.
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:     She verified that there are basically three types of upgrades:
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:     1 - Software only.  This includes the new CG and most of the new
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    Software only upgrade is set by New Tek to be at $799

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:     2 - Trade board.  Trade your board for the T4000 and 3.0 software.
:         Plus a rebate from Commodore for the purchase of the A4000.

    Well I do not know about Commodore involvement but the board
itself upgrade would be $1199.

:
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:         rebate from NewTek, in addition to the Commodore rebate for
:         the A4000.

    If you send in Disk #8 you could get the Toaster for $1799. You
could also still upgrade your Toaster Software with this offer.

:     The pricing for upgrades is not set, nor are the rebates.

    The prices mentioned is from New Tek so I think they are set.
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> From [e-mail] Mon May 10 23:22:24 1993
> From: Brick Eksten <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Realtime animation playback

>   There are other hurdles to think about.  I was mad at them at first
>   (and I am friends with some of the people at DPS), but after thinking
> about it I decided that it wasn't such a bad idea.
>
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>  1.  ALL drives suffer from the fact that they are subject to thermal
>      recalibration.  This is what is happening when your drive access's
>      for what appears to be no reason, and at random times.  This happens
>      all the time at 5 - 15 minutes intervals, depending on drive temp,
>      manufacturer paranoia, etc.  This is absolutely deadly to your
>      playback and record rates.  This is uncontrollable.
>
>
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>      Solution:  Take over the drive and force thermal recalibration
>      before and after each playback/record session.

 From what I have seen from the HP and Seagate drives we have, thermal
recalibration can be ajusted or forced using the SCSI bus, so I don't see
this as being a strike against using SCSI-II.

>  2.  Multitasking,  yeah its a wonder, but in a real time recording
>      and playback environment, its a killer.
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>      Solution:  Remove the drive from the environment, dedicate
>      the drive to doing animation/video playback and recording.
>      By dedicating the drive to playback and animation, no
>      other device/software will be able to interfere with the
>      playback/record process.  You can even render while recording
>      or playing back animations.

I have never requested that the system multitask or that the drive NOT
be dedicated.  What I am questioning is the TYPE of drive and not how it
is used.  Dedicated is how it should be, but a dedicated SCSI drive is
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>  3.  Price, SCSI-II controllers are going to cost in the $300.00
>      range for the first few anyways.
>
>      Solution:  If you are going to dedicate the drive anyways,
>      you may as well dedicate it completely and put it on the
>      playback/record board.  That way its a one source solution.
>      Put the extra $300-$400 dollars into getting a bigger
>      drive.
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You are ignoring the benefit that a SCSI-II controller would bring to the
rest of your system for the times you are not playing back animation.

All of my arguments are based on the idea that we should only be dealing
with one drive type in the Amiga market.  It seems that all hell broke loose
when the moron at C-A, Inc. decided to put IDE in the 4000.

Look at it this way...
I will only use SCSI type hard disk and controllers.  For obvious reasons
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including tape drives (which I have), CDrom players (which I may get),
MagnetoOptical drives (which I have), and more than 2 hard disk (which I have).
Now wouldn't it be nice for me to have a drive that I can use as a
_dedicated_ playback device... and then under any circumstance use that drive
for another purpose?

>  4.  Compatability,  SCSI-II controllers will only work in the
>      Zorro-III equipped machines.  (unless they are part of the
>      accelerator board, and NONE of the accelerators out there
>      now are FAST SCSI-II, none, none, nope not even that one)
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>      Even if you had a FAST SCSI-II interface in a 2000, total bus
>      transfer rates (memory to memory limitations) are going to
>      be about 1.75 meg/second (not fast enough)

This is a VERY strong argument.  It makes it very clear why they put a
dedicated drive controller on the board.  And for price reasons, it is
obvious why they chose IDE.
But what is DMI's board going to do?  You are suggesting that it is
unusable in a 2000 system, correct?

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However, I will argue that the board should be able to work with a drive
(dedicated of course) that is connected to a SCSI-II FAST controller
in addition to the on board IDE controller.  This would allow future
machine owners/upgraders to use the controller that comes with their machine
or those who have purchased a SCSI II FAST controller for their current
Zorro III systems.

>  6.  Another problem is command latency.  For this to make sense you
>      have to look at why a drive is more efficient at transfering large
>      hunks of data.
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I would love to see some figures concerning transfer rates of small <100k files
for both SCSI II FAST and IDE.  Assuming both are being used under the same
conditions (dedicated, thermal calibration delayed, no other bus activity, etc.)

Obviously DPS has good reasons why they chose to require an IDE drive.  I
am sure if I had all the information it would be easy for me to agree with
the decision.  My main problem is that already have some really nice drives
I would have liked to use. :-)

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>45 disks is totally stupid, especially considering CDrom players are
>$300, QIC60 drives are <$200, and CDrom recorders are <$7,000.
>
>    David     -__@_
>    Watters  ~ O---o-

I already have a floppy disk drive, it costs me......NOTHING!
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>    Does anybody have any information/experience with Opal visions
>realtime play back of 24bit anims? In the June 93 issue of Amiga World
>Opal Vision's video suite compares itself to the Toaster 4000 and one
>of its features is RT 24bit playback vs. Toasters Ham8 playback.
>Thanks in advance.
>Jim Sislo

I have the Opal main board and all the associated software (I haven't
seen, touched, used, smelled or in any other way fondled any of
the Opal add-on modules, which are all sposed to be out starting

in June), however the main board comes with 11 disks of software and
a few of the included programs are for compressing 8, 12, 15, 21 or
24 bit files together to make animations for playback on the Opal
display.  This works quite well and I've made quite a few of them,
but they end up as multi-megabytes so I haven't uploaded any
anywhere (yet).

Michael Van Elst of Germany has written an MPEG player which can
display as it plays on OpalVision and the next version has the
capability to save off 15 or 24 bit frames as it plays. He gave
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me this version to text and I've made a few 15 and 24 bit Opalanims
out of MPEG video streams and they do indeed play back in "realtime".
Sometimes they play TOO fast requiring me to slow them down in PlayAnim24.
So in other words, unless we're getting our lines crossed here,
Opal has this capability right now, without the video suite add on.

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Brick replied to my message and his reply was very informative and important
to the discussion.  However, he sent it to me only and not the list.
I am forwarding this to the list(s) so that everyone can see how much more
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>
> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!
>
> When will these people start to think!!!
>
> I work for a company that does many things, one of which is to distribute
> all types of storage.  We distribute high quality industrial grade drives
> from HP, Segate, Fujitsu, and others.  These are almost all SCSI-II FAST drives
> though we do have access to their IDE counterparts when they exist.
>
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> THERE IS NO PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCSI-II FAST AND IDE in these drives!!!!!

  Sorry, there may not be a difference in IDE pricing for your company,
but for the general public (We deal with all the major PC distributors)
IDE drives tend to be 10 - 20% cheaper than their IDE counterparts.
This must be a product of mass producing the PCboard for the drive in
such incredible quantities.

>
> More importantly... Commodore-Amiga, Inc. is going to start selling machines
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> with built in SCSI-II FAST controllers...  WHY BE REDUNDANT?!?!?!?
>
> They are not cutting the consumers cost because 99% of Amiga owners do not have
> an IDE drive that is big enough and fast enough so they are going to need to
> purchase one... myself included.
> However, how many of us have SCSI drives that fit the bill?  I know I have
> access to HP's 233MB, 422MB, and 1GB SCSI-II FAST drives.  So now I have to
> buy an IDE drive that will be stuck as a DPS drive only?  That SUCKS!
>
  Very, VERY few people have drives that fit the bill.  These drives are
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just now becoming available.  Your scsi-II drive will have to be able
to deliver a SUSTAINED 4-5 megabytes a second.  Maxtor and HP I think
are the only ones able to do this right now.  I have a maxtor on an
040 3000 and can get about 3 meg/sec (this is a < 8 ms FAST scsi-II
drive).  You have to remember that all drive specs are average, so
your drive will have to average over 4 megs a second for all transfers,
this is easy with large transfers as it takes fewer instructions to copy
a 245 meg file, than it does to transfer 10 24.5 meg files. And we are talking
about files in the 30-60k size range (compressed images).  Next time you
fire up diskspeed look at what you get for the 32k buffer size and thats
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about how fast you can get these images off of the drive.  Lets say
the average compressed file is 50k. Thats 50k x 30(fps) x 2 (bus transfer
and command interference) and you get 3 megs a second. Now throw in
seek times, command overhead, dma cycles, etc.  You see that you will
need at least 4 megs a second so that you can get information off
the drive and have enough time left over to do other things (like run
the software).


  There are other hurdles to think about.  I was mad at them at first
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  (and I am friends with some of the people at DPS), but after thinking
about it I decided that it wasn't such a bad idea.

Problems
    Solutions:

 1.  ALL drives suffer from the fact that they are subject to thermal
     recalibration.  This is what is happening when your drive access's
     for what appears to be no reason, and at random times.  This happens
     all the time at 5 - 15 minutes intervals, depending on drive temp,
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     manufacturer paranoia, etc.  This is absolutely deadly to your
     playback and record rates.  This is uncontrollable.


     Solution:  Take over the drive and force thermal recalibration
     before and after each playback/record session.


 2.  Multitasking,  yeah its a wonder, but in a real time recording
     and playback environment, its a killer.  You're recording 5
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     minutes of video that you shot at the last WhizBangAthon' and
     all of a sudden,  you computer decides to take a break and go
     see what else is going on (as it does every 1/50th of a second),
     bloohey, your recording is shot, time to start over. Or your
     fax modem gets an incoming fax and... easy to see where the
     problems arise.

     Solution:  Remove the drive from the environment, dedicate
     the drive to doing animation/video playback and recording.
     By dedicating the drive to playback and animation, no
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     other device/software will be able to interfere with the
     playback/record process.  You can even render while recording
     or playing back animations.

 3.  Price, SCSI-II controllers are going to cost in the $300.00
     range for the first few anyways.

     Solution:  If you are going to dedicate the drive anyways,
     you may as well dedicate it completely and put it on the
     playback/record board.  That way its a one source solution.
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     Put the extra $300-$400 dollars into getting a bigger
     drive.

 4.  Compatability,  SCSI-II controllers will only work in the
     Zorro-III equipped machines.  (unless they are part of the
     accelerator board, and NONE of the accelerators out there
     now are FAST SCSI-II, none, none, nope not even that one)
     Even if you had a FAST SCSI-II interface in a 2000, total bus
     transfer rates (memory to memory limitations) are going to
     be about 1.75 meg/second (not fast enough) soooo, all the
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     people with A2000 toaster machines are going to have to buy
     A3000's or A4000's or A4000 T's to get compatibility with the
     FAST SCSI-II controllers.  Another problem is the fact that
     even if a FAST SCSI-II controller was available today, it
     wouldn't work.  Commodore still hasn't fixed the buster/DMAC
     and RAMSEY problems so everyone will have to get upgraded
     chips.  DMI is trying to use the Fast-Lane controller from
     europe, but it isn't getting very good transfer rates yet.

     Solution:  Don't use SCSI-II,  if you are going to dedicate
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     a drive for this purpose... (see above).  The other thing
     to think about is that the DPS board will work in ANY
     Zorro machine, A2000,3000,4000 without any problems.  This
     also address's the marketing issues.  What good is using
     scsi drives if you have to buy a new machine to use them?

5.   General use/abuse.  Drives that are used in a general purpose
     environment tend to get fragmented.  There goes your transfer
     rates again. Lets say you dedicate one partition of your drive
     to animation play/record.  You now only have part of your drive,
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     dedicate an IDE drive?

     Solution: See above.

 6.  Another problem is command latency.  For this to make sense you
     have to look at why a drive is more efficient at transfering large
     hunks of data.  Drives (any drive) can transfer large hunks of data
     faster simply because there will be less command overhead involved,
     the device driver will less to do, the drive will have less commands
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     to think about, etc.  The SCSI-II command set is rather large.  We
     already know that we are interested in files that are fairly small in
     size (around 30-60k) so we are going to be running into alot of
     command overhead.  Because there are more, smaller files to transfer,
     the device driver for the board will have to issue more commands to
     the drive, the drive will have to spend more time looking up each
     command, and if the instruction set for that drive is large, this will
     cause the drive to spend more time processing commands and less time
     processing files.

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     Solution:  Reduce the the command set of the drive.  This is not possible
     with SCSI-II drives, if you reduce the number of supported commands, the
     drive will no longer be SCSI-II compatible.  IDE drives use a very small
     number of commands, and can therefore respond to a given command faster
     than a SCSI drive can.  Think of it as the RISC versus CISC arguement
     only for drives.  In this case IDE wins.  This doesn't mean that IDE
     is better, in truth its a very primitive design spec, but because it
     is primitive and simple, it will work better for our application.


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> Look at it from a marketting point of view...  They simply needed to add some
> REALLY cheep IDE controller logic to their board and they are then able to say
> that for $1995 and the cost of an IDE drive you have all you need.

   And they save you $300.00 (at least).

> BUT, as I have pointed out... the drives cost the same!!! so the only extra
> cost is a SCSI-II FAST controller, which will be what? $300? $350?
> NOT MUCH EXTRA!!!

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  And a new machine if you don't have a Zorro III (a3000/a4000) already,
  and you will have to pay premium dollar for the drive itself as it is the
  newest thing on the market.

> In addition... with every machine comming after the 4000T having a SCSI-II FAST
> controller built in... THERE WOULD BE NO COST DIFFERENCE!  Allowing people like
> myself to use drives they already have, or use a drive for more than one
> purpose.

  True, but how many people with toasters (this is the lightwave listserv
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 right?)  are going to run out and buy 4000 T's so that they can go buy
 new drives, just to do something they could have done on there A2000's
 for less money anyways...

As a disclaimer:  I am a programmer by choice and a hardware person
by education.  I have no affiliation (yet) with either DMI or DPS.  I am
a developer for both companies. (meaning that I have signed their developer
NDA's and such) But I am not being paid by either.  I have fairly good
knowledge of both boards (DPS/PAC board and DMI/Digital Broadcaster),
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> From [e-mail] Tue May 11 13:58:12 1993
> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 18:54:05 -0500 (CDT)

> Bob (etal),
>     I've never seen a group of people waste so much bandwidth on some of
> the topics this list bickers about.  I thought this group was for discusing
> technicques and or other related subjects on lightwave.  This isn't comp.sys.
> amiga.toaster.upgrade.gripes or c.s.a.toaster vs. DCTV!!!!!  Let's try and
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> out there in the Video world require the user to SEND their machines back to
> the manufacturer for upgrades, (Chyron, Quanta, Sony, GVG, ect.)

This is not a Video world product.  This is a computer world product that
crosses over into the Video market.  A lot of us are used to large software
packages such as Unix OS's and production software coming on CDrom or minimally
1/4" cartridge tape.  It is like when you got your first hard disk and stopped
using floppies. Once you have loaded something big from tape or CD... you never
want to go back.

>So let's
> not bitch at Newtek when they are offering an upgrade path to the user that is
> a little on the tedious side, (atleast you get to keep the machine....) I mean
> how hard is it to copy 30 disks to your HD, I mean come on you poor babies....
> I think you are all getting spoiled, and for the crowd that wants CD-ROM or
> Syquest upgrades, let's pray Newtek doesn't listen to you.  This will only
> raise the price of the upgrade, let alone force people without such drives
> to go out and purchase them.

Not only is CDrom infinitely more stable for storage of data than a floppy,
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A compact disk platter is cheaper to produce than a floppy (not to mention
45 floppies), and pressing 650megs of CDrom is faster and cheaper than copying
40megs of data onto 45 double density micro floppies.

And more importantly... it would install a bazillion times faster!
The fonts and objects could be left on the CDrom to be accessed when needed
and executables could be installed if desired.  Can you imagine how many
objects, textures, motions, and images NewTek could ship with LightWave if they
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The first thing I am going to do when I get my 45 disk is to write a
recordable CDrom and never touch those damn things again!

I will even master a CDrom for NewTek so they can then send that off to get
pressed if they don't have enough time themselves.

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> From [e-mail] Tue May 11 15:08:18 1993
> :
> :     3 - Buy the New T4000 + software.  Registered owners will get a
> :         rebate from NewTek, in addition to the Commodore rebate for
> :         the A4000.
>
>     If you send in Disk #8 you could get the Toaster for $1799. You
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Brick forgot to forward this to the list again :), so here is another message
from him, I am including the entire message by his request and my replies.

> From [e-mail] Tue May 11 16:30:57 1993
> From: Brick Eksten <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Realtime animation playback


> >  From what I have seen from the HP and Seagate drives we have, thermal
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> > recalibration can be ajusted or forced using the SCSI bus, so I don't see
> > this as being a strike against using SCSI-II.
>
>   From what I understand, SCSI devices don't like to be told to do
>   a thermal recal. (this is what I have been told)

When both Seagate and HP were in to talk to us, both discussed this topic but
did not suggest that it was a problem with SCSI drives to adjust the timming
of the recal or force it.

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> > I have never requested that the system multitask or that the drive NOT
> > be dedicated.  What I am questioning is the TYPE of drive and not how it
> > is used.  Dedicated is how it should be, but a dedicated SCSI drive is
> > how I would rather it be if that was technically possible.
> >
>
>    I would rather it was SCSI also,  especially seeing as how I
>  paid 1500.00 for a drive with the express intent of using it with
>  the DMI board.  I also have SCSI-II dat drives, CD-roms, etc. etc.

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I am in the same boat just about.

> > You are ignoring the benefit that a SCSI-II controller would bring to the
> > rest of your system for the times you are not playing back animation.
>
>   I'm not ignoring it, only pointing out that if you don't need scsi-ii
>  for anything else, why buy it.  I know, I want it anyways but I don't
>  really need it right now (>3 megs/second is fine for now).

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controller, what combo are you getting those numbers with.
With the HP 2247 (1.02GB) SCSI II FAST drive (with synchronous on) I am
getting 1.6MB/sec with the A3000 controller and using the SCSIprefs util.

> >
> > All of my arguments are based on the idea that we should only be dealing
> > with one drive type in the Amiga market.  It seems that all hell broke loose
> > when the moron at C-A, Inc. decided to put IDE in the 4000.
>
>   I agree totally.  But the moron a commodore enabled them to sell a
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>  machine for $200.00 less than what it would have sold for, which
>  enabled commodore to have the cheapest REAL 040 machine on the market.

I am of the opinion that a few hundred dollars this way or the other is
meaningless.  Nobody is going to buy an `040 based Amiga just because it
is $200 less than the MAC if they wanted to use Mac software.
CBM should not make Amiga users suffer to try and steal MAC sales they won't
get anyways.

> > Look at it this way...
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> > I will only use SCSI type hard disk and controllers.  For obvious reasons
> > including tape drives (which I have), CDrom players (which I may get),
> > MagnetoOptical drives (which I have), and more than 2 hard disk (which I have).
>
>   I'm no happier about IDE as a spec than you are. But in this one instance
>  it makes sense.  Purely from the standpoint that in a machine with a
>  slow bus (a2000, which is 99% of the toaster machines out there) it
>  is the only solution that makes sense.

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SCSI-II.  From what Dave Haynie said, Zorro II can maintain 3.5MB/sec.  I
would question if a Zorro II based SCSI-II FAST controller wouldn't allow
the DPS board to hit that figure reading from the drive.

> > Now wouldn't it be nice for me to have a drive that I can use as a
>
> > _dedicated_ playback device... and then under any circumstance use that drive
> > for another purpose?
>
>   Yep.  If we all had Zorro III machines I would be totally on
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>  your side (BTW I have ONLY A3000 toaster machines so I'm not arguing
>  on my behalf)

I wonder how many more people are like us and fit this category.

> > This is a VERY strong argument.  It makes it very clear why they put a
> > dedicated drive controller on the board.  And for price reasons, it is
> > obvious why they chose IDE.
> > But what is DMI's board going to do?  You are suggesting that it is
> > unusable in a 2000 system, correct?
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>   Unusable for broadcast purposes. YES.  They have only managed to show
>   VHS quality output on the board so far.  From a purely hardware persons
>   point of view,  I'm not sure they could ever do any better than that
>   in a 2000.  I would be willing to bet money that they can't.  Its
>   still usable in the sense that it will be better than ham-8 but thats
>   now what we are after is it?  That and the fact that it costs 500.00
>   more than the DPS board and you still have to buy a fast SCSI-II
>   controller.

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Do not forget the non-linear edit software and ability that comes with that
without the need of a TBC to grab video onto Hard disk.

> > However, I will argue that the board should be able to work with a drive
> > (dedicated of course) that is connected to a SCSI-II FAST controller
> > in addition to the on board IDE controller.  This would allow future
> > machine owners/upgraders to use the controller that comes with their machine
> > or those who have purchased a SCSI II FAST controller for their current
> > Zorro III systems.
>
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>   Yeah that would work, but unfortunately the majority of applicable systems
>  are still 2000's so its kind of a moot point.

>> I would love to see some figures concerning transfer rates of small <100k files
>> for both SCSI II FAST and IDE.  Assuming both are being used under the same
>> conditions (dedicated, thermal calibration delayed, no other bus activity, etc.)
>
>   I believe (this is off the top of my head) that the command latency in
>  IDE drives is <160us and for SCSI is over 240us, anyhow it ends up that
>  IDE drives are about close to twice as fast at command processing, transfer
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>
> >
> > Obviously DPS has good reasons why they chose to require an IDE drive.  I
> > am sure if I had all the information it would be easy for me to agree with
> > the decision.  My main problem is that already have some really nice drives
> > I would have liked to use. :-)
> >
>   DPS's reasons:
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>    This is what I have gathered from conversations with people at Maxtor
>  and SeaGate and at DPS.
>
>    DPS is using only the outer tracks of the drive for animation.  The
>  inner tracks are reserved for still stores.  If you look at how a drive
>  is normally used, there are the same number of sectors on the outer
>  tracks as there are on the inner tracks, but the sectors get closer
>  together as you get closer to the center (less room around the
>  circumference of the disk).  If you write a custom file system it is
>  possible to put more information per track on the outer tracks than
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>  on the inner tracks.  This is one way that DPS gets their great
>  data transfer rates off of the drive.  Drive transfer rates are limited
>  by the amount of information you can get off of the disk in each revolution
>  of the disk.  Thats why multi-spin CDROMS are twice as fast, the disks
>  are rotating twice as fast.  If you want to know what the maximum raw data
>  rate is for any drive, multiply the number of heads times the number of
>  sectors per track, times the number of bytes per sector, times the
>  number of revolutions per second of the drive and you will get the
>  rate.  So, DPS has increased the data per track in their drives which
>  allows them to get higher transfer rates.  This is not really possible
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>  BTW in the tests I have done, the files on the DPS board were getting
>  compressed from an average of around 600k down to about 39k for a
>  compression rate of about 15:1 with great image quality (D2) and
>  no noticeable artifacting.  Lets see that makes it about a
>  (39kx30) 1.176 meg/second data rate for small files, files of over
>  256k would be transfered at around the 4 meg/sec rate, not too bad
>  for 15.00 worth of hardware (the ide host hardware)
>
>   The other neat thing about the DPS board and the fact that it is
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>  a dedicated HD/Controller combo is that it takes very few
>  CPU cycles to run it.  I have been able to watch an animation before
>  lightwave is done rendering the next frame, because it doesn't take
>  any processing power to do it.  I can also playback animatoins while
>  ADPRO is converting frames, Lightwave is rendering, I am printing
>  out a 200 page document, etc. etc....
>
>
>
> > ps. I am still very curious what DMI is going to do if a SCSI II FAST
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> > controller can not transfer more than 1.75MB/sec in a Zorro II machine.

As I mentioned, Dave Haynie just talked about Zorro II being able to do
3.5MB/sec... This would suggest that a Zorro II SCSI II FAST board (whew, what
a name) would beable to feed the DPS board at it's required 2.5MB/sec rate.

>   Continue to show it in an A3000 and hope that not too many people
>  ask questions. 8^)
>
>   ps. the fastest Zorro II controller I have ever seen was the Kronos

>  controller which got about 1.4 meg/sec on a 9ms 1.8 gig drive.
>
>
> -Brick
>
>
>
>

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  I'm looking for information on the file formats output by Amiga
modellers. Do any formats store hierarchical structure  info between
objects? How are textures stored in the file and can their be more than
one texture per  object? if anyone has the full specification of the
lightwave 3D format I would appreciate if you could E-Mail it to me.

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Hello Yury (Yury German). On May 6, you have written :

>     I think an ALT group would be much better. One reason I do not
> post things here is because every time I post I get 20 bounces back to
> me... While it is fun (yeah right) I do not like canceling 20 of the
> posting manually! The ALT group would fix that...

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    by multiple postings, I suggest that if the LightWave mailing-list
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> I saw something like the DMI board on a MAC.  It looked really sweet, and
> the vidio looked nice.  There were noticable hiccups when it hit the disk,
> which is totally unacceptable.  Also I think it was only 30 fields/s.  No
> overscan?  Overpriced.  In otherwords, it was a piece of sh*t.

This sounds a lot like SuperMac's DigitalFilm.  All the Mac people I know
think this thing is our newborn savior, but as you noticed it is extremely
lacking.   From what I understand it requires a Quadra level machine (why I
have no idea) and uses the Cirus chipset instead of the LSI chipset.  I
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understand this to mean that it samples the video (Records) at a 320x200
resolution and not the full LSI chipset resolution of 768x480.  As you also
noticed it only grabs and plays back 30_fields_/sec which is hardly satisfactory
in my book.  It also cost a good deal more than the DMI board. In addition
I believe it had to use fairly large compression ratios makeing the quality
of the video a little less than optimal.

I have heard there is some really nice software for this board, from Aldus I
believe, for nonlinear editing but I have not seen it myself.

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   >>     I think an ALT group would be much better. One reason I do not
   >> post things here is because every time I post I get 20 bounces back to
   >> me... While it is fun (yeah right) I do not like canceling 20 of the
   >> posting manually! The ALT group would fix that...
   >
   >    While I agree with your newsgroup request and the problem caused
   >    by multiple postings, I suggest that if the LightWave mailing-list
   >    goes in an alt group, a mailinglist <-> alt group gateway should be
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    I aggree with this. I have been on a few other lists that went
to .alt groups, and this seems like the best way for discussion to go.
However, I have seen a few minor problems with this. Some people post
the same message to both the maillist and the alt group, so they show
up twice in both places. And on one particular list, more than one
person set up a gateway between the group and the list, and caused
infinite bouncing of messages. THIS got very annoying very fast, and
actually caused the list to shut down. I would say go for it, but
inform the list what you are doing, and who is going to do what.

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    If you do not have alt group access, and have an account that
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different locations. These will let you read news at no or minimal
cost, and some will let you post. I know of one at bbs.oit.unc.edu.
This is where I do all my news, since our news server went down, and
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What does it really matter if this unit is IDE or SCSI-II or RLL?  It
costs less tu build the IDE conroller, and since this drive MUST be
hooked up to the DPS card, and MUST be formatted to DPS's propritary
format.  According to Dave Wite, at NAB, the only think you will be able
to do to this drive under AmigaDOS is store several hundred fremestores
in the areas of the disk that are too slow for RT playback, and even
that must be piped through DPS's software (I think that compresses also,
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personal animator, and plig it into their SCSI/IDE/Etc. conroller, then
re format it, use it, and swap it back, and reformat when they are going
to animate.  Considering that this board works with their betacam output
unit, it is obvoisly aimed at people who can afford to buy extra hard
drive space when they need it.  If they can't they aren't charging
enough for their work.

And as for the Toaster 4000 floppies, they are a pain, but remember to
cut the number in half, the 4000 has a 1.77Meg floppy drive.  The
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Video Toaster Workstation for sale:

    - Amiga2000
    - GVP G-Force 68030 40 MHz accelerator
    - 9 MB RAM
    - Quantum 120 MB LPS SCSI Hard drive
    - Video Toaster 2.0
    - Personal TBC III
    - Art Dept Pro
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    - Art Dept Pro conversion pak
    - Deluxe Paint IV
    - Pixel 3D Pro

I want to sell all this for $4800. I have had this system since Nov'1992.

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> > I saw something like the DMI board on a MAC.  It looked really sweet, and
> > the vidio looked nice.  There were noticable hiccups when it hit the disk,
> > which is totally unacceptable.  Also I think it was only 30 fields/s.  No
> > overscan?  Overpriced.  In otherwords, it was a piece of sh*t.

   No overscan (grabs at 640x200), 30 fields a second, interpolated
fields for playback, 4995.00 price.  This board is wholely unimpressive.
I have talked to our SuperMac rep on several occasions and have been
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> This sounds a lot like SuperMac's DigitalFilm.  All the Mac people I know
> think this thing is our newborn savior, but as you noticed it is extremely
> lacking.   From what I understand it requires a Quadra level machine (why I
> have no idea) and uses the Cirus chipset instead of the LSI chipset.  I
> understand this to mean that it samples the video (Records) at a 320x200
> resolution and not the full LSI chipset resolution of 768x480.  As you also
> noticed it only grabs and plays back 30_fields_/sec which is hardly satisfactory
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> in my book.  It also cost a good deal more than the DMI board. In addition
> I believe it had to use fairly large compression ratios makeing the quality
> of the video a little less than optimal.
>
> I have heard there is some really nice software for this board, from Aldus I
> believe, for nonlinear editing but I have not seen it myself.

  It has nice software because they are leveraging off of QuickTime for all
thier playback.  At startup on the Mac you run an Init (hack) that will cause
all quicktime to be played back and recorded using the boards on board
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compression chip.  So anything that uses Quicktime can use this board.
Anything that can edit quicktime can edit these movies.  But its not as nice
as it sounds, the I/O while editing is dog slow.

>
> There was a pretty good discussion in comp.graphics.animation about this and
> how it compared to DMI's EditMaster.

  It doesn't except in the software dept where it is much stronger.

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Have you seen the RasterOps MoviePak or the Truevision Bravado 24?

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Allen Hastings responded to one of my messages as follows:

> This is just a reminder that those 300 PostScript fonts aren't just for
> the new CG.  The new Modeler allows you to pick one of those fonts (or any
> PS Type 1 font) and type in a line of text, resulting in polygons that can
> then be beveled, extruded, etc.  Modeler automatically creates more points
> where the letter outlines curve sharply, and you can set the overall
> subdivision level to reduce or increase the total number of points.  This
> feature effectively makes the current "load each letter object separately/
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> be congratulated for adding it.

Mark Thompson also pointed out the font's worth with the upcoming release.
I completely overlooked this new capability.  Thanks to both for the
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> >45 disks is totally stupid, especially considering CDrom players are
> >$300, QIC60 drives are <$200, and CDrom recorders are <$7,000.
> >
> >    David     -__@_
> >    Watters  ~ O---o-
>
> I already have a floppy disk drive, it costs me......NOTHING!

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> A savings of $200 to $300.

I guess it just depends on how much you value your time.. ;)

>
> Ed :-{
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>
> > I saw something like the DMI board on a MAC.  It looked really sweet, and
> > the vidio looked nice.  There were noticable hiccups when it hit the disk,
> > which is totally unacceptable.  Also I think it was only 30 fields/s.  No
> > overscan?  Overpriced.  In otherwords, it was a piece of sh*t.

   No overscan (grabs at 640x200), 30 fields a second, interpolated
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fields for playback, 4995.00 price.  This board is wholely unimpressive.
I have talked to our SuperMac rep on several occasions and have been
given demos of the board.  At BEST it looks like second generation VHS.


>
> This sounds a lot like SuperMac's DigitalFilm.  All the Mac people I know
> think this thing is our newborn savior, but as you noticed it is extremely
> lacking.   From what I understand it requires a Quadra level machine (why I
> have no idea) and uses the Cirus chipset instead of the LSI chipset.  I
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> understand this to mean that it samples the video (Records) at a 320x200
> resolution and not the full LSI chipset resolution of 768x480.  As you also
> noticed it only grabs and plays back 30_fields_/sec which is hardly satisfactory
> in my book.  It also cost a good deal more than the DMI board. In addition
> I believe it had to use fairly large compression ratios makeing the quality
> of the video a little less than optimal.
>
> I have heard there is some really nice software for this board, from Aldus I
> believe, for nonlinear editing but I have not seen it myself.

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  It has nice software because they are leveraging off of QuickTime for all
thier playback.  At startup on the Mac you run an Init (hack) that will cause
all quicktime to be played back and recorded using the boards on board
compression chip.  So anything that uses Quicktime can use this board.
Anything that can edit quicktime can edit these movies.  But its not as nice
as it sounds, the I/O while editing is dog slow.

>
> There was a pretty good discussion in comp.graphics.animation about this and
> how it compared to DMI's EditMaster.
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  It doesn't except in the software dept where it is much stronger.

>
> David     -__^@_
> Watters  ~ O----o-
>

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> Hello Yury (Yury German). On May 6, you have written :
>
> >     I think an ALT group would be much better. One reason I do not
> > post things here is because every time I post I get 20 bounces back to
> > me... While it is fun (yeah right) I do not like canceling 20 of the
> > posting manually! The ALT group would fix that...
>
>     While I agree with your newsgroup request and the problem caused
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>     done, because I (and some others) can't subscribe to alt.groups.
>
>     Thanks in advance,
>                                         -- Philippe

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> >45 disks is totally stupid, especially considering CDrom players are
> >$300, QIC60 drives are <$200, and CDrom recorders are <$7,000.
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> >    David     -__@_
> >    Watters  ~ O---o-
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> I already have a floppy disk drive, it costs me......NOTHING!
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> Ed :-{
> [e-mail]

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purchased a NEC CD-ROM for $225.00.  From what I've been told you can
get the A570 CD-ROM drive for the 500 and take it out of the case,
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> Bob (etal),
>     I've never seen a group of people waste so much bandwidth on some of
> the topics this list bickers about.  I thought this group was for discusing
> technicques and or other related subjects on lightwave.  This isn't comp.sys.
> amiga.toaster.upgrade.gripes or c.s.a.toaster vs. DCTV!!!!!  Let's try and
> spend time concentrating on lightwave.  (BTW, most professional hardware
> out there in the Video world require the user to SEND their machines back to
> the manufacturer for upgrades, (Chyron, Quanta, Sony, GVG, ect.)  So let's
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> not bitch at Newtek when they are offering an upgrade path to the user that i
> a little on the tedious side, (atleast you get to keep the machine....)  I me
> how hard is it to copy 30 disks to your HD, I mean come on you poor babies...
> I think you are all getting spoiled, and for the crowd that wants CD-ROM or
> Syquest upgrades, let's pray Newtek doesn't listen to you.  This will only
> raise the price of the upgrade, let alone force people without such drives
> to go out and purchase them.  Getting off my soap box, what I am trying to
> say is instead of filling my mail box with the current plethora of pointless
> mail, let's fill it with some real useful posts.

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Take it easy!  Seeing as how Autodesk 3D Studio distributes all thier
textures and such on CD-Rom included with the package and the fact
that most of us who use the Toaster in a professional environment
have SyQuest removables, I think it's high time Newtek do something
intelligent about distribution.  Besides, the installation of the new
software for the Toaster IS related to Lightwave and pertinent to
this list.  Also, the installation is way over the 30 disks you
mention.  Someone brought up the 1.77 meg disks.  I doubt very
seriously that Newtek would use this format as it is not the least
common denomiator.  Most people have 880k floppies.
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Mastering a CD-ROM and distributing them (with a few system disks)
would probably the most cost effective solution for Newtek.  For
those who do not have a CD-ROM or SyQuest then they will be stuck
with the 50 or so disks.  That is the way I would do it if I were
them.

It will not raise the cost of the upgrade unless you go for a SyQuest
88 meg cart since the carts are somewhat expensive.  The discussion
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I will say, however, that we should rope in our discussion to pertain
a bit more to LightWave 3D than the current trend to talk about
general Toaster items.  But hey, is anyone out there really adverse
to the current batch of posts?  If the majority is, then I will do
something about it.

Please send mail to [e-mail] if you feel the
discussion is not pertinent and you want an official post stating so.

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We have 300 members, If greater than half do not object, no
administrative post will be sent about the subject.

Since I am going off on an administrative tangent I would like to
inform you that I will proabably be putting the distribution issue to
a vote soon.  I would like you all to know that idea is to add
newsgroup distribution for the list.  The normal mailing list
addresses will not change and the only change will be (if voted in)
the additional distribution through a (probably alt.graphics)
newsgroup.  The list would be gated both ways.  I am working on ways

to stop the bounced messages as well as adding the admin/request/post
addresses to the bottom of posts so that everyone has them at thier
fingertips.

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> And for you, the option would be 50 or so 880k disks.  I just
> purchased a NEC CD-ROM for $225.00.  From what I've been told you can
> get the A570 CD-ROM drive for the 500 and take it out of the case,
> install it in your 2000 and connect it up to your SCSI card and use
> it.  Creative Computers told me this and they said it comes with
> everything you need like CD-ROM filing system and cables.

Do you know if either of these drives are PHOTO-CD compatible?

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Does anyone know if there is any chance that lightwave and modeler will be
able to take advantage of high res graphics cards like Retina?

Thanks,
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Hi Guys,

I am little confused about the timecodes. Here is the scenario:

    - I use Cannon A1-Digital camera to record the video, Since Cannon
      doesn't have any timecode capability on their camera, so I think
      tape doesn't get the timecodes. Now I want to edit this tape using
      Sony EVO-9850 VCRs. My question is if the source tape doesn't have
      any timecodes, then can I use software like Amilink to do frame
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Can anyone tell me the difference between Linear audio tracks and HiFi Audio
tracks, what do they mean? If I want to be able to record on audio channel 1
and channel 2 seperately what should I look for?

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In article <[e-mail]> rutgers!futserv.austin.ibm.com!usp (Uma S. Pandey) writes:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am little confused about the timecodes. Here is the scenario:
>
>       - I use Cannon A1-Digital camera to record the video, Since Cannon
>         doesn't have any timecode capability on their camera, so I think
>         tape doesn't get the timecodes. Now I want to edit this tape using
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>         accurate editing.
>
> Can anyone tell me the difference between Linear audio tracks and HiFi Audio
> tracks, what do they mean? If I want to be able to record on audio channel 1
> and channel 2 seperately what should I look for?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Uma S Pandey
>
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Ok..this is just too removed from what this list is all about.  I
suggest that everyone take a look at the charter for the LightWave 3D
list at this time.  If you don't have a copy and you need one you can
send a request to [e-mail] with the following in the
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We are not here to discuss the differences between LTC and VITC or how
to record audio.  We are here to discuss Lightwave 3D *SPECIFICALLY*.

If you have questions about video in general, then maybe you should be
looking into the Usenet newsgroups rec.video*.  However, the people on
this list have signed up here to talk about tips/techniques for
LightWave 3D/Modeller and do not want to be bothered with tangent
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I will be checking the articles from now on and I will be posting to the
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Ahhh, the wonders of timecode.
You are quite fortunate to be working with Hi8 tape, in that it has a
seperate timecode track, so you can add timecode after you shoot wichout
taking up an audio track to do it.  I'm not sure how to do it on a 9850,
it's a combination of the insert and timecode buttons, check you manual.
AmiLink does not have a feature to do this that I am aware of, but it is
simple enough to use.  My EVO-9700 has one button, TimeCode write, that does
the job.

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you must use one of these two tracks.  Hi8 has no linear tracks.

Hi-Fi tracks are Frequency Modulated (FM) signals recorded on the helical
track at the beginning of the video signal, and due to its proximity
to the video track, it can't be edited seperately from the video track.
Thus, if editing S-VHS footage from a camera that doesn't add VITC
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PCM audio is Pulse Code Modulated (a form of recording digital information
on an analog tape).  Hi-8 uses two PCM audio tracks, also recorded helically,
but seperate from the video signal so that they can be editied seperately.
The quality is excelent, in the EVO-9700 the signal is dubbed at PCM level.
Just for kicks, I dubbed some music 10 times, and the 10th generation
sounded just as clear as the first.

Additionally, Hi8 has a data track for information storage.  At the present,
the only deck that makes use of this is the EVO-9700, which uses that track
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to store edit decision lists.  Also on playback of a 9700 edited tape,
the deck displays the edit decision number of each scene, so you can review
the tape, and know which edit to change.  This is a real nice feature,
and I wish other editors supported it.  There's nothing like wading though
a 300 event list to find the one edit you want to change.

Be seeing you...
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I've just read that some people have the latest upgrades in the beta stages
right now.  Does anyone have any idea when the upgrades will be out for the
rest of us regular schmoes?

I would also like to know what new features there are for those of us who
won't be getting a 4000 soon and have to deal with a suped-up 2000.

According to one post, the new software will play back HAM8 animations in
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>You can not compare Caligary with programs like Imagine or Real 3D.
>Caligary has other features which are very useful for making fast animations
>(I mean you can calculate the anims very fast).
>
>As a gui from the german distributor told me Caligary is not a renderer at all.
>It does no raytracing, but scanlining. That means it is not able to render
>glass or mirrors. But he showed me how to work with it - great.

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Render != Raytrace

Raytracing means (very simplified) to reTRACE the RAYs of light that have
propagated through a scene from a light source starting from the observer
and working backwards.

Rendering means to generate a picture or image.

Raytracing IS Rendering, Rendering IS NOT necessarily raytracing.
Zbuffer, partial Zbuffer, scanline Zbuffer, painters, are all rendering
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algorithms as much as raytracing is.

Caligary and Lightwave are similar in their rendering techniques (ingnoring the
fact that LW > 2.0 can raytrace reflections and refractions).
Imagine, Real3D, TurboSilver, Playmation, etc. are all similar in their
rendering techniques in that their primary image rendering method is raytracing.

Caligary (and Lightwave) CAN and should be compared to programs like Imagine
and Real3D because they are ALL renderers and, in this case, they are all
modeling, animation, rendering packages.  They all serve the same purpose... to
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With that in mind you will quickly see why the programs that raytrace start off
the comparison with a significant disadvantage due to the cost that a
raytracing algorithm has.
What does raytracing gain you?  From a user point of view... true reflections
and true refractions.  If you don't need these... DON'T RAYTRACE.
 From the programmers point of view... everything.  Raytracing is extremely
easy to implement compared to a full featured solid model renderer.

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IMHO Lightwave is the perfect of both worlds.  It is a solid model renderer that
has a large number of mapping techniques to allow you to simulate most real-
world surfaces.  If you want cheap reflections, use an environmental map or
a pre-rendered brush map.  However, if you would like to simulate accurate
refractions and/or reflections, go ahead and turn raytracing on FOR ONLY those
surfaces that are transparent and/or reflective.

> And I want this nice mirroring glass spheres :-)

<CLICHE' ALERT!> :)
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>
> Render != Raytrace

Oh yes, I can tell stories about this. If I'm talking about rendering most
people think I'm talking about raytracing. :-(

> IMHO Lightwave is the perfect of both worlds.  It is a solid model renderer that
> has a large number of mapping techniques to allow you to simulate most real-
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> a pre-rendered brush map.  However, if you would like to simulate accurate
> refractions and/or reflections, go ahead and turn raytracing on FOR ONLY those
> surfaces that are transparent and/or reflective.

I don't know much about Lightwave. I even never have seen it, perhaps because
NewTeK thinks the whole world is working with the NTSC-TV-standard. Since three
or four years they are telling me that the PAL version is ready "next" year.
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pictures (The great ones from Mark Thompson (Floaty, Store, and Furnace)).
Especially the Floaty-picture looks so as if Floaty is flying above the screen.
I think the cause for this are the missing shadows. (But I'm totally amazed by
the light-effects in Furnace :-) )

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> >You can not compare Caligary with programs like Imagine or Real 3D.
> >Caligary has other features which are very useful for making fast animations
> >(I mean you can calculate the anims very fast).
> >
> >As a gui from the german distributor told me Caligary is not a renderer at all.
> >It does no raytracing, but scanlining. That means it is not able to render
> >glass or mirrors. But he showed me how to work with it - great.
>
> How many times do we need to go through this???
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> Render != Raytrace
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  I guess according to this distrubutor, the renderer used for all the
Listerine Commercials, T2, and the Abyss(Renderman/Reyes if you're
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>We finally got a A4000 Toaster with the beta software. All I can say is
>that it's GREAT!!! I was really never a VideoToaster fan until I started to
>play with this new toaster. The have MANY and I mean MANY new effects. Many
>now use 256 and HAM8 for the effects. There are effects where a color kiki
>StockHammer comes out like tinkerbell and flashes her wand and it does the
>transition. There is another one wher you are out in space and like the
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>falcon in StarWars you warp into the transition. Some of the new transitions
>even support sounds (nice touch). LightWave has also been enhanced, I don't
>know enough about the previous lightwave to explain the new features (sorry).
>The CG now supports color and it uses the mouse (Amiga friendly). The paint
>program is the same one in the previous version. One nice feature about the
>toaster is the ability to load, run and control ham8 anims in real time. YEA!
>We loaded some Ham8 anims and we could use the mouse to fast foward, reverse,
>play, etc. I very nice feature if you ask. One thing I did notice that seemed
>funny. There is a transition that uses transparency. There is a 50% off
>transition that is somewhat transparent. I wanna know if they colored that
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>effect to make it transparent, or does the toaster have a 8bit alpha channel
>which would then make it a 32bit color framebuffer? (if anyone knows, please
>post). Anyway, I must say that this new toaster is great. I hope to have a
>better message later on.
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I have seen a couple of mentions of some popular images
rendered with lightwave.  I once owned a toaster and an A2000 and am
very curious as to the quality and type of things people have been
doing.  Does anyone know how or where i can get some images, digital or
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I haven't had any luck sending this request to the admin address,
so I guess I'll try it again here.

Please remove me from the list, my account is closing in a few
days, and I don't want to bounce any mail :)

Again, sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but my requests to the
administrative address haven't worked.

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>You mean Renderman is not a ray-tracer... It uses shaders to create
>its images. A friend told me how shaders work generally and how they are
>used.

>I don't think Renderman ray-traces 100%... Then again, all ray-tracing
>programs (except for some very slow ones) are not real ray-tracing
>programs because they use tricks to speed up the process. A common one is
>terminating a RAY that comes from (or rather goes to, if you want to think
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I`m working with TDI`s software packedge TDImage on a IBM RS/6000 (the
software normally called EXPLORE on SGI workstations). This software is
modular and has a lot of programs to do the work. It has one RAY-tracer
and one RENDER-er program. The render can produce reflected and
shadowed objects, but you have to tell which objects shall have shadows
and reflection. If you produce an image with a high resolution (up to
1280 x 1024), the workstation will render let me say 25 minutes; with
the RAY programm where you can define how many rays and how often they
shall come up per pixel, the rendering (raytracing) time will range
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from one hour up to 12-15 hours. So if you produce a long animation
with 500 or more hundred images for a commercial spot, you can save a
lot of time if you render the images. Some design students here at our
educational system did an animation of 440 images. The animation
rending time was <11 hours with the renderer in a PAL videoresolution (768 x 576).
If someone out there is interested to see which quality the rendered
pictures have, then I can upload some nice images produced by me to
wuarchive in the imagine/art directory. You will see that there is no
difference to a raytraced image.
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If you look back to some of the early Toaster Flyers, they mention the alpha
channel being 8 bits.  When I asked their tech support why they didn't claim
32 bit framebuffers, I got the following reasons...
 1.The software doesn't use it yet (This was 1.0)
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   buffer.
 3.A lot of other products mislead users into thinking that 32 bit frame
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them on a Targa 32.  He ranted about how the colors were no longer as vivid,
and the lost contrast.  I finally had to find the docs on his Targa to show
him that it only was capable of 24 bit color.

Be seeing you...
-billm

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ECS chips is half that of the AGA, while HAM is 3/4 the bit plane depth
of HAM8.  You will get the insanely cool new lightwave though.  I Think
the "bones" feature will totally revolutionize the way we think about
doing "organic" animations.  Anyone out there know if this feature is
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>We finally got a A4000 Toaster with the beta software. All I can say is
>that it's GREAT!!! I was really never a VideoToaster fan until I started to
>play with this new toaster. The have MANY and I mean MANY new effects.

     I too saw the 4000 Tuesday in Boston, and yes, there are Lots of
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enough to make me change from my 2000 AT THIS TIME (for example; the
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pretty lame...). If I was just starting out, obviously the 4000 is
the way to go. If I had a much larger budget than I have I might
consider it. But I have a small budget, and already have a 2.0. I am
looking forward to 3.0, which I understand has many of the same
effects as the 4000. Which brings me to a question:
     I am not (YET) using Lightwave for animations, basically because
I lack a SFC VCR (or the money to get one...), but I am using LW to
make wonderful single frame backgrounds for titles, keying for live
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will be upgrading my HD this summer, and adding a Syquest. Assuming
for the moment that 3.0 does NOT come on a CD-Rom or Syquest cart, How
much disk space will 3.0 take? Also, has anyone tried the new 105 Meg
Syquest? Impressions?

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> I don't think Renderman ray-traces 100%...

I have not worked with Renderman, but it is my understanding that no percentage
of it raytraces.  Back in my youth I was talking to a fellow OSU student
that had taken a job at Pixar and he said they were as anti-raytrace as you
could get.

> Then again, all ray-tracing
> programs (except for some very slow ones) are not real ray-tracing
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> programs because they use tricks to speed up the process.

Nothing wrong with tricks.  Brute force is never the best way to do things.

> A common one is
> terminating a RAY that comes from (or rather goes to, if you want to think
> about it that way) the sky rather than tracing it through the atmosphere
> until it reaches the sky.

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to stop looking for an object-ray intersection and insert the backgroud color
or backdrop image color at that pixel.

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> You mean Renderman is not a ray-tracer... It uses shaders to create
> its images. A friend told me how shaders work generally and how they are
> used.
As far as I know Renderman is more a protocol interface than a program.  Other
programs output to Renderman sort of like imagine will output DCTV.

REYES is the program that Pixar uses to create all those great animations and it
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(rightly so) that in order to create animations (shorts or full length films)
and get them done in a resonable amount of time ray-tracing was right out.

> I don't think Renderman ray-traces 100%... Then again, all ray-tracing
> programs (except for some very slow ones) are not real ray-tracing

Excuse me.  "All ray-tracing program are not ray-tracing programs."  HUH.  If
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> programs because they use tricks to speed up the process. A common one is
> terminating a RAY that comes from (or rather goes to, if you want to think
If a ray tracer did not do things to speed up processing and wanted to do a
good then a ray-traced image would never finish in your life time.  (there
are an infinite number of light rays hitting a single spot)

All these programs render.  There are many techniques used to make the images
look better.  Ray-tracing gives you the ability to do some special things such
as reflection, refraction, motion blur, depth of field (focus).  These features
can be accomplished without ray tracing but it is very hard.  Doing something
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Let's make some points clear here:
-Lightwave is not a solid model renderer, it's a polygonal renderer.
Real 3D is a solid model renderer, what means that it describes 3D
surfaces through mathematical equations, faster to render and much more
memory efficient. Lightwave is a 3D program that describes surfaces
by multiple polygons. Most 3D programs are poligonal/triangular
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not reflection mapped (no reflection needed) or doesn't receive shadows
(no shadows needed), you will still see a very noticeable rendering
slow-down, mainly in shadows tracing. What lightwave 2.0 can't do (don't
know about Lightwave Pro) is reflection map a brush an trace real reflec-
tions in the same surface, like Imagine. Imagine, on its side, can't
reflection map a brush per surface. You can have only a global brush.
Same for Real 3D. Caligari has no ray-tracing at all.
-As I've already said, Lightwave *can* trace shadows, but very un-
realistic dark and hard-edged ones, in version 2.0. In Lightwave Pro
(Toaster 4000's version) you can have perfect soft edged shadows.
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that diminish its intensity along the distance (falloff). Real 3D V2,
with its diffuse light setting can produce 100% realistic shadows,
even better than Lightwave Pro's, but much slower. Caligari's shadow's
are a bit better then Lightwave's and much faster (not raytraced).
-A Toaster PAL version is very unlikely to appear, as the whole Toaster
software and hardware system architecture is based on the Amiga NTSC
architecture. It's not as hard as, but it's something like designing
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> So much for that!  Please remove me from the mailing list.  Thanks!

Since this is the second request I've seen ON the list for
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> I've just read that some people have the latest upgrades in the beta stages
> right now.  Does anyone have any idea when the upgrades will be out for the
> rest of us regular schmoes?

I have a pre-release version of the T4000 and software.  The current
incarnation only runs on the 4000.  The full software is due June 1st.

> I would also like to know what new features there are for those of us who

> won't be getting a 4000 soon and have to deal with a suped-up 2000.

Couldn't tell you that as I've only been able to run it on a 4000
since the 3000/2000 software was not included.

> According to one post, the new software will play back HAM8 animations in
> realtime.  My question: Can it also play back regular animations also?

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> > You mean Renderman is not a ray-tracer... It uses shaders to create
> > its images. A friend told me how shaders work generally and how they ar
> > > used.
> As far as I know Renderman is more a protocol interface than a program.  Other
> programs output to Renderman sort of like imagine will output DCTV.
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> is definately positively not a ray tracer.  It uses many techniques but its
> mostly an A-buffer with very complex shading built in.  Pixar made up there mind
> (rightly so) that in order to create animations (shorts or full length films)
> and get them done in a resonable amount of time ray-tracing was right out.
>
> > I don't think Renderman ray-traces 100%... Then again, all ray-tracing
> > programs (except for some very slow ones) are not real ray-tracing
>
> Excuse me.  "All ray-tracing program are not ray-tracing programs."  HUH.  If
> a program raytraces it traces rays.  If a rose is white it's still a rose.
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> > programs because they use tricks to speed up the process. A common one is
> > terminating a RAY that comes from (or rather goes to, if you want to think
> If a ray tracer did not do things to speed up processing and wanted to do a
> good then a ray-traced image would never finish in your life time.  (there
> are an infinite number of light rays hitting a single spot)
>
> All these programs render.  There are many techniques used to make the images
> look better.  Ray-tracing gives you the ability to do some special things such
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:>its images. A friend told me how shaders work generally and how they are
:>used.
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:>I don't think Renderman ray-traces 100%... Then again, all ray-tracing
:>programs (except for some very slow ones) are not real ray-tracing
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:and one RENDER-er program. The render can produce reflected and
:shadowed objects, but you have to tell which objects shall have shadows
:and reflection. If you produce an image with a high resolution (up to
:1280 x 1024), the workstation will render let me say 25 minutes; with
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:from one hour up to 12-15 hours. So if you produce a long animation
:with 500 or more hundred images for a commercial spot, you can save a
:lot of time if you render the images. Some design students here at our
:educational system did an animation of 440 images. The animation
:rending time was <11 hours with the renderer in a PAL videoresolution (768 x 576).
:If someone out there is interested to see which quality the rendered
:pictures have, then I can upload some nice images produced by me to
:wuarchive in the imagine/art directory. You will see that there is no
:difference to a raytraced image.
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+--  Breno A. Silva ([e-mail]) said:
| Let's make some points clear here:

I feel the need to clarify the clarifications.

| -Lightwave is not a solid model renderer, it's a polygonal renderer.
| Real 3D is a solid model renderer, what means that it describes 3D
| surfaces through mathematical equations, faster to render and much more
| memory efficient. Lightwave is a 3D program that describes surfaces
| by multiple polygons.
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CSG models are only more efficient if your object can be described
efficiently with the primitive solids allowed by the modeler.  Unless
there is a fractal landscape primitive in the solid modeler, Real 3D
will probably be much more INefficient than LightWave in its
description, for example.

| -You can't turn raytrace on for just one surface.

Not specifically, but in effect you can.  You can, for example, set up
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without, and if reflection tracing is turned on, the mapped surface
will have reflections computed from the reflection map (fast) and the
other reflective surface will have reflections calculated by raytracing
(slow).  Note that these two objects can be in the same scene, and only
those pixels which require raytracing will invoke the raytracer.  The
reflection mapped object can even be reflected in the raytraced one.

| If you activate trace
| reflections, refractions or shadow, you activate for the whole scene.
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| Even if your object is absolutely not transparent (no refraction needed)
| not reflection mapped (no reflection needed) or doesn't receive shadows
| (no shadows needed), you will still see a very noticeable rendering
| slow-down, mainly in shadows tracing.

To my knowledge, this is false.  Since LightWave is a selective raytracer,
if no tracing is required then the rendering time will be the same whether
raytracing options are on or off.  Obviously you can't have a slow-down in
shadow tracing if no shadows are traced.

Oh wait -- I think I see what you're saying.  If you have a shadow-casting
light illuminating a shadow-receiving object, then there will naturally
be a slow-down since the program has to calculate whether there are any
shadows on the object.  If you know there are none, just turn off
shadows on the light or the object.  Other objects or lights in the scene
can still have shadows.

| -As I've already said, Lightwave *can* trace shadows, but very un-
| realistic dark and hard-edged ones, in version 2.0.

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shadowed area.  If you use only one light, then the shadowed area
will be lit only by ambient light, which can look bad.  Using fill
lights, background lights and "radiosity" lights in addition to the
key light will make a scene with shadows much more realistic.  This
is a matter for the artist, not the software.

| In Lightwave Pro
| (Toaster 4000's version) you can have perfect soft edged shadows.

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shadows, which are NOT raytraced.  They can be many times faster than
raytraced shadows and will be several more factors faster still than
soft-edged shadows produced with raytracing.

Unfortunately, shadow mapping does not produce "perfect" shadows in
the geometric optics sense, but they can look quite good in many
circumstances.

| A quick tip here: remember that for perfect shadows, you need lights
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| that diminish its intensity along the distance (falloff).

While this may be more realistic physically, it may not necessarily
_look_ more realistic.  Use judgement.

| Caligari's shadow's
| are a bit better then Lightwave's and much faster (not raytraced).

LightWave's shadow map shadows are not raytraced either.  As with the
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>But my question is, can Lightwave do reas shadows? I have seen a few Lightwave
>pictures (The great ones from Mark Thompson (Floaty, Store, and Furnace)).
>Especially the Floaty-picture looks so as if Floaty is flying above the screen.
>I think the cause for this are the missing shadows. (But I'm totally amazed by
>the light-effects in Furnace :-) )

Not sure what you mean real shadows. LW 3.0 can use one of two methods for
shadow generation: ray casting and shadow mapping. Ray casting is traced
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less accuracy and they are limited to conical (spotlight) light sources.
The shadows in both Furnace and the new Creature image are shadow mapped.
Note that in the Creature image, some of the shadow casting detail on the
walls appears to be floating a few inches from the wall. This is due to a
problem in my beta software. Rest assured it will be fixed in the final
release software.

As for the Floaty picture, there were no shadows generated in that scene.
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that look like shadows. This was done to dramatically reduce render time
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> the "bones" feature will totally revolutionize the way we think about
> doing "organic" animations.  Anyone out there know if this feature is
> brought down from higher-end packages, or if it is a NewTek origional?

Softimage has something very similar to bones but the implementation is
slightly different. I like the interface to "bones" on Softimage better
but with time, it will improve on LW as well. I do know that a lot of the
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for its implementation from watching a Siggraph paper on 2D image morphing.
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> much disk space will 3.0 take?

I have heard that its approximately 80 MB. Of course you can dramatically
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Hi Guys,

I have two questions for the list:

    1:  How do you make a rocket's flames.  (I remember someone explaining
    how to do this but cant find the letter.)

    2:  What are the proper settings for the 'point' light to make a star,
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    and or a light (like in the Creature pict Mark?)  Havent had a lot
    of success with this one... :(

Thanks Guys...
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please usubscribe me.

    - Josh

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>  a peice of crap the toaster was because it would only load in his
> files (after an ADPro conversion) at 24 bit planes, when he had created
> them on a Targa 32.  He ranted about how the colors were no longer as vivid,
> and the lost contrast.  I finally had to find the docs on his Targa to show
> him that it only was capable of 24 bit color.

Actually, the 24 bit images probably did look much more vivid and have much
more contrast than on the Toaster.  He was probably looking at 24 bit data
on a computer monitor connected to the RGB out of the TARGA.  That is
going to look a lot better than ~21 bit composite NTSC video on a TV.
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look worse than the equivalent image shown in RGB on a computer monitor.

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>     2:  What are the proper settings for the 'point' light to make a star,
>     and or a light (like in the Creature pict Mark?)  Havent had a lot
>     of success with this one... :(

That would depend on whether or not you were using LW3 or not. If you are,
then you simply enable lens flare for that light source and select the
appropriate options (excuse me but I forget the exact terminology used):
Star - star streaks and possibly glow
Light (as in Creature pic) - glow and random streaks

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>     1:  How do you make a rocket's flames.  (I remember someone explaining
>     how to do this but cant find the letter.)

Rather than summarize, here is the text from my 1991 Amazing Computing article
which talked about this kind of stuff (this was for LW1):

Rocket Blasts

A possibly less obvious use for transparency mapping is for varying an
object's apparent density.  For example, a simulated rocket blast might be
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fully opaque at the end of the exhaust but gradually become totally
transparent at the bottom of the blast.  There are several ways to achieve
this including an image map and using Texture Falloff.  This effect works
well when viewed from the proper angle but when the view shifts toward the
fully transparent end, the object will appear to disappear if it is made up
of 1 sided polygons.  Back face culling will remove the more opaque
polygons from the other side of the blast leaving only the transparent ones
at the bottom, which of course are invisible so the object disappears.  The
obvious solution is to use 2 sided polygons which is generally a good idea
for most transparent objects. This will not be necessary in the next release
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will both reduce memory consumed by two-sided polygons and remove this burden
from the modeler. Three uses of transparency can be seen in figure 4.

Noisy Surfaces

Another feature unique to LightWave is the fractal noise texture and it is
perhaps one of my favorite.  It can produce a pseudo-random modulation of
color, diffuse lighting, specular lighting, transparency, reflection
mapping, and bump mapping.  The manual mentions using it for things like
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rust, dirt, or natural looking simulated terrain, but these are just the
tip of the iceberg.  Some of the things I have used it for include flames,
smoke, clouds, patchy fog, and comet trails as well as simpler surfaces
like carpeting, stucco, or stone.  What really makes fractal noise so much
more powerful than an image map however is the ability to give it a 3D
velocity vector that will not repeat on itself.  You could for example
apply an image map to a surface that when given a velocity, looked like a
flickering flame.  However, the flicker pattern will repeat as soon as the
image map has moved a distance equal to its size (depending on the
velocity), creating a monotonous and mechanical look.  Fractal noise on the
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One example of animated fractal noise is some dark sooty smoke I did for an
industrial cityscape.  To create the object, I stretched and manipulated a
sphere until it looked like a somewhat fat and irregular upside down tear
drop.  It was then given fractal noise color and transparency as well as
clear Edge Opacity.  The colors assigned were two dark shades of gray and a
Y velocity of a few feet/second made the smoke appear to rise.  Smaller X
and Z velocities were added (about 1/10th that of Y) to give it a little
variation.  Similar, but not identical, velocities were assigned to the
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produced a very convincing smoke effect (see figure 5).  Combining a
luminous orange fractal noise tear drop with with the glow effects
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This is just a test of the system here.  I've changed nothing on my end
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> This is just a test of the system here.  I've changed nothing on my end
> and all seems fine here but we haven't received anything in several
> days.  I haven't received a single article to the list since the 24th
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> I will continue to check into it.
>

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Thinking about buying a Video Toaster 4000 or getting an

upgrade?

I am organizing a bulk purchase of Video Toasters for

anyone interested. The more people we have, the better

price we can negotiate per toaster...

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MR STUART FERGURSON REPLIED:

>+--  BRENO A. SILVA ([e-mail]) SAID:

>| LET'S MAKE SOME POINTS CLEAR HERE:

>I FEEL THE NEED TO CLARIFY THE CLARIFICATIONS.
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>| -LIGHTWAVE IS NOT A SOLID MODEL RENDERER, IT'S A POLYGONAL RENDERER.
>| REAL 3D IS A SOLID MODEL RENDERER, WHAT MEANS THAT IT DESCRIBES 3D
>| SURFACES THROUGH MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS, FASTER TO RENDER AND MUCH MOe
>| MEMORY EFFICIENT. LIGHTWAVE IS A 3D PROGRAM THAT DESCRIBES SURFACES
>| BY MULTIPLE POLYGONS.

>CSG MODELS ARE ONLY MORE EFFICIENT IF YOUR OBJECT CAN BE DESCRIBED
>EFFICIENTLY WITH THE PRIMITIVE SOLIDS ALLOWED BY THE MODELER.  UNLESS
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>THERE IS A FRACTAL LANDSCAPE PRIMITIVE IN THE SOLID MODELER, REAL 3D
>WILL PROBABLY BE MUCH MORE INEFFICIENT THAN LIGHTWAVE IN ITS
>DESCRIPTION, FOR EXAMPLE.
'Probably' it's not 'surely', surely. The point you probably forgot
is that CSG models can be described not only by primitives, which
for itself it's enough for lots of applications, and I repeat, face
jaggies-free. You can also modify the CSG model heavily with boolean
operations, and you all know how much boolean operators can be a pain
for polygonal renderers. In Real 3D the calculation is almost instan-
taneous, and the rendering much faster than a mesh-only modeler, with
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the extra benefit of not having to worry with points or polygon
proximity, like in Imagine. *But*, if you tryed to say you won't have
much flexibility with CSG, I totally agree with you. A face, for exam-
ple, it's not suited for CSG modelling. The problem is: I didn't say
it! I just said that a similar model in polygons renders slower than
in CSG, but that presumes similar models, i.e., suited for both. Clear?

>| -YOU CAN'T TURN RAYTRACE ON FOR JUST ONE SURFACE.

>NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IN EFFECT YOU CAN.  YOU CAN, FOR EXAMPLE, SET UP
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>TWO REFLECTIVE SURFACES IN A SCENE, ONE WITH A REFLECTION MAP AND ONE
>WITHOUT, AND IF REFLECTION TRACING IS TURNED ON, THE MAPPED SURFACE
>WILL HAVE REFLECTIONS COMPUTED FROM THE REFLECTION MAP (FAST) AND THE
>OTHER REFLECTIVE SURFACE WILL HAVE REFLECTIONS CALCULATED BY RAYTRACING
>(SLOW).  NOTE THAT THESE TWO OBJECTS CAN BE IN THE SAME SCENE, AND ONLY
>THOSE PIXELS WHICH REQUIRE RAYTRACING WILL INVOKE THE RAYTRACER.  THE
>REFLECTION MAPPED OBJECT CAN EVEN BE REFLECTED IN THE RAYTRACED ONE.
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>| IF YOU ACTIVATE TRACE
>| REFLECTIONS, REFRACTIONS OR SHADOW, YOU ACTIVATE FOR THE WHOLE SCENE.
>| EVEN IF YOUR OBJECT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRANSPARENT (NO REFRACTION NEEDd)
>| NOT REFLECTION MAPPED (NO REFLECTION NEEDED) OR DOESN'T RECEIVE SHADOs
>| (NO SHADOWS NEEDED), YOU WILL STILL SEE A VERY NOTICEABLE RENDERING
>| SLOW-DOWN, MAINLY IN SHADOWS TRACING.
>TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS FALSE.  SINCE LIGHTWAVE IS A SELECTIVE RAYTRACr,
>IF NO TRACING IS REQUIRED THEN THE RENDERING TIME WILL BE THE SAME WHETer
>RAYTRACING OPTIONS ARE ON OR OFF.  OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T HAVE A SLOW-DOWNin
>SHADOW TRACING IF NO SHADOWS ARE TRACED.
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Your technical manual-reader knowledge is not totally right. In *practice*,
that's what really means, Even on faster processors, the program slow downs.
Tipically 3-6 seconds. I don't know why it happens, but it's probably - and
that's a guess - in the rendering initializing process, when it first needs
to detect which polygons will be ray-traced or not. As to the slow-down,
it's obviously ridiculous in these situations, but what normally happens is
that you want a water with a high refraction index and a big glass which
should have no ray-tracing, with a refraction index of one. Guess what?
You can't! It will slow, and now will tipically double your rendering time.
Your selective ray-tracer theory now totally fails, as even though the re-
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be much higher, the software doesn't make any distinction. Sorry for don't
making that out clear enough.

>OH WAIT -- I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.  IF YOU HAVE A SHADOW-CASTng
>LIGHT ILLUMINATING A SHADOW-RECEIVING OBJECT, THEN THERE WILL NATURALLY
>BE A SLOW-DOWN SINCE THE PROGRAM HAS TO CALCULATE WHETHER THERE ARE ANY
>SHADOWS ON THE OBJECT.  IF YOU KNOW THERE ARE NONE, JUST TURN OFF
>SHADOWS ON THE LIGHT OR THE OBJECT.  OTHER OBJECTS OR LIGHTS IN THE SCEe
>CAN STILL HAVE SHADOWS.
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>| -AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, LIGHTWAVE *CAN* TRACE SHADOWS, BUT VERY UN-
>| REALISTIC DARK AND HARD-EDGED ONES, IN VERSION 2.0.

>THE DARKNESS OF THE SHADOW WILL DEPEND ON WHAT LIGHT FALLS IN THE
>SHADOWED AREA.  IF YOU USE ONLY ONE LIGHT, THEN THE SHADOWED AREA
>WILL BE LIT ONLY BY AMBIENT LIGHT, WHICH CAN LOOK BAD.  USING FILL
>LIGHTS, BACKGROUND LIGHTS AND "RADIOSITY" LIGHTS IN ADDITION TO THE
>KEY LIGHT WILL MAKE A SCENE WITH SHADOWS MUCH MORE REALISTIC.  THIS
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>IS A MATTER FOR THE ARTIST, NOT THE SOFTWARE.
I agree, I just gave a typical result, and lot of the top artists have
problems with it in their masterpieces. As to me, I have no problem
with it, as I've developed a soft edge shadow technique since Toaster
2.0 release. There's your artist.

>| IN LIGHTWAVE PRO
>| (TOASTER 4000'S VERSION) YOU CAN HAVE PERFECT SOFT EDGED SHADOWS.
Once again, my "perfect" it's just an overall impression about the
results. If you want to take everything I say literally, mr. Stuart,
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(literally) anywhere out of the real world. Full stop.

>NOTE THAT THE SOFT-EDGED SHADOWS IN LIGHTWAVE 3.0 ARE "SHADOW MAP"
>SHADOWS, WHICH ARE NOT RAYTRACED.  THEY CAN BE MANY TIMES FASTER THAN
>RAYTRACED SHADOWS AND WILL BE SEVERAL MORE FACTORS FASTER STILL THAN
>SOFT-EDGED SHADOWS PRODUCED WITH RAYTRACING.
>UNFORTUNATELY, SHADOW MAPPING DOES NOT PRODUCE "PERFECT" SHADOWS IN
>THE GEOMETRIC OPTICS SENSE, BUT THEY CAN LOOK QUITE GOOD IN MANY
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>| A QUICK TIP HERE: REMEMBER THAT FOR PERFECT SHADOWS, YOU NEED LIGHTS
>| THAT DIMINISH ITS INTENSITY ALONG THE DISTANCE (FALLOFF).
>WHILE THIS MAY BE MORE REALISTIC PHYSICALLY, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY
>_LOOK_ MORE REALISTIC.  USE JUDGEMENT.
Of course you shall use your judgement! This one is for closed places,
like rooms or bathrooms. Didn't say anything about simulating a landsca-
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nimal knowledge and good sense! Don't treat them as small children!

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>| CALIGARI'S SHADOW'S
>| ARE A BIT BETTER THEN LIGHTWAVE'S AND MUCH FASTER (NOT RAYTRACED).
Once again, just a general impression, NOT a rule.
>LIGHTWAVE'S SHADOW MAP SHADOWS ARE NOT RAYTRACED EITHER.  AS WITH THE
>DIFFERENT REFLECTION METHODS, RAYTRACED SHADOWS AND SHADOW MAP SHADOWS
>CAN BE MIXED IN THE SAME SCENE.
So what? Simply because two renderers use similar methods it doesn't mean
their render quality will be the same or even similar. Not even worth a
comment...

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Well, now that I'm aware that there are gramatical and literal-expressions
watchmen,I'll be much more careful about how I say what I say. It's always
boring, though, to see someone take the time to review every comma of what
we said. Anyway, I'm sure that I didn't make any mistake, just didn't made
myself clear enough for a clarification. Next time I'll probably let it to
mr. Literal Fergurson, as I'm tired to pointlessly discuss about minor de-
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I have created a license plate object for the porsche and
have captured a gentlemans business sign to texture map to
the license plate.  I have cropped and adjusted the image.

But when I map the texture with 'planar image map' on the 'Y'
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> But when I map the texture with 'planar image map' on the 'Y'
> axis and autosize the image and then render it, the license
> plate appears as a mirrored image.

Do you mean the image you are mapping is coming out backards? An easy fix
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> I said it, and I repeat it: You *can't* turn tracing for just 1 surface!

You MOST CERTAINLY CAN! I don't know what leads you to your conclusion but
it is not accurate at all.

> Your technical manual-reader knowledge is not totally right.

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> >LIGHTWAVE'S SHADOW MAP SHADOWS ARE NOT RAYTRACED EITHER.  AS WITH THE
> >DIFFERENT REFLECTION METHODS, RAYTRACED SHADOWS AND SHADOW MAP SHADOWS
> >CAN BE MIXED IN THE SAME SCENE.
> So what? Simply because two renderers use similar methods it doesn't mean
> their render quality will be the same or even similar. Not even worth a
> comment...

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>Date: Mon, 10 May 93 09:04:21 EDT
>From: David Watters <[e-mail]>
>
>They are not cutting the consumers cost because 99% of Amiga owners do not have
>an IDE drive that is big enough and fast enough so they are going to need to
>purchase one... myself included.
>However, how many of us have SCSI drives that fit the bill?  I know I have
>access to HP's 233MB, 422MB, and 1GB SCSI-II FAST drives.  So now I have to
>buy an IDE drive that will be stuck as a DPS drive only?  That SUCKS!
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>In addition...with every machine comming after the 4000T having a SCSI-II FAST
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>myself to use drives they already have, or use a drive for more than one
>purpose.

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   The problem with what you suggest is that they need a dedicated drive
   (and probably controller) anyway in order to assure 30fps playback.
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   favors the IDE solution), it's really irrelevant what kind of separate
   disk and controller they make you buy.  You wouldn't be able to use
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>Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
>>"Scott Jones (Dr. Jones)" <[e-mail]>

>> But when I map the texture with 'planar image map' on the 'Y'
>> axis and autosize the image and then render it, the license
>> plate appears as a mirrored image.

>Do you mean the image you are mapping is coming out backards? An easy fix
>to this is to make your X dimension in the texture size negative.

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  I'm guessing that Scott uses the modeller in the default viewing mode,
and when he created the license plate for the car, what looked like the
front is actually the back. So, the image is actually being mapped to the
opposite side of the plate and you "see through it" and it appears
backwards (I'm assuming the "double-sided" is also turned on). I'd suggest
turning the license plate around 180 degrees and rendering again to see
if it appears normal.

  And if I'm way off base here, please forgive me - but I made the same
mistake once (thinking the back was the front and turning on "double-sided").
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> >Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
> >>"Scott Jones (Dr. Jones)" <[e-mail]>
>
> >> But when I map the texture with 'planar image map' on the 'Y'
> >> axis and autosize the image and then render it, the license
> >> plate appears as a mirrored image.
>
> >Do you mean the image you are mapping is coming out backards? An easy fix
> >to this is to make your X dimension in the texture size negative.
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>   I'm guessing that Scott uses the modeller in the default viewing mode,
> and when he created the license plate for the car, what looked like the
> front is actually the back. So, the image is actually being mapped to the
> opposite side of the plate and you "see through it" and it appears
> backwards (I'm assuming the "double-sided" is also turned on). I'd suggest
> turning the license plate around 180 degrees and rendering again to see
> if it appears normal.
>
>   And if I'm way off base here, please forgive me - but I made the same
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> :^)
>
>

I made sure I didnt have that problem when I modeled the object..  Even though
the license plate has no aparent thickness I still made sure that it had
two distinct surfaces 'license-plate' and 'license-plate-back'.  And while
in the modeler I aligned the plate with the car to make sure I had the
right surfaces facing the right directions...
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Marks solution took care of the prob..  Another fix that I used before
getting Mark's letter back was to flip the image horizontally in AdPro..
compished the same thing I guess..

If I remember right I found a section in the LW manual that talked about
how a texture map is reflected onto the surface..  Please keep in mind,
If I remember right..

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has heard whether Lightwave 3.0 will include
an IMagine loader? Also, is the Studio 3D loader for Lightwave 3.0 improved?
I had read somewhere that the Interchange Studio 3D converter was improved
over the Lightwave loader.
I have not heard anyone mention Lightwave 3.0's particle system. Is this
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[e-mail] writes:
> Hi, I was wondering if anyone has heard whether Lightwave 3.0 will include
> an IMagine loader? Also, is the Studio 3D loader for Lightwave 3.0 improved?
> I had read somewhere that the Interchange Studio 3D converter was improved
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All of them have been improved beyond what was present in Toaster
version 2.0.

The family tree is like this:  In the beginning was InterChange v1.x.
Several years ago, we began work on IC v2.0, improving the surface
definitions and support for very large objects.  This code was
released in the form of the TIO Converters in Toaster 2.0 before it
became InterChange Plus v2.0.

By the time ICP v2.0 was ready, we'd already improved the high-end
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that was newer and better than what was in Toaster.  (Of course, any
InterChange Converter is more powerful than what's in the Toaster,
simply because the Toaster's TIO system only imports and the ICP
Converters let you export to each format, too.)

We've greatly improved the Wavefront Converter.  Wavefront stores its
model info in two files, a geometry file and a materials file. Often,
people don't have the material file, so we've made the Converter
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> From [e-mail] Tue Jun  8 07:44:16 1993
> Subject: Re: I WANT SOFT SHADOWS!

> > Real3D will not be used by anyone
> > for comercial CG production if they have ANY wits about them.
>
> Gee, I plan to, and I'm paid to have my wits about me...

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> The "speed" argument Mr. Thompson is so fond of doesn't hold up in this day
> and age.  It's easier to buy more CPU power (when you can get an '040
> equipped 2000 for under $1K now, used) than it is to buy a Toaster and all
> the extra crud with it and then deal with all the Lightwave crap.

First, I have used R3D2 on a 28Mhz '040.  It is a d...o...g... dog.
Second, what are you going to display your R3D output on?  You get a great,
 free encoder when you purchase LW.
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Fourth, what Lightwave crap are you speaking of anyways?

> I use
> Imagine now and will move to Real3D as soon as I can.  When I can, sure, I
> use scanline, but if I have to, I don't hesitate to use trace mode.

What scanline are you talking about?  The scanline renderer in imagine is
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> easy access to two more networked '040s and as I said, if you're in that big
> a hurry, you're bringing in the kind of money that lets you buy more anyhow.

Don't you realize that these precious '040s increase the speed of LW as well?
Don't you realize that if (on the extreme end) you could realtime render at
a resolution of 768x480x24 you would be more productive than if you had to do
320x200xHam6 renders at 15min/frame?
How much time do you spend rendering test images while setting up scenes before
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> If you're in that big a hurry and NOT bringing in that kind of money, then
> you're pricing yourself too low...

Huh?

In CGP time is simply money.  You have your time... you have machine time.
It doesn't matter what CPU you have, or how many CPUs you have... If your
renderer is 4x slower than mine and they have competitive output... I am
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>> I said it, and I repeat it: You *can't* turn tracing for just 1 surface!

>You MOST CERTAINLY CAN! I don't know what leads you to your conclusion but
>it is not accurate at all.

Oh yeah? Tell me which *surface* gadget activates or disable ray-tracing!
For the last time, transparent surfaces with an index of refraction 1
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to be ray-traced. If in practical terms you can turn off shadow tracing
for a surface, you can't select tracing of refle/refractions on for just
one surface, as far as I know, that is. If that is a way, tell me, I'll
be very glad to know!

>> Your technical manual-reader knowledge is not totally right.

>Breno, do you realize who you are replying to? Stuart Ferguson is the author
>of LightWave's Modeler and is more than just casually informed about the
>program's operation.
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No, I didn't know it. Anyway, he read the manual, didn't he? <:-) Just worse
that he understood what I meant... anyway, his knowledge of the matter
is obvious, it was just a joke. I simply found out, through his own
expressions, he had never tested it in practice. If I was offensive, sorry.

>> >LIGHTWAVE'S SHADOW MAP SHADOWS ARE NOT RAYTRACED EITHER.  AS WITH THE
>> >DIFFERENT REFLECTION METHODS, RAYTRACED SHADOWS AND SHADOW MAP SHADOWS
>> >CAN BE MIXED IN THE SAME SCENE.
>> So what? Simply because two renderers use similar methods it doesn't mean
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>> their render quality will be the same or even similar. Not even worth a
>> comment...

>Huh?...What?  Stuart's point about the ability to use both shadow mapping
>and ray-traced shadows in the same scene is quite significant. If this
>doesn't sound significant to you, you must not understand what it means.

I didn't say it wasn't important, it IS VERY important, I realize it!
It didn't have nothing to do with what I said about their quality of
render, that was, after all, an overall impression, so not really worh
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(Don't get upset with all my comments! I'm generally kidding! ;-)

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> I just subscribed to the mail and am now getting all kinds of mail dealing
> with subscribing and unsubscribing. Did I get on the wrong distribution?
>
> Thanks Tim Salazar [e-mail]
> BTW I still want to be on the mail list if it exists. I did get one mail.
>
>
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Happy LightWaving...
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Does anyone know if the new lightwave/modeler will be a little more friendly
for multitasking?  What's needed is a switch to turn off updating to the frame
buffer when rendering (not needed when rendering IFF-24 to disk, and updating
the frame buffer flashes the RGB screen in a very annoying way - in fact the
Toaster has a lot of annoying screen flashing when saving frames, dejittering
frames, etc., but I digress).  What's also needed is the ability to run the
modeler for object creation _while_ rendering some other project.  For that
matter, how about being able to design one animation while rendering another?

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> Mr. mark Thompson wrote:
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> >> I said it, and I repeat it: You *can't* turn tracing for just 1 surface!
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> >You MOST CERTAINLY CAN! I don't know what leads you to your conclusion but
> >it is not accurate at all.
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> Oh yeah? Tell me which *surface* gadget activates or disable ray-tracing!
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> for a surface, you can't select tracing of refle/refractions on for just
> one surface, as far as I know, that is. If that is a way, tell me, I'll
> be very glad to know!

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> > Oh yeah? Tell me which *surface* gadget activates or disable ray-tracing!
> > For the last time, transparent surfaces with an index of refraction 1
> > *will* be ray-traced unnecessarily, if you just needed one other surface
> > to be ray-traced. If in practical terms you can turn off shadow tracing
> > for a surface, you can't select tracing of refle/refractions on for just
> > one surface, as far as I know, that is. If that is a way, tell me, I'll
> > be very glad to know!

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Well now that I think I understand Breno's complaint, there is *some* validity
to it. There is definitely not a surface gadget for toggling tracing. It
is done through shadow control, reflected image specification, and the trace
selection buttons in the camera window. Obviously shadow tracing is not
controlled on a per surface basis because that wouldn't make sense. It is
handled by object and light specification. Reflection on the other hand
can be controlled on a per surface basis (as Stuart originally pointed out).
If a surface is reflective and trace reflections is enabled, you control
whether or not it is traced with the "reflected image" specification. If no
image is specified, the surface is traced. Otherwise the specified image
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is reflected using a Y axis based spherical mapping. Now to be honest, I do
not recall if refraction is intelligent enough to check for an index of 1.0
to disable tracing (I thought I recall Allen stating that it did) but
I VERY seldom use refraction. But there is an easy way to test. LightWave
render order is as follows: traced surfaces, opaque sufaces, transparent
surfaces. So place three objects in your scene, one transparent with an index
of 1.0 and non-reflective, one opaque and non-reflective, and one trasparent
with an index > 1. If the index=1 transparent object does render last, then
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There seems to be some confusion: the "mailing list" in question is a
snail mail, US Postal Service, on-paper newsletter.  It is not an
electronic mail mailing list.  Send your mailing address to receive
the next issue of the Syndesis newsletter.

To answer the other most popular questions, yes, this disc can be
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>Toaster has a lot of annoying screen flashing when saving frames, dejittering

>frames, etc., but I digress).  What's also needed is the ability to run the

>modeler for object creation _while_ rendering some other project.  For that

>matter, how about being able to design one animation while rendering another?
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>     What does IDE stand for?

I was told once that it stood for Integrated Digital Expansion, I
was also told it was for Intelligent Disk (Drive) Expansion.
We are a bit biased to SCSI around here so when I have asked in the past I
always got I Don't care Either...IDE.

>Can both exist on the same system?

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>  I ask because I
>     already have a SCSI controller in my 2500/30.  I am interested in
>     the DPS harddrive animation system and realize it needs an IDE
>     interface.

It has it's own IDE interface onboard.  The DPS PAR with work in a system
that has a SCSI controller.

I hate to make a plug, but if people are planning on getting a drive for
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the DPS Personal Animation Recorder... I strongly suggest you get in touch
with the company I work for as we are a distributor for many high-end drive
vendors including HP and the better Seagate stuff and I believe the
Seagate 3600A is  the only drive that has been qualified so far.
I will own a DPS PAR myself so you will have some experienced technical
support if you get the drive here.

Believe me... I don't care if you get the drive here or not... the money
doesn't go into my pocket... although I would enjoy getting to talk to a lot
of Amiga people that need help instead of a day full of Unix dweebs. :)
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While we are at it... if you need any large hard disks, MagnetoOptical drives,
or tape (4mm DDS/DAT, 8mm, etc.) give Cranel a call because you will get
some decent pricing from a distributor and I will get to talk to a lot more
of you!  We also sell multi-Terabyte optical systems if you are rendering
a lot! :)

Cranel's number is [phone] or [phone]
You can find info and adds from Cranel in most Unix and Imaging Rags such
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Hope this wasn't too bad... I just hate that we don't sell to many Amiga
users... some Universities here and there that we are already under contract
with but that is it.

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Are you thinking about buying a Video Toaster 4000 or
getting an upgrade? ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SAVING MONEY?

This is a reminder that I am organizing a group purchase
of new Video Toasters in the MONTREAL, CANADA region.

This is the way it works:

If ten of us buy at the same time, each of us will pay
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You can choose any upgrade path that will be offered
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1. Software only
2. Trade in old board
3. Get new board and keep old board

The new Toaster should be available within two weeks. We
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Thanks Mark! :)
I'm glad to see that finally someone got what I was trying to say! Phew!
Yes, I was talking 'bout no direct toggle for tracing disabling in the
surface settings... I was already afraid that there was one that I didn't
see, but in fact THERE ISN'T!
I was not trying to start a discussion right in my first mail, and I'm
sure I'm not a great authority or expert in Lightwave like Ron Thornton,
I just can't stand people telling me I'm wrong if I AM NOT!
I totally, irrestrictively agree with you! You most certainly can reduce
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non-traced one using the correspondent surface setting for reflection
mapping zero, and setting the object to non-shadow casting, but my tests
revealed that refractive index 1 takes sometimes twice as long when the
scene is traced than when it's not traced, and leads to the same result.
That is mostly important, if there's something a software can't simulate
without ray-tracing, its name is refraction! It's something I often use
to render superb crystals to smash the competitors PC artists, and if the
rendering time can be reduced, no matter if it's something not extremely
used like refraction, I think it would be a welcome addition, and surely
not a difficult task for someone that creates lens flare routines - that
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Talking about suggestions, how can I send them to Allen directly? Any
e-mail adress available?

Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])
TAS Video Computer Graphics Tech Director

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> I hate to make a plug, but if people are planning on getting a drive for
> the DPS Personal Animation Recorder... I strongly suggest you get in touch
> with the company I work for...


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I have been flooded with requests for pricing information on this drive, so
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The Situation:

Cranel Inc., is a distributor of mass storage and imaging products.  Cranel
sells almost exclusively to VARs (Value Added Resellers) and VADs (Value
Added Dealers) in the Unix storage and DOS/Windows - OS/2 imagine markets.

Cranel, as a distributor, does not sell into any Amiga markets directly, and
there are currently no Cranel VAD/VAR customers servicing Amiga customers.
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As a unique situation, and as a personal project, I am providing a quote on
a storage product to my fellow Amiga users and graphics artist.

I am recieving _no_ commission or compensation for this, which is why I don't
have a problem with this article.  It is merely a gesture of friendship to
those of you I talk to through Email, mailing lists, newgroups, or in person.
It is also my little bit to help service a platform that gets nothing but
disrespect from the markets Cranel services everyday.

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If I can just get someone like HP to notice that a few of their drives are
being sold to Amiga owners I will have accomplished something.


The Quote:

The only drive to have been qualified on the DPS Personal Animation Recorder
so far has been the Seagate 3600A.

The 3600A is a 540MB formatted IDE drive
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It has a 10.5ms average seek for reads and a 12ms average seek for writes.
It is rated at 200k power hours between failure and draws 5.5watts idle.
The drive runs at 5,411RPM for a average lantency of 5.54ms.
It is a low-profile drive with dimmensions of; 1" high, 4" wide, 5.75" deep,
and it is 1.65lbs.
It has a 256KB multisegmented cache and a 2 year warrenty.
(This is all from the spec sheet)

The price is $750 plus shipping and must be done COD, Visa, or Mastercard.
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You must be a current member of one of the Amiga related mailing lists
at this time to be able to get it at this price.  This is merely to limit
the scope of who is involved.

I would like to publicly ask the administrators of these list if they could
send me a current subscription list to help keep things fair.

If you are interested you should get in touch with me through Email at:
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This unique situation does not apply to any current or future Cranel
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sooo has anyone heard when the upgrades will be avail?  Will dealers be
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Greetings lightwave list.  This is my first posting, so please excuse
any nettiquette goofs.

In the Computer Graphics Resource Listing extracted from pit-manager.mit.edu
there is the following information:

  5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists
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In trying to subscribe, my mail was intercepted by NASA.  Is anyone aware
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Ok, I think that almost everybody that subscribes this list is a bit
tendencious about Lightwave, but now that we have a great choice to
do (at least the ones who can't afford both options) we must put down
our flags and be realistic, since our main goal, as 3D artists, is to
use the best tools to achieve the best result possible.
So, going directly to the point, I would like you all to express your
oppinions about which one is better, LWPro or R3DV2, and why.
Obviously not everybody is totally aware of all the features of LWPro
and R3DV2, so if someone have the time, please list LWPro's features.
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the software and dongle package, and I received absolutely no reply
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so if anybody has any suggestion of what should I do, please tell me)
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>    From alphacm!ocnet![e-mail] Sun Jun 20 08:18:40 1993
>    OK guys a local dealer of mine got word that his distributer has Toaster
>    4000's in Stock and ready for sale.
>
>    sooo has anyone heard when the upgrades will be avail?  Will dealers be
>    able to handle them? or must we go directly through NewTek?
>
>    -Scott
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>Which "local dealer" and "which distributer"?  Do you have any names
>and numbers?  Thanks..
>--ghg
>

Sure, New York Camera & Video in Quarkerstown PA is the dealer I know of that
according to Don has "Plenty to sell" right now.  Call em up, ask for Don
Ballance, at 215-538-9233.  They will ship anywhere, tell him Scott sent ya.
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BUT no indication was given about UPGRADES!  if anyone hears of ANYTHING
about when and where let us know on this LIST!

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As far as I know, that list was dissolved almost a year ago. The guy who
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> oppinions about which one is better, LWPro or R3DV2, and why.

No contest, LW3. I don't even consider R3D worth the $200 I have seen it
sell for used. Many of the people I know who have bought it are looking to
sell it or already have. Its not as big a disaster as Alladin was, but it is
far more hype than substance. It is bug ridden, HORRIBLY slow, and has a
ridiculous user interface (fortunately the later is configureable). Many
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I certainly don't have time for that, but go to your dealer, it's now available.

> I can list R3DV2's features, as I have its manual.

Trust me, features lists are meaningless and extremely deceptive, especially
for comparisons. What matters is implementation, ease of use, functionality,
speed, and versatilty. R3D does have some interesting capabilities, but it
is still very much a hobbyist program. But don't take my word for it, I urge
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The most recent person I spoke on this subject, Charles Lee, was doing
molecular visualization with R3Dv2 figuring he needed RPL to drive the
animation from his data. Concerned over the 3hr/frame rendering times
he was getting (even with all CSG primitives), he contacted me to ask if
LW3 could could do the job. After looking at his application, I told him
about the new and existing Arexx support which will suit his needs nicely.
He is now a VERY happy owner of a new T4000. I haven't heard how he is
doing with it yet, but having seen what he was modeling, I am certain he
is getting at least a 30x speed improvement. He is now hoping to unload
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like to pick up a used copy to play with, he can be reached at:
[e-mail]
But who knows, you may like it. Sean Cunningham seems fairly pleased with
it much to my surprise. But then I don't think Sean has used LW3 either :-)
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    I am curious as to the object limits imposed upon LW3. LW2 had an
object limit of 150 which was very limiting for certain applications.

    Are there any facilities within LW3 for particle animation? I am
mostly interested in effects like showers of sparks. Very time consuming to
do in LW2.

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> >   -------
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> As far as I know, that list was dissolved almost a year ago. The guy who
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Would any of you be interested in my picking up the Toaster list and
running it also from bobsbox?  It would be fairly simple for me to do
and I think we need a general Toaster mailing list anyway to handle
all the generalized Toaster talk.

Comments?

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Okay, I just got my new toy and I am trying to figure out how to use
it (toaster).  Please point me to the FAQs if this is not appropriate.

How do I make lightwave output to straight ANIM format?

Thanks for any help.

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be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
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> Does anyone know of a source for 3D models of dinosaurs which can
> be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
> tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
> dinosaurs as well.

Hmmmmm, wonder what he's trying to reproduce?  ;-)  If anyone has seen the
dinosaur animation that ILM did for Jurassic Park, then you'd know what I mean.
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Organization: The Graphics BBS (2D,3D,GIF,Animation) +1 908/469-0049
From: [e-mail] (Bob Lindabury - SysAdm)
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> Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:
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> Would any of you be interested in my picking up the Toaster list and
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> and I think we need a general Toaster mailing list anyway to handle
> all the generalized Toaster talk.
>
> Comments?
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    I for one would like to see that happen . . . not that I am not
   interested in Lightwave but it's only a part of what I do with the
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> Does anyone know of a source for 3D models of dinosaurs which can
> be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
> tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
> dinosaurs as well.

Something (maybe ESP) makes me think that ILM has some. 8^)

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> Okay, I just got my new toy and I am trying to figure out how to use
> it (toaster).  Please point me to the FAQs if this is not appropriate.
>
> How do I make lightwave output to straight ANIM format?

The best you can do with Ligthwave itself is to save each frame rendered
as an IFF-24.  You need to specify in the Record area that you wish to
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Then in the background you can run a utility that was designed to snoop in
a directory and when new images appear they are loaded, converted, and added
to a list of images.
One program that I used a lot in the past was ADAM, which stands for
Automatic DCTV Animation Maker.  This program would run concurrently with
Lightwave and when another IFF-24 showed up in the specified directory, it
would convert it to the DCTV mode previously chosen.  Once all of the frames
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used it in a while).  I can't remember if Rend24 makes the anim for you when
you are done, but if it doesn't you could manually use 'makeanim' which
takes in a list of images to be turned into an anim (including the first two
images repeated at the end for looping anims) and compresses them into
Anim5.

I have not looked into makeanim-type utilities that have come out recently
and possibly support AGA, but you can find these things on most BBSs, in
the Fish disks, and on an aminet site.
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>Hmmmmm, wonder what he's trying to reproduce?  ;-)  If anyone has seen the
>dinosaur animation that ILM did for Jurassic Park, then you'd know what I mean.
> Incredibly realistic animation.  Could it be done with Lightwave?  Hmmmm.

Nope.  The onscreen Lightwave graphics (to be seen on the jeep monitors) was
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Lightwave was used for motion test _early_ in the CG process.

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> On another note - Is the motion blur feature of Lightwave intended to simulate
> the reproduction of 60 fields per second on a 30 frame per second anim?  Just
> wondering....

Motion blur is simply to try and reproduce the effects of objects moving
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> Does anyone know of a source for 3D models of dinosaurs which can
> be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
> tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
> dinosaurs as well.
>
>

Try avalon.chinalake, I saw a dino that wasnt a tricerotops on there...

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> > Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:
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> > Would any of you be interested in my picking up the Toaster list and
> > running it also from bobsbox?  It would be fairly simple for me to do
> > and I think we need a general Toaster mailing list anyway to handle
> > all the generalized Toaster talk.
> >
> > Comments?
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Sounds like a good idea to me..
At least we know from experience that it will be *run*, unlike the
defunct toaster-lists that presumably exist...

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> [e-mail] writes:
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> > Does anyone know of a source for 3D models of dinosaurs which can
> > be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
> > tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
> > dinosaurs as well.
>
> Hmmmmm, wonder what he's trying to reproduce?  ;-)  If anyone has seen the
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> dinosaur animation that ILM did for Jurassic Park, then you'd know what I mean.
> Incredibly realistic animation.  Could it be done with Lightwave?  Hmmmm.
>
> On another note - Is the motion blur feature of Lightwave intended to simulate
> the reproduction of 60 fields per second on a 30 frame per second anim?  Just
> wondering....
>
   You can use field rendering to acheive this.  Motion blur works on top
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> did for Jurassic Park, then you'd know  what I mean.
>Incredibly realistic animation.  Could it be done
>with Lightwave?  Hmmmm.

As I understand it the method used to model the
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> Is the motion blur feature of Lightwave intended to simulate
> the reproduction of 60 fields per second on a 30 frame per second anim?

No, the Field Rendering option is what you would use to produce 60 field/sec
motion. Motion blur goes beyond sampling at 60 Hz. Depending on the the
antialiasing setting you have chosen, motion blur will subdivide the 1/30
second frame into 5, 9, or 17 samples equally spaced in time. This should
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Another note about field rendering. You notice that under normal circumstances,
when you slect medium-res, LW breaks the view space into 4 sections to render
the image. This can cause field rendering to be very slow because a lot of
initialization calcs have to be unecessarily repeated. But there is a solution
if you have spare memory. There is a new feature to reduce the number of screen
sections. By selecting this, medium res requires only a single section which
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         Well now that I have a Toaster 4000, and an older Toaster also,
  Its time for some fun! Yeahaw!!!! Youll find my First Lightwave frame
from an anim im working on.  It features a dragon with 36 virtual bones,
a comet made with lensflare+motionblur+fastmoving light and also has
depth of field! you can find it on any of the Aminet sites in /pix/guard
    as DragonSongJPG.lha   <DragonSongHAM.lha> for those without any
power/ram.     Anyhowtake a look at it! now if i can just get lightwave
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>> "Incredibly realistic animation.  Could it be done with Lightwave?  Hmmmm."

When JURASSIC PARK came out, Allen Hastings made an immediate and foolish
comment that the JP dinos could have been done with LW3. If you've followed
the brouha on AOL, you probably know how much this either amused of ticked-off
people at ILM. Obviously, Hastings knows a lot about some kinds of
rendering, but not that much about film budgeting (the main expense is
PAYROLL, so faster computers mean less money spent on employees waiting
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> > opinions about which one is better, LWPro or R3DV2, and why.
...
> Trust me, features lists are meaningless and extremely deceptive, especially
> for comparisons. What matters is implementation, ease of use, functionality,
> speed, and versatilty. R3D does have some interesting capabilities, but it
> is still very much a hobbyist program. But don't take my word for it, I urge
> you to check it out yourself at a dealer if you can.

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has the WORST user interface of any commercial software I've ever seen.  I mean,
I was offended at how bad it is!  And if it's possible, the manual is worse.  I
tried to call Adspec for authorization to return the package and get a refund,
but they told me all sales are final.

What I've learned from this is just what Mark is talking about: features are no
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for you (and you probably will), you'd be better off saving up the extra $ to get
the right software than compromising and being disappointed.  Try getting along with
POV or something while you're saving.

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to create my stuff and use it's conversion routines to get the objects into a format
that Aladdin will read.  I use Aladdin's renderer, and I'm saving my $ for a
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MM>LW3 could could do the job. After looking at his application, I told him
MM>about the new and existing Arexx support which will suit his needs nicely.
MM>He is now a VERY happy owner of a new T4000. I haven't heard how he is
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Curt (I think?) wrote:

>Could the Juraasic Park dinosaurs be done with the new Lightwave?

A portion of the dino's could be somewhat done using the the bones feature of
lightwave.  A friend tested bones in the model of the dinosaur that is part
of the lightwave model collection.  He placed three or four bones, and the
result look ok, the skin somewhat stretched like real skin, but not to the
detail of JP.  Remember ILM used three high-end packages (Alias for modeling,

SoftImage for animation, and Renderman for the rendering), plus they used
lots of custom code for specific shots.  The main thing that would warp
lightwave into the real is IK (inverse kinematics) for the bone movement.
IK allows animators to build a skeleton, and then pick the foot or hand, and
as those parts are moved, the rest of the bones follow based on physical settings
in the program.  Probably not in the lightwave cards for a few months or more
(it is very complexed problem to create a good IK system).

>Motion Blur, 60 fields or what?

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Lightwave has two different settings one is Field Rendering inwhich lightwave
renders both fields for each frame of the animation.  The fields are rendered
together in on image producing a very flickery interlace frame.  Difficult to
view one frame at a time this way, but once it is recorded to tape or laser disc/
abekas, the extra fields fill in the strobing action that is common with some
computer animation producing a smoother animation.

The second method is Motion Blur.  This setting will actualy blur the moving
objects in a scene to simulate how a real camera captures fast moving subjects.
This function is set with the anti-alias level, so if you select medium anti-alias
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version of the moving object with bluring to simulate motion blur.  Well, that is
the basics, but overal motion blur blurs moving things, and field rendering does
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> > Does anyone know of a source for 3D models of dinosaurs which can
> > be loaded into Lightwave 3D for rendering?  A model of a
> > tricerotops comes with the package, but I need models of other
> > dinosaurs as well.
>
> Something (maybe ESP) makes me think that ILM has some. 8^)
>

    I'm sure....
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    Anyhow, the object that came with Lightwave (and others too) are
from a company:

        VIEWPOINT
        870 West Center
         Orem, Utah 84057
        Phone: [phone]-DATASET  Fax: [phone]

    This company "specializes" in 3D objects.  They 3D digitize real
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scanners as in T2 etc...) and sell them in many many formats, and
can even do custom formats and custom digitizing. (They obviously
have Lightwave support).

    There are different levels of quality from low. (1438 polygons)
to super duper high (131,000 polys) etc...  As far as dinosaurs go
here is what I see in their catalouge (though the dino's don't seem
to be as high quality  as some of their other objects):

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Stegosaurus, Tyrannosaurus and a Tricerotops.

    For most objcts prices range from $300-$700, though the super
high detailed/frequently wanted medical objects such as skulls and
skeletons go for as high as $5000.  The dino's seem to be in the
$200-$400 range but prices may have changed.

        Hope this helps.

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>oppinions about which one is better, LWPro or R3DV2, and why.
>Obviously not everybody is totally aware of all the features of LWPro
>and R3DV2, so if someone have the time, please list LWPro's features.
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>Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])

    At first blush I opposed this, but I suppose it's a legitimate
discussion in this mailing list.  However, I propose a slight alteration of
point.

    Rather than opinions about which is "better", how about a discussion
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    Also interesting, to me at least, would be a discussion of what users
feel is missing from the package (in the great tradition of belly-aching
Amiga users looking 'way down the road and missing the pot of gold at their
feet!).

    For instance, in LWave Allen changed the mouse interface so that no
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> On another note - Is the motion blur feature of Lightwave intended to simulat
> the reproduction of 60 fields per second on a 30 frame per second anim?  Just
> wondering....
>
> Curt

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camera (when actually using film) tend to blur in each frame.  When
you render in LightWave 2.0 objects moving past the camera are
totally sharp.  If these objects remain totally sharp in an
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effect in your animation.  Motion blur makes the computer generated
animation look more like reality.

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> > How do I make lightwave output to straight ANIM format?
> The best you can do with Ligthwave itself is to save each frame rendered
> as an IFF-24.

Well, not entirely true. I haven't received the release software yet (and
it has been released), but there is now a facility within LW to create
anim files which can be played back in real-time from the switcher. It
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>How do I make lightwave output to straight ANIM format?

Here is what I do:  There is a program out there called Rend24 which takes a
series of IFF files and converts them into an ANIM.  It can be set up to wait
for the files and do the conversion as the files arrive, and then delete them as
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You start Rend24 up, tell it the directory and the base file name the frames
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Rend24 allows you to select regular or HAM anims, and will dither the picture as
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>As I understand it the method used to model the
>dinosaurs is called metaballs (or blobbies) which
>is radically different than the way we model things
>in Lightwave.
>

Hmmm all this time I thought meatballs where either a method of rendering
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>> "Motion blur simulates motion blur or the inability of 30fps video
>>      to 'stop' an object in motion."

Actually, it depends on the camera you're matching, and how it's set up at a
particular moment. Some cameras are very blurry, others are not. Top-grade
video cameras may even have a rotating shutter internally, just like film
cameras....

Getting motion blur to really work just right is very squirrelly. The main
giveaway (for me) of the "falling jeep" shot in JP is that the blur is too
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[e-mail] (Kevin Bjorke) writes:
> When JURASSIC PARK came out, Allen Hastings made an immediate and
> foolish comment that the JP dinos could have been done with LW3. If
> you've followed the brouha on AOL, you probably know how much this

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I didn't figure out AOL's transcript logging until the day after I
read the start of that thread, so I can't check right now.  The
comment might have been made by Lee Stranahan, who makes his living
as a LightWave and Toaster fanatic, but is not part of NewTek.

And I don't recall seeing any people from ILM on AOL...  among others,
more disagreements came from the Electric Image people.  Later, that
thread exposed that there were all sorts of other FAXed and emailed
flames flying between those Toasterheads and the Electric Image
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people, most of which had to do with who was using who's product to
do what, and who would therefore be able to reap the PR benefits.

The "Making Of JP" book does show Toasters in offices, but they were
probably for early motion studies or prototype renderings.

Could LightWave make dinos like JP's?  That's not a sensible
question.  It was a silly statement, no matter who made it.

I'm sure an infinite number of monkeys using POV could make even
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time and money are at a premium, and even ILM can't afford to buy an
infinite number of dino-making-machines.  If someone wants to use a
Toaster because they can't afford Softimage, great.  And if you're
reading this list, you probably can't afford it, either.

Cheap machines do make more employees possible.  You think the
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James Kewageshig writes:
> Hi Mark, Any chance you could list the new ARexx commands?

Actually, I don't have the release software yet so I can't say for sure
what exactly has been included. I'll have to defer that answer to Allen
or someone else. But basically LW Arexx allows you to create and modify
scene files, trigger scene rendering, control various rendering modes,
and contol objects down to the vertex level allowing particle system
effects and data driven deformation. Modeler also has an Arexx port for
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> Would any of you be interested in my picking up the Toaster list and
> running it also from bobsbox?  It would be fairly simple for me to do
> and I think we need a general Toaster mailing list anyway to handle
> all the generalized Toaster talk.
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> Comments?
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     It wouldn't hurt my feelings, as I was one of the old
`toasterlist' users. Honestly, while I'm getting incredible
information from this list, I do use the other features of the Toaster
a lot more than the LW. And, I'm sure I'll have lots more questions...

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>     ===================================================================
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> Hmmm all this time I thought meatballs where either a method of rendering
> or a process in rendering, not the actuall modeling.
>
> >Zareh.

Seems to me that "meatballs" are something I enjoy on my pasta with
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> From [e-mail] Sat Jun 26 02:52:02 1993
> Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 11:13 PDT
> From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bjorke)
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: motion blur (was: 3D Dino Models)
>
> >> "Motion blur simulates motion blur or the inability of 30fps video
> >>      to 'stop' an object in motion."
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> Actually, it depends on the camera you're matching, and how it's set up at a
> particular moment. Some cameras are very blurry, others are not. Top-grade
> video cameras may even have a rotating shutter internally, just like film
> cameras....
>

   I was generalizing.  Motion blur is the end result of an undersampling of
data due to a combination of shutter and film (chemically) speed.

> Getting motion blur to really work just right is very squirrelly. The main
> giveaway (for me) of the "falling jeep" shot in JP is that the blur is too
> clean...

  I always settle for 'close'.  I don't think I have ever gotten it perfect.
I thought the Jeep falling looked a little to clean also.

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This post is to announce the creation of the new Video Toaster mailing
list running from bobsbox.rent.com.

It is setup exactly the same way the LightWave 3D mailing list is setup.
Once I obtain working gateway software, I may additionally gate these
lists to newsgroups.

This is the FIRST announcement anywhere of the creation of this new list
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----------------------   Video Toaster Mail-List   ----------------------

-- WHAT IS THE TOASTER? --

The Video Toaster is a combination of hardware and software which allows
you to produce video right on your desktop with the addition of some
video-specific hardware.  The Video Toaster is a product of NewTek, Inc.
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only works inside of a Commodore Amiga 2000, 3000 or 4000 series
computer but can be accessed by Macs with ToasterLink and possibly by
IBM PC's in the future.

-- WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? --

This mailing list is for those interested in the Toaster, how it
operates and in ideas on how to obtain the best quality productions
available to them.  The list is for those who own the Toaster as well
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as those just interested in what can be done with the package.  We
hope to share information, tips, procedures and to bond as a group.

-- WHAT ARE THE RULES? --

The rules are pretty simple, don't post any articles that don't relate
to the Video Toaster to the list and don't send administrative type
requests to the list.

You do NOT have to own a Toaster to join this list!
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-- OK! HOW DO I JOIN? --

To become a member of the Toaster mailing list you must send a mail
message to the address:

        [e-mail]

In the body of the message enter:

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subscribe toaster-l [e-mail]

Or just ask to be signed up and I will sign you up to the list.  At this
point in time the process is manual but I hope to get an automated
script based system in place soon.  There shouldn't be too much of a
delay in joining.  Expect a "welcome" message within 5 days after you
send your request.  Then, expect the mail to start flowing in!

-- HOW DO I POST TO THE LIST? --

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Contributing to the list is simple.  Just mail your articles to the
following address:

        [e-mail]

Your article will be processed by the system and distributed to all
others joined to the list.  Your articles will also be sent to you so
you know that your article has made it to the list.  However, those
addresses that are either no good or no longer active will bounce back
to you.  So, if you post an article and another members address is no
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longer valid, your original article will be returned to you.  This
doesn't mean it hasn't been posted to the list.  In fact, just the
opposite is true. It means that your article WAS posted and that it
couldn't be sent to one or more of the members of the list due to a bad
address.

NOTE: I hope to have a fix for this behavior soon.

-- HOW DO I QUIT THE LIST? --

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Simply mail a request to be removed from the list to the same address
you used to sign up:

        [e-mail]

In the body of the message enter:

unsubscribe toaster-l [e-mail]

I will remove your name from the list of members.  PLEASE, if you join
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able to receive mail for a while, send a request to be removed from the
list!  If you are just going to lose access for a short while still send
a request for a suspension of your membership and I will suspend
forwarding of the articles to you.

NOTE: Expect about your removal from the list to take around 7 days as I
      normally perform administrative duties on weekends.


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-- WHAT ABOUT OLD ARTICLES? --

I am currently archiving all the articles posted to the list at the
originating site (bobsbox).  However, I can not continue to do this due
to lack of disk space.  What we need is a volunteer that will maintain a
compendium of articles sent to the list.  They can compress and store
them in archives on their system.  They can then periodically post an
index of the contents of the compendium and any other information that
relates.

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If there are no volunteers then maybe someone can donate a large SCSI
or IDE hard drive to me for archival purposes. <grin>

I have setup a mail-based file server so that anyone interested in the
list can obtain information as well as the entire archive of past
articles, the membership listing and other information pertaining to
the Toaster mailing list.  For information on this service, please
send a mail message to:

        [e-mail]
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The first command to the server must be "HELP" or "USER name <passwd>".

Use HELP to request a current copy of the helpfile.
Use USER name [passwd] to connect to the service.
Use ?    to get a short listing of all available commands.



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Well, sit back and enjoy the pouring out of information.  If you have
something to offer, please feel free to contribute that information to
the list.  Every little bit helps.  Questions are welcomed!  It makes
some of us feel important when we can answer them. <grin>

If you have any questions or comments regarding the list, please contact
me at the address:

        [e-mail]

Cheers,

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I never said that the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were created with
LightWave, and I'm not on America Online.  As described in the "Making
Of Jurassic Park" book, LightWave was used to create animated storyboards
to help with planning scenes like the T Rex car attack and the kitchen
sequence.  The skeleton shown on page 48 was used in graphics for the
screens in the touring cars (the screens were not used much in the final
cut of the film).  I do believe that with the new features in LightWave
3.0 (such as skeletal deformations and motion blur), extremely realistic
dinosaur scenes could be created.  Naturally this would involve a lot of
time and effort, as it would with any other system.  I don't know what
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straight.

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Date:         Mon, 28 Jun 93 11:08:56 EDT
From:         "Breno A. Silva" <INF02@BRUFSE>
Subject:      Re: RTV2 not here
To:           Jeric <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To:  Your message of Fri, 25 Jun 93 02:04:24 PDT

Jeric wrote:

>   AT FIRST BLUSH I OPPOSED THIS, BUT I SUPPOSE IT'S A LEGITIMATE
>DISCUSSION IN THIS MAILING LIST.  HOWEVER, I PROPOSE A SLIGHT ALTERATION OF
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>POINT.

>   RATHER THAN OPINIONS ABOUT WHICH IS "BETTER", HOW ABOUT A DISCUSSION
>OF WHICH PIECE OF S/W IS MORE USEFUL IN A GIVEN ANIMATION SITUATION, AND HOW
>THEY CAN BE USED IN A COMPLEMENTARY FASHION?

>   ALSO INTERESTING, TO ME AT LEAST, WOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT USERS
>FEEL IS MISSING FROM THE PACKAGE (IN THE GREAT TRADITION OF BELLY-ACHIN
>AMIGA USERS LOOKING 'WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND MISSING THE POT OF GOLD AT THEIR
>FEET!).
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Of course, if I had the bucks, I'd have all of them, even Alladin (bleargh!).
Even if R3D2 has ultra-slow renderings as people say (something I must see to
believe, as I found it quite fast in NAB - anyway I saw no renderings at all
at the newtek's booth, so I cannot compare ), it still has remarkable featu-
res. It doesn't matter how bad it's its interface, I will can use inverse kin-
nematics and physical properties. Well, I know 'doesn't matter' is very hard,
and I'm not saying R3DV2 it's for every application, but if a client asks me
a particle animation of sparks or something simulating gravity and multiple
shocks in a very complicated fashion, the time I'll lose making that in a
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program *not designed for it*, no matter how easier it is to use, I can
use sleeping, while a dedicated slow program renders the effect for me (if
I have the time of course; If someone needs it in a hurry, I'll send him
to ILM  :)  )
So, now taking your point/suggestion, which I think is great, what *IS*
missing in LWPro (and stop saying it's good enough, we admit it, but if
we say, Allen will stop improving it :) ) it's a multi-tasking programming
effects language (not sure about the AREXX support, maybe a good start),
physical properties animation, maybe specific support for particle anima-
tion, better motion blur - I've heard it's not half as good as R3DV2's - ,
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and, why not dream a bit, flames and water simulation (can you imagine a
drop of water splashing in the ground perfectly, and ray traced??? =8b
or nice flames changing gradually the texture of a near surface, with a
selectable level of burn-ability, as if it's really burning??? ok, ok,
something easier now, spot lights trail as in a great show light effects...
My wish list goes on and on, and I know some of these are extremely hard
to implement, but I think Allen shouldn't play catch-up with Topas or Alias,
I mean, waiting their new features to after copy or improve them... why
not something no one still have - as far as I know, that is - like flames
or water simulation... wow, I'd love to easily make an animation of a
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waterfall running over rocks and generating physically perfect waves over
a lake... maybe mud? Ok, ok, I'll quit... for a while...
Come on, I know everybody has (almost) as a great wish list as I do, so
let's talk about it and compile it in a *big* mail and send it to Allen
Hastings, just in case he didn't have the time to read our discussion.

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       Hi all

    Just got T4000 (for my A4000-040).

    Just a warning to those waiting to install:

        While the Toaster is probably the most flexible
        video tool ever created, the software installation
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        Like the 2.0 release, it's a pain in the you-know-what.

        For T4000-A4000 owners, you MUST have a 110M partition
        available...  even if you only want to play with
        lightwave (which might need only about 30M).  If
        you don't have such a partition available, the installer
        will quit, advising you to see your dealer.  (for a bigger
        HD).

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        Since there is no such thing as a 'partial install' in
        the eyes of those at NewTek's Galactic Headquarters, if
        you delete a toaster system file by mistake... or some
        other Toaster file, in order to get that file again,
        you must go through the entire 40+ disk install routine
        again!  This takes the better part of two hours... and
        if you are only trying to get at a 10K file, this makes one
        want to drive out to Kansas and slap some heads.

        I asked tech support how to extract files on a selectable
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        basis... and was advised "go to your dealer or a friend
        with a Toaster system and copy the file."

        Great.

        Point is, a friendlier install system IS possible.
        We should call/write/FAX NewTek and make a _strong_
        request that a more reasonable installer be made available
        for those Amiga types that know the difference between
        a shell and an icon.  The current one seems to have
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        been created for the lowest common denominator... probably
        a two-celled organism in a pond.

        I'd like to try to install it in my 3000, but I don't
        have the 100+ Megs available for the install.  This is the
        pitts when I have no need for any fonts/effects/sound files
        that take up most of the HD space.

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    have a partition to make the installer happy.  I install the
    Software... ~2hrs later:  I start the Toaster....

    It does it's Autohue/sync dance... the screen flashes a bit...
    and flashes a bit more... and 30 minutes later, it's still
    flashing!  After several resets/power-ups and removal of all
    external hardware, still no luck.
    I decide to remove my Mitsubishi Diamondscan from the A4000...
    replacing it with a 1080 (yeech).
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    Success!   Unlike the Toaster 2.0 system, I am not able to
    use the Diamondscan monitor.  This is bad news.

    Tech support says that Commodore is working on a new adapter
    for the A4000 that will allow it to work with Toaster.  Commodore
    claims it will be available in about a month (I'll believe it when
    I see it...)

    Does anyone know why this multiscan monitor of mine doesn't work?

    What might I do to my existing Commodore monitor adapter that
    would allow me to use it with Toaster?

Later that evening....

    The manual.  Going through the manual, one becomes aware that
    there are missing illustrations... even the "What's new with
    Lightwave" section is not to be found... even though earlier
    text refers the experienced LW user to read it!  Also, the
    "Beyond Revolution" tape that's supposed to be in the box
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    is not to be found.

    The tutorials refer to files that don't even exist! (The
    Saturn tutorial was a total bust because of this).

    A call to tech support verified the bad news.  The files
    are not a part of the Toaster release... and that the manual
    is actually a BETA VERSION... and that another manual will
    eventually be released.

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    The manual is not nearly as good as the 2.0 release manual.


Good stuff....

    Mr. Hastings has done it again...  WOW!  I won't cover old
    ground here... except to say that LW3.0 is an amazing piece
    of work...

    The promise that medium res was as good as the old high res
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    was one I was not fully prepared to believe....  BUT IT'S TRUE!
    The Adaptive sampling routine works wonders (I guess this is
    similar to the software package JAG for the Mac... yes?).
    Renderings using this mode are done in almost twice the speed
    of the same rendering done in high res without adaptive sampling.

    Modeler is 10X more powerful!  An amazing job!  Big thanks to
    Stuart!  (hope I remembered the spelling :-)

    I am astounded by all the new tools (and improved old ones!) in
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    Modeler.

All the other new Toaster features are nice too.  But as an animator...
I don't care too much.

Anyway, hope some of this is helpful/intersting...

And what does everyone think about pestering NewTek to give us power
users a decent (flexible) installer program?  Let's do it.

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    I am looking for other users of the Nucleus Personal Single Frame
controller.  I have version 2.51 and not much luck.  I have been performing
installation/user advise for Video Toaster at the Television Station I
work for.
    It is an all software package that costs $400.00  It claims to
control various editing decks to do single frame animations.  It is
designed to support several different display boards/options.
    Here is where I have an ax to grind:

    Setup:  Panasonic AG-7750 SVHS Editing Deck w/ capstan bumping
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        Supplied RS-232 to RS-422 serial cable.
        All switch/software settings match manuals requirements

    All features of the software work exactly like advertised, EXCEPT
the one I need.  I must be able to render Toaster Frames and output them
to tape, one at a time.  Every time I build an Edit Decision list to do
this, my 7750 gets stuck trying to preroll to 00:02:??:??.  My tape is
striped to start at VITC NDF 00:58:00:00 -- EXACTLY as their tutorial
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intends to search for 00:02:??:??, it won't find it.  It is not there.
The single frame controller then aborts, telling me it won't preroll....
Even funnier, is that the "Manual Edit" buffer then gets loaded with
and Edit out time of 33:33:??:??  Yep, this is illegal time code and
don't know why this would be so.

    What is really fantastic is that all other modes work!  For
example, if I want to transfer framestores from my Hard Drive, they go
to tape in a seamless unattended fasion.  Or even an IFF file, it uses
AREXX calls to ToasterPaint, produces it to the FrameStore buffers and
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    So, you ask, what am I complaining about:  IT WON'T RENDER
DIRECTLY TO TAPE.  I just don't have enough room to store large animation
framestores.

    Last week at various times, I have accumulated over an hour on the
phone with Nucleus going over the problem.  They claim that as many as 75%
of their users are using the same setup as mine.  They are having no
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    I then sent one of their software designers a complete copy of my
Startup-Sequence and User-Startup files.  No apparent clues as to what is
wrong.
    Last Thursday, I received the following message from Nucleus:

From: "Saul Juliao- AMIGA Development/ADF" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Nucleus Single Frame Controller
To: frederik (Karl Frederick-N7TWP)
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Hi Karl, yup there is a serious problem that was overlooked.

Sorry will let you know when we have a fix.. hopefully in an hour or so.

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    I haven't heard from them since Friday.

    Anyone have any ideas?

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Does anyone have the definitive answer on what features are available
with the possible configurations?
1) 3.0 software (old Toaster & A2000)
2) 3.0 software + 4000T (in A2000)

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Thanks in advance,

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> 1) 3.0 software (old Toaster & A2000)
> 2) 3.0 software + 4000T (in A2000)

To the best of my knowledge, there is no difference in functionality between
1 and 2. I believe the only difference is when you put the 4000T into an
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Well I have a rather lengthy list of features and changes but there are a
couple that standout as really desireable for near term...
1) Make spline patch modeling less painful. The current implentation is
   tedious at best. You should be able to construct complex surfaces from
   many spline curves and then have the software tesselate that surface
   with polygons. Instead, Modeler forces you to tesselate each patch
   manually under some very restrive guidlines.
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   environment maps would be generated by the software (with controls to
   generate the maps for just the first frame or for every frame).
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   the mouse input for parented bones to be more intuitive would me a major
   improvement.

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In the new lightwave I heard about some arexx scripts that allows you
to create particle animation. What scripts come with lightwave and
what do they do? And has anyone tried the arexx script I am talking
about because I need a more in depth review of the script and the
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Hi,

Has anyone seen anything official in the way of upgrade notices out of NewTek
about the V3 upgrade and/or Toaster 4000?

Over a month ago during a phone call to ask a Lightwave question I asked about
the upgrade notices and was told they would be "going out next week".  A month
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told they would be "going out next week".  That was a couple of weeks ago and I
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> In the new lightwave I heard about some arexx scripts that allows you
> to create particle animation.

The new Arexx support allows control of objects on the vertex level.
The script I have is a demo of this in which an object consisting of
a thousand particles (single point polygons) is manipulated to create
a spewing fountain of bouncing particles. This feature could also be used
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:> 1) 3.0 software (old Toaster & A2000)
:> 2) 3.0 software + 4000T (in A2000)
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:To the best of my knowledge, there is no difference in functionality between
:1 and 2. I believe the only difference is when you put the 4000T into an
:Amiga 4000. This will gain you all the AGA effects and support.

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On Wed, 30 Jun 93 14:30:23 EDT you said:
>> In the new lightwave I heard about some arexx scripts that allows you
>> to create particle animation.
>
>The new Arexx support allows control of objects on the vertex level.
>The script I have is a demo of this in which an object consisting of
>a thousand particles (single point polygons) is manipulated to create
>a spewing fountain of bouncing particles. This feature could also be used
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You mean its particle control works only for single points or polygons, not
for any object, like the older motion blur? Just a doubt.

Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])

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I am in the midst of creating a thirty second animation that will be
the main title to a videotape promoting a nutrition curriculum for
pregnant and parenting teenagers.

I am looking for PD or donated objects (I'll give you a credit if I use
the object) of human ebryos and fetus' at various stages of develop-
ment. I am also looking for large scale DNA segments, RNA, etc.

This is a very small budget video (we here at the University aren't
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your efforts. However, they will be appreciated, and if this curriculum
gets picked up across the country, a lot of pregnant and parenting
teens will have healthier children. (Beneficent Mode off)

If you have any info, know of any ftp sites for this kind of stuff,
or want more information, drop me some e-mail.

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> >The new Arexx support allows control of objects on the vertex level.
> You mean its particle control works only for single points or polygons, not
> for any object, like the older motion blur? Just a doubt.

Its not specifically particle control. Its the ability to control any object
at the vertex level. If your object is a collection of particles, then
this capability becomes particle control. Otherwise, it is complete control
over an object's geometry. The ability to control multiple non-single point
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------------------- LightWave 3D Mail List Bi-Weekly Info -------------------

To POST articles to the LightWave 3D List:

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Is it possible to purchase lightwave without getting a toaster?

William Costello
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Hi again,

I am looking for information on using Autocad DXF files in Lightwave.  Has
anyone out there done it?  Any pointers or advice?

Is anyone familiar with the Autocad side - what you need to do to export a file
that will be useful in Lightwave?  My Autocad person does not seem to know
anything about the 3D aspects of it and I know zero about any of it.

I have a large DXF file of a new building that our company's architect
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Lightwave object of the building with a reasonable amount of work.

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Hello everyone.

I've ben work with LightWave for almost a year, and now, with the
brand new Toaster 3.0, I'd like to know some features of LWPro so
I can try to convince my boss to upgrade our 2.0-based station.

1. Is VT3 only a software upgrade or may I own another board?
2. Does LWPro work with particle animation like Real3DV2 & similar
   programs?
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Thanx in advance.

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   DXF directly to Lightwave has never worked very well for me. The before
exporting from AutoCAD to DXF, the objects have to be broken up into
blocks, or something like that. A detailed explanation is in the LW manual.
   Even following the instructions, what comes in is usually very
unsatisfactory for the files *we're* working with [your actual milage may
vary]. We were dealing with very complex shapes [twisted airfoils -- things
similar to propellers] nearly a thousand polygons.
   HOWEVER, there is hope, but you need Autodesk 3D Studio to perform the
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correct magic. We took the AutoCAD objects and brought them into 3D Studio
[I don't remember the details; it was two years ago. I seem to remember
something about saving out slides from AutoCAD]. From 3D Studio we saved
them out as 3D Studio files.
   The 3D Studio files import very well into LW. There are odd changes,
however. Some complex polygons get changed into many-many triangles. I've
brought the objects into Modeller and combined polygons to make objects
more managable.
   Yeah, yeah, I know buying a $3,000 MS-DOS package to act as a
pass-through from AutoCAD to LW is expensive. In our case, govt. footed the
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MS-DOS machine [it does if you buy thousands and thousands of $ of
equipment, like TARGA boards and VideoVGA boards].
   There may be a cheaper alternative out there, like Interchange Plus, or
something in the public domain.
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Knowing Alan's commitment to more and more tightly integrating LightWave into the Toaster, I have no hopes of a standalone. But I was wondering if perhaps there
would ever be maybe a standalone rendering prog that would just take a scene fille as input and dump out framestores/iff's/etc., so that it would be easier to
do networked rendering...

Of course the way it is now, it sells more toasters, so I guess things will be
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Oh, also does anyone know an *actual* time when they might mail out the 3.0
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Sorry if any of this sounds stupid, I try not to ask questions that often as a
result. :)

Thanks in advance,

Daryl Bartley
Greenwood Abbey Productions
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    It's too bad that LW users 'have' to have the Toaster bundled with it!  For those of us with a
use for other Toaster capabilities, it creates a wonderful package.  Is it such a burden for you to
have bundled capabilities you don't use???

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> But I was wondering if perhaps there would
> ever be maybe a standalone rendering prog that would just take a scene
> file as input and dump out framestores/iff's/etc., so that it would be
> easier to do networked rendering...

I don't know but I would think that NewTek must feel some pressure from
3D Studio which does have this capability builtin at no extra cost, ie.
you can render on dozens of machines with only one purchased copy of the
software. But I think a more pressing issue is that of HW acceleration
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>     It's too bad that LW users 'have' to have the Toaster bundled with it!  For those of us with a
> use for other Toaster capabilities, it creates a wonderful package.  Is it such a burden for you to
> have bundled capabilities you don't use???
>
> David Sallach
> Swiss Bank Corporation

The problem is the price.  Many Amiga users who aren't interested in
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them anyway.  If you look at LW as a modeling/rendering/animation
package with some extra capabilities, you find that it is priced
ALOT higher that similar packages that don't include the video hardware.

The reason we hear Amiga users request a separate LW package, is that
they can tell LW is a superior product, but the pricing limits it's
accessibility to mainstream Amiga users.  They suggest that if LW
were available separately, it would be more affordable, and would gain
access to a whole group of potential customers --owners of the lower-
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I was told by NewTEk today (8th) that the Toaster upgrades(including Board
swaps)can be handled by NewTek by phone starting Monday!

Mark, 3D Studio is dongle protected. Of course you can get around it. If
you look at the ads in the back of AV Video.
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> The problem is the price.  Many Amiga users who aren't interested in
> those "bundled capabilities" don't like the idea of having to pay for
> them anyway.  If you look at LW as a modeling/rendering/animation
> package with some extra capabilities, you find that it is priced
> ALOT higher that similar packages that don't include the video hardware.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Really?   I've been doing animation on the Amiga for
    over six years, and own at least half a dozen animation
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    packages and I don't know what packages you might be thinking of.
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    (and prices if you have them handy...  thanks!)

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I guess the price point here is another. With 3D Studio costing around
US$3,000 and Topas around US$5,000 (around=US$1 less), you can't say
Lightwave around US$2,000 it's high priced, since, in my oppinion and
in many other's, Lightwave is overall more powerful. You can consider, as
I've seen a comment in a Desktop Video mag once, the Toaster board as a
dongle. But a useful dongle, instead of a space-wasting device like 3D
Studio's. Some shiny day, probably before you'd expect, you'll need a
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-Toaster-dependant Lightwave 2.0 version (since it's now out-dated, it
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To separe the lightwave/toaster link (not the mac one :) it's not
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ginal and a pirate version is piracy???). The only problem is the 2.0
ROM lack of support. So I think a 2.0 unlocked version would be perfect,
Newtek should do it before the hackers do (or have they already done and
I dunno... I'll check! <-- kidding... :)

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All this talk about toaster board vs. Lightwave remembered me one thing:
The Toaster board occupies the video slot (big news!) so, now the big
question - Will the most-awaited Display enhancer use the very same slot?
Well, you may think, you can use DoubleNTSC mode with the Toaster/Lightwave
(at least that's what a Newtek person told me at NAB). I'll agree. But I
*DO NEED* the display enhancer! I didn't buy my A4000 as a Toaster device
(and I think most of you didn't either) nor I bought a Workstation! I
bought a computer - a high end one, but a computer - so I'd like to play
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for almost all the other systems!
Even worse, all the Amiga 4000s/1200/monitors systems I've seen show the
same problems in mode promotion: lack of overscan area, lower contrast and
definition than normal modes, and an awful lot of vertical banding - and
I could check that my same monitor connected to a PeeCee could enlarge the
display to fit the whole scan area, was much more sharp and bright and had
no vertical bands!
Do you all have these problems? Commodore already failed to continue a good
idea as A3000's display enhancer, and even their mode promotion is a half-
-hearted and faulty solution. And now that they're about to release the
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video slot - forcing a decision between Toaster or D.E. Would you have any
news about it?

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> I've ben work with LightWave for almost a year, and now, with the
> brand new Toaster 3.0, I'd like to know some features of LWPro so
> I can try to convince my boss to upgrade our 2.0-based station.

If you use LW with any level of seriousness, you absolutely should upgrade.
Just a few of the new features include:
4x to 20x speedup
Vastly improved antialiasing
Displacement mapping
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Shadow mapping
Lens flare
Surface morphing
Motion blur
Depth of field
Alpha channel support
Field rendering
Animation/motion channel graphing
Resolution independant output
New user interface
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And for Modeler:
Adobe Type 1 Postscript input w/300 included fonts
Arexx support with many prebuilt scripts
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Rail and Path extrusion
Rail and Path cloning
Boolean and Drill operations
Bevel
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Jitter and Smooth
Improved interface

> 1. Is VT3 only a software upgrade or may I own another board?

You can get just the software upgrade or software and hardware.

> 2. Does LWPro work with particle animation like Real3DV2 & similar
>    programs?
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The question is kind of vague but yes, LW does support particle animation.
Depending on what you intend to do, you may need to write an Arexx script.

> 3. Can I at least simulate physical properties with LWPro without
>    spending hours (or days) on keyframing or pathing?

You make it sound like this is a least common denominator feature. Trust
me, realistic and natural object motion does not come instantly or by
magic in ANY program. There are different tools in variaous programs that

attempt to make the task easier, but all involve a fair amount of work for
good motion. LW does not currently simulate physical motion dynamics. But
if you take a look at R3D, the only product on any PC platform that currently
supports this, you will find that such simulation is not always as realistic
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> If you look at LW as a modeling/rendering/animation
> package with some extra capabilities, you find that it is priced
> ALOT higher that similar packages that don't include the video hardware.

List the similar packages.

There are none.  Imagine, Real3d, Caligari, Aladdin are all cheaper... true
but they are not similar packages.

> The reason we hear Amiga users request a separate LW package, is that
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> they can tell LW is a superior product, but the pricing limits it's
> accessibility to mainstream Amiga users.

Right.  It is a superior product.  It is priced accordingly.
I don't think the mainstream Amiga user is the target market NewTek is
looking for with that software, but I may be wrong.

> They suggest that if LW
> were available separately, it would be more affordable, and would gain
> access to a whole group of potential customers --owners of the lower-
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> who just aren't interested in video, and so don't want to pay for it.

True... very true.  Would it make NewTek more money to do it that way?
That is where the answer is.

As for a stand alone Lightwave... In an Email letter Allen Hastings told
me that it probably would _not_ happen.

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> Hello everyone.
>
> I've ben work with LightWave for almost a year, and now, with the
> brand new Toaster 3.0, I'd like to know some features of LWPro so
> I can try to convince my boss to upgrade our 2.0-based station.
>
> 1. Is VT3 only a software upgrade or may I own another board?

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        2. Get the software & new board.
    3. Or last but not least, put the new stuff in a A4000!

> 2. Does LWPro work with particle animation like Real3DV2 & similar
>    programs?

There are AREXX hooks that allow you to do object manipulation externally..

> 3. Can I at least simulate physical properties with LWPro without
>    spending hours (or days) on keyframing or pathing?
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>
> Thanx in advance.
>
> Omar Silas Colocci
> ([e-mail])
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> I was told by NewTEk today (8th) that the Toaster upgrades(including Board
> swaps)can be handled by NewTek by phone starting Monday!
>
> Mark, 3D Studio is dongle protected. Of course you can get around it. If
> you look at the ads in the back of AV Video.
> Michael Meshew
>
>

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> All this talk about toaster board vs. Lightwave remembered me one thing:
> The Toaster board occupies the video slot (big news!) so, now the big
> question - Will the most-awaited Display enhancer use the very same slot?

  Yes,  they do,  thats why the A4000 T has two video slots.

> Well, you may think, you can use DoubleNTSC mode with the Toaster/Lightwave
> (at least that's what a Newtek person told me at NAB). I'll agree. But I
> *DO NEED* the display enhancer! I didn't buy my A4000 as a Toaster device

> (and I think most of you didn't either) nor I bought a Workstation!

  Have you looked at any of the RTG boards that are out there?  I am using
 a Picasso II board in my 3000 with a toaster and everything works fine. I
 am running the 2.0 toaster software, I haven't gotten 3.0  yet.  I can
 run workbench at 1100x900x (2-256 colors) and run the toaster no problem.
 They are also coming out with a composite/svhs adapter for the board so
 that you can run the output of the board into a toaster input,  pretty
 nice feature, that means you will be able to use TVPaint and XIPaint as
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 color modes on an A4000/040 (I have both machines).   You can promote the
 current lightwave and modeler screens so that they are running on the
 Picasso II board,  not that they are resolutions sensitive (they don't
 scale themselves),  but they do look better.  Anyhow, just a thought,
 it works for me.  BTW I forgot to mention that the Picasso II plugs into
 a Zorro slot, so you don't have to worry about your video slot.

>I
> bought a computer - a high end one, but a computer - so I'd like to play
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> games sometimes and even use some other 3D software that don't support
> mode promotion, as Caligari 24. I *only* have a NEC4FG - it would be perfect
> for almost all the other systems!
> Even worse, all the Amiga 4000s/1200/monitors systems I've seen show the
> same problems in mode promotion: lack of overscan area, lower contrast and
> definition than normal modes, and an awful lot of vertical banding - and
> I could check that my same monitor connected to a PeeCee could enlarge the
> display to fit the whole scan area, was much more sharp and bright and had
> no vertical bands!

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  The entire NEC line of monitors is carefully tuned to meet industry standard
 resolutions.  The vertical banding you are seeing is probably a moira(moray)
 (how do you spell that) pattern that is the result of a combination of pixel
 clock, the tubes mask,  the dot pitch, and the current resolution you are
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> Do you all have these problems? Commodore already failed to continue a good
> idea as A3000's display enhancer, and even their mode promotion is a half-
> -hearted and faulty solution. And now that they're about to release the
> should-be-there-since-A4000-release display enhancer, it will maybe use the
> video slot - forcing a decision between Toaster or D.E. Would you have any
> news about it?

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> >     It's too bad that LW users 'have' to have the Toaster bundled with it!  Fo
> > use for other Toaster capabilities, it creates a wonderful package.  Is it
> > have bundled capabilities you don't use???
> >
> > David Sallach
> > Swiss Bank Corporation
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> The problem is the price.  Many Amiga users who aren't interested in
> those "bundled capabilities" don't like the idea of having to pay for
> them anyway.  If you look at LW as a modeling/rendering/animation
> package with some extra capabilities, you find that it is priced
> ALOT higher that similar packages that don't include the video hardware.

If you were purchasing just LightWave 3.0 the price would be right in
line with other higher-end 3D packages.  As a matter of fact, most 3D
programs that are in the running with LightWave cost much more than
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> The reason we hear Amiga users request a separate LW package, is that
> they can tell LW is a superior product, but the pricing limits it's
> accessibility to mainstream Amiga users.  They suggest that if LW
> were available separately, it would be more affordable, and would gain
> access to a whole group of potential customers --owners of the lower-
> end Amiga 500, 600, 1200 machines, as well as higher-end Amiga users
> who just aren't interested in video, and so don't want to pay for it.
>
> Kevin Lynn
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>

I hate to say this but LW shouldn't even be allowed to run on a 500,
600 or even a 1200 machine.  It wouldn't be useful on those machines
as none of them have the ram or speed to do LightWave justice.

If it were made to run on those machines we would all be hearing the
complaining as to how slow it renders and how limiting it is because
people can't load thier scenes in and other such problems.

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program and you really need an accellerated machine and oodles of RAM
to get any type of productivity out of it.  Hobbiest have tons of
other very capable software they can run on thier systems and they
will always want what they can't afford.  Them's the breaks.

You don't see everyone whining about how much Alias costs or TDI and
how those program should be neutered so that they can run on anemic
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>   There may be a cheaper alternative out there, like Interchange Plus, or
>something in the public domain.

    ACAD translator does a reasonable job of translating DXF into
VIDEOSCAPE .GEO files.  Proper setup of Autocad blocks and layers is
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>   Yeah, yeah, I know buying a $3,000 MS-DOS package to act as a
>pass-through from AutoCAD to LW is expensive. In our case, govt. footed the
>bill and we thought 3D Studio would give us LW-like capabilities on an
>MS-DOS machine [it does if you buy thousands and thousands of $ of
>equipment, like TARGA boards and VideoVGA boards].

    I'm interested in how 3D Studio failed to meet your needs.
Could you expand on your comments?

    The render farm aspect (FREE!) of 3DS is VERY interesting to
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and use the Toaster as the NTSC display device, saving myself the
pain$$ of TARGA, and retaining all my favorite image tools.

    It's $5K for the next Toaster workstation, or $5K for a
3D Studio workstation.  I don't know which way to jump.   ;-(

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My hero, Mark Thomson, writes:

>I don't know but I would think that NewTek must feel some pressure from
>3D Studio which does have this capability builtin at no extra cost, ie.
>you can render on dozens of machines with only one purchased copy of the
>software. But I think a more pressing issue is that of HW acceleration
>for a single seat. Using 50 68040 based Amigas to do timely high-end work
>is nuts. As you may know, seaQuest is currently using half the Amigas in
>the country to get their work done ;-)

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    1) Mark, what are your feeling about 3D Studio?  It has a big,
smart company behind it, and lots of support.  My gut feeling after seeing
numerous demos is it renders pretty damn fast, and of course allows
render farms at about $2K a shot, rather than $4K a shot for a LWave
render farm. I'm trying to decide where my $$$ would best be spent,
investing in more LWave physical plant, or jumping ship.

    2) How many machines DOES seaquest use?  How many operators?

    3) I've suggested to AH that NewTek should market a LWave
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NewTek policy of never marketing s/w w/o a dongle would be followed,
and LWave users would be a lot happier.  Even better if it fit in
ALL amigas.  A500's w/'040 boards and accelerators....I LIKE IT!

    4) Just saw an ALIAS demo....the modeler was very nice ,
all cubic (?) splines, no polygons necessary.  Making a luffing
sail with 3 points (count 'em!) seemed very attractive.  Also, the
way you could "add geometry" within a surface of revolution seemed
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don't see more 3rd party modelers (I realize they'd all come out
as polygons, but they don't have to be presented to the USER that
way) and 3rd party motion generators. It is a mystery.

    5) If you have any clout w/Stuart Ferguson, try to get him
to add a "SAVE WORK IN PROGRESS" feature to Modeler.  This would
save all LAYERS, but separately, AS LAYERS.  This would stem the
proliferation of temporary and partial files that I find cluttering
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> (at least that's what a Newtek person told me at NAB). I'll agree. But I
> *DO NEED* the display enhancer! I didn't buy my A4000 as a Toaster device
> (and I think most of you didn't either) nor I bought a Workstation! I
> bought a computer - a high end one, but a computer - so I'd like to play
> games sometimes and even use some other 3D software that don't support
> mode promotion, as Caligari 24. I *only* have a NEC4FG - it would be perfect
> for almost all the other systems!
> Even worse, all the Amiga 4000s/1200/monitors systems I've seen show the
> same problems in mode promotion: lack of overscan area, lower contrast and
> definition than normal modes, and an awful lot of vertical banding - and
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> I could check that my same monitor connected to a PeeCee could enlarge the
> display to fit the whole scan area, was much more sharp and bright and had
> no vertical bands!

I have been reading about LW in the Amiga/Toaster press and I was salivating
over the new Lightwave features, especially bones.  But when I went to
the local Amiga dealer to see the 4000, I was really bummped out.  I have the
same monitor that Breno has, a Nec 4FG, hooked up to a PC.  I run 3D Studio
on the PC with an S3 graphics accelerator at 1024x768x256 colors with a
100% flicker-free non-interlaced 70Hz refresh. I render to a Targa64+ NTSC
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So I have a CAD display for modeling and keyframing, and a TV
display for rendering.  I was expecting the same thing with the Amiga
but no, it appears that Lightwave will run only in some interlaced
NTSC mode and the flicker is almost as bad as looking into a strobe light.
No CAD user would put up with such a display, so why should an Animator?
I would be happy if I could run lightwave in any noninterlaced mode
640x480 or greater with at least 16 colors, but I am told this is impossible,
and that it must run in NTSC mode all the time.

It is sad to see Amiga display technology get nice but not to be able
to use it with the best modeling and animation software for the Amiga.

Bailey

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> If you were purchasing just LightWave 3.0 the price would be right in
> line with other higher-end 3D packages.  As a matter of fact, most 3D
> programs that are in the running with LightWave cost much more than
> the whole Toaster package.

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> I hate to say this but LW shouldn't even be allowed to run on a 500,
> 600 or even a 1200 machine.  It wouldn't be useful on those machines
> as none of them have the ram or speed to do LightWave justice.
>
> If it were made to run on those machines we would all be hearing the
> complaining as to how slow it renders and how limiting it is because
> people can't load thier scenes in and other such problems.
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> I think we have to face the fact that LightWave is a power hungry
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> to get any type of productivity out of it.

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Yes, I agree. LightWave should not run on the low end computer, but I
would like to the Modeler run with out the Toaster (or someone else come
out with a good modeler as a stand alone program) so I can model with
added price of the full Toaster system.
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|    5) If you have any clout w/Stuart Ferguson, try to get him
| to add a "SAVE WORK IN PROGRESS" feature to Modeler.  This would
| save all LAYERS, but separately, AS LAYERS.  This would stem the
| proliferation of temporary and partial files that I find cluttering
| up my disks.

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> So I have a CAD display for modeling and keyframing, and a TV
> display for rendering.  I was expecting the same thing with the Amiga
> but no, it appears that Lightwave will run only in some interlaced
> NTSC mode and the flicker is almost as bad as looking into a strobe light.

This is not the case.  I run lightwave on a stock system at 60Hz,
noninterlaced.

> No CAD user would put up with such a display, so why should an Animator?
> I would be happy if I could run lightwave in any noninterlaced mode
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> 640x480 or greater with at least 16 colors, but I am told this is impossible,
> and that it must run in NTSC mode all the time.

This is incorrect.

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> > No CAD user would put up with such a display, so why should an Animator?
> > I would be happy if I could run lightwave in any noninterlaced mode
> > 640x480 or greater with at least 16 colors, but I am told this is impossible,
> > and that it must run in NTSC mode all the time.
>
> This is incorrect.

Thank God!  I guess this is just another case of a salesman
giving out incorrect information.

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Hi.

Well, I finally got a chance to attend the Los Angeles Toaster Users
Group yesterday.  Pretty cool!  Held at CBS Studios.  I liked it.

I had a couple of questions, tho.  Please ignore this post if you aren't
local, as it's likely to be pretty useless to you...

1.  Was there anyone else there from here?

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2.  Does the leader always go off like that?  Entertaining, but bizarre.

3.  There usually aren't demos like that horrible long one at the end, right?

4.  Is there any kind of sub-group for 3D folk like myself?

Thanks,
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>>  to add a "SAVE WORK IN PROGRESS" feature to Modeler.
> This was on my list of easy ARexx scripts which I suggested be
> included.

Stuart, Lee once told me that there was a "SECRET" Modeler feature that
allowed you to do this with something like Alt-S. I was never able to get
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> >3D Studio is dongle protected, but it does not check for the dongle while
> >in video post, or while rendering in batch mode.  They don't want anyone
>     ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>     In this context, how are you using "video post"?  Is it a function
> of 3D-Studio?  (I'm aware of the standard usage of the term.)

Video post is a feature that allows you to compose your animation with
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wipes.

One thing I have noticed about Lightwave is that whenever it is discussed
on the Net, most of that discussion surrounds the following topics:

1. Why can't you get lightwave without the Toaster.
2. Why isn't there a PAL Toaster?

I would really like to see more discussion about the program itself.
I would like to see people posting questions about how to use the program
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just blowing off steam at NewTek (I know, I've contributed enought
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>     1) Mark, what are your feeling about 3D Studio?

Hi J (or Eric?),

3D Studio is very fast and capable and certainly has been one of the driving
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Does anyone out there know where I can write/post/ftp to in order
to obtain SMPTE standards.  I am particularly interested in the
LTC and VITC time code specifications.

I would also like to find the specifications for Panasonics 5-pin
connectors , LANC (Control-L), and Control-S protocols.

Please email responses.

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>>   Yeah, yeah, I know buying a $3,000 MS-DOS package to act as a
>>pass-through from AutoCAD to LW is expensive. In our case, govt. footed the
>>bill and we thought 3D Studio would give us LW-like capabilities on an
>>MS-DOS machine [it does if you buy thousands and thousands of $ of
>>equipment, like TARGA boards and VideoVGA boards].

>    I'm interested in how 3D Studio failed to meet your needs.
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   How does it fail me? Let me count the ways. 3D Studio does not have:

    1. A video switcher with dozens of wipes
    2. A frame grabber
    3. A Character Generator
    4. Direct output to video
    5. A paint package
    6. The ability to integrate with other animation packages like
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   These are all free with the toaster, along with Lightwave.

   As I understood it -- before we abandoned animation on DOS machines -- I
would have had to have spent $3K for 3DS, $1.2K for a VideoVGA board, $2.5K
for a TARGA board, and upgraded to a 486 with at least a 200Mb hard drive
and 8Mb RAM. Total price, about $10K. And I still wouldn't have had the
items listed above.

>    The render farm aspect (FREE!) of 3DS is VERY interesting to
>me.  If I go that way, I will network my Toaster to the MSDOS machines
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>and use the Toaster as the NTSC display device, saving myself the
>pain$$ of TARGA, and retaining all my favorite image tools.

   It's your dime, spend it the way you want. But, I just spent two days at
a post house that uses a DOS machine with the formerer AT&T TOPAS software
and they were blown away by my A2500/Toaster 2 animations.

>    It's $5K for the next Toaster workstation, or $5K for a
>3D Studio workstation.  I don't know which way to jump.   ;-(

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(mail order) is going to be too slow compared to an A4000/Toaster 400.

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Here's the straight poop about upgrading the toaster, according to my
toaster dealer:

All registered Toaster owners will receive upgrade packets including
brochure and video tpae beginning the second week in July. There are three
options for end-users to upgrade their toasters. These upgrades are
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System 3.0 Software and Manual -- $795
   Upgrades existing A2000 systems to include most features in the Toaster
4000 except: real-time animation playback, most new effect modes, color
interface screens, improved video output, and better genlock encoder.

Toaster 4000 Hardware Trade-up -- $1195
   With the Trade-up, end-users can recycle their current Toaster card into
a Toaster 4000. You'll get the new software, manual, and warranty. After
recycling, the card can be replaced in your existing Amiga 2000 or into a
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new Amiga 4000. To recycle a card, the end-user will send it to Newtek and
receive ti back in approximately two weeks.

or...No Down Time Trade-up Option
   Newtek will ship the user and already recycled VT4000 card from stock.
The end-user will have two weeks to return their old card to Newtek. The
end-user will pay the same $1195 plus a $500 *refundable* deposit agains
the return of their old Toaster.

The Double-Up -- $1795
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plus they get to keep their current toaster card and get a System 3.0
software manual and upgrade for it. By doubling up, you'll have two
up-to-date Toaster cards and software, plus a rebate offer towards
purchasing a new A4000.

Anyone want to send me $1795 for the Double-Up option? I promise to say
"thank you" once your check clears. 8^).

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    So, what's new!  I, Ron Thornton, Mark Thompson, and many others
have been asking for a render engine for almost 2 years.  A render license
is available for most SGI High-End packages like Softimage, Alias, Wave,
TDI, etc...  I mean some compaines like RFX in LA render and rent render
stations only!
        A good example of this was during Babylon5 last summer.  We had
8 Video Toaster Stations at Ron's place, with Toaster cards in each one.
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LW rendering.  Not that the VIDEO TOASTER is not the finest, coolest,
most wonderfull video gizmo ever created, its just that in animation
rendering the card is not used.  The Image is rendered, and sent to disk,
end of story.  Now, SeaQuest is doing the exact samething - Dozens ( I
don't know the # of render engines, but lets just say they have a few),
of VIDEO TOASTER STATIONS not basic number cruching engines.

        The question is how mush is a render license, $2,000 the price
of a toaster, $500, $200?  Will the render package have a simple port
dongle system?  Would the license cover multiple nodes or just one per
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license.  A few questions that NewTek needs to figure out, and soon.

3DS NOTE:  A quick note about 3DS.  The spline mesh, lofter and other
hanby features in the modeler allow you to create very organic (an
other used term up it works) models.  So it certain cases the
combination of 3DS modeling, and LW animation, texturing, and renering
could be a very slick production method.



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[e-mail] (Pete Nofel) wrote:
>   Yeah, yeah, I know buying a $3,000 MS-DOS package to act as a
>pass-through from AutoCAD to LW is expensive. In our case, govt. footed the
>bill and we thought 3D Studio would give us LW-like capabilities on an

If you want a great DXF translator, get the one written by Autodesk.
They give it away, it's freely distributable.  It requires a souped-up
PC.  It converts DXF to 3D Studio files.  It works very, very well.
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LightWave loads 3D Studio files reasonably well - everything comes
through as a single object, but that's OK for many people.

If you want an even better conversion from .3DS files to LightWave
scenes complete with sub-objects, use InterChange Plus with the
add-on 3D Studio Converter.  This lets you preserve the sub-objects,
rotational centers, etc.

As for the government "footing the bill", every taxpayer in the
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> >   There may be a cheaper alternative out there, like Interchange Plus, or
> >something in the public domain.
>    ACAD translator does a reasonable job of translating DXF into

The ACAD Translator was made by Access Technologies.  I believe they
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I am new to this list, so I apologize if this subject has already
been discussed.

Is the Lightwave object file format specification published? I am
writing an application that needs to be able to read and generate a
wireframe preview of 3D objects in multiple formats. I would like to
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On 12 Jul 1993, John Foust / Syndesis Corporation wrote:

> They give it away, it's freely distributable.  It requires a souped-up
> PC.  It converts DXF to 3D Studio files.  It works very, very well.
> LightWave loads 3D Studio files reasonably well - everything comes
> through as a single object, but that's OK for many people.

    Any site that it is available by FTP?  If not, could we use
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> If you want an even better conversion from .3DS files to LightWave
> scenes complete with sub-objects, use InterChange Plus with the
> add-on 3D Studio Converter.  This lets you preserve the sub-objects,
> rotational centers, etc.

How much is the addon cost?  I have Interchance Plus and love it!

    Thanks John for your posting. 8)
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I've been meaning to post this for awhile but I never seem to get around
to it. Anyway....
For those who are always on the lookout for new objects or just don't have
the time to play in Modeler all day, I ran across some new 3D objects for
LightWave. They are part of a new series put out by a company called VRS.
I have two object sets. One includes a complete bedroom and bathroom and the
other is two home exteriors. Unlike most of the PD stuff I see floating
around, these objects are nicely detailed and very well textured (complete
with image maps). Example scenes are included so you can use them right
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On Mon, 12 Jul 93 10:24:46 CDT you said:
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>I would really like to see more discussion about the program itself.
>I would like to see people posting questions about how to use the program
>and getting answers to them.  This way, we can all learn instead of
>just blowing off steam at NewTek (I know, I've contributed enought
>noise to this discussion already).
>
Right, I have to agree with ya. I'm not an old subscriber of this lightwave
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this time of new Toaster/lightwave, people are just too dazzled with it
to think about new LW tips. Well, maybe when everybody is already with
the new Lightwave 3.0, which I think is something unavoidable, ideas will
start to shine again, enlightened by the new features of the software.
Just to throw some salt in the talk (and see what happens) I have a tip
and a doubt.
Of course you all have thinked about it before me, or maybe not, so I'll
tell it anyway. You can now, with LW3, use soft edge shadows, but if you
are still using 2.0, you can simulate the soft edge effect using a quite
simple and efficient technique; Suppose, as when I first had to use it,
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you need a soft edge shadow of a piece of chalk writing over a blackboard.
You'd model the chalk (just a lathe is enough), and assign it a surface,
let's say, "solid", and save it as e.g. "chalk". Ok, now you load it in
renderer, and set it's attributes, saving it again. Now, the trick: rede-
fine its attributes so that it's as transparent as you want your shadow
to be "soft", set transparent edges and a high edge threshold, say, 10.
it's wise to set its diffuse=100 and specular=0, but not necessary.
Rename its surface ("transp") and save the object, now named as "chalk-t".
now set your scene (use more than one light, it's more realistic!), and
position all your lights/objects so that the chalk cast shadows. enable
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shadow tracing (obviously!), disable the shadow casting of the solid
object ("chalk"), and enable it for "chalk-t", and check the shadow recei-
ving option for the blackboard.
  Of course your objects will have to be in the exact same position, and
maybe you'll have to reduce the size of the transparent one just a bit, to
avoid polygon overlapping rendering problems (not usual... happened me once)
Ah, and if you want a motion of it, remember not losing time setting key
frames for both objects, just for one, save the motion, and load it for
the other! ;)
Now render a frame, and, if neither me
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nor you forgot something, you will see, after some moments (tracing=slow,
threshold/transparent tracing=much slower!!!) you should see some nice
and conving soft-edged shadows. By the way, as this technique uses real
tracing, instead of shadow mapping, isn't it more realistic, mainly if
you use it with light falloff? (I know, I know, it's very slow, but works!)
   Now, a little doubt. Imagine (very cool, but with a slow and complicated
interface) can use a "global brush" for environment mapping, and keep tra-
cing reflections *and* the env map. Lightwave 2, on the other side, can
select an environment mapping brush/screen for every surface, a great ad-
vantage over Real3D/Imagine, but that precludes the tracing of the other

reflections. Although I've seen/heard somewhere a lot of surface settings
you needed to make that happen (diffuse=0 (?), etc.), I could never really
see that working. Is there any way, or is it just vapor-technique?
In that case, what about LW3? Any avantage (I think it's something really
necessary, I've made much better silver textures in Imagine than in LW,
using the same "FractalReflections" screen, mainly because of the true
reflections/environment mapping mixing.

PS: What about more tips? I still have some. I'll show you mine if you
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>>question - Will the most-awaited Display enhancer use the very same slot?

> Yes,  they do,  thats why the A4000 T has two video slots.

That's bad... I don't :)

>>*DO NEED* the display enhancer! I didn't buy my A4000 as a Toaster device
>>(and I think most of you didn't either) nor I bought a Workstation!

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> Have you looked at any of the RTG boards that are out there?  I am using
>a Picasso II board in my 3000 with a toaster and everything works fine. I
>am running the 2.0 toaster software, I haven't gotten 3.0  yet.  I can
>run workbench at 1100x900x (2-256 colors) and run the toaster no problem.
>They are also coming out with a composite/svhs adapter for the board so
>that you can run the output of the board into a toaster input,  pretty
>nice feature, that means you will be able to use TVPaint and XIPaint as
>the paint package for your toaster.  In any case, the 1100x900x256 color
>resolutions are several times faster (in an A3000/040) than a 640x480x256
>color modes on an A4000/040 (I have both machines).   You can promote the
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>current lightwave and modeler screens so that they are running on the
>Picasso II board,  not that they are resolutions sensitive (they don't
>scale themselves),  but they do look better.  Anyhow, just a thought,
>it works for me.  BTW I forgot to mention that the Picasso II plugs into
>a Zorro slot, so you don't have to worry about your video slot.

Great thought, thanks. Anyway, are this board/software only system promoters?
I mean, could they promote games, or Caligari, for example? Have you tested
it in your A4000? If yes, can it promote all modes, as super-hires and super72?
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>>Even worse, all the Amiga 4000s/1200/monitors systems I've seen show the
>>same problems in mode promotion: lack of overscan area, lower contrast and
>>definition than normal modes, and an awful lot of vertical banding - and
>>I could check that my same monitor connected to a PeeCee could enlarge the
>>display to fit the whole scan area, was much more sharp and bright and had
>>no vertical bands!
>
> The entire NEC line of monitors is carefully tuned to meet industry standard
>resolutions.  The vertical banding you are seeing is probably a moira(moray)
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>(how do you spell that) pattern that is the result of a combination of pixel
>clock, the tubes mask,  the dot pitch, and the current resolution you are
>running in.  As far as it being dark, I have seen that also, and that appears
>to be a termination problem with the amiga and the NEC's.  How did you get
>an NEC to work with the T4000?  Currently NewTek requires that you have
>a 1084 hooked up to boot a toaster on the 4000 as that is where they are
>getting sync from (tricky huh? also a silly way to do it).
Whatever this "moira" is, shouldn't Commodore use displays in the industry s-
tandards? Anyway, I've seen it not only in NEC's. I've tested in two SANSUNGs,
and it's always there, so I still think it's probably some problem with the
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chipset... anybody tested this with a C= 1950? Maybe it's setted right...
Hey, I don't have a T4000! I intend to have one, soon, but first I'll have
to understand exactly what to do to work on it in a non-flicking mode,
be it Picasso, Retina or even (bleargh!) DoubleNTSC.
This Toaster problem really worried me... I thought I've heard it was some-
thing with the adaptor. If it's true, can't the Toaster board be synced by
the 1950/1960? After all, can Toaster/Lightwave screens be mode promoted or
not???

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On Sat, 10 Jul 93 12:01:22 PDT you said:
>>
>> All this talk about toaster board vs. Lightwave remembered me one thing:
>> The Toaster board occupies the video slot (big news!) so, now the big
>> question - Will the most-awaited Display enhancer use the very same slot?
>
>You wanna tell us what the "most-awaited Display enhancer" is?
>
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>> Well, you may think, you can use DoubleNTSC mode with the Toaster/Lightwave
>> (at least that's what a Newtek person told me at NAB). I'll agree. But I
>> *DO NEED* the display enhancer! I didn't buy my A4000 as a Toaster device
>> (and I think most of you didn't either) nor I bought a Workstation! I
>
>I'm still wondering what this display enhancer is.  I don't need one (though
>I am looking forward to a nice 19-20" display someday).  What I need is for
>software companies to get with the program and let you select what kind of
>screen you wish to run on.
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Oh, you don't need it? Great. So what? That doesn't mean others don't.

>> bought a computer - a high end one, but a computer - so I'd like to play
>> games sometimes and even use some other 3D software that don't support
>> mode promotion, as Caligari 24. I *only* have a NEC4FG - it would be perfect
>> for almost all the other systems!
>
>Your problem is with the companies that write said software, not Commodore.
>Commodore can't hold the hand of every piss-ant developer out there and make
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>up for their shortcomings.  You want a proper display, call Octree, call
>Psygnosis or whomever.

As to Caligari software (not Octree anymore) I agree with you. Their program
is not even multi-tasking. But don't expect Psygnosis or other games company
to do such a kind of thing. Maybe for future games only. But don't you think
software companies should rest assured that Commodore would keep the Flicker
Fixer built in their future machines, since the A3000 experience had so good
results? Anyway, the external display enhancing solution is a much better one,
as you can keep your programs running in the same graphical speed in all modes.
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>> Even worse, all the Amiga 4000s/1200/monitors systems I've seen show the
>> same problems in mode promotion: lack of overscan area, lower contrast and
>> definition than normal modes, and an awful lot of vertical banding - and
>> I could check that my same monitor connected to a PeeCee could enlarge the
>> display to fit the whole scan area, was much more sharp and bright and had
>> no vertical bands!
>
>This is a combination of both poor software writing on the part of the
>developers and a poor setup by the user of the above systems.  Mode promotion
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>was only meant to be an interim solution so that developers would have time
>to get their act together.  It was not meant to be the end-all-be-all.  You
>should be thankful that they even put it in...otherwise you'd be looking at
>flickering screens...how'd you like that???

A3000 users don't have to look at flickering screens. A4000 users that want to
use all the modes the new machine offers, do! Don't you think that's a step
behind? *If* they didn't have put the crappy mode promotion in, I'd be totally
aware of the problem and would buy a 1084, that's what they're still keeping
in mind. (And, it seems, also Newtek...)
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>> Do you all have these problems? Commodore already failed to continue a good
>> idea as A3000's display enhancer, and even their mode promotion is a half-
>> -hearted and faulty solution. And now that they're about to release the
>> should-be-there-since-A4000-release display enhancer, it will maybe use the
>> video slot - forcing a decision between Toaster or D.E. Would you have any
>> news about it?
>>
>It was an okay idea.  But since it was an UN-upgradeable solution I think they
>did the right thing by making scanrate completely software controllable.
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You could have a slot for the display enhancer, so it would be easily upgrea-
deable. Scanrates totally controllable it's good but it's not enough (yet).

>Mode promotion wasn't meant to be anything more.  Get a life and complain to
>your software companies.  Oh, this is what you meant about "display enhancer."

Mode promotion it's almost nothing, in practice, so of course it wasn't meant
to be something (although I've learned to expect everything from C= !)
Nothing of what you said will change the fact that it should be something to
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replace the A3000 flicker fixer and it's a s%!#! Nothing will hide that it have
poor image quality, it's much slower than what we're used to, and can't
show Overscan areas - and that's something important for Toaster real time
playback of Lightwave animations!
Really amazed as you didn't know about Display enhancing! It comes from A3000
times! Where were you? Anyway, the A4000 display enhancer is claimed to offer
high res modes as 1280X1024 and 24-bit full color in all modes.

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The latest news ( well a few weeks ago now ) is that the display
enhancer is on hold. The AAA & A4000T are the top priorities at the
moment for the hardware people ( and the CD32 of course ). Amiga OS 3.1
is the top priority for the software people ( and some work on 4.0 ).

There are enough 3rd party companies to fill the gap for 24 bit
framebuffers and the A4000T is really the next logical release before
the display enhancer.

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> Is the Lightwave object file format specification published? I am
> writing an application that needs to be able to read and generate a
> wireframe preview of 3D objects in multiple formats. I would like to
> support Lightwave, but have not been able to locate the spec.

Minimally you could write VideoScape files.  VideoScape's ascii format is
very traditional (similar to .det files from the Utah Raster Toolkit) and
is simply a face list type format.
I can't remember of the top of my head but it is something like

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This example is a cube that has 8 vertices which are then listed, and 6 faces
all of which have 4 vertices defining them and are all surface 15 (white I
believe).
This is from memory and I can't remember if there is a format tag at the
beginning suchs as VSOBJ.

I am mainly posting because I am also interested in the binary LW object format
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    Thanks to Pete Nofel for the good summary.  But I still have one question:  with the double-up
option, what is the amount of the A4000 rebate?

David Sallach
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Subject: Toaster Upgrade Info



Here's the straight poop about upgrading the toaster, according to my
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All registered Toaster owners will receive upgrade packets including
brochure and video tpae beginning the second week in July. There are three
options for end-users to upgrade their toasters. These upgrades are
available until August 31, 1993 and are restricted to registered toaster
owners.

System 3.0 Software and Manual -- $795
   Upgrades existing A2000 systems to include most features in the Toaster
4000 except: real-time animation playback, most new effect modes, color
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interface screens, improved video output, and better genlock encoder.

Toaster 4000 Hardware Trade-up -- $1195
   With the Trade-up, end-users can recycle their current Toaster card into
a Toaster 4000. You'll get the new software, manual, and warranty. After
recycling, the card can be replaced in your existing Amiga 2000 or into a
new Amiga 4000. To recycle a card, the end-user will send it to Newtek and
receive ti back in approximately two weeks.

or...No Down Time Trade-up Option
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   Newtek will ship the user and already recycled VT4000 card from stock.
The end-user will have two weeks to return their old card to Newtek. The
end-user will pay the same $1195 plus a $500 *refundable* deposit agains
the return of their old Toaster.

The Double-Up -- $1795
   The end-user gets a new Toaster 4000 card with software and a manual
plus they get to keep their current toaster card and get a System 3.0
software manual and upgrade for it. By doubling up, you'll have two
up-to-date Toaster cards and software, plus a rebate offer towards
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Anyone want to send me $1795 for the Double-Up option? I promise to say
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>       1) Mark, what are your feeling about 3D Studio?

Hi J (or Eric?),

3D Studio is very fast and capable and certainly has been one of the driving
forces for a better faster LW. Currently, a render farm situation makes 3DS
very attractive. Besides being cheaper, its typically faster as well (from
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concerned (esp. for character animation), and I have always preferred LW's
interface over 3DS. The speed/cost per seat issue has certainly become a
concern at NewTek, and projects like seaQuest really fuel those concerns.
What they will ultimately do is unkown to me, but the situation must
change to remain competitive in the more high-end productions. Anyway, for
my use, the advantages of LW still outway the disadvantages when compared to
3DS. But I must confess that I have been looking at modelers on other platforms
for spline patch capabilities and that includes 3DS.

>       2) How many machines DOES seaquest use?  How many operators?
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I haven't talked to them lately but it was close to a dozen people and
over 60 machines. I'm not sure what it is currently.

        3) I've suggested a LWave render/accelerator/dongle

This would be good but it would have to be VERY fast and available very
soon. If this is not possible, one of the best alternatives I see is a LW
port to the new SGI Indy that was just announced. Its R4000 based with
future upgrades to the R4400 (very fast) and has a base price of $4995.
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A LW network with a bunch of new Indys and Amigas would be quite cool.

>       4) Just saw an ALIAS demo.

I've been looking at Alias again lately myself for the modeling reasons
cited above.

>          With LWave's simple file structures, it's surprising we
> don't see more 3rd party modelers.

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I really hope the 3rd party stuff explodes. There are so many opportunities
there for both LW and Modeler. But as far as a 3rd party Modeler replacement
goes, that would be a great deal of work. I'd rather pester Stuart for new
features :-)

>       5) If you have any clout w/Stuart Ferguson

The ones with the real clout are making lots of underwater pics right now :-)
or are gearing up for the Bab5 series.
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Can anyone recommend an image processing package that will do a good
even blur on a 24-bit image?  I have ADPro and have not had much luck
with it.  I need a very wide blur, say a 10 pixel convolution, and
ADPro just can't do it.  If I apply the 5x5 blur kernel multiple times,
the image "drifts" downwards, with all the bluring smearing down
instead of uniformly in all directions.  Since the blurred image needs
to align with the original, this is not acceptable.  If I use the
"BLUR" operator I do not ever get a wide enough blur no matter how
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I've heard some people like 'Image Master.'  Would that do what I need?
What else do folks use for image processing?  If I can get this effect
to work I'll post it as a tip.  Thanks in advance.

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>Not really, I dont see any reason to buy a display device for the PC
>if you have the toaster already..   I used to swap stuff back and forth
>between a dos machine and a VT all the time... The Toaster made an
>excellent display device, while the Dos box printed slides...
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>Scottie..

    Indeed!  What method did you use to do this?  Network?
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>........Currently, a render farm situation makes 3DS
>very attractive. Besides being cheaper, its typically faster as well (from
>what I have seen). But LW has surpassed it as far as functionality is
>concerned (esp. for character animation), and I have always preferred LW's
>interface over 3DS. The speed/cost per seat issue has certainly become a
>concern at NewTek, and projects like seaQuest really fuel those concerns.

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    I certainly hope this is NOT true.
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>>          With LWave's simple file structures, it's surprising we
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>there for both LW and Modeler. But as far as a 3rd party Modeler replacement
>goes, that would be a great deal of work. I'd rather pester Stuart for new
>features :-)

    I suspect the AREXX gurus are sharpening their knives right now.
Particle systems are gonna be big.

>
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>Speaking as a 3D Studio user, I would say that the only things you
>are possibly neglecting are more memory and a larger hard drive.
>I think most $2500 PCs come with 8MB ram and a 200-340meg HD.
>Even thought 3DS runs with a 32bit dos extender that does virtual memory,
>8MB is definitely not enough for 3DS.  I would say 16MB is the
>bare minium.  This is what I started out with.

    THANX!  This type of information is GREAT to have when going
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>  A 340meg HD should be big enough, assuming you
>have a big drive on your Amiga(s).

    I was thinking gigabyte removable somewhere on the net.

>be sure to get a graphics board for the PC that has a 640x480x24bit
>mode and has ADI drivers support switching from the editing video
>mode (usually 1024x768x256) to render mode (640x480x24bit).    I have
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> Stay away from the ATI
>graphics ultra pro.  People on CI$ have been complaining bitterly
>about this board when used with 3DS.  I hear the Weitek P9000 boards
>are really fast, but some people have had problems, while others
>have had no problems with the exact same board.
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    More valuable info!  seeing as how I'm not on CI$.


>.........render without the dongle either way.

    I heard a nasty rumor that 3DS v3.0 WILL require a dongle on
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>Please keep me posted on how this goes.  I am thinking of expanding
>the other way (from PC only to PC+Toaster).

    I'll be happy to, but don't hold your breath.  This is long
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> I need a very wide blur, say a 10 pixel convolution

I'm unaware of commercial programs with this capability, but writing
a convolver filter in C ranks as among the easiest coding execises I
know of (and I can't imagine you are afraid of coding :-) The only question
is what do you want to do at the image boundries, which is of particular
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When convolution kernals start getting big, the frequency domain approach
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Also, I believe the "Hooks" feature of ImageFX would simplify any coding
you would need. You would simply write the filter and ImageFX would handle
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>On Mon, 12 Jul 93 10:24:46 CDT you said:
>>
>>I would really like to see more discussion about the program itself.
>>I would like to see people posting questions about how to use the program
>>and getting answers to them.  This way, we can all learn instead of
>>just blowing off steam at NewTek (I know, I've contributed enought
>>noise to this discussion already).
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>Can anyone recommend an image processing package that will do a
>good even blur on a 24-bit image?  I have ADPro and have not
>had much luck with it.  I need a very wide blur, say a 10 pixel
>convolution,

Stuart, to my knowledge our ImageFX package is the only package that will
allow you to use any arbitrary sized kernal for convolutions.  The ImageFX
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>     Wondering if users out there have seen the Toaster 3.0
> Demo/Announcement tape.  I saw the first few seconds of it at
> a local Science Fair.   Wow!
>     Hope it will be shipping to an address near me soon.

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I have to admit that I was a little shocked by it.
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First, I thought it was GREAT that the music through a lot of it was from
LORDS OF ACID.  The song is rather raw with lyrics such as:

  When I think about love
  don't thing about bright moons
  twinkling stars
  warm summer nights
  silent wispers
  holding hands
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  secret love letters...

  I think about PURE sex
  deep sex
  hot sex
  rough sex
  etc.
  (Chorus with women moaning the tune)

Great song!  GREAT ALBUM (I sit on Acid is killer)
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Second, I don't think this is the right marketing technique represented
in this video.  I have heard that they are generating a little animosity
with their "The Networks SUCK!!!" campaign.

In general, the skateboard guru was a joke.  He was obviously forcing his
lines, however, the footage of him skating used to show off all the switcher
effects was great.
Not sure what Wesley Crusher (Wheaton) adds, but Penn from Penn&Teller is
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The new CG GUI looks great and I think they covered that well, but the
production examples looked pretty crappy.  (I guess they were trying to show
that all sizes and colors were available per character but even in that context
they looked bad).

The new Lightwave clips look GREAT!!!
Different B5 clips, some ad stuff, and <drum roll> GREAT SeaQuest clips (I can't
wait, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait,......)

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Same silly voice over (one guy playing 2 rolls talking about how outdated them
sucky networks are that will now avoid any amiga equipment as much as they
can, as would I if someone started a campaign that I sucked.)
Wether or not the "networks suck" attitude will sell toaster to us little guys
is questionable, I myself, would like to be as much like the networks quality-
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>other is two home exteriors. Unlike most of the PD stuff I see floating
>around, these objects are nicely detailed and very well textured (complete

Bad as they are, Mark, where do you find the most 3D PD objs? I've been
looking for some, and I am not having luck... Any FTP site?

Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])

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>This is not the case.  I run lightwave on a stock system at 60Hz,
>noninterlaced.

A2000 with one of those flicker fixers that replaces Denise? What about
A4000 and T4000 users? I've been told T4000 only works connected to a
1084, just as the previous version... is *that* correct, or not? Anyway,
if it's true, can at least the 1960 provide the sync signals the T4000
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>It is sad to see Amiga display technology get nice but not to be able
>to use it with the best modeling and animation software for the Amiga.
>
>Bailey

I'm so sad I have to totally agree with you, Bailey. Every time I get
more convinced that the Amiga is the better machine there's in the mar-
ket, but the people that make it get in trouble to solve simple probs
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AMIGA 4000 + TOASTER 4000 + FLICK = HUGE SHAME

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> Bad as they are, Mark, where do you find the most 3D PD objs? I've been
> looking for some, and I am not having luck... Any FTP site?

There are some on Bob's Graphics BBS, and there are many on other BBSs
as well like the Media Zone and Studio BBS. Sorry, don't have their phone
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Well Siggraph is almost a week away so I best make this announcement....

Once again, I have organized an Amiga 3D Graphics and Animation Special
Interest Group meeting at Siggraph. And once again, there is no set
agenda, just a free form exchange and interaction of people with similar
interests. Last year we viewed a variety of great demo tapes and then
moved on to discussions and some new product talk and announcements.
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will get it anyway (as we did last year). Anyway, look forward to seeing
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Date: Wednesday, August 4
Time: 10am (we have the room till noon)
Location: Anaheim Hilton, Palos Verdes A/B

This info will also be posted at Siggraph and it will probably be best
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Sorry if this response is a bit late, but ...
Peter Nofel writes about how 3DS failed to meet his needs. I'm interning at a
place that uses the Toaster, but I own 3DS. Why, do you ask? Believe it or
not, price.

I don't need
>        1. A video switcher with dozens of wipes
>        2. A frame grabber
>        3. A Character Generator
>        4. Direct output to video
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>        5. A paint package
>        6. The ability to integrate with other animation packages like
>           DPaint IV
What I needed was an inexpensive 3D package. I already had a clone, with two
paint packages (Cricket Paint $92 on specail and Corel Photopaint $149
included w/CorelDraw), so I checked out my options there. I was able to get
3DS through Autodesk as a grad student for about $748. Since my 386/40
w/16megs was cobbled together for under $1k, this was cheaper for me. I can
model at home, take my files to school and command line render them on a
486/66 (or 2 or 3 or ...), and then dump the images to tape (unforunately, not
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I enjoy working w/Lightwave (we have 2.0). Its output seems to be a little
better than 3DS (my opinion). Animationwise they seem very similar. My main
beef with lightwave is in its modeler. It bites when compared to 3DS's (again,
my opinion). I have been able to build much more complicated items in 3DS than
in lightwave.

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Perhaps this is an old question, but is there a converter out there to
convert Imagine objects to LW objects?  I have seen one Sagen
(billions and billions) of Image objects on FTP sites, but have not
been able to locate any LW stuff.

I would also be interested in converters for other formats as well.

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On Mon, 19 Jul 93 08:33:19 EDT you said:

>Second, I don't think this is the right marketing technique represented
>in this video.  I have heard that they are generating a little animosity
>with their "The Networks SUCK!!!" campaign.
Well, maybe their researchs (do they do any?) showed off that Toaster is not
really selling for the big networks, only for us, small users. So they
decided to assume their product it's really for us. (and suggesting that if
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>wait, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait,......)
me too, me too, me too, me too, me tooooo,...:)

>Same silly voice over (one guy playing 2 rolls talking about how outdated them
Hey, I *did* like that! With so beautiful images, you need something sounding
really interesting to grab your attention, and that voice is... well, grabby!

>sucky networks are that will now avoid any amiga equipment as much as they
>can, as would I if someone started a campaign that I sucked.)
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You mean they're really mentioning the once-obscure name A-M-I-G-A in their
tape???? Can't believe it! Really??? Will they also no longer hide the Amiga
name with their Toaster name in their complete workstation? Too good to be
true. Maybe Newtek has really bought Commodore and don't wanna tell us!
Let's pay attention if C= ads get "Toaster-like" :)))

>is questionable, I myself, would like to be as much like the networks quality-
>wise as possible.
But network quality doesn't means network cr*ppity! Right? ;)

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>David R. Watters ([e-mail])    Cranel Inc. Development & Engineering
>
Well, maybe no one asked for my oppinions anyway... but I insist!  :))))

Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])

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>>.........render without the dongle either way.
>
>   I heard a nasty rumor that 3DS v3.0 WILL require a dongle on
>the render portion!  Any input on that?
Just a quick note here:
Have you already heard about REAL 3D's soon to be released S.A.R.E (stand
alone rendering engines)? They will provide render files to run in 486s,
other Amigas, and even workstations (SGI and Sun, if I remember correctly).
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The slower you say the render is, it's gorgeous (haven't seen the LWPro's
under my own hands, so I can't compare), and very REALlistic. :)
The great problem I found is the splines manipulation/redraw... it's REALly
slow...
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Breno A. Silva.

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  There. Now that I have your attention. ;) No, really, this is an
important warning.

  I work for a computer store called _The Computer Room_ in Denver, Colorado.
On July 1, 1993, a customer going under the name of "Tom Nelson" purchased
a full-boat Amiga 4000/040+Toaster4000 system. The cashier's check which was
presented turned out to be bogus. Mr. Nelson has disappeared from sight.

  I ask your help, fellow netters and Toasteroids. If you see any sign of
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Room. We're a small company (7 people) trying to stay alive and make a living
in _spite_ of Commodore ;) and getting stiffed on this much gear hurts
_personally_.

  Contact us during the daytime at (303)-696-8973 or (303)-799-9733. FAX
at (303)-752-9491. Or feel free to leave email to the address listed below.
Do not 'r'eply to this message, since my mail headers may not get the
message back to me.

  The cashier's check was apparently drawn on Norwest Banks, for $7369.15.
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  The system has been reported to NewTek and Commodore/Commodore Express
as stolen. Local authorities have been notified. All parties have the serial
numbers.

  Details of the system, and serial numbers follow.

  Amiga 4000/040, 120Mb HD, 6MB RAM       S/N 9005668
  NewTek VT4000                           S/N 7096756
  Extra 12Mb RAM (Total 18Mb)
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  1084S Monitor                           S/N 1058654
  Maxtor 7345A 345Mb IDE HD (in addition to orig Seagate 120Mb)
  DPS Personal TBC 4
  (Computer Room Mouse Mat ;)

  I suspect that this machine will be moved out of Denver for resale. The
bank (Norwest) advised us that several bogus cashier's checks (all apparently
Norwest) have been passed at area computer stores. This isn't just an Amiga
sleazeball, he likes PCs and Macs too. So we figure he's buying it to resell.

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  Since the Toaster 4000 is so new, a sale of a used system should be fairly
remarkable. Please, I ask everyone, keep an eye out for this dweeb.

  I'm not authorised to offer any reward or anything, but if you can direct
us to our poor abducted Toaster, I think we could find some way to show
our gratitude.

  Please, distribute this message as far and wide as possible to users groups,
FIDO, BBSes and local dealers.

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>
>On Mon, 19 Jul 93 08:33:19 EDT you said:
>
>>Second, I don't think this is the right marketing technique represented
>>in this video.  I have heard that they are generating a little animosity
>>with their "The Networks SUCK!!!" campaign.
>Well, maybe their researchs (do they do any?) showed off that Toaster is
>not
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>decided to assume their product it's really for us. (and suggesting that if
>the networks decide to un-suck, just think toaster twice!)

I think that thier "networks suck" campaign is stupid.  It's alienating alot
of potential customers.  There ARE alot of networks using the Toaster for
production and alot of professionals that work FOR the networks in some
capacity using the Toaster/LightWave to do work.  It's a silly campaign if you
ask me.  Besides, they actually say that anyone can produce shows with the
Toaster that are "better" than the networks.  What a bunch of hogwash.
Obviously these people (whoever is thinking this up and the tape said it was
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written by Mark Randall I believe) doesn't have a CLUE as to what is involved
in producting a network series or show.  You need a TEAM of professionals to
get the quality they achieve and a single person sitting at home with thier
Toaster is NOT going to produce a show better than the networks, period.

>>sucky networks are that will now avoid any amiga equipment as much as they
>>can, as would I if someone started a campaign that I sucked.)
>You mean they're really mentioning the once-obscure name A-M-I-G-A in their
>tape???? Can't believe it! Really??? Will they also no longer hide the
>Amiga
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>name with their Toaster name in their complete workstation? Too good to be
>true. Maybe Newtek has really bought Commodore and don't wanna tell us!


Well, so much for that idea.  I sent my Beta Toaster in for the Dealer Demo
Upgrade and it came back with the release software, new manual and nice,
colorful new Video Toaster 4000 stickers to cover up the Amiga 4000 logo on
the CPU and the 1084S logo on the Monitor.  Amiga-phobia is still rampant with
the GnuTek marketing droids.

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Oh...by the way, Will Wheaton (from STTNG I guess) is the person who actually
says "the networks suck!".

I received this tape in the mail as a registered Toaster 2000 (yeah, I have a
2000 Toaster personal system at home and a 4000 Toaster system at work) owner.

The package was to inform me of my upgrade options and it included the tape.
It shows some nice Lightwave stuff but all the video stuff was just a bunch of
marketing hype.  I would have rather just had a bunch of lightwave stuff,
switcher effects, CG and a music bed.
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So much for Toaster stuff.  This *should* be posted in the Toaster list
anyways...<grin>

We should stick to LightWave hints and techniques here so please lets move to
those subjects.  Thanks.

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>>Same silly voice over (one guy playing 2 rolls talking about how outdated them
>Hey, I *did* like that! With so beautiful images, you need something sounding
>really interesting to grab your attention, and that voice is... well, grabby!

For what it's worth, the guy doing the voice overs on the tapes is Ken Nordine.
If you listen closely next time you see TV commercials (or hear radio ones), you
will hear his voice quite often.  He even won a special Grammy award last year
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Stiglich)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: DoubleNTSC

On Wed 21-Jul-1993  2:26p,  wrote:
> David R. Watters wrote:
> >This is not the case.  I run lightwave on a stock system at 60Hz,
> >noninterlaced.

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> A2000 with one of those flicker fixers that replaces Denise? What about
> A4000 and T4000 users? I've been told T4000 only works connected to a
> 1084, just as the previous version... is *that* correct, or not? Anyway,
> if it's true, can at least the 1960 provide the sync signals the T4000
> is supposed to require?
> ANYBODY RUNNING T4000/LWPRO AT NON-FLICKING RATES OUT THERE??? HELP ME!!!

> Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])
As of right now, the only way to get the toaster to boot is to have a 1084 or
equivalent connected to the 4000's RGB port. NO multisyncs work, but C= is
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As Tom Petty would say .... The waiting is the hardest part.

Steve

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>
> Perhaps this is an old question, but is there a converter out there to
> convert Imagine objects to LW objects?  I have seen one Sagen
> (billions and billions) of Image objects on FTP sites, but have not
> been able to locate any LW stuff.
>
> I would also be interested in converters for other formats as well.
>
> Cliff McKeithan
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>

Probably the two best conveters on the market are:

    1. Interchange by Syndesis (forgive spelling)

    2. Pixel Pro by Axiom

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Both will give you the capabilities that you are looking for..

Scott A Jones


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gets duplicates.
----------------

+-- Mark Thompson wrote:
| >>  to add a "SAVE WORK IN PROGRESS" feature to Modeler.
| > This was on my list of easy ARexx scripts which I suggested be included.
| Stuart, Lee once told me that there was a "SECRET" Modeler feature that
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I did work on such a concept at one time.  Of course all such experiments
are usually removed before a release.

If, hypothetically speaking, such a feature were "accidentally" left in,
it would save all *currently active* layers in a single file.  This file
would be a different format from the normal object files and could not be
read by LightWave.  It would also wipe out all data when loading
(although Undo would work).  If such a feature did exist, hypothetically,
it would be unsupported, but I personally would not have any problem
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        Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
            Prepare to Surge to Sublight Speed!

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Toaster Fans,

I finally finished installing the T4000 software and was looking to
customize the configuration.  For some reason, everytime I wanted to load
a SCENE, I would get a "Directory not found" error.  In the directory name
would be _E#@#$$%#@@!###_.  I knew that there was something screwed up and
a friend helped me.  The solution may be well known, but was not in my
manual. (I've read it cover to cover, my parents think that's strange, but
they don't know the lure of the Toaster.) It was in my friend's manual,
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to set up LW to look in the directories that you want it to for certain
files.

There is a file called LW-config that is a text file and can be edited as
such.  Just open it up in your favorite editor and you can see where LW
looks for SCENES, OBJECTS, LIGHTS, etc.  Change the directory to what you
want and when you hit LOAD or SAVE then LW will go there.

For example the file reads as such:

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        LWCO
        0
        FileReqPreset1 DF0 DF0:
        FileReqPreset2 HD0 HD0:
        FileReqPreset3 HD1 HD1:
        FileReqPreset4 RAM RAM:
        etc.

On my system, my hardrives are named after people. (Don't ask, long
story.) :-)  Anyway, my second hardrive is ELVIS and that's where I keep
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Framestores, so to change the radio button in the requester to read ELVIS
and look at DH1:, I would edit the appropriate line in the config file to
read:

        FileReqPreset3 ELVIS DH1:


The effect of this change will make the 3rd radio button in the file
requester read ELVIS and when clicked on will look at DH1:  Look at the
rest of the config file and you should be able to figure out how it works.
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(heck, it's easy I figured it out) There is also a config file for
MODELLER as well.

Be careful though, only certain things can be changed.  Like directories,
drives, drive buttons, and certain default values in MODELLER.

If I'm the only guy on the planet who didn't know this, then I deserve to
be flamed for wasting bandwidth and time.  (be gentle, it's my first
Toaster)

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But maybe this will get the TIP train rolling.  It's definitely new users like
me that need the most help, but I feel all can benefit from the free
flow of tips, tricks, anecdotes, whatever.  You know, a story about how
your girlfriend is threatening to leave you because, "You love that damn
Toaster more than me!" kind of thing.  Hell, that may be the tip of the
week, HOW TO GET DUMPED...BUY A TOASTER...BE HAPPY AGAIN, hmmm.  So if you
crusty old users have any morsels...

In the end, the more sophisticated all Toaster users become, the better
for all of us.  Hell, even the simplest of suggestion is bound to help
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someone.  If nothing else, it will generate more discussion of the
Toaster.

(c'mon...let's all hold hands...together now...We are the World, we
are the Toasters...) ;-))

Bill Dukes
Kinetic Designs

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Hey guys, Ive got an extra lightwave dongle laying around!

It comes with Lw 3.0, and I want $1000/obo for it..

If your interested:

please email replies to [e-mail], [e-mail]
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IN reality this is a full blown Video Toaster w/ 3.0 upgrade in case you
wanted to do stuff other than farm out your rendering..  No?  well I
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Thanks for your time!
-Scott

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> Oh...by the way, Will Wheaton (from STTNG I guess) is the person who actually
> says "the networks suck!".

Actually it is the Skateboard guru... "Let's face <zoom in> the networks suck!"

> We should stick to LightWave hints and techniques here so please lets move to
> those subjects.  Thanks.

In that case...

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Is there a version of Rend24 that allows framesteps greater than 1?

Does make anim choke on a large number of frames?

Is there a newer version of Fred (ADPro) that allows framesteps greater than 1?

Does ADAM chuck when there are more than 999 frames?  I had it sit there
waiting for frame 1002 (the first one >= 1000) even though it was sitting
right there on disk.

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>>Well, maybe their researchs (do they do any?) showed off that Toaster is
>>not
>>really selling for the big networks, only for us, small users. So they
>>decided to assume their product it's really for us. (and suggesting that if
>>the networks decide to un-suck, just think toaster twice!)
>I think that thier "networks suck" campaign is stupid.  It's alienating alot
>of potential customers.  There ARE alot of networks using the Toaster for
>production and alot of professionals that work FOR the networks in some
>capacity using the Toaster/LightWave to do work.  It's a silly campaign if you
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king to do this. It's surely a radical thing and radical things are *NOT* good.

>the CPU and the 1084S logo on the Monitor.  Amiga-phobia is still rampant with
>the GnuTek marketing droids.
Nargh! Too bad! Maybe Sony? Anybody wants the Commodore? Please?

>We should stick to LightWave hints and techniques here so please lets move to
>those subjects.  Thanks.
Yeah! That's it! Why don't you start it out? <grin> Maybe some LWPro tip?

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 I finally finished installing the T4000 software and was looking to
 customize the configuration.  For some reason, everytime I wanted to load
 a SCENE, I would get a "Directory not found" error.  In the directory name
 would be _E#@#$$%#@@!###_.  I knew that there was something screwed up and
 a friend helped me.  The solution may be well known, but was not in my
 manual. (I've read it cover to cover, my parents think that's strange, but
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 though.  So for those who don't read manuals or it's missing, here's how
 to set up LW to look in the directories that you want it to for certain
 files.

 There is a file called LW-config that is a text file and can be edited as
 such.  Just open it up in your favorite editor and you can see where LW
 looks for SCENES, OBJECTS, LIGHTS, etc.  Change the directory to what you
 want and when you hit LOAD or SAVE then LW will go there.

 For example the file reads as such:
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         LWCO
         0
         FileReqPreset1 DF0 DF0:
         FileReqPreset2 HD0 HD0:
         FileReqPreset3 HD1 HD1:
         FileReqPreset4 RAM RAM:
         etc.

 On my system, my hardrives are named after people. (Don't ask, long
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 story.) :-)  Anyway, my second hardrive is ELVIS and that's where I keep
 Framestores, so to change the radio button in the requester to read ELVIS
 and look at DH1:, I would edit the appropriate line in the config file to
 read:

         FileReqPreset3 ELVIS DH1:


 The effect of this change will make the 3rd radio button in the file
 requester read ELVIS and when clicked on will look at DH1:  Look at the
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 rest of the config file and you should be able to figure out how it works.
 (heck, it's easy I figured it out) There is also a config file for
 MODELLER as well.

 Be careful though, only certain things can be changed.  Like directories,
 drives, drive buttons, and certain default values in MODELLER.

 If I'm the only guy on the planet who didn't know this, then I deserve to
 be flamed for wasting bandwidth and time.  (be gentle, it's my first
 Toaster)
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 But maybe this will get the TIP train rolling.  It's definitely new users
 like
 me that need the most help, but I feel all can benefit from the free
 flow of tips, tricks, anecdotes, whatever.  You know, a story about how
 your girlfriend is threatening to leave you because, "You love that damn
 Toaster more than me!" kind of thing.  Hell, that may be the tip of the
 week, HOW TO GET DUMPED...BUY A TOASTER...BE HAPPY AGAIN, hmmm.  So if you
 crusty old users have any morsels...

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 In the end, the more sophisticated all Toaster users become, the better
 for all of us.  Hell, even the simplest of suggestion is bound to help
 someone.  If nothing else, it will generate more discussion of the
 Toaster.

 (c'mon...let's all hold hands...together now...We are the World, we
 are the Toasters...) ;-))

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 Kinetic Designs
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>Is there a version of Rend24 that allows framesteps greater
>than 1?

I don't recall if REND24 was upgraded for such a thing, but Tom Krehbiel can
be reached as [e-mail] or you can call Late Nite Amiga BBS to email
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"Scott Jones (Dr. Jones)" <[e-mail]> writes:

> > Perhaps this is an old question, but is there a converter out there to
> > convert Imagine objects to LW objects?  I have seen one Sagen
> Probably the two best conveters on the market are:
>        1. Interchange by Syndesis (forgive spelling)
>        2. Pixel Pro by Axiom
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You spelled everything correctly, nothing to worry about!  But I've
said it many times, and many have confirmed this:  InterChange Plus
does a much better job than Pixel when it comes to converting between
LightWave and Imagine.

Pixel loses any parent-child relationships when it works with Imagine
objects.  It can't convert an Imagine object to a LightWave scene.

InterChange Plus can convert LightWave scenes to Imagine objects,
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etc.  And we're less expensive, too.  Call [phone] for more
info.  We're about to release ICP version 3.0, which has quite a few
pleasant surprises in it.

We'll announce it at Siggraph.  We're in booth 2244, if you plan to
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Thanks!
       OK This one is probably used by everyone, but I was
suitably impressed with it :)

    Problem: Create Poly's within off-axis poly's
                              (i.e. windows on slanted walls)

        Identify one point and make it a single point polygon.
        doe the same for the oposite side. Then change select to
        Polygons ( the 2 newly created poly's should show ).
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        Go to Multiply, Morph and select a number of points to
        be created along this axis. After that merely repeat for
        points on the opposite side and 'connect the dots'.

                   Of course Bolean operators in T4K are easier.
                      More TIPS anyone ?
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I just got 3.o installed last night.  Fun Fun Fun.

I am working on a project that has a huge number of long thin parallel
polygons which is of course an aliasing nightmare.  I have more moiria
patterns than I care too.  Really bad, but there is nothing I can do about
it as the data is extremely accurate and I can not fudge it with image
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I thought this forum might want to swat this suggestion to
Allen around......

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Hi Allen:

    As I've worked more and more with 2.67b (drat!) I've been
thinking about the color requestor.

    It seems too deep to me.  Specifically, I feel the texture
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requestor should be appended to the color requestor, but ghosted
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    This would accomplish a couple of interface goals:

    1) It would establish a visual connection between the
       surface color and those textures that use the surface
       color as a component, e.g. the checkerboard, dots, and
       marble textures.

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    2) Combination would allow those dual color textures (again,
       the checkerboard) to display their two colors right
       next to each other, for ease of comparison by the
       animator.  This would eliminate the frequent need, in
       my experience, to flip back to the color requestor to
       read the RGB values again.

    3) It would reduce the depth of the interface (a global
       interface goal) without reducing its functionality.

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    4) It would eliminate the anomalous behavior of the
       texture requestor, in that the USE TEXTURE button
       bypasses the color requestor on the way out.  Although
       this is the most useful and desirable behavior, it is
       slightly jarring in that it breaks the hierarchy of the
       requestor invocation path.  (ye gads!)

    I hope you agree with this analysis.

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    So, how do you fellow members of the LightWave mailing list
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For both Lo-res and Medium-res image settings....you should be able to use
an Anti-Alias setting of Low (5 passes) along with a threshold value of
between 16-32.  I ususally use a value around 24 which is quite quick.

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well, i tried being calm about this but...
i ordered the "no down time" option for the toaster 4000 on tuesday morning,
8:30 July 12. I order the overnight express option. Since i called before
12:00 their time, i am assured that i will receive it overnight. I get
a callfrom Newtek later that day-
Sorry, we can't ship out today, overbooked blahblah, it will go out
wednesday.
o.k., i think, whats one day for such a great package :-)
the package comes on thursday, July 15. I pull out my old toaster, put
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work. I call newtek Friday July 16, 9:00 a.m their time. Tech support
says, no problem, we will send out a disk, overnite saturday delivery.
i wait, no disk on saturday. I need to continue with work, so i pull
out the new toaster card, put back the old one-since the new installation
wacks some files, i need to back up.
i call newtek on monday, july 19. they say they will check.
i call newtek on tuesday, july 20. they say they will send a disk today,
you will get tomorrow.
i call newtek on wednesday, july 21.
i get a disk on thursday, july 22. Despite explaining clearly which upgrade
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i call Newtek friday, july 23. they promise they will send out the right
disk overnight, Saturday special delivery.
it is now 10:20 p.m, saturday nite. i have no disk.
if any one at newtek reads this list, please tell me what is going on.

sorry for the long post, i just find the whole deal unacceptable.

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On Wed 21-Jul-1993  2:26p,  wrote:
>> David R. Watters wrote:
>> >This is not the case.  I run lightwave on a stock system at 60Hz,
>> >noninterlaced.
>
>> A2000 with one of those flicker fixers that replaces Denise? What about
>> A4000 and T4000 users? I've been told T4000 only works connected to a
>> 1084, just as the previous version... is *that* correct, or not? Anyway,
>> if it's true, can at least the 1960 provide the sync signals the T4000
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>> is supposed to require?
>> ANYBODY RUNNING T4000/LWPRO AT NON-FLICKING RATES OUT THERE??? HELP ME!!!
>
>> Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])
>As of right now, the only way to get the toaster to boot is to have a 1084 or
>equivalent connected to the 4000's RGB port. NO multisyncs work, but C= is
>making a monitor "dongle" that will allow 1950/60 and other multi's to work.
>As Tom Petty would say .... The waiting is the hardest part.
>
>Steve
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Agreed! A friend of mine told me he could run the normal Toaster in his A2000
with a NEC3D (accepts 15.5 KHz horiz. freq.), simply connecting the horizon-
tal sync wire with the composite sync. He told me the Toaster simply disli-
kes not-composite syncs. By the way, this method, as he told me, DO has side
effects... the monitor image generally disappears for about 10 mins, but when
come back it keeps ok... well, not recommended, but...
P.S: By the way, would, in such conditions, (syncs-connection or C= dongle)
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> As I've worked more and more with 2.67b thinking about the color requestor.

If I'm not mistaken, the texture interface was changed just shortly after
version 2.67b to the way it is in the release version. Now there is the
Surface Color button which bring up the color requestor and a seperate "T"
button which is for texture handling. If there is a texture assigned, this
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>     It seems too deep to me.  Specifically, I feel the texture
> requestor should be appended to the color requestor, but ghosted
> until activated.

I like this suggestion especially for the ability to see the two colors
side by side. It would simplify the interface as well.
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Hello Again,

To add a little more to the last letter (about texture mapping a carrier),

I have rendered the carrier with the camara at a 900 angle above the
carrier so that it incompasses the whole carrier in the pict.  I render
and save this image then bring it into TP and procede to place lines on
the flight deck section of the image.  I then cut the image of the carrier
out of the pict and save it as a brush.  I load this brush into LW as a
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map this from the surface color texture setting.  Before using texture I
autosize.

When this is rendered the image does not line up correctly.  It seems to
be off toward the left.  To try and compensate I alter the texture map
center by +3 on the X cord, which then cuts off the far left edge of the
texture map.  I then increased the length of x for the texture by 6.
This seems to map the image well to what it started from,

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> >As of right now, the only way to get the toaster to boot is to have a 1084 or
> >equivalent connected to the 4000's RGB port.

> Agreed! A friend of mine told me he could run the normal Toaster in his A2000
> with a NEC3D (accepts 15.5 KHz horiz. freq.), simply connecting the horizon-
> tal sync wire with the composite sync. He told me the Toaster simply disli-
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Does any hardware guy know if you could connect the composite sync line to
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   Someone asked about making realistic flames for an Olympic torch. While
I haven't made that object, I have used Fractal Noise to produce very
convincing rocket exhaust. I'd think from that point it would only be a
matter of playing with some parameters to get a torch.
  I'd start by creating several cones or teardrop objects of varied size
and height.  The cones are good if you have to worry about the number of
polygons in your scene, but they don't smooth off as nice as a hemisphere
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2s, 100 Mb HDs, and 2/6Mb RAM.
   Take the cones/teardrops [pointy-ends up, of course] into Layout.  Under
Surfaces, set the color to an orange [or whatever you want] and turn on
Luminous.  I've used it both ways, and I like Luminous On best.
   Very Important: Set Diffuse to 100% and Specularity to 0%.  If you don't
set Specularity to 0, then you can't feather out the end.
   Set Gloss to Low.  Then go to Transparency.
   Set Transparency to 100% and select Texture.
   Here's where you have to play around to get the "flame" you want.
   Select Fractal Noise and begin varying the parameters.
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    with the long axis at 40% of object length and the other two at
    10%.

    Texture Center: If you created the flames at the 0,0,0 point in
    Modeler and then moved the flames where they were needed, you
    shouldn't have to change this. Otherwise put the center at the
    center base of your teardrops.

    Falloff: This is how you feather out the ends of the flames. For
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    a 10 meter cone, drop the falloff 1% along the long axis. Varying
    this will let the cone/teardrop tips appear or end at different
    parts of the cone.

    Velocity moves the bright spots of the flames along each axis and
    gives the impression the flame is moving.

    Frequencies: The more frequencies, the longer the rendering time.

    Contrast: The higher the contrast the more pronounced the
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   Pick Use Texture and get back to the Surface requestor.
   Set Smoothing on and set Double Sided on.

It all comes down to a matter of playing with the parameters. I've used
Fractal noise to produce high-pressure spray, mist, rocket exhaust, and
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On Mon, 26 Jul 1993, Uma S. Pandey wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to create an Olympic torch, with flames, I have created the torch,
> Now I am stuck in creating the flames. I want to become as realistic as
> possible. Later on I want to add a human hand, which is going to hold the
> torch.
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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> Thanks.
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> Uma S.Pandey
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Tonight, I will upload a flame (to wuarchive) that I have worked on for
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Clip mapping is Lightwave's beefed up transparency mapping. Since i want to
use lots of trees in a scene, i rendered the Tree against a black background,
used Photoshop to reduce the image b and w, and image mapped the color image,
and clip mapped the b&w image, leaving me with the tree using 1 poly 1

However, when i rendered both the clip mapped tree and the *real* million
poly tree, they rendered about the same speed ! The big savings comes in
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sorry about the toaster post on this list earlier, bob and everyone.
(although since i only use lw, it was somewhat appropriate:-))
1. Speed tests- I rendered the default Texture examples scene with
  2.0 on a GVP 33 030 w/50mhz 882 in 5 mins 32 seconds
  After upgrading to a Zeus 28 040, the same scene under 2.0 ran 5mins 52 secs.
  (due to the slowdown with procedural textures)

  Now, with LW 3.0, i render the same scene in 1 min. 32 seconds !
  Anyone with the 4000 want to render the same scene and post the results?

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2. One of the niftiest features of the new modeler is the boolean operations.
   As you may know, your cutting object must be in a background layer, and
   your object to be cut must be in the foreground. However, you usually want
   to move your cutting object into position, then perform the operation, meaning you need to keep switching foreground/background layers.
  To simplify this, use the " key, which quickly switches between foreground
and background layers. There is no menu button for this command.(its in the manual
tho, for those who never read manuals-the chapter on commands without screen
control are worth looking at:-)

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     deactivate all layers, then select the ones you want ? Shouldn't the
    layer buttons be able to be toggled by clicking on them (on/off) ?

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+-- Scott A. Jones writes:
| I have rendered the carrier with the camara at a 900 angle above the
| carrier so that it incompasses the whole carrier in the pict.  I render
| and save this image then bring it into TP and procede to place lines on
| the flight deck section of the image.  I then cut the image of the carrier
| out of the pict and save it as a brush.  I load this brush into LW as a
| image and then select the carrier.flightdeck.top surface and Planar image
| map this from the surface color texture setting.  Before using texture I
| autosize.
| When this is rendered the image does not line up correctly.
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In order for autosize to work, the image has to exactly fit the bounding
box of the surfaces used in the object.  It sounds like you tried to do this
correctly by cutting out the image as a brush, but ToasterPaint did not do
it right.  ToasterPaint has a bogus idea about what a brush is -- which I
won't go into -- in short, TP will leave some margin, on the right edge
I believe, of width modulo 16 black pixels.  This is probably what messed
you up.  I use ADPro to cut up TP images since this saves correctly sized
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>   I'd start by creating several cones or teardrop objects of varied size

This method (description deleted) works pretty well. I would add a couple
comments. Luminous objects like flames should always have 0% specular AND
diffuse. You don't want a light source in your scene to affect the rendered
brightness of your flames. Minor note, glossiness has no effect on 0% specular
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>  a question-if you have, say, 4 layers selected and active, and you want to
>  deactiviate just one of them, can you do this easily ?

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Hello All,
     I'm having a problem with my Toaster that I think is related with
my Flicker Free Video 2 Deinterlacer board. every so often and now all the
time when I render a scene in lightwave, CG, ToasterPaint, the framebuffer
loses a field of video and all color and won't update or reset without
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occurs under both 2.0 and 3.0 of the software. Has anybody had this
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What other deinterlacer boards are there that will work with the Toaster,
or does everyone suffer with an interlaced screen?
    Any resonses will be greatly appreciated.


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| 2. One of the niftiest features of the new modeler is the boolean operations.

Thank you!

| [...] use the " key, which quickly switches between foreground
| and background layers.

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| There is no menu button for this command.(its in the manual
| tho, for those who never read manuals-the chapter on commands without screen
| control are worth looking at:-)

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|      deactiviate just one of them, can you do this easily ?

If you hold the shift key while clicking the layer button or pressing
its keyboard key, that layer will toggle.


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[e-mail] (Kevin Kodama) writes:
> i heard your shark example,(which WASN'T on the shipped version :-( )
> used displacement mapping to simulate movement-how would you compare using
> this method to using the bones to move an object ?

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But the shark could have been done using either method. With displacement
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have taken much longer, but would have allowed more control over the motion.
Also, keep in mind that you can combine both methods. So you could make the
basic swimming motion with displacement mapping, and then include additional
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Regarding the sync problem when using a monitor other than the 1084
with the Toaster - the dealer here has product information and prices
on the "dongle" from Commodore which allows other monitors to be used.
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> Is what Brent says in the latest AV Video about Lightwave in the Amiga 4000
> being much slower than in 2000 true?

No. However, there are currently accelerators available for the 2000 that
are faster than the native 25MHz 68040 in a 4000. My 35MHz Zeus card is a
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>>  a question-if you have, say, 4 layers selected and active, and you want to
>>  deactiviate just one of them, can you do this easily ?
>
>If I'm not mistaken (someone will correct me if I am :-), layers can be
>toggle selected/deselected individually by using their keyboard equivalent.
>So if layers 1, 3, 4 and 7 are active and you want to deactivate layer 3,
>just hit the key for that layer (3, right?). You may need to hold the shift
>key while you hit it. Can you tell I don't do nearly enough modeling :-)

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I do that often, Mark, and I'm quite sure you have to hold the shift button,
at least to deselect the layer while clicking. Not sure bout shortcuts...
Just a tip: get used to also selecting layers holding shift, so when you
need to deselect it, it will work straight, and avoid worries, mainly when
you need to select/deselect layers many times.

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okay, where are those hundreds of useful Arexx scripts for Modeler ? :-)
after all, the softwares been out for a least a month....
Seriously, I am interested in any useful scripts for use with Modeler, or
if you are not an AREXX person, any suggestions for what kind of scripts
would be useful, so i can badger my brother into writing them for the list.

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    I made quite an investment two weeks ago in modeling
Hewlett-Packard's company logo.  Logo was scanned and highly retouched
by hand to be as true as possible.  The look they wanted required
breaking down every element for individual surface control.

    Would be willing to trade for your best offer.

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Mark, thanks for reply concerning Lightwave & AV Video article. I guess my
question was, "why would Brent say that Lightwave 3.0 in an Amiga 4000 is onl
half as fast as in a 28mhz. 040 Amiga 2000?" Of course only he could answer t
My point is that if Lightwave is that much slower on an Amiga 4000, why
would anyone interested in LIghtwave switch computers?
Mark, are you using an Amiga 4000 yet? Also, is there anyway for us "common
folk" to get a copy of your displacement mapping shark scene files that
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> >     I am looking for other users of the Nucleus Personal Single Frame
> > controller.  I have version 2.51 and not much luck.
> >     It is an all software package that is around $400.00  It
> > controls various editing decks to do single frame animations.  It is
> > designed to support several different display boards/options.

    Nucleus has just started shipping V2.52 of their Single Frame
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> "why would Brent say that Lightwave 3.0 in an Amiga 4000 is only
> half as fast as in a 28mhz. 040 Amiga 2000?"

I've been meaning to talk to Brent anyway. I'll ask him when I do.

> Mark, are you using an Amiga 4000 yet?

Sortof. I have one of those ridiculously pathetic 4000/030s as part of the
AW animation contest. Its a joke of a machine for rendering. I'm battling
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> Also, is there anyway for us "common folk" to get a copy of your displacement
> mapping shark scene files that appeared in the Toaster 4000 demo.

Sure. I have a couple test anims I was going to distribute as well (they should
be playing at the DPS booth at Siggraph). I'll try and get it all out when I
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> okay, where are those hundreds of useful Arexx scripts for Modeler ? :-)
> if you are not an AREXX person, any suggestions for what kind of scripts
> would be useful, so i can badger my brother into writing them for the list.

I need a script that will take all selected points on screen and turn them
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Well I just spoke with NewTek today and asked them if they were going to be
at Siggraph 93 and I found out that they will be there but they are not
having a both or anything, but something interesting will be going on
Wed night. :)  For those of you that are going to Siggraph in a couple of
days NewTek will be having a party on Wed. at 7711 Beach. Blvd. at 6:30pm
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Last night I saw a very good lightwave animation at the VTU group at
HT electonics there.   Allen showed us Tod rundrgrun (sp) new mucis video.
that was pretty neat :) Todd has changed his style of music a bit.
What i was most interested in was Robo Jr.  this anim was about 5 mins. long
and was outstanding.  For those of you that have the 4000 demo tape they show
a short clip from it.  If u guys can get a chance to see it do its amazing.

Well im off to Siggraph .  if any1 would like to meet wed some time to go
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| I need a script that will take all selected points on screen and turn them
| into single point polygons (particle). If I get a chance, I'll write this one,
| but it might be awhile before I sit down and do it.

I wrote this one before release -- specifically for you Mark -- and it
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/* CMD: Points to Particles
 *
 * Converts all points into single-point polygons with the default surface.
 * Creates new particles in an empty layer if there is one.  Currently uses
 * all points in the layer, but could be restricted to selected points by
 * setting selection mode to USER.
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    mxx="LWModelerARexx.port"
    signal on error
    signal on syntax
    mxx_add = addlib(mxx,0)
    call main
    if (mxx_add) then call remlib(mxx)
    exit

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    syntax:
    error:
    t=Notify(1,'!Rexx Script Error','@'ErrorText(rc),'Line 'SIGL)
    if (mxx_add) then call remlib(mxx)
    exit


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syscode = "Particles"
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/* Use xfrm mode to scan through points, storing coordinates to tmp file.
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if (~open(plist, tmpnam, 'W')) then return

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    call close(plist)
    return
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call meter_begin(n, syscode, "Reading Points")
do i=1 to n
    call writeln(plist, xfrm_getpos(i))
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I'm surprised nobody has been mentioning the SeaQuest promos being
show on NBC for the past week or so.

The spots are like 90 seconds long and show quite a bit of CG (of
course done with LightWave) with fairly long takes.

The graphics look quite good and it looks like NBC is committed to
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The promo starts with a family on the beach..a kid gets up and sort
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could be.)  Somehow they transition into the underwater stuff and
it's pretty much a LightWave joy ride from there.  Very well done
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The animation looked very good.  It seemed much more realisticly done
than the Babylon 5 stuff.  Lots of haze and such.  Keep an eye out on
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> Sortof. I have one of those ridiculously pathetic 4000/030s as part of the
> AW animation contest. Its a joke of a machine for rendering. I'm battling
> AW and Commodore to get the damn thing upgraded to an 040.

Congratulations on your new (ahem) 4000. <grin>

I thought I might comment on the 4000/030 special offer being made to
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Yes, the "deal" that is being offered for Toaster owners is certainly
not a very good deal for LightWave users!  Basically the 4000/030 is
a terribly anemic machine for LightWave work.  It comes with only 4
megs of ram as I understand it.

I've got a 4000/040 with 10 megs of RAM at work and to be truthful,
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A fairly simple logo I'm doing for a show requires more than the 10
megs I have to render as I want.  I have shadow mapping on and
antialiasing on and this worked fine.  But, if I wanted to pump up
the shadow map from 512 to anything higher it would barf with a
memory error requestor.  Also, the letters move horizontally across
the screen really close so that you can see the images inside of them
and I wanted to turn on field rendering.  Nope.  Not enough memory
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a shadow onto.  The images inside the letters were small brushes
taking up no more than about 200k a piece.

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its fullest is that you MUST pump your machine up to 18 megs and
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Bob, since you have an Amiga 4000, how about giving us the time it takes
you to render the Textures Example scene file in Medium resolution with
medium antialising. That way we can all compare our own rendering times
with that of the 4000.
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Hey Guys,

What is going on here.  I created a few polygons (one with 10 points
one with 22), but when I switch to polygon and select info it tells
me that the polygon flatness is "degenerate" instead of a percentage..
Also when I render this, the surface comes in black, even if I try to
flip the polygon or render it with double sides..

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NewTek invites you to join us for a very special event

The men behind the Video Toaster, Tim Jenison and Paul Montgomery
will present:

A sneak preview of scenes from Steven Speilberg's new series seaQuest

The world premeire of a new Toaster-created 3D music video by Todd Rundgren

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A surprise from Foundation Imaging the creators of the special effects for byl

The world premiere of 'Robo Jr.' a 3D animated cartoon by Dale K. Myers


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The unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the Video Toaster.

Wednesday, August 4th
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6:30-Midnight.  Drinks and hors d'oeuvres served.
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Movieland Wax Museum
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In an article, lightwave@bobsbox writes:
>Bob, since you have an Amiga 4000, how about giving us the time it takes
>you to render the Textures Example scene file in Medium resolution with
>medium antialising. That way we can all compare our own rendering times
>with that of the 4000.
>Thanks,
>Michael Meshew

Ok..I will do this.  How about shadow generation?  Do you want me to also do
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This will take a couple of days as I have a job rendering over the weekend and
the 4000 is at the studio about 70 miles from my home.  I will probably be
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> The unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the Video Toaster.
>

ANybody wanna take a guess as to what this will be?  Id have to say since all
the major 3d Players will be there that it has something to do with lightwave.

But it may be an edit solution for the toaster..  or maybe it'll be that
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>The unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the Video Toaster.
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>Wednesday, August 4th
>6:30-Midnight.  Drinks and hors d'oeuvres served.
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Last time I attended Siggraph, they had Internet access for the
attendees. Could someone that is attending the New Tek event
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On Sun, 1 Aug 1993, Scott Bethke wrote:

> >
> >
> > The unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the Video Toaster.
> >
>
> ANybody wanna take a guess as to what this will be?  Id have to say since all
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> But it may be an edit solution for the toaster..  or maybe it'll be that
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>
> -Scott
>

It wouldn't help out LightWave users much, but I'm going to guess that it
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Bob, for the "Textures Example" render speed test, no shadow mapping is
necessary. Mine came out at 9 min. & 57 sec. with Lightwave 3.0 on medium
res, medium antialising. Using 33 mhz.040 in 2000.

My guess for the NewTek unveiling is the Lightwave accelerator card.
(Wishful Thinking!)
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+-- Scott A Jones writes:
| What is going on here.  I created a few polygons (one with 10 points
| one with 22), but when I switch to polygon and select info it tells
| me that the polygon flatness is "degenerate" instead of a percentage..

Hi Scott.

A degenerate polygon has the three "surface-defining" points in a
line.  The surface plane for a polygon is determined by the first,
second and last points -- in the order selected for polygon

creation -- so these three points must define a triangle.  If they
lie on a line, there is no surface defined and LightWave will
not render it.  Create the polygons again and make sure the first
point selected is not in a line with the second and last.

The percentage flatness measure just indicates how well any other
points in the polygon fit the plane defined by the cardinal three,
and is more or less a qualitative measure.  Polygons that are not
completely flat may dissapear in rendering, leave cracks or holes
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> On Sun, 1 Aug 1993, Scott Bethke wrote:
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> > -Scott
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> It wouldn't help out LightWave users much, but I'm going to guess that it
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Well I would agree, to some extent, but if it was REAL non-linear then
wouldnt they have to build in some sort of REAL-TIME Animation type
playback?  In that case it would be like a NEWTEK Personal Animation
recorder, Which would be cool.

I mean if they didnt play back anything real-time, they really couldnt
call it non-linear as you have to finialize everything to tape using tape
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Although modeler has added a way to use good ole feet and inches to
measure your stuff, I couldn't find a companion switch on Lightwave
to do the same- am I missing it ?
Also, for both LW and Modeler, how are people building, measuring, etc
without a "relative" coordinate system ? I can only see absolute
readings in the grid display-making creating some things a bit of
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antialiasing and the 'adaptive antialiasing' controls ?
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> Well I would agree, to some extent, but if it was REAL non-linear then
> wouldnt they have to build in some sort of REAL-TIME Animation type
> playback?  In that case it would be like a NEWTEK Personal Animation
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>
> I mean if they didnt play back anything real-time, they really couldnt
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>

Not wanting to get too far off the LightWave path, Scott, I'd say they
could have a non-linear system (JPEG, etc.) even if it did "finalize" to
tape.  After more thought though, the copious amounts of storage that
would be required to save full-motion (true 60 field) video would be
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The more I read about an accelerator for LightWave, the more that makes
sense.  Do think the guys in Topeka need to start addressing the editing
side though.  An audio Toaster seems like a nice start.

We can dream, can't we...

Take care, Scott.

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>occurs under both 2.0 and 3.0 of the software. Has anybody had this
>problem with their setup? Does anyone have an opinion of the FFV2 board?
>What other deinterlacer boards are there that will work with the Toaster,
>or does everyone suffer with an interlaced screen?
>   Any resonses will be greatly appreciated.
>
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>I'm having a problems with something which should be relatively
>simple.  I want to warp/bend an extruded object (say, a continent)
>around a sphere (such as the earth).  I've taken separate objects
>created with PixelPro and tried to bend them around the globe, with
>less than satisfying results.  The first bend, along either the X or
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>with three-dimensional continents.  Surface mapping is not a viable
>option, as I need to manipulate the various land masses, apply different
>images/textures, etc.
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>Can anyone offer advice or techniques for partially wrapping an object
>around a sphere? What am I missing?  All advice, comments and witicisms
>appreciated.
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Ok, flame me away if you wish, but that's easy to do in Imagine, since

version 1.0, if I'm not mistaken, with an option called 'Conform to sphere',
and, believe me, works nicely. If it's just one operation, you can send
me the object and I do that for you, if you wish, but remember the object
will become triangulated. Dunno about any improvement on that on Modeller
3.0... Stuart?
The only suggestion I could give you as to LW bending is to bend using vo-
lume include. I've been succesful bending an object in multiple axis, re-
member you have to perform the bend in the view perpendicular to the view
you're expecting the object to be bent... well, not sure about that, but
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>If I'm not mistaken, the texture interface was changed just shortly after
>version 2.67b to the way it is in the release version. Now there is the
>Surface Color button which bring up the color requestor and a seperate "T"
>button which is for texture handling. If there is a texture assigned, this
>button appears active. This is nice because it give a better visual queue
>that a texture is active (better than the italics did).

    Yes.  Allen left me some email describing the release version
    and it indeed sounds flatter and more indicative.  (Yikes!)  He
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    Allen also prevailed upon NewTekonia to send me my release
    version, which should be here within 2 days.  Sell my
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>However, when i rendered both the clip mapped tree and the *real* million
>poly tree, they rendered about the same speed ! The big savings comes in
>memory, having to load the many poly tree would eat a lot of ram.

    Geez, that doesn't seem right.  OTOH, clip mapping is a form
    of transparency mapping, and transparency mapping really slows
    down the system.

    If there really were 1000K polygons, you're definately saving
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>A question about clip_mapping- why isn't the information saved with the
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> The unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the Video Toaster.

    Might this have something to do with a LightWave Networked Rendering
solution?  Good bet after the fantastic promo's for seaQuest!
    I have heard of Newtek's custom 13 toaster "in house rendering
system."  <Probably old information, though>
    Another thought... maybe "the Networks suck" campaign was not the
right approach.  Here's why:  seaQuest supported by NBC, "American Music
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>Bob, since you have an Amiga 4000, how about giving us the time it takes
>you to render the Textures Example scene file in Medium resolution with
>medium antialising. That way we can all compare our own rendering times
>with that of the 4000.
>Thanks,
>Michael Meshew

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I left the scene exactly as it is on disk.  Antialiasing was at medium with
Adaptive Sampling on with a threshold of 8 (default).  The output was set at
35mm film and medium resolution with overscan turned on.

No reduction of segments, no shadows, no saving to disk.

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This compared to the 9m 45s that was previously stated here using a 2000 with
some 040 board shows that rendering on the 4000 is slower.

Doesn't say much for the 4000/040 does it.

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I am waiting to get the new toaster upgrade <LW 3.0 YES!> And I was
wondering ... from what I have read about the new CG you can
do some compositing of brushes... How does that compare to doing somthing
similar in toaster paint...

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BB> 'Watch out, Boys! Imagine 3 is coming... ;)'

Do you know what any of the new Imagine 3 features are????

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> Ok, I have done the render of the Textures example in LightWave 3.0 with a
> Toaster 4000 and an Amiga 4000/040 with 10 megs of RAM.
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> I left the scene exactly as it is on disk.  Antialiasing was at medium with
> Adaptive Sampling on with a threshold of 8 (default).  The output was set at
> 35mm film and medium resolution with overscan turned on.
    Wait a sec, 35mm film has a different aspect ratio, more like 16X9.
I'll do it in the TV aspect ratio later this week when I get my T4000 040
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    Installed my latest system today.  For those who have yet to see
the version 3.0 Toaster Manual, get ready for a delight.  My first
impressions are -- well quite impressive!
    Lightwave is now the largest section in the <new> folder.
LW Render is composed of over 82 pages.  The Modeler has 74 pages.
Previously (2.0) LW and the Modeler were 75 and 26 pages, respectively.
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    Overall, Lightwave and Modler sections are fantastic guys!
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    Hi all!

    (Especially Mark T.)

    I've been messing around with the underwater texture lately
    and am not getting the kinds of patterns I've seen in
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    (BTW, very nice job, Mark... congrats)

    What I've been getting is basicaly 'rings'.  Like the rings
    in a log.  I have been using the default setting of 3 wave
    sources, expecting to get a parretn more complex than what I've
    been getting.  Higher settings seem to make no difference here.
    What might I be doing wrong?

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    Hi all...

    I need to depict a constant rate of acceleration in
    Lightwave 3.0.

    It seems to me that I'm stuck with generating a motion file that
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    I need.

    I do not relish this task.

    In fact, I'm sure that the effort will prove to be quite
    frustrating, and will likely cause me to slam my face into
    the monitor several times.

    I'm not all that handsome to begin with, so abusing my face
    like that it probably not a good idea.... so perhaps someone
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    Is there an AREXX script out there that I can use to develop
    this type of motion file?  Any key framing techniques that
    might save me some hassle?

    I'm sure others have come across this type of problem before...
    please let me know how you went about solving it.

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    Karl...

    Is this the *new* manual that you are referring to, or
    is this the manual that has been shipping with the first T4000s?

    The Customer Support pepople at NewTek didn't seem to be too
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    The manuals I received were pretty good...  but are full of
    errors and omissions, and references to files that don't exist.
    Many tutorials don't work. (The Saturn one for example)

    If you have a better manual, I'd really love to get one.  Are there
    any printing revision numbers on it that might indicate which
    manual it might be?

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Does anyone know what new hardware NewTek was introducing today in CA?
I heard it was supposed to be shown at SIGGRAPH also.  Is it a rendering
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I have had very few problems with the new Lightwave/Modeler in terms of bugs, except:
I have been having sporadic problems with the surface button in Modeler-trying to
rename or add a surface name has crashed my machine several times. Has anyone else
experienced any problems with this ? I can't pin down exactly what i have been doing,
but something to do with that surface button....:-)
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Can anyone shed some light :-) on why shadow mapping only works for spotlights, and
not the infinite sun light ? It would be great if I did not have to resort to raytracing
to model sunlight and its parallel rays...

Also, can anyone tell me why most rendering programs do NOT support a "florescent" type
of lighting, i.e. a lighting model based on a cylinder ? I know of one PC based renderer
which claims this type of rendering, so it should be possibl

With this type of lighting, I can simulate lots of interior lighting types, without having
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For those of you who cannot get enough image maps, i just received a demo disk from
Imagetects-the Imagecels line of image maps. These guys have been around for a while,
and their images tend towards the architectural, but they seem to have some nice
stuff, all seamless, in various formats. Available on CD-Rom, or mac/pc floppies. I have
only viewed their samples (stucco, parchment paper, two very nice trees, stone, etc.)
on a Mac in photoshop, but i will transfer them over and render them in LW to see
how they look....

Imagecels
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I attended the two hour Amiga graphics/video "SIG" meeting this morning
at the hotel next door to SIGGRAPH, previously announced here by
Mark Thompson (I'm x-posting this article to both the Imagine and
LightWave mailing lists).  It got off to a slow start.. we didn't have
any video facilities in the room 'cuz the Hilton wanted $200 {coff}
to wheel in some equipment. (Hey, it's not like Barron Hilton doesn't
rake in enough cash at his casinos in Vegas).

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everyone introduced themselves) were, Mark, Allen Hastings,
Stu Ferguson, Mark Swain, David Hopkins, Steve Worley, Bradley
Schenck, Mical Todorovic, Rick Rodriguez, John Grieggs, and a host
of other folks, some just-graduated students, some film and tv
professionals, almost all either Imagine users or LightWave
users or both. Rodriguez is beta testing Imagine 3.0 and spent a good
deal of time describing it. Right now, though, he's only testing the
PC version, and his *GUESS* was that the Amiga version MIGHT PERHAPS
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Worley and Hastings gave each other some knowing nods when the question
as to whether LightWave will be changed to accept external algorithmic
textures (can you say "Essence"?). I would be surprised if this does
not come to pass. All agreed that Mr. Worley and his partner Glenn
Lewis (who didn't make the meeting) are certified wizards and then
Steve shamelessly plugged his book a few times. :-) In fact, there
wasn't nearly enough shameless plugging. Brad shamelessly plugged
his Terra Nova Diner Object set and within 2 seconds, sold the only
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There was much speculation as to what NewTek was going to unveil
at their party tonight at the Movieland Wax Museum in Buena Park
(starts in about 2 hours, as I write this). The invite card says:

"A sneak preview of scenes from Spielberg's new NBC series seaQuest,
The world premiere of a new Toaster-created 3D music video from
Todd Rundgren (must be part of his "No World Order" album),
A surprse from Foundation Imaging the creators of the f/x for Babylon 5,
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The world premiere of 'Robo Jr.' a 3D animated cartoon by Dale K. Myers,
plus the unveiling of a significant new hardware addition to the
Video Toaster."

Well, we'll find out what that thinge is in a couple hours and it shall
be posted here.

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[crossposted to the LightWave and Video Toaster mailing lists, and
comp.sys.amiga.graphics]
NewTek held their SIGGRAPH party/product announcement tonite at the
Movieland Wax Museum in Buena Park, CA (about 8 miles from the site
of SIGGRAPH at the Anaheim Convention Center).

Approx. 2000 people attended.  It was jammed.  Partygoers were allowed
to tour the Wax Museum at no charge, scarf down appetizers, guzzle down
all the free drinks they could grab with both hands, and then adjourned
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a large screen projection system was set up.  Your reporter ended up
standing at the back of the crowd, due to bad planning; there were way
more people than there were chairs.

Then, in sequence, Kiki Stockhammer, Wil Wheaton, Paul Montgomery and
Tim Jenison introduced varous video segments, working up from the
usual Toaster promo tapes, through a video made by a skateboarding
guy, to a lovely and cute little 5 minute 3D-rendered animation called
"Robo Jr.", then into two new Todd Rundgren videos composed mainly
in LightWave but with other Toaster effects (the audience was mixed
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on these - some people love Rundgren's stuff and others can't stand
it. I thought his new videos were incredibly impressive and I like
his tunes too... Rundgren was there along with his typical
entourage... well, what can I say. He's an "artiste."). Then a few
promos and a short segment of Spielberg's new seaQuest series were shown.
Finally, Montgomery and Jenison took the stage again (all though the
evenings performances there were constant problems with the wireless
microphones going on and off.. someone in the crowd shouted out
"time you guys made an AUDIO Toaster!"), and introduced the last video
of the night which was very short and quick blast of numbers about
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their new product, The Screamer. They then pulled a sheet off a
prototype Screamer on the stage and the camera zoomed in on it and
filled the large projection screen with its image.  From what I
could see, it's a floor-standing tower box, maybe 3 feet high, a foot
wide, and two feet deep, colored grayish silver and red, and one
side of it comes up from the bottom and twists at the top.  It was
quickly spirited away for press interviews and I couldn't get a picture
of it.. I'm sure the magazines will take care of that lack in short
order. Was anythng IN this prototype box? Who knows.

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That was it.  No questions were taken. The thing was brought on, shown,
and hauled away in less than 2 minutes. Immediately, a new flyer
started to appear on tables all over the crowd, and I've typed in most
of it for you to peruse below.

Disclaimer: I am not employed by NewTek Inc. I own no stock in the company.
I don't even own a Toaster. They do throw a helluva good party though,
but they almost never plan for enough space to accomodate the ever-
increasing crowds that show up for their affairs. This party was
jam-packed and made quite an impression.  If you're part of the
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Begin quoted flyer (any typos or emissions are mine and are purely
due to fatigue :-) :

The introduction of NewTek's Video Toaster Screamer is about to cause
a revolution in the 3D industry.  Now, creating animation can take less
time than you ever imagined possible.  TheScreamer 3D rendering engine
elevates the Video Toaster into one of the fastest 3D tools ever created.
High speed RISC processors drive the Toaster's built-in LightWave
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animation system to deliver twice the 3D rendering power of a Cray I
supercomputer.

The Screamer is a breakthrough 3D rendering engine designed specifically
for NewTek's Emmy-award winning Video Toaster System.  The stunning
computing speed of the Screamer is a result of an innovative hardware
desgn based on multiple RISC processors. Four parallel MIPS R4400 RISC
processors allow the Screamer to deliver over 600 MIPS system performance.
By running each processor at 150 Mhz with both internal and external
caches the Screamer reaches an amazing 340 SPECMarks.
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The Toaster Screamer system comes complete with NTSC video in and out and
takes full advantage of the Toaster's award winning LightWave 3D animation
system.  Already the most popular 3D animation system in the world, the
Video Toaster and LightWave have been credited with bringing 3D visual
effects to weekly television for the first time. With complex 3D effects
sequences in every episode, shows such as Babylon 5 and Steven
Spielverg's seaQuest DSV are setting new standards of excellence.

The Screamer differs from expensive dedicated 3D workstations in the same
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The introduction of the Screamer brings 3D rendering power that was
astronomically expensive to a stunning new price point.  At $9,995
the Toaster Screamer offers significantly more rendering power per
dollar than any other 3D system in the world.  The economics of
3D animation have just changed forever.

Specificatons:

Video Toaster Screamer.  $9995 (available 4th quarter '93)
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Processors: Four parallel MIPS R4400 - 64 bit superpipelined RISC
processors

Clock Speed: 150 MHz

Memory: Internal Cache: 32K on each processor
Secondary Cache: Up to 8 MB
Program Memory: expandable to 1 Gigabyte
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Requires Video Toaster Workstation

(then followed by the usual Toaster specifications which I'm not going
to type in here).

End of Quote

Contact NewTek for more information. This is all I have at this point
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    I also managed to make it out to the Wax museum several hours late,
but that didn't end up being a problem as NewTek was still trying to get
their show together too.
    I liked Robo Jr. and had lukewarm feelings about the music videos.
Crowching on the asphalt didn't brighten my disposition any.
    But finally they got to the end of the show, and told everyone that
they were selling four SGI class processors in a box with software for
ten thousand dollars.
    That is pretty big news to me, though I'm close enough to the
bleeding edge that it doesnt knock my socks off.  But then I write this
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kind of software all the time.
    What they are doing is packaging up four cheap CPU versions of the
MIPS R4400 running Windows NT.  I respect what they're doing, and they're
going to make a decent amount of money at the same time.  They hadn't
decided yet, but the systems may be accessable for other applications
as well (not to use lightwave, but to use the processors).  These four
boxes then talk to the Amiga over ethernet, so they could talk to PCs,
Macs or other workstations.
    If other groups are active enough in porting software, NewTek may
be making some money just selling the boxes to be used as other packages.
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    What I'm comparing the hardware too though is Acer, not SGI or any
of the other high priced hardware companies.  Acer announced a R4000
workstation with screen and memory for $3000, and an R4400 version for
$3500.  Tossing the case, periferals and screen would save you five
hundred, and going wholesale another $900.  So a bare motherboard OEM
probably cost $2,100.  Four of these would be about $8,400, maybe less.
Add a new case, bigger power supply, ethernet, and the software and
the price comes right in around $10,000.  So NewTek is really the hero
for not charging outrageous margins on this box.
    I think everyone should get one of these.  Heck, maybe I should
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    Derek Woolverton
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>The Screamer differs from expensive dedicated 3D workstations in the same
>way that the Video Toaster stands out among traditional video gear.
>The introduction of the Screamer brings 3D rendering power that was
>astronomically expensive to a stunning new price point.  At $9,995
>the Toaster Screamer offers significantly more rendering power per
>dollar than any other 3D system in the world.  The economics of
>3D animation have just changed forever.
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     Damn, damn, damn........................

        I knew it was coming but was thinking somewhere along the lines of
$3000.00 or so (starter version). Outa my range.... <shit!>   Hope it
makes the big boys happy......

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>     Hi all...
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>     I need to depict a constant rate of acceleration in
>     Lightwave 3.0.
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>     It seems to me that I'm stuck with generating a motion file that
>     has a key at every frame that forces the acceleration effect
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If you are talking about generating spline parameters that allow for
constant acceleration between two key frames... I wouldn't relish that
task either.

The easiest thing to do is to write c code or maybe arexx scripts that
create a motion file that has a keyframe at every frame.  This allows you
to specify the objects position yourself without any interpolation from
Lightwave.
I created a billiard animation for which all the motion was created by
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dynamics code, so all I had to do was to strike the cue ball with some
force and the animation then generated itself.  The balls had a constant
acceleration (negative) due to friction on the table (except for when there
was a ball->ball collision or a ball->rail or bail->pocket event).

Lightwave motion files are in an ascii format (Thanks Allen) and are easy
to figure out.  They contain a header, verison number, number of total keyframes
a list of the x, y, z, h, p, b, sizex, sizey, sizez, then the frame and the
spline control numbers.  (This is all from memory).

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version of AutoCAD that the TIO modules support?

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> >At $9,995
> >the Toaster Screamer offers significantly more rendering power per
> >dollar than any other 3D system in the world.  The economics of
> >3D animation have just changed forever.
> >
>
>      Damn, damn, damn........................
>
>         I knew it was coming but was thinking somewhere along the lines of
> $3000.00 or so (starter version). Outa my range.... <shit!>   Hope it
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> makes the big boys happy......

There seems to big a big demand in both areas.  For example, I too would have
liked to see some of the things that were hinted at such as a board with a few
`040s on it running at about $3000 for all of the free-lance artists and
startup companies.  But I also agree there is a need for The Screamer.
Should be interesting to see where things go.

A little more software and some of the "hinted to be coming" hardware and
NewTek will have their own video workstation... for real.
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First, a big thank you to the fellow (appologies, I made a note of your name
and then promptly forgot it) who reported on the NewTek party.  I had planned
to attend, but was just too busy to spend 8 hours on the road last night.
Too add insult to injury, my wife got the mail at about 6:00, and there was
my printed invitation/announcement.  Oh well, I got a lot of needed work done.

What was I doing?  Well, while waiting for ramestores to save (I'm in production
on a touch screen info-center that has to go in in two weeks) I was soldering
and probing with my voltmeter.  What I ended up with was a little box (parts
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frame at at time to rotoscope 1 field framestores from motion video.  It can
also do single frame reccording on my Sony EVO-9700 dual deck Hi8 editor.
Ok, the software is totally rudimentary right now, but after a month of
using it and adding/changing the interface, it will proabably be at a level
of marketability.  So what I am interested in knowing is... Does any one care?
One of the early issues of Video Toaster user had an article about using
the Sony EVO-9700 with the Toaster, and that's my set up here (with my tasty
new Toaster 4000 :-).  I've long been kind of bummed that the 9700 doesn't
allow for an external edit controler, so even though it has time code, and
is +/-0 frames accurate, it couldn't single frame record.  Now it can.
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If there is sufficient interest, I might package and market it, but I'm
not interested in hastling with the FCC or UL to put out this little box.
It might also become an article for VTU or something.  Any one interested
in seeing it go either way, or have any comments or suggestions?

Thanks
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Hello Everyone,

I am looking for a texture map for marble that does not have as
many veins in it as the map that comes with lightwave.  It
should be a medium green with a dark green in it for veins.

Any help would be greatly appreciated..

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On Aug 3, grue (grue) wrote:

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>
> I am waiting to get the new toaster upgrade <LW 3.0 YES!> And I was
> wondering ... from what I have read about the new CG you can
> do some compositing of brushes... How does that compare to doing somthing
> similar in toaster paint...
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> As in working with texture maps... I guess I will have to wait and play
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Shouldnt this be in the Toaster Mailing List instead?

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>         I knew it was coming but was thinking somewhere along the lines of
> $3000.00 or so (starter version). Outa my range.... <shit!>   Hope it
> makes the big boys happy......
>
>                                       A dissappointed "Dretch"
>
>
Yea!  WHats wrong with selling thr basic r4400 box for $3500 and letting
you add processors as you need them.  heck I think Id do better with
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|>         I knew it was coming but was thinking somewhere along the lines of
|> $3000.00 or so (starter version). Outa my range.... <shit!>   Hope it
|> makes the big boys happy......
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|>                                       A dissappointed "Dretch"
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>Yea!  WHats wrong with selling thr basic r4400 box for $3500 and letting
>you add processors as you need them.  heck I think Id do better with
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>-Scott

why is it every time someone releases a 'good thing' (tm) piles of people
complain as to what it isn't? If you think you can do better, then by all means
PLEASE do so... This is a first, and the first is always higher priced. If
you're not able to get the Screamer, then perhaps all you need is a better
Processor... I hear the 4000 is going to finally see some 3rd party accelerators
soon. (GVP being the first from all reports)

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Seriously though, this will SAVE me money in the long run. And i'd do anything
to do that.

Cheers all!

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Great news about this Screamer!!! AHHHHHHH! <-- that's the only scream
I'll can have anyway ;))))
Wouldn't Newtek be kind enough to release a slightly less powered and
obviously cheaper screamer? Maybe a LoudSpeaker? :)

I DON'T NEED 600 MIPS!!!

Don't you think the gap between about 20 MIPS of a normal 040 and
600 MIPS of this unpolit.. I mean, Screamer, is too big???

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Just a poor man's thought, anyway! ;)

Breno.

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>BB> 'Watch out, Boys! Imagine 3 is coming... ;)'
>
>Do you know what any of the new Imagine 3 features are????
>
>Steve

Hmmm... it's quite of a secret there at Impulse about all the features,
but the ones they seem to be more proud are a new algorithm textures
format, and what they claim to be the best implementation of bones and

particles ever done. It's not that hard to believe, since Impulse's
one of the companies most commited to their software I've ever known.
Believe me or not, Imagine in it's 2.0 version has advantages even over
LWPro. Where's the LW's Forms and cycle editor? It helps A LOT for
high end uses, and to some extent even to low end ones. Where Lightwave
smashes Imagine is in the layout, and that makes all the difference.
If they can make the scene editor more practical, enabling us to move
elements in the perspective/camera views, and making the refreshing of
the screen faster (maybe grouping parallel/edge connecting polys in just
one viewable polygon, even if it's still all triangles - it's beautier
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degenerate polys), I'm quite sure Lightwave will be in serious trouble,
since it's lacking in almost all the other areas when compared to Imagine.

Just my oppinion!

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Is this thing supposed to be a computer by itself or does it require
an Amiga with it (with a Toaster)??  It seems like it's a computer by itself
and an operaing system of its own that can run other programs.... like other
3D rendering packages by themselves...

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I'm having a bit of trouble finding the right settings for a couple
of surfaces.
1) One is GOLD. The LW gold is rather dull.  I've tried
various combinations of maps and settings, yet a believable gold
surface eludes me.  Any suggestions?  Friends, Amigans,
countrymen...send me your settings.

2) I'm also having trouble with
glass.  As in plate glass.  I want clear glass with a hint of green.
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but they're not what I'm looking for either.  I have been playing
with reflections, mapping, and lights but haven't quite found the
right combination.

3) Neon Letters are turning out to be a headache as well. My
preference would be to create a long tube and shape it into the
letters, apply a map to vary the intensity and to shut off (ie. cover
the tube at the appropriate bends).  However, using modelor to do
this would take me many months (notice I said "me", a more
experienced modeler might think it a cinch).  All the fonts I try
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look like fonts.  The closest I've come is to size the font to have 0
depth, turn outline on, luminous on, and vary transparency with a
map. Friends, this does not look like real neon.  A sound effect will
definately let you believe it's a computer rendition of neon, but
that's not good enough.

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 I get and post to the internet under amiga graphics and back to this
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> Great news about this Screamer!!! AHHHHHHH! <-- that's the only scream
> I'll can have anyway ;))))
> Wouldn't Newtek be kind enough to release a slightly less powered and
> obviously cheaper screamer? Maybe a LoudSpeaker? :)
>
> I DON'T NEED 600 MIPS!!!

There seems to be a perception gab between the hobbiest market and the
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When you REALLY get both feet into commercial production... there could never
be a render that took to long.  Hell, in many cases a realtime render is not
fast enough for some of the clients you'll run into. :)

<Is it shipping yet???>

The Screamer is WAY overdue IMHO.  12 hour renders of a quickrender-medium-res
-no anything-animation are long past their prime.  It's about time
we cut that down to 24 minutes or less moving from a 28Mhz '040 to
The Screamer.  Gosh I'm getting a woody just thinking about it.
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<Is it shipping yet???>

> Don't you think the gap between about 20 MIPS of a normal 040 and
> 600 MIPS of this unpolit.. I mean, Screamer, is too big???

There is a significant gap... but please don't talk NewTek into doing anything
about it.  We need renderfarm software for multiple Screamers!!! (I'm sure
that is either already there or on the way).  Let's get my 12 hour render
down to 1minute!!! :)
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<Is it shipping yet???>

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Sadly, I was unable to go to the Newtek party -- my film show ticket was for
the same evening. But I DID go to the ILM party at the Nixon library
later on, and they were using the toaster to run video for the whole place...
I guess they like it!
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 went to the party NewTek had.  I must say it was a blast.
I got to see the screamer in action.  Unfortnutally they only had
3 of the 4 processors running. but oh well. :) from whta i say they were
rendering about 5 scenes.  scenes taking about 4 hrs to renders on a 040
machine.  ONe scene was of a listernine bottol battle.  from what i remember :)
(after a few beers) the scene took about 4 hrs at regular speed (040) and
with the SCREAMER it took approx 200 seconds. :) WOW please keep in mind that
this was with 3 of the 4 processors and they ones there were runnning
were at 100 mhz.  From what one of the hardware techs he said it was running at about 300 mips at that moment.  I wished one of there processors didnt
get damaged, but it was amazing.  Im sure with the 150mhz R4400 it will reach over 600 mips.  Remember u can has as many screamers as u want.u can have 4 scramer boxes with 16 R4400 running at around 2400 mips. :) The screamer is a external box just with
processors.  It is ONLY a rendering engine.  YOu still need the

toaster,amiga etc.  if you guys have any more questiosn i would be happy to
answer them.  I talked to the tech guy for a long time shooting him wiht questions.

I will do my best to answer them.

Disclaimer:  I am not affliated in any shape or form with NewTek.  This is
just first hand info after seeing the product.


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If Newtek is compiling LW to run on the R4400, does this mean
a version for the Indigo would also be in the works :-)
Is the Indy the next platform for toaster in general, given
Commodores' hazy future?
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Hey EveryBody!

    Has anybody besides me had trouble trying to use ASDG's
    product "SENTRY" (ships w/ADPro 2.3) in conjunction with
    LightWave?

    This code supposedly waits for frame to be generated, then
    calls an arexx script to be executed on that frame.  It is
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    This would be a very good thing for me, except that ADPro
    seems to crash LightWave and, indeed, the entire system.

    Input?

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Allen H tunes into this all the time, he's seen these.
Thought I'd get some feedback on these suggestions from LW users:

    CLICK ON OBJECT TO ACTIVATE:
    1)  As particle systems become more common, not to mention
such ambitious animations as Ron Thornton has already committed, it's
gonna be harder and harder to find a specific object in the object
list.
        What would be more intuitive is if we could simply CLICK
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    USER ENVELOPES
    2) The spline functions used in LW envelopes are certainly
beyond my mathematical ability to duplicate in AREXX.  I'd like to
see "user envelopes", preferably an unlimited number, that could be
used by animators to alter a scene's parameters on the fly.  AREXX
psuedo-code would be something like:

    (get the frame #)
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       This would allow an AREXX program to alter ALL parameters
using the wonderful world of splines during the execution of a scene.


    FRAME-WISE MOVEMENT OF KEYS IN MOTION REQUESTERS
    3) Currently you can only drag keyframes on their value axis
in the keyframe charts.  It would be useful if, by holding down the
SHIFT key, you could also drag the keyframe +/- frames.  Some serious
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mouse movement scaling would probably be necessary to prevent users
from shooting keyframes all over the place

    Relatedly (?), since it seems difficult to moi to accurately
move even along the value axis, it would be helpful if holding down
the ALT key scaled the mousemovement down by a factor of 10.

(I LOOOOVVVVVEE interface debates!)

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well, i have made a bunch of trees using clip mapping-they look great !
i created the clip map in Photoshop (the second best software with
a dongle (i.e. a Mac :-)) using their very easy to use alpha channels.

The best way to save these clip map objects is to save them as a
scene file. then, when you need it in another scene, just choose load
object from scene, and your pre-aligned, ready to go clip
mapped object will be ready to go.

Another neat thing about clip mapping-they show up in the "quick
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shade" camera setting ! makes it easy to place them properly.

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Hey Bill,
 I used to have a 9700 and still have a V5000.  Your little box sounds very
cool.  I don't have any advice about the joys of manufacturing and marketing,
but one way or another, as a product or a project, I hope you do get your idea
out there.

Best,
 -Jamie

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I'm trying to write a Modeler AREXX macro that would create
"stand-in" objects--i.e. simplified objects to use in Layout
to get better preview performance.

My first approach has been to try to use the boolean operators
to remove small chunks  of the original object.  However, due
to the speed of the boolean operators, this is not practical.

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- Brian

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|    FRAME-WISE MOVEMENT OF KEYS IN MOTION REQUESTERS
|     3) Currently you can only drag keyframes on their value axis
| in the keyframe charts.  It would be useful if, by holding down the
| SHIFT key, you could also drag the keyframe +/- frames.  [...]

As many will no doubt point out, you can move keys in time by holding
down the right mouse button.  If you click down with both buttons, the
key will move in time and value.  This is somewhat tricky, of course,
since the key will be moved in time for all channels of the motion.

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On Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:36:58 -0400 you said:
>I'm having a problems with something which should be relatively
>simple.  I want to warp/bend an extruded object (say, a continent)
>around a sphere (such as the earth).  I've taken separate objects
>created with PixelPro and tried to bend them around the globe, with
>less than satisfying results.  The first bend, along either the X or
>Z axis appears to work. However, when I attempt the second bend along
>the other axis, it fails to work!

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a tube, and the second bend will bend the tube like an elbow.  What you
want to do is taper the tube at both ends to close it around the sphere.
If you apply a taper to each end with an ease, you can get a reasonable
approximation to a sphere, as long as your continent map does not get
too close to the poles.

For a correct solution that handles the poles, you'll need to resort to
ARexx.  A transformation of this type is fairly easy to write since you
can start with one of the existing scripts, like Spherize (although this
sounds promising, it will not do quite what you need).  There are even
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the phi,theta on a sphere.  Write it yourself, or get a friend to write
it, and then post it and we can all do it!

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+-- Mike Powell writes:
| I've been messing around with the underwater texture lately
| and am not getting the kinds of patterns I've seen in
| animations like those starring Fred Floaty  :-)
|
| What I've been getting is basicaly 'rings'.  Like the rings
| in a log.  I have been using the default setting of 3 wave
| sources, expecting to get a parretn more complex than what I've
| been getting.  Higher settings seem to make no difference here.
| What might I be doing wrong?
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Probably your texture size is too small.  The textures that use wave
sources -- underwater and ripples -- are somewhat odd in how they
define texture size.  It defines a box around which the wave sources
will be distributed, so if the box is too small to encompass your
whole object, the waves will all radiate from a central point and
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VG> I got to see the screamer in action.  Unfortnutally they only had
VG> 3 of the 4 processors running. but oh well. :) from whta i say they were
VG> rendering about 5 scenes.  scenes taking about 4 hrs to renders on a 040
VG> machine.  ONe scene was of a listernine bottol battle.  from what i
VG> remember :)
VG> (after a few beers) the scene took about 4 hrs at regular speed (040) and
VG> with the SCREAMER it took approx 200 seconds. :) WOW please keep in mind
I think you drank a few too many beers before you timed it :).  According to
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render at 40 times the 4000.  Now your times have a machine rendering 75 times
at 1/2 power.  If it rendered in 200 seconds, then an 040 25mhz would do it in
a little more then an hour comparing it to the cutdown 300 MIPS prototype you
saw.
VG> get damaged, but it was amazing.  Im sure with the 150mhz R4400 it will
VG> reach over 600 mips.  Remember u can has as many screamers as u want.u can
VG> have 4 scramer boxes with 16 R4400 running at around 2400 mips. :) The
VG> screamer is a external box just with processors.  It is ONLY a rendering
It won't do more then 600 MIPS, 150Mhz R4400 do 150 MIPS, 4 of them do 600
MIPS.  As for adding as many screamers as you want, how do they connect to the
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$10K for 600 MIPS is a pretty decent price.

                    -- David "I want one.  Now." Schachter
                       (And while I'm on the subject, a
                       house, a car, and a life would be
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> Video Toaster Screamer.  $9995 (available 4th quarter '93)
> An external rendering engine for the Video Toaster
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I was wondering if I could get some feedback from all of you
Lightwave animators out there.

I have been using a Toaster since it came out, (was a beta test site
back a few years ago).  Anyways, I was in the world of production for
4 years and had to get out of it to get a job that paid real money
:).

However, I still have the itch and got an A4000 and ordered the T4000
board.  My brother has a 2000 with the 4000 board and he wants me to
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get back into doing graphics with him.

I will be using the system only for producing animations.


The question that I have, is that I hate to trash my MII decks with a
frame transport and was wondering if anyone out there is using either
the DPS card that writes frames to a hard drive or else is using a
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I have also considered using the new IOMEGA Floptical drive that puts
21MB on a 3.5" disk.  I could render 1 sec of animation per disk and
IOMEGA is promising a 40MB version later on in the year.


Before I purchase the system, I want to check on all avenues.  Of
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Of course we are waiting for the SCREAMER
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>> I need a script that will take all selected points on screen and turn them
>> into single point polygons (particle).
> I wrote this one before release -- specifically for you Mark

Thanks a bunch Stuart. For those wondering why I asked for this, it makes
creation of various particle effects and objects much simpler. A simple
example is a sphere of particles. Create a sphere as you normally would
and then hit "k" to kill all the polygons (all the points will remain).
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a Bones scene fragment, complete with a means for hierarchy specification?
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> Hey EveryBody!
>
>     Has anybody besides me had trouble trying to use ASDG's
>     product "SENTRY" (ships w/ADPro 2.3) in conjunction with
>     LightWave?

I myself have not used this prog, but from my understanding of it, ti
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>     This code supposedly waits for frame to be generated, then
>     calls an arexx script to be executed on that frame.  It is
>     similar in intent to ADAM, and also reminiscent of FRED.

I am not sure if the prog will wait until the frame is generated,
I believe it tries to preform its task when the file first appears
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>     This would be a very good thing for me, except that ADPro
>     seems to crash LightWave and, indeed, the entire system.
>
>     Input?
>
I have 2meg of Chip and 8 Meg of ast on my system and I really have
a hard time getting ADPro to load up while LW is open, (the only hard
part being a lack of mem)  But with ADPro's render to VT_display, it
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> I have been having sporadic problems with the surface button in Modeler
> trying to rename or add a surface name has crashed my machine several times.

I got this one just a week ago before I left for Siggraph. As you mentioned,
it occured during a surface add/rename operation and I haven't pegged down
the actual circumstances that it happens under yet. This is the only crash
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>     I've been messing around with the underwater texture lately
>     and am not getting the kinds of patterns I've seen in
>     animations like those starring Fred Floaty  :-)
>     (BTW, very nice job, Mark... congrats)
>     What I've been getting is basicaly 'rings'.

Thanks Mike. I think Stuart pretty much nailed your problem with texture size.
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> If Newtek is compiling LW to run on the R4400, does this mean
> a version for the Indigo would also be in the works :-)
> Is the Indy the next platform for toaster in general, given
> Commodores' hazy future?

This is definitely not out of line.

With the Lightwave render engine running on the MIPS processor family,
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    Have any others had problems with ANIM previews created from LW?
I did for awhile, but all seems to work again.  I wonder if it was
the screen saver and mouse blanker that I turned off.  Ideas, please?
Question:
Is there a problem with the stars on the USFlag in the Objects/Misc
drawer?

    I created the waving flag tutorial, as suggested in Displacement
Mapping.  Seems that if I select and <c>ut out the stars (Polygons),
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I tried this several times.  The quickie (not really) answer was to just
connect each point back together and <p> create them as polygons again.

    The reason I wanted to get the stars out of the flag, is so
that I could make Triple and Subdivide work a little smoother.  The
flag was subdivided over 5 times.  The stars only needed subdividing
once.  I then (v) pasted the (fixed) stars back into place.

    After the effort, I must say my eyes opened up when I saw
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> why shadow mapping only works for spotlights, and not the infinite sun light?
> It would be great if I did not have to resort to raytracing
> to model sunlight and its parallel rays...

Shadow maps are essentially a Z-buffer rendered from the light's perspective.
Only spotlights are supported because they are the only lightsource with a
bounded view. Both point lights and infinite lights would require an infinitely
large shadow map which is obviously not a good thing :-)

> Also, can anyone tell me why most rendering programs do NOT support a
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> With this type of lighting, I can simulate lots of interior lighting types,
> without having to resort to placing hundreds of little point lights.

Since most rendering algorithms calculate lighting based upon a point to
point relationship between the light source and the surface, it is impractical
to have area rather than point lights. Some programs that support area lights
effectively do what you are trying to avoid, calculate many points over an
area. The calculation intensive radiosity methods handle this problem more
easily since every surface in a scene is considered a light emitter.
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>Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
>From: [e-mail] (Rich Koster)
>To: rex!cup.portal.com!Jeric
>Subject: Re: Creating Standin objects

>Check out the ARexx commands provided with LightWave 3.0 -- I believe there
>already is one provided that makes a smaller size "stand-in" for your big
>3D object (big in memory size, not in physical size).

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    The only canned AREXX script I've found that does anything
    like this is "BBox", which simply generates bounding boxes.

    Possibly "Prick", which creates a bunch of one-point polygons
    that coincide w/the surface of an object could be forced into service.

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    Another possible approach is to pick every "n'th" polygon. This
    has the added bonus of the user being able to specify a particular
    fraction of the size of the source object to use.

    My original though was to project boxes through the object and use
    only those boxes which intersect, but that created too many polygons.

    Ahhh, just thought of this:
        create ONE box of 1/nth (user definable) fraction of source object
            length & highth
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        create bounding box for the intersections, copy to accumulator
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    Maybe that will work.

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> I'm trying to write a Modeler AREXX macro that would create
> "stand-in" objects--i.e. simplified objects to use in Layout
> to get better preview performance.

I actually used Pixel Pro for this function. Just load it in and polygon
reduce the hell out of it. I turned a 150K poly creature into a 6K poly
blob that represents the final object fairly accurately. Certain portions
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 Hi,

 Thought I'd drop an introduction in.
 My names Ed Doyle and I recentley purchased a used Toaster 2.0 board and
 software for my Amiga 2000/40Mhz 030 with 9 meg. Ecs chipset and 400+ meg
 on assorted harddrives.

 I've pretty much been into doing computer graphics as a hobby ever since my
 old C64 days.
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together my "studio".
 Has anybody used the new AmiStore software?
 The people from Moonlighter claim that it accesses you tape drive like any
 other storage device, however I believe that your tape drive would need to
 be a random access device and mine's sequential.
 Also was wondering what advantage it would have over just using ami-back?

 Well that's it for now. I'll save my questions till after I've completely
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  Hello again,

    I'm trying to understand how to utilize the wave texture on under
  water objects.
    I've tried placing the wave surface on a plane above my object
  and use 40% transparency on it.
        I then placed a light above the plane hoping it would cast a shadow
  of the surface on to my object. The light is in indirect mode.
        Unfortunately it had know effect on the scene whats so ever.


        I've got a feeling I'm going about it the wrong way...

        Does anyone have an example of a scene underwater?

    Also, what other publications deal exclusively with the toaster?
    There use to be one called "bread box" and another called "Toaster User".
    However, I can't find the articles/advertisements that had the information
    for subscribeing.
    Anyone have the information on these?
    Any reviews/thoughts on these publications?
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       What about tutorial tapes? Any reviews on these? There seems to be
    at least three different Authors of tutorial Tapes and I can't afford to
    buy em all :').

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On Aug 6, Kevin (Kevin Kodama) wrote:

> If Newtek is compiling LW to run on the R4400, does this mean
> a version for the Indigo would also be in the works :-)
> Is the Indy the next platform for toaster in general, given
> Commodores' hazy future?
> kevin
> [e-mail]
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I purchased ImageFX recently and have been getting a lot of crashes.  Is
this a known condition for this program, or is it something special about
my setup?  It seems to crash often when I first try to load an image,
with a divide by zero of all things (guru 5).  I also got a divide by
zero partway through an operation at one point, and I have had the file
requester lock up on me quite a few times.  Any other ImageFX owners want
to comment on its stability?

Other than these problems, and the tendency to be a little cryptic, the
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the manual were a little more complete, however.  In particular, there
seems to be no way to drop a brush once one has been acquired.  If the
program were a little more solid and less mysterious it would be great.
Before I tried this program, my machine had not crashed for the last
month of heavy LightWave and Modeler work.  Sigh.

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JERIC replies to Dr. Jones ([e-mail])>>
>>       This code supposedly waits for frame to be generated, then
>>       calls an arexx script to be executed on that frame.  It is
>>       similar in intent to ADAM, and also reminiscent of FRED.
>
>I am not sure if the prog will wait until the frame is generated,
>I believe it tries to preform its task when the file first appears
>in which case lightwave has not completed the file yet..
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    In this case, FRED should fail, as the file would be marked
"in use".

>>       This would be a very good thing for me, except that ADPro
>>       seems to crash LightWave and, indeed, the entire system.
>>
>>       Input?
>>
>I have 2meg of Chip and 8 Meg of fast on my system and I really have
>a hard time getting ADPro to load up while LW is open, (the only hard
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>is quite nice to have just the switcher running while using ADPro,
>makes for a nice 24bit display. :)

>How much mem do you have available?
>Scott A Jones

    I have 2 megs of CHIP, 32 Megs 32bit, and 6 megs Fast.  That
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    ADPro has crashed my machine when LWave was rendering an
unrelated file, or vice-versa.  It'd be nice if ASDG has some input
 on this, but I'm not sure they attend to this forum.

    Now that LWave has an AREXX port, perhaps we can stagger the
rendering and the massaging such that LW and ADPro aren't so
contentious.

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body's input.
***********************

    We need a new acronym, like IEPWLWM,TJTIBTILEM.  Which of
course stands for:

"I'm Ecstactically Pleased With LightWave Modeler, There's Just This
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    1) It kinda bugs me that the NEW function resets the display
       options.  Usually I just use NEW as a shortcut to clearing
         out all the layers.  Why have it change the viewpoint and
       kill the preview mode?

    2) Is there a one-button way (OBW) to invert the selection of
       points and polygons, i.e., selecting the unselected ones
       and unselecting the selected one?  (Analogous to "'" for
       layers.)

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    If there is, it brings up my next question;

    3) Will NewTek be supplying users w/an index to the manual? If
       there is one somewhere, can it be distributed on the nets?

    4) I note some changes in the DRILL requester.  I haven't had
       time to use it yet, but does the manual explanation of
       "emboss" correctly describe the shipped "stencil" function?


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    5) One of my dearest dreams (I'm workin' on it!) is an AREXX
       function that creates a useful stand-in object.  Allen tells
       me this is quite a task, which surprises me.  I was thinking
       it was just a question of doing volume sampling: "if there's
       something within this volume, put a cube there in the
       stand-in, if there isn't anything there, don't."  The user
       would specify the fraction of length, width, and depth s/he
       wished to sample.

       Allen's comment has me in a dither.  Is this approach too
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   Of course, the beauty thing is, with AREXX we can add almost any
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As someone with an extensive graphics hardware background and having a
pretty close relationship with NewTek, I thought I would through in
my 2 cents on the Screamer release.

The rumor that the Screamer announcement was motivated by a Real3D render
engine in the works is actually pretty unlikely. The bottom line is, LW3
has made the Toaster a viable contender for high-end animation jobs but
the slow 040 was impeding its acceptance in Hollywood. SeaQuest already
has over 80 machines at their facility to keep pace with the production
schedules. Having the fastest software around doesn't help if the platform

itself is slow (by high-end production standards). It was therefore necessary
to dramatically accelerate the platform that LW ran on. With LightWave
being considered for motion picture use, a speedup of well in excess of 10x
was needed. I am so very happy that NewTek did not hold back on performance
in the interest of low cost.

Speaking of cost, this is perhaps the most amazing part of the announcement.
I know many will complain that they can't afford it but frankly, if $10k
is too much for you, you don't *really* need acceleration. Besides, it is
likely that a single processor version could be sold for substantially less.
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for RAM, support parts, and PC board, multiply by 4 and add ethernet, case,
power, and OS; whats left from $10k is a pretty slim margin. If its true
that the 4400 boards are OEM'd, that margin becomes practically non-existant.
All I know is, if they stick to that price for the 4 cpu config, I will
be VERY happy. Lets see, the 4 R4400 SGI box without graphics goes for
$110K.... guess I'll have figure out what I'm going to do with the left over
$100K ;-)

As for Screamer performance, NewTek said they were currently getting around
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They rendered one scene that was all tracing which according to its creator
took over 2 hours on a fast 040 system. The Screamer with only 3 processors
running at 67% of full clock speed took 133 seconds. NewTek speculated that
the shipping product would be about 40x faster than 68040 solutions but
from what I know of the 68040 and R4400, I would not be shocked by speeds
upto 80x at all. By the way, the over 2hr figure may be hearsay, but
the 133 seconds was not. I watched it happen up in NewTek's suite and it
was quite impressive.

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It should also be noted that the Screamer, as presented at the show, was
more of a technology preview than a representation of the final product.
It is likely that there will be many changes before it ships. For example,
the ethernet interface that was shown could possibly be replaced with
something much faster as it is obviously a bandwidth bottleneck for screen
updates. Also, the Screamer is currently a render accelerator only. Its
final incarnation could also include all of LW and Modeler. Time will
tell. Facilities like seaQuest will likely get something very similar
to what was shown at Siggraph in the near term, but the final shipping
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Having been challenged by Imagine's "Conform to Sphere" operation, I
sat down and wrote an ARexx script for Modeler 3.0 that does a
similar function.  I only spent a few minutes on it, so it does not
have a lot of bells and whistles, but it does do essentially the
desired transformation.  Hope this helps the fellow who wanted to
do this ...

    Stuart Ferguson
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 * Wrap Data onto Sphere -- Modeler ARexx transform.
 *
 * 8/93  Stuart Ferguson
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    mxx="LWModelerARexx.port"
    signal on error
    signal on syntax
    check = addlib("rexxmathlib.library",0,-30,0)
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    mxx_add = addlib(mxx,0)
    call main
    if (mxx_add) then call remlib(mxx)
    exit

    syntax:
    error:
    t=Notify(1,'!Rexx Script Error','@'ErrorText(rc),'Line 'SIGL)
    if (mxx_add) then call remlib(mxx)
    exit
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main:

syscode = "Wrap Sphere"


/* Get size and thickness of sphere from user.
 */
call req_begin syscode
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id_inr = req_addcontrol("Inner Radius", 'n', 1)
id_otr = req_addcontrol("Outer Radius", 'n', 1)
id_sel = req_addcontrol("Points", 'c', 'All Selected')
call req_setval id_inr, 1.0, 1.0
call req_setval id_otr, 2.0, 2.0
call req_setval id_sel, 2

if (~req_post()) then return

r1 = req_getval(id_inr)
r2 = req_getval(id_otr)
call sel_mode word('global user',req_getval(id_sel))

call req_end


/* Get extent of data area.  This will just take the extent in
 * X and Y and map it to lat and long on the sphere, and the
 * extent in Z and map it to r1 and r2.
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 */
parse value boundingbox() with n x1 x2 y1 y2 z1 z2 .
dx = x2 - x1
dy = y2 - y1
dz = z2 - z1
if (n <= 0 | dx <= 0 | dy <= 0) then return
d2r = 3.1415926 / 180

/* Transform loop
 */
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n = xfrm_begin()
call meter_begin n, syscode
do i = 1 to n
    parse value xfrm_getpos(i) with x y z .

    lat = d2r * ((y - y1) / dy * 180 - 90)
    lon = d2r * ((x - x1) / dx * 360)
    if (dz <= 0) then rad = r1
                 else rad = (z - z1) / dz * (r2 - r1) + r1

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    y = rad * sin(lat)
    p = rad * cos(lat)
    x = p * sin(lon)
    z = p * cos(lon)

    call xfrm_setpos i, x y z
    call meter_step
end
call meter_end
call xfrm_end
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Okay, just a couple of questions (Lame 2.0 questions at that! 3.0 soon!)...

Is there _ANY_ way to morph an image wrap's size over the course of an anim?

Situation is, I have a funnel that I have mapped with an ADPro 'Twirled'
image. Through experimentation, I found that if I could start the image out
large and shrink it to fit the object, the image would appear to swirl into
it, making it a nifty lawnmower-man-esque vortex. The only way I have found
so far to accomplish this is to parent everything (lights, camera, etc.) to a
NullObject and scale it _up_ to match the brushmap. This is a royal pain if
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use EssII's Cyclone? :)

Another one is that for the life of me I cannot get nice plasma/neon/fuzzy
objects. I have been through the gambit of a bazillion settings and I only
got it to work once (I think it was a fluke)...I even tried applying those
same settings to other objects and they won't come out!! What am I missing
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Sorry for the questions, I've only been in LW for about 3 months now, with the
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Mark Thompson writes:
Shadow maps are essentially a Z-buffer rendered from the light's perspective.
Only spotlights are supported because they are the only lightsource with a
bounded view. Both point lights and infinite lights would require an infinitely
large shadow map which is obviously not a good thing :-)

Oa  Okay, how about a spotlight that casts parap woops parallel rays ? that
way it could both be bounded, and it would serve as sunlight in a pinch :-)

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 Also, what other publications deal exclusively with the toaster?
    There use to be one called "bread box" and another called "Toaster User".
    However, I can't find the articles/advertisements that had the information
    for subscribeing.

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>>     This code supposedly waits for frame to be generated, then
>>     calls an arexx script to be executed on that frame.  It is
>>     similar in intent to ADAM, and also reminiscent of FRED.
>
>I am not sure if the prog will wait until the frame is generated,
>I believe it tries to preform its task when the file first appears
>in which case lightwave has not completed the file yet..
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     It's been my experience that Sentry does wait until the frame is
completely generated. Make sure you have "$SENTRYFRAME $SENTRYFULLPATH"
<no quotes> in the arguments. I use the program daily to jpeg frames as
they are generated (lot's-o-ram, little hard drive ;-). I'm afraid I can't
help with the lightwave problem except to say that I've experienced random
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>I purchased ImageFX recently and have been getting a lot of
>crashes.  Is this a known condition for this program, or is it
>something special about my setup?

Stuart, I'm the designer and cocreator of ImageFX.  I'd like to help find
out what's causing your crashes.  You should have either 1.03 of ImageFX
or the newly released 1.5.  Neither version has had any of the bugs you
report, 1.3 had a few that we've squashed in 1.5 though.  So far (after
about 3 weeks of release) 1.5 has only had a couple of reported bugs in
fairly esoteric areas.

Of course, we know more will be found!  And we'll fix 'em!

Email me, your system specifications, hardware/software running, and I'll
also need a specific list of bugs/guru numbers.  We'll fix, chop-chop!

>In particular, there
>seems to be no way to drop a brush once one has been acquired.

Just pick another build in pen or hit a period.  Just like Dpaint.  In fact,
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> It is likely that there will be many changes before it ships. For example,
> the ethernet interface that was shown could possibly be replaced with
> something much faster as it is obviously a bandwidth bottleneck for screen
> updates. Also, the Screamer is currently a render accelerator only. Its
> final incarnation could also include all of LW and Modeler. Time will
> tell. Facilities like seaQuest will likely get something very similar
> to what was shown at Siggraph in the near term, but the final shipping
> version could look quite different (better ofcourse :-)

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is ready for beta testing.  As far as including LW/Modeler does the
Screamer have any HD storage?

When they said up to 1GB did you find out how much will ship with it?
And what is the ram used for program code or texture/scene storage?  I know
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what the base system includes, will you need more ram to take advantage
of all the speed?  I assume we might see a video demo in our mailboxes
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16MB SIMMs at $600/ea. which it takes 62 of them to equal 1GB.

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hi-
im putting togreather a a/b roll hi-8 toaster 4000 system
has anyone used the evo9650
how well does it work with LW? how about with other amiga
animation programs, even dpaint?
also do i need the y/c plus board
for hi-8 work?
o i have a million other questions, but i guess thats a start
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>  Has anybody used the new AmiStore software?
>  The people from Moonlighter claim that it accesses you tape drive like any
>  other storage device, however I believe that your tape drive would need to
>  be a random access device and mine's sequential.

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This is to thank Breno Silva and Stuart Ferguson for their help regarding
my question on wrapping an object (not a texture) around a sphere.  Breno
casually pointed out (at grave risk of flame, I might add) that Imagine
supported Conform To Sphere.  Stuart offered advice on using the taper
function to roughly meet my needs, but suggested a script for greater
accuracy.  Not to be outdone by Imagine, Stuart then wrote the basic script
himself and posted it.  If I can improve upon it, I'll repost it.

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> Hi Stuart, I'm sending this on the list in the interest of getting every-
> body's input.
> ***********************
>
>     We need a new acronym, like IEPWLWM,TJTIBTILEM.  Which of
> course stands for:
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> "I'm Ecstactically Pleased With LightWave Modeler, There's Just This
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>     1) It kinda bugs me that the NEW function resets the display
>        options.  Usually I just use NEW as a shortcut to clearing
>          out all the layers.  Why have it change the viewpoint and
>        kill the preview mode?

Try what I do, to not affect the display mode:
Shift-select all the layers, then do a cut...

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>
>   Hello again,
>
>     I'm trying to understand how to utilize the wave texture on under
>   water objects.
>     I've tried placing the wave surface on a plane above my object
>   and use 40% transparency on it.
>         I then placed a light above the plane hoping it would cast a shadow
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>         Unfortunately it had know effect on the scene whats so ever.
>         I've got a feeling I'm going about it the wrong way...

How about putting the water-surfaced plane between the camera and the object.

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>         Does anyone have an example of a scene underwater?
>
>     Also, what other publications deal exclusively with the toaster?
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>     for subscribeing.
>     Anyone have the information on these?
>     Any reviews/thoughts on these publications?

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>        What about tutorial tapes? Any reviews on these? There seems to be
>     at least three different Authors of tutorial Tapes and I can't afford to
>     buy em all :').
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>                             Thanks
>                                 Ed

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> im putting togreather a a/b roll hi-8 toaster 4000 system
> has anyone used the evo9650
> how well does it work with LW? how about with other amiga
> animation programs, even dpaint?

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    -don't have to buy an animation controller
    -very clean picture even with the small format
    -has an internal frame buffer which provides several benefits
       -  can record lightwave frames faster (once in the VCR's frame
           buffer lightwave can start the next frame as the VCR does
           the preroll etc.
       -  on playback can be used as a pseudo TBC so the picture is steady
          enough for toaster use.
    -TAO says their editizer A/B roll editor supports the 9650

  Less good.
    -when using the built-in contoller insert edits are limited by the decks
    software to be no more than 15 seconds in length.
    -The command codes used to control the deck are criptic... I ended up
     writing a couple of arexx scripts and c programs to set the start frame
     etc.  It should be easier with the new lightwave which has more setup
     commands built in.

   tip:  don't use a serial rate of 9600 with the deck... some interaction
         between lw and the deck will cause crashes  4800 works fine
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> also do i need the y/c plus board
> for hi-8 work?

You can do fine without the board when recording animations.  For the a/b roll
stuff the y/c board may help the quality as you build generations.

P.S. at SIGGRAPH I was sharing a booth with SANYO and got a pretty good look
at their new SVHS animation deck.  Seemed to me the manual operations (e.g.,
jog and shuttle) were a bit more cumbersome than with the sony but overall
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as good of quality as the media allows.  The SANYO is less expensive (3K list)
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hi-
im putting togreather a a/b roll hi-8 toaster 4000 system
has anyone used the evo9650
how well does it work with LW?

My brother and I have the EV09650 and have been quite satified with it. However, we have not
really had the time to put it through all of its paces. We do have the y/c plus board for
it. We use the Transporter software from Amazing Computers to control the deck. You can
also use it directly from Lightwave, by typing in a tedious set of commands :-) as
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Desktop Video World...
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|     I created the waving flag tutorial, as suggested in Displacement
| Mapping.  Seems that if I select and <c>ut out the stars (Polygons),
| when I <v> paste them back down in another layer, they are just points.
| I tried this several times.  The quickie (not really) answer was to just
| connect each point back together and <p> create them as polygons again.

This probably didn't work because the stars are probably detail polygons.
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they will show up as dotted.  Since detail polygon are not polygons in
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Subdididing won't work either for these puppies since they depend on the
polygon underneath them for proper rendering.  Hmmm.  Best advice would
be the following (if you have 3.0): select stars and use "Detach" to
make them full polygons.  Then cut them to another layer and use that
as a mask for a Stencil Drill operation.  Use the star color and drill
stencil that back into the blue field.  Now you can subdivide like crazy.
Actually, you might want to "Julienne" the flag first (ARexx script --
should be provided.  If not, I'll post it).  Good luck.

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    Sometimes I run Lightwave with my storage devices pretty
    close to full....  (Lightwave sure produces a lot of data :-)
    Anyway, I have run into a problem on a couple of occasions...
    I'm rendering an image and saving it to a IFF or framestore,
    and part way through the render, Lightwave
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    My drive became full.

    Oops.

    "No problem.", I say to myself, "I'll just delete this file and
    move that file and I should have enough room..."  So, I make
    some room and pop pack to Lightwave to hit the <RETRY> button
    on the "Save Failed" requestor.

    Rat farts.  There is no <RETRY> button!
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        <ESC> ... click
        <RENDER>... click
        <START>... click

        .... wait another 30 minutes.

    I suppose the best thing to do considering the lack of a
    retry option, would be to set up a limited region render of the
    part of the image that did not finish, render, then pop over to
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    Toaster Paint and grab the final image, then save it.

    Is there an easier way?

    Wish list item:  <ABORT> <CONTINUE> <RETRY> options on the
    save fail requestor.

    -Mike-

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>     Have any others had problems with ANIM previews created from LW?
> I did for awhile, but all seems to work again.  I wonder if it was
> the screen saver and mouse blanker that I turned off.  Ideas, please?
> Is there a problem with the stars on the USFlag in the Objects/Misc
> drawer?
>
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made no difference. The closest thing I've been able to figure out is the
save path. IF you send the anim files to another drive w/o first changing
the Framestore to that drive it won't work, or should I say it works but
your anim looks like noise and one or both buffers "flip out".  AFTER
switching to the desired harddrive I thought I had it licked, but got the
same the problem. Then I noticed that most of the problems occured when I
tried to rerender 2.0 scenes, not when I built new ones from VT4K.
So, I narrowed it down to 2 areas where the problem arises, either ther's
something in the old scenes which the new system thinks is illegal, or
the path you set, and maybe even the name you give the animate, screw up
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usually 100.FS.ANIM and, so far, it's worked. But it's kind of a drag
having to rename them after they've finished rendering.
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Harv Laser recently posted that he saw quite a few infatibles from the
"The Scream" painting at the NewTek get together.  If anyone wants to
see what it looks like check out the new issue of People magazine
(Aug.16'93).  On page 63 comedian Richard Lewis is sitting between a
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>    Sometimes I run Lightwave with my storage devices pretty
>    close to full....  (Lightwave sure produces a lot of data :-)
>    Anyway, I have run into a problem on a couple of occasions...
>    I'm rendering an image and saving it to a IFF or framestore,
>    and part way through the render, Lightwave
>    informs me that the save "failed".
>
>    My drive became full.
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>    Oops.
>

>    Is there an easier way?
>

     I have the same problem ;-). Someone on here is going to tell us to
buy bigger HD's, but I have a temporary solution. If you've got the memory
available, run a utility to jpeg and delete the frames as they are
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created. Presto, you can fit six or more times the frames on the same
drive. I use ADPro's SENTRY utility for this but I bet one of the other
packages has the same capabilities. I've even heard of a utility that uses
JPEG on a more system wide level (the name excapes me now...). You can
combine the frames into animations or composite them right from their
jpeg'd forms. A little more time and effort but it lets me save for a
faster hd subsystem (PAR?).

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   Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 19:42:22 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Tim Krego <[e-mail]>

   Harv Laser recently posted that he saw quite a few infatibles from the
   "The Scream" painting at the NewTek get together.  If anyone wants to
   see what it looks like check out the new issue of People magazine
   (Aug.16'93).  On page 63 comedian Richard Lewis is sitting between a
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I've seen these for about $25 at the local WGBH Learningsmith (an
intellectual goodies store affiliated with our PBS station).  If
someone really wants, I can look up their address; I'm sure they'd
do mail order if you can't find these locally.

- Andrew Greene

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> I use ADPro's SENTRY utility for this but I bet one of the other
> packages has the same capabilities. I've even heard of a utility that uses
> JPEG on a more system wide level (the name excapes me now...). You can
> combine the frames into animations or composite them right from their
> jpeg'd forms. A little more time and effort but it lets me save for a
> faster hd subsystem (PAR?).

I can't recomend the PAR enough!  It really is a spectacular product and
I have been totally dependent on it since the day I got it.  There have already
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a note simply saying "I agree".
I created a 1500 frame animation that ended up being 110MB at the highest
quality setting my early version of the software will do.  Just spectacular.
If I want to free up space on the dedicated drive, I just tar it off to tape
or (sorry about this) copy it to any of the many magneto optical cartridges
I have laying around.  This frees up my primary HD storage for more important
things.

Great system!

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Regarding the EVO-9650, I often have trouble with frames
not being recorded. What happens is at least one frame
will not get put on tape and subsequent tries to insert
that frame at that spot on the tape fail. In other words,
nothing will get written to *that* frame. I end up putting the
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I've been trying to avoid using the first few minutes on the tape.
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Jim writes:
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>
> Regarding the EVO-9650, I often have trouble with frames
> not being recorded. What happens is at least one frame
> will not get put on tape and subsequent tries to insert
> that frame at that spot on the tape fail. In other words,
> nothing will get written to *that* frame. I end up putting the
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> I've been trying to avoid using the first few minutes on the tape.
> I'm using Sony's P6-60HMP tape (recommended "Metal Particle" type).
> I'm using Lightwave 2.0, typing in the commands and the baud rate
> is 4800.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
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    You did format the tape first.... right?  (just checking).
    Formatting is important....

    I did have that problem once.... and all I could do is
    do an insert edit to the frame before it... for a total of
    _two_ frames.
    Example:   frame 25 is giving me problems...   so, I
           insert the image at frame _24_ for two frames.
           This gives me this sequence...

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           .... 21, 22, 23, 25, 25, 26 ,27...
                               ^^^^^^^^

    I the re-rendered frame 24 and put is where it where it
    should go, finishing the sequence.

    If this tape keeps giving you problems, I'd get a new tape.

    And be sure that you are using a head cleaner on your 9650 at
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Hola,
  Does anyone have an idea what the displacement map in the Pumpkin example
of the tutorials was like?  I've been able to come up with the maps for the
Saturn example okay with a little trial and error, but I can't seem to get an
adequate Pumpkin.

 In fact it seems NewTek might upload the various maps & examples that were
missing from the release to an Aminet site, or post them here.  But for now,
any general description of the correct map would be greatly appreciated, and
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Hola,
 Of course, simple as it was, I figured it out as soon as I got home & reread
the tutorial. I hadn't actually tried the Flag Waving example, so I was a bit
behind the curve.  Thanks, though.

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My hero, Mark Thompson, writes:

> Now has anyone wrote a script to convert vectors in Modeler to
>a Bones scene fragment, complete with a means for hierarchy specification?

    Mark, what IS a "Bones scene fragment"?

>Probably not, looks like I have some coding to do.

    Possibly along the same lines, I'd like to parent an object to the
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>I was wondering if I could get some feedback from all of you
>Lightwave animators out there.
>
>I have been using a Toaster since it came out, (was a beta test site
>back a few years ago).  Anyways, I was in the world of production for
>4 years and had to get out of it to get a job that paid real money
>:).
>
>However, I still have the itch and got an A4000 and ordered the T4000
>board.  My brother has a 2000 with the 4000 board and he wants me to
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>get back into doing graphics with him.

    I hope your brother is a good marketer. :-)

>I have also considered using the new IOMEGA Floptical drive that puts
>21MB on a 3.5" disk.  I could render 1 sec of animation per disk and
>IOMEGA is promising a 40MB version later on in the year.
>
    Don't bother. 21 Megs is not enough.  Get a Syquest 88, or the
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> How's the quality ? Resolution ? (i.e. S-VHS and no bleed ?)

The PAR has composite, Y/C (S-Video - Hi8, SVHS), and component (MII, BetacamSP)

The output is great!

Product of the year, IMHO.

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tape or destroy a deck or use a reduced color or resolution RAM anim such
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> Pumpkin example of the tutorials
> any general description of the correct map would be greatly appreciated

I never saw it, but it would simply be a gradient going from black to white
to black from left to right. It would be best to have more white than black.
You may need a non-linear gradient to get the desired curvature, but you will
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>I use an evo9650:
>
>  Good points.
>    -don't have to buy an animation controller
>    -very clean picture even with the small format
>    -has an internal frame buffer which provides several benefits
>       -  can record lightwave frames faster (once in the VCR's frame
>           buffer lightwave can start the next frame as the VCR does
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Very interesting. Excuse my ignorance, but you mean the evo9650 has a se-
rial conector which can be connected to the Amiga/Toaster, and be used
just like a Single Frame Controller? If that's the case, how's it compared
to a S-VHS animation recording, using a time code generator/reader like
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>Actually, you might want to "Julienne" the flag first (ARexx script --
>should be provided.  If not, I'll post it).  Good luck.
>
>   Stuart Ferguson

Stuart, that last statement you made makes me think how many useful AREXX
scripts you may have already created, so usefull you can't live without,
that we have to. Would you be kind enough to list the ones you have, or
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>Which does faster renderings in similar animations/scenes??
>And approx how many times faster is it?
>
>--
Well, mr., that's really a good question. The faster answer :) is that it
varies a lot. I don't think the Lightwave speed is "legendary" as some ads
say, but it's really impressive. I do think, although, that Imagine has
a hell of a speed in some cases, but slow downs terribly when there's a
polygon too close to the camera. But don't they all do that? Well...
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Probably everybody will flame me away, saying Imagine 2.0 is always slower
than Lightwave 2.0, but if they first test it they'll see that's too far from
the truth. Remember too things: Imagine uses only triangular polygons (that
are both a good and a bad thing, since it makes smoother surfaces but slows
down screen update a lot), and double sided ones (no normals - thanks god!),
so a serious speed comparison test can only be between similar conditions.
Second, Imagine scenes by default takes the over-sampling Anti-alias setted
very high to increase quality. So that the same scene can be compared to
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and you'll probably find Imagine's outperforms LW in many cases, not to tell
it has metallic blurry reflections, and a ray-traced reflection, that is,
IMHO, much better and reallistic than LW2's.

"No, I can't talk about LWPro. But you also can't talk about Imagine3! :) "

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> anyone out there is using either
> the DPS card that writes frames to a hard drive or else is using a
> writable LaserDisk.

I've used both and each has advantages. The DPS card is very cheap, and
very clean, but as with all lossy compression systems today, there is
some artifacting in areas of high contrast and spatial detail. They are
minor, and mostly invisible especially when animated, but they are there.
Recordable video disks don't suffer from such artifacts, but they have other
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recordable video discs are rather expensive. Typically around $14,000 with
discs costing about $300 each. If you do decide to go this route, check out
the Sony LVR-3000.

Personally, I have been using a Panasonic TQ-3031 recordable video disc for
some time and I am switching to the PAR because of the cleaner output.
For clients that demand only the best, I will dump to D1 from Exabyte.
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Hi all,

Does anyone happen to know of a mac modeling program that will output
LW compatible files?  Preferably something not too expensive.  It doesn't
need to have lots of features either-- just LW compatability with minimal
object modifications.  (I need something to do modeling on my powerbook
when I'm on the road, so rendering isn't a big concern either.)

Thanks for the help,
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>     I'm trying to understand how to utilize the wave texture on under
>   water objects.
>     I've tried placing the wave surface on a plane above my object
>   and use 40% transparency on it.

What you want to do is use the underwater texture to modulate the diffuse
lighting of the objects that are underwater. This gives the shadow cast
appearance you are looking for without the brute force you were attempting.
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But that method is very slow to render.

>     There use to be one called "bread box" and another called "Toaster User".

Breadbox became Video Toaster User. Subscribe @ [phone]
Amiga Video/Graphics doesn't do Toaster exclusively, but they cover it pretty
well. I am starting a new column with them that deals with advanced LightWave
techniques. Reach them at [phone]. Finally, VTU is putting together a
new publication specifically for pro LightWave users. I hear its a more
expensive publication because of the much smaller readership. Anyway, I will
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> So is it going to ship before the end of the year?

Thats what NewTek said. I hope it doen't get delayed.

> In one case it sounds like it isn't completed, when talking of the
> slow ethernet, but then it sounds like it is ready for beta testing.

Its not complete, but some of the productions that are important to
NewTek need it NOW whether its in its final form or not.

> As far as including LW/Modeler does the Screamer have any HD storage?

I'm not sure about that. There has to be some sort of storage for the OS
and Windows NT is not exactly compact. But LW/Modeler would not need to
reside on the disk if there was one.

> When they said up to 1GB did you find out how much will ship with it?

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> And what is the ram used for program code or texture/scene storage?

Program, objects, images, scene, etc. The real question is can the 4 CPUs
share the same data or do they each work completely independently with
private memory. The latter is easier and faster but very memory wasteful.

> I would also like to know what the base system includes.

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This may seem like a stupid question.... but what is a PAR?



> How's the quality ? Resolution ? (i.e. S-VHS and no bleed ?)

The PAR has composite, Y/C (S-Video - Hi8, SVHS), and component (MII,
BetacamSP)

The output is great!
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Product of the year, IMHO.

Sure beats beating your edit deck to death and you can do many things
such
as join animations, copy segments of animations, loop anims (with a
slight
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>The PAR has composite, Y/C (S-Video - Hi8, SVHS), and component (MII,BetacamSP)
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>The output is great!
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>Product of the year, IMHO.
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>Sure beats beating your edit deck to death and you can do many things such
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>pause), ping pong anims, etc.
>It is especially great for doing test render anims, you don't have to waste
>tape or destroy a deck or use a reduced color or resolution RAM anim such
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Excuse my ignorance, by what exactly is PAR anyway?

Thanks
Curt
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>     Mark, what IS a "Bones scene fragment"?

The portion of a scene file that describes the bone placement. What
I would do is create a bone structure in Modeler relative to my object,
then convert that bones specification to a scene fragment. That scene
fragment could then be simply added (using a text editor) to the scene file
where the object is loaded and the bones would then all be properly in place,
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>     Possibly along the same lines, I'd like to parent an object to the
> end of a bone.  This is not directly supported, is there some workaround?

No, but it has been suggested to Allen already along with some other bones
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+-- Breno (That Imagine Guy) Silva writes:
| Stuart, that last statement you made makes me think how many useful AREXX
| scripts you may have already created, so usefull you can't live without,
| that we have to. Would you be kind enough to list the ones you have, or
| at least the new ones, so that we can ask you some... or maybe just post
| them ALL???  :))

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so those are the ones I'm least sure about.  They are:

    nextempty    Goes to next empty layer.

    nearbg        Puts nearby nonempty layers into bacground of
            current layer(s).

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    prick        Creates random points on surfaces in an object.

    julienne    Slices object evenly along an axis.

Past messages have indicated that "particles" was not included, and
"prick" was.  Someone with 3.0 can confirm if any of these were omitted
and I can post them.  Note that these scripts can only be used if you

have 3.0.  I also wrote a script after release that is a hypertext-like
document reader for within Modeler.  My test document is online help
for the Modeler ARexx interface.  I intend to post that one at some
point.

| " I can't criticize modeller... I haven't put my hands in the 3.0 yet! ;) "

Don't worry -- you will.  :-)

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> Does anyone happen to know of a mac modeling program that will output
> LW compatible files?

I don't know of any that support LW but many of them support either Swivel
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> Very interesting. Excuse my ignorance, but you mean the evo9650 has a se-
> rial conector which can be connected to the Amiga/Toaster, and be used
> just like a Single Frame Controller?

The 9650 does have a rs232 port built in so you can direct connect to
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I'm not familiar with the BCD2000 functions so I can't comment on that.  The
time code it uses is Hi-8 not SMPTE (you can use a linear audio track with
an external generator to get SMPTE just like SVHS if you like).

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>     -Mike-
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Another nice thing to see would be for lightwave to look at the file
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> >    My drive became full.

> created. Presto, you can fit six or more times the frames on the same

>                                           Regards,
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I do pretty much the same thing. I wrote an ARexx script that
uses ADPro to load in a sequence of framestores and save them
back out as framestores, only compressed.  Depending on the
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Hello all,
    I've heard Stuart talking about some arexx scripts that didn't
seem to make the final "cut" in the latest Toaster version. I started
looking in the AREXX_Examples directory and found a drawer called "lwm"
which holds the arexx scripts that Modeler uses. Lo-an-behold I found some
scripts that aren't listed when selecting the "macro" button in Modeler.
It seems that the "ModelerMacroList" in the "Toaster/3D" directory isn't
set up with all the available macros that come with the new Modeler.
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    Now for something weird, in the "AREXX_Examples" directory is
another "ModelerMacroList"! Not a copy of the one in the "3D" dir. but
another one with more things in it, but still not all that are available
(this one lists "Julienne" and "Particle Clone")
    Anyway I'm printing out the files so I can do a better comparison
and then edit a file to list all the scripts in Modeler. Now for some tips
that I haven't heard from the list yet.

    There is a macro named "Text" that will automatically generate
extruded text and bevel or round the edges if you wish. it allows you to
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the lines, and the justification (Left, Center, Right) also. If you are
into "Flying Logos" this macro is a dream come true, There is also another
macro called "Curve Text" that will generate text on a curve (NEAT!)

    If you spend many hours a day in Modeler like I do, you probably
find yourself in need of something to break up the monotony.
Try the "Haiku" macro in Modeler, It's hilarious. All that it's missing is
some thought provoking wisdom from Beavis and Butthead.

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    Modeler also has it's own config file that you can edit to set
defaults. Things like Directories and Polygon options. It also lets you
assign these wonderful macros that I've been harping about to the function
keys.

    Well I hope this has been useful to someone, I think these Arexx
macros are about the neatest thing since sliced bread. Now maybe I'll
learn Arexx.

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> I've never seen a full 3.0 release, so I'm not sure what was included

I didn't get my final release installed until very recently and it seems
that all the scripts that Stuart mentioned are there. And as Bryan Blevins
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I assume most of you have gotten your hot little hands on
the latest CGW, with a Ron Thornton original cover- For those
eagle eyed people-check out the palm trees and the tree to the
left of the space craft, even Ron uses the Toaster Phonebook :-)

a great image, just ok article.(CGW has this strange way of
writing about the Amiga, they always throw in some dissenting
opinions from "the experts" about how the Amiga just doesn't
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To everybody:

Recently, my institute prepares to buy one animation package for workstation.
I'm in charge of survey.  Our primary project is to usc CCD to scan an object
(with 2.5D) and present the image in animation package and then do CAD/CAM.

I need to know what is the advantage of using Lightwave and what model of Amiga
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A4000 Computer (68040/25 CPU)
2 MB Chip Ram 16 MB Fast Ram
880KB 3.5 inch floppy drive
VT 4000 v.3 H/S
A1084S color RGB/Video/Y-C/Audio screen
120 MB HD
Amiga DOS/Workbench V3.0
Lightwave 3D Animation Model

Should I notice anything before purchase ? Or in my case, should I use SOFTIMAGE, Wavefront, PRISM, Alias  instead of Toaster ?
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> >     Have any others had problems with ANIM previews created from LW?
> > I did for awhile, but all seems to work again.  I wonder if it was
> > the screen saver and mouse blanker that I turned off.  Ideas, please?
> >
> Yeah, I can't figure it out either. At first I thought it was keeping the
...
> So, I narrowed it down to 2 areas where the problem arises, either ther's
> something in the old scenes which the new system thinks is illegal, or
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> the path you set, and maybe even the name you give the animate, screw up
> the anims. I've since made a habit of going with the default name,
> usually 100.FS.ANIM and, so far, it's worked. But it's kind of a drag
> having to rename them after they've finished rendering.
> How bout you, same symptoms or you can't get it to repeat?

    After one day of problems, my anims are working fine.
I haven't had problems after I turned off the screen saver.
I didn't have to try switching the framestore directory.
    Hey LW fans w/ 3.0:  check out the scene called something like
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overlay, or key.  There's a nice "World Premire" 200 frame animation.
Has two search lights that scan over the the 3D text "World Premire".
Ala 20th Century Fox.  I'll have to study how that was done.
The 200 frames rendered at Low Res and Adaptive Sampling turned
on to Low, yeilded an ANIM over 10Meg.  I can play back just
over six seconds worth LIVE =:)  Yep, that 16M of fast ram
is handy =:)
    I have been using any name I choose to save ANIM renderings.
No problems.
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  I've been trying to implement the Fog parameter in the background selector
 under lightwave.
  The results have been the following.

 Either all background or a black matte where my object would be.

 I've tried setting min and max to different levels but end up with the same
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 Camera is on medium res, regular trace.
 Background is default with the colors both to the sky setting.

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                            Thanx
                                Ed


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From:    SHARE::DOYLE        17-AUG-1993 12:18:37.68
To:    CRL::"[e-mail]"
CC:    DOYLE
Subj:    Using Fog parameters?


  I've been trying to implement the Fog parameter in the background selector
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 Either all background or a black matte where my object would be.

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 I've a feeling I'm not setting all the parameters I should?
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                            Thanx
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>> >     Have any others had problems with ANIM previews created from LW?
>> > I did for awhile, but all seems to work again.  I wonder if it was
>> > the screen saver and mouse blanker that I turned off.  Ideas, please?
>> >
>        After one day of problems, my anims are working fine.
>I haven't had problems after I turned off the screen saver.
>I didn't have to try switching the framestore directory.

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  Are you running any other utilities at the same time?
  Shut off any screen blanking utilities, mouse accelerators, or any other
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Mouse blankers cause all sorts of havoc with the Toaster. Get rid of them.

     <ELF> - Eric J Fleischer,MD - Dr Gandalf
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In the fire tutorial, Pete Nofel mentioned getting clouds for a planet. I
have managed to get to a certain point (recreating lil' ol' earth, what else)
and now am having trouble. I have a decent earthmap pic, it raises up nicely,
I have a seperated atmosphere and all, and I have even managed to get a decent
'banding' with the clouds. Main problem is now there are a LOT of clouds! It
looks like the whole sea evaporated or something...Nuclear winter?

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was some quick&easy way (or even a long and greuling way :) to get acceptable
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Also, is it just me, or does LW2.0 always render the 'motion blur'red particles
at mega-low-res? I tried everything up to Print, and the stars still come out
as huge chunky C64-esque lines. I have motion blur at 50% and normal camera
settings. What am I missing? Is this fixed in LW3.0/4000/Pro/Plus/Mondo/etc.?

Well, I can't think of anything more to ask, so I'll get back to lurking.

Daryl Bartley
Greenwood Abbey Productions
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P.S. Rereading that first bit, it occurs to me that someone might suggest the
     'texture size', etc. I have played with this a lot and still can't find a
     balance between thick and thin.
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At the NewTek "Screamer" Party I had a throwaway Kodak ASA 400
film camera w/flash with me and I shot a few pics of people in
the patio during the pre-video party. When I got home, I scanned
a couple of the photos and have uploaded them to Aminet
where they now live.

kikiscream.jpeg is a 768x480 JPEG compressed 24 bit image of
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This image is in /pub/aminet/pix/women

sigparty.jpeg is a 768x480 JPEG compressed 24 bit image of
Mark Thompson, John Grieggs, Steve Worley, Glenn Lewis, and a
couple other 3D guys not so well known (sorry, other guys), around
one of the party tables in the patio at the Wax Museum,
drinking and carrying on. The photo is labelled as to who is who.
This one should be in /pub/aminet/pix/misc.

Both pics are also in the Amiga Zone on The Portal Online System.
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Both pics were scanned by me from developed print film on my Epson
ES300C flatbed color scanner, and then twiddled with ADPro and
OpalPaint before JPEGging. OpalPaint has a *wonderful* paint mode called
"sharpen" which can be applied to any area of a picture and really
works wonders on less than sharp source material. It was applied to
both of these pics to bring them into focus.

Both pics are Copyright 1993, Harv Laser. Permission to freely
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>At the NewTek "Screamer" Party I had a throwaway Kodak ASA 400
>film camera w/flash with me and I shot a few pics of people in
>the patio during the pre-video party. When I got home, I scanned
>a couple of the photos and have uploaded them to Aminet
>where they now live.
>
>kikiscream.jpeg is a 768x480 JPEG compressed 24 bit image of
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>sigparty.jpeg is a 768x480 JPEG compressed 24 bit image of
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>couple other 3D guys not so well known (sorry, other guys), around
>one of the party tables in the patio at the Wax Museum,
>drinking and carrying on. The photo is labelled as to who is who.
>This one should be in /pub/aminet/pix/misc.
>
>Both pics are also in the Amiga Zone on The Portal Online System.
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>Both pics were scanned by me from developed print film on my Epson
>ES300C flatbed color scanner, and then twiddled with ADPro and
>OpalPaint before JPEGging. OpalPaint has a *wonderful* paint mode called
>"sharpen" which can be applied to any area of a picture and really
>works wonders on less than sharp source material. It was applied to
>both of these pics to bring them into focus.
>
>Both pics are Copyright 1993, Harv Laser. Permission to freely
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I was wondering if anybody has been successful in getting through to
Customer Support at NewTek recently?  I have been calling for the last
5 working days at a rate of  16 calls per day.  The operator rings my call
through to Toaster Upgrades and then no-one answers.  I've waited as
much as fifteen minutes before hanging up.  When I tried to explain to the
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this is a general question-
Now that Modeler 3.0 is *SO* useful, I am wondering how people go about
building their 3d models. Actually, l am more interested in how you
"construct" your models, or put them together.
For example,
do you build individual parts in Modeler, and then load everything
into Layout to arrange them ? or do you just build everything in
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layout, using parent/child relationships, etc...

In Modeler 2.0 and before, I found it tedious going back and forth
between Modeler and layout, load, save, load, etc...:-)
As a result, I have gotten into the habit of just building the whole
object in modeler. But now, with the new and improved import export
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build individual parts in modeler.

so, how do *YOU* build ? ;-)
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this is a specific question :-)
Is there a way through Arexx to save "views" in Modeler ?
I use several Mac 3d programs, which maintain a list of frequently
used views, accessible by a keystroke of menu selection. So, if I
am working on a house model, I save an overall view, a closeup of the
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and....how about an indicator in the 3d preview window, to indicate what
orientation you are looking at-

and...how about disengaging the 3d preview window from the triview completely,
in both lightwave and modeler, so you could zoom into a triview, but still see
the entire 3d model ?

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Are there any programs out there that can take each lightwave frame
as they are created and save them as jpegs??

-Taka

P.S. I'm trying to figure out how to use Rend24 (v1.05?).  I want to
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Does anyone remember Sculpt 3D ? :-) (actually, it is quite popular on the
Mac as one of the "higher end renderers)
One feature I *really* miss from sculpt- you could *clip* parts of your model
using the windows of the triview- so in the left view window, you don't have
to see the ten thousand polygons and points receding in the distance...

Also, I miss the "hide points" command from Imagine, although for Modeler I would
prefer a "hide, invert hide, cancel hide" series of commmands for polys and points.
this would differ from moving to layers in that it is a non-destructive command,

no cutting or pasting...

kevin
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p.s. one more thing :-) if you cut something, say a painstakingly crafted Cardassian
ship, and try to paste it into an empty layer, and accidently hit the "C" key (copy)
instead of the 'V' button (paste), you lose everything ! in fact, undo will just
undo the phantom 'copy' command ! If there is nothing to copy, why does the clipboard
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    To add, here's a quickie  --- or not a quickie?
In release 3.0:
I would like to load in more than one object at a time.  This
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    Thanks
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fredrick, to load more than one object at a time,
click on the load object button say, six times. the requestor will
repeat six times, and you can keep loading.

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>     To add, here's a quickie  --- or not a quickie?
> In release 3.0:
> I would like to load in more than one object at a time.  This
> question applies to LW and the Modeler.

Of course there is the "Load from Scene" in LW, but I imagine you know
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> Does anyone remember Sculpt 3D ? :-) (actually, it is quite popular on the
> Mac as one of the "higher end renderers)

Oh do I remember Sculpt.  I was on the bleeding edge of this desktop commerical
graphics wave doing flying logos and such for cable advertising in '88 I
believe.  The facilities only had Sculpt 4D (payed $500 for the piece of crap)
and man was it a pain in the ass.
Most people have used a form of sculpt in their time and know all the problems,
we could list them for fun to see how far we have come if you want, but the
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an animation in Scanline Painting (the only accurate non-raytracing mode) if
a take was loaded (for those that don't remember, a take had to be loaded as it
was the means of generating an animation).  Although we contacted Byte by Byte
about this a number of times, it was shortly before their mutity to the Mac
and they didn't seem to car.
A bit of irony, at the end of the the CGW article about the Amiga and is
it time to give it another look, Byte by Byte is listed as one of the main
vendors that produce software for the Amiga.  GACK, choke, cough, YACK!!!

> One feature I *really* miss from sculpt- you could *clip* parts of your model
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> using the windows of the triview- so in the left view window, you don't have
> to see the ten thousand polygons and points receding in the distance...

This was one of the nice things about modeling in Sculpt.  For a long while
after my hell in Sculpt I continued to use it to model while rendering with
TurboSilver.  Imagine was the savior which got Sculpt of my HD for good.
Lightwave was the savior that got me away from the 45-60min/frame renders.

>Also, I miss the "hide points" command from Imagine, although for Modeler I would
>prefer a "hide, invert hide, cancel hide" series of commmands for polys and points.
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>this would differ from moving to layers in that it is a non-destructive command,
>no cutting or pasting...

This is really no drawback to cutting and pasting _polygons_ into another
layer and it allows you to quickly reference them by turning them on in
the background, and then turning them off again.  I would make sure that
you use the Include version of volume selection and then cut away those
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Sculpt Animate 4D quirks:

- Remember how all the keyframing was vertex based instead of polygon or
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or invert and such if there wasn't enough keyframes.... :)!
- Remember what it was like to not have texture mapping.  ie. Pick a color,
or make it shiny or transparent. :)

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On Wed, 18 Aug 93 15:55:35 PDT you said:
>
>this is a general question-
>Now that Modeler 3.0 is *SO* useful, I am wondering how people go about
>building their 3d models. Actually, l am more interested in how you
>"construct" your models, or put them together.
>For example,
>do you build individual parts in Modeler, and then load everything
>into Layout to arrange them ? or do you just build everything in
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>Modeler, and just export the whole thing into layout?
>Obviously, for movable parts, it makes sense to construct in
>layout, using parent/child relationships, etc...
>
> Kevin

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modeller and just load that in Layout???? Oh, gee, if that's the case, it's
awfull! Can Lightwave be a third generation 3D software with 1st generation
faults? How can it develop so much in some areas, like lens flare effects and
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rarchical definitions?
I know guys, I'm being *very* boring, but you *do* have to admit Lightwave
still have some stuff to learn from Imagine/Real3DV2/Caligari!
I have to admit Stuart was terribly smart to make modeller that much configu-
rable from AREXX scripts (congratulations, Stuart! :), but that just doesn't
seems to be the case in Lightwave... Now the big question: Will Allen be as
effective to correct his software's deficiencies and update it frequently, or
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"Imagine 3.0 is about to be released... I won't say that again! :))) "

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> From: [e-mail](Mark Millard)
> Subject: Is NewTek Support Still Active?

This isn't the Competition talking here, is it? ;-)

> I was wondering if anybody has been successful in getting through to
> Customer Support at NewTek recently?  I have been calling for the last
> 5 working days at a rate of  16 calls per day.  The operator rings my call
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> much as fifteen minutes before hanging up.  When I tried to explain to the
> operator about why I was calling and that Toaster Upgrades was not who
> I needede to talk to, she became very rude very quickly.  Anybody know
> what happened to their great support?

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did eventually get through that didn't bother me.  I imagine that they are
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themselves rather than from a dealer.  I'd give them a couple/few weeks to
settle out from the initial mass shipment of T4000s to all of us who have been
waiting at the gate since we got 2.0.

> They got my money, but haven't delivered.

Boy, I have never spent so much money and felt so not-ripped-off in my life.

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Breno, I'm afraid you've been misinformed.  LightWave has a very powerful
way to bring hierarchies into Layout (called Load From Scene).  With a
single command, you can load not only a complete object hierarchy, with all
parent information, pivot points, etc., but also all bones, morph targets
and envelopes, displacement maps, and other options associated with those
objects.  In addition, any motions stored with the hierarchy are brought in
(so you could bring in a jointed figure complete with a walk cycle, for
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car with a fully functional light bar attached to it).  This method also
allows the same parts to be reassembled into many different hierarchies,
without having to store multiple copies of the parts on disk.  I hope this
helps to clear up this issue.

- Allen Hastings

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>This was one of the nice things about modeling in Sculpt.  For a long while
>after my hell in Sculpt I continued to use it to model while rendering with
>TurboSilver.  Imagine was the savior which got Sculpt of my HD for good.
>Lightwave was the savior that got me away from the 45-60min/frame renders.

Hey, David, you really think Imagine2.0 is that stupidly slower than Light-
Wave? Or have you just got an 040 with your Toaster? :)
I think the only thing Lightwave saves me from is from the long time I have
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same 3DS uses). But don't you miss something from Imagine? Not really?
Be sincere! Tell you never had to jump to Imagine to use his magnetism, or
his forms editor, or never thought "Wow, this cycling motion would be easy to
set in Imagine's cycle editor...". Can you? If you do, I envy you, cause I
can't...
But I just got addicted to Lightwave, what can I do? :)))

Breno.

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Does anybody know any animation software mailling lists such as
Wavefront, SoftImage, Alias etc ?

Thanks !


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>Is there a way through Arexx to save "views" in Modeler ?
>I use several Mac 3d programs, which maintain a list of frequently
>used views, accessible by a keystroke of menu selection. So, if I
>am working on a house model, I save an overall view, a closeup of the
>stairwell, a closeup of the bedroom, etc... Then, with a keystroke,
>I can get there :-)

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>and...how about disengaging the 3d preview window from the triview completely,
>in both lightwave and modeler, so you could zoom into a triview, but still see
>the entire 3d model ?
>
    If implemented, that should be optional, because as Stuart
    has it now, the gang-zooming is very helpful in finding a
    specific polygon in the orthoganal window.

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>Are there any programs out there that can take each lightwave frame
>as they are created and save them as jpegs??

    SENTRY, a utility program that comes with ADPro 2.3, will
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    but ADPro crashes when LWave renders on my machine.  For
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>P.S. I'm trying to figure out how to use Rend24 (v1.05?).  I want to
>convert a bunch of LightWave frames into DCTV format (each frame automatically
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>ANIMs.  Can anyone help?  (Give me a VERY simplified version of how this
>can be done as in what to input where and where to click... )  :)
>
    ADPro can also do this, and so can IFF2DCTV, which comes with
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>Are there any programs out there that can take each lightwave frame
>as they are created and save them as jpegs??

    SENTRY, a utility program that comes with ADPro 2.3, will
    supposedly do this.  Several people have told me it works,
    but ADPro crashes when LWave renders on my machine.  For
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>P.S. I'm trying to figure out how to use Rend24 (v1.05?).  I want to
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>can be done as in what to input where and where to click... )  :)
>
    ADPro can also do this, and so can IFF2DCTV, which comes with
    DCTV.  I wrote a function in SID (like DirOPUS) that would
    convert any IFF file to DCTV format, and since SID is batch
    oriented I could do them all at once.  Use DPaint to make the
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The Brenemeister types:

>I know guys, I'm being *very* boring,

    Well, you got THAT right.

>Breno A. Silva ([e-mail])
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>Also, I miss the "hide points" command from Imagine, although for Modeler I wo
uld
>prefer a "hide, invert hide, cancel hide" series of commmands for polys and po
ints.
>this would differ from moving to layers in that it is a non-destructive comman
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>p.s. one more thing :-) if you cut something, say a
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>ship, and try to paste it into an empty layer, and
>accidently hit the "C" key (copy)
>instead of the 'V' button (paste), you lose everything !
> In fact, undo will just
>undo the phantom 'copy' command ! If there is nothing
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    The moral here is: Save often, and use COPY not CUT.

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   I been trying a nice matte technique with the combination of the
 following products.

     Scenery Animator 4.0
     Adpro 2.3
     Aladdin 4D
     Lightwave 2.0
     DCTV

   What I was trying to do was create a convinceing alien landscape, and have
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 a space ship fly through it (real original eh).
   I used Scenery animator and created a landscape and set up a straight
 line camera path, with the lens locked at a 45 degree angle to the path, so
 I'd get a nice scroll of the background landscape.
   I then saved it out as 24bit images.
   I then used lightwave to render my moving spaceship on a black background
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   Finally I composited the ship frames over the frames of landscape with
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   The animation looked quite nice.
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  So I now want to take this a step further...

   I'd like to pull in a landscape to lightwave by making it a .geo file.
   (I've done this by using Aladdin4d to convert it).
   Then I can design my object paths and simple camera movement by referenceing
   the landscape.
   Once done, I can remove the landscape and render the object with a black
   background and use the compositing technique.

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   But I'd also like someway to design a path and use it for both my lightwave
  object or camera and scenery animator camera.
   This would allow me to sync up the two images and make a more complicated
  animation.
   However, I've not yet figured out how to accomplish this.
   Is there some way to bring in a camera path with the landscape into
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  Just had another thought... (WOW! 2 in one day!, I'm cookin now! :')

  Are there any toaster user groups in the Northern MA. Area.
  I live in Westford Ma., so Nashua N.H. and the Lowell Ma. area's are good.

                                Thanks
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>Breno, I'm afraid you've been misinformed.  LightWave has a very powerful
>way to bring hierarchies into Layout (called Load From Scene).  With a
>single command, you can load not only a complete object hierarchy, with all
>parent information, pivot points, etc., but also all bones, morph targets
>and envelopes, displacement maps, and other options associated with those
>objects.  In addition, any motions stored with the hierarchy are brought in

Thanks a lot Allen. That's the kind of answer I like. As I told, I was not
sure about it, just make assumptions about something I read. Very good to
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    Well, you got THAT right.

Well, I don't think I asked YOUR oppinion!
Come on, cut that off! Are you pi**ed off 'cause you can't admit any fault
in Lightwave/Modeller? Serious criticism are always profitable, getting
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> It would be great to be able to shift-select of simply multi select object
> names to be loaded in a batch manner.

What I would like to see is a list built up sort of like in InterChange
were you can cruise through various directories picking out all your
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On Aug 16, Kevin (Kevin Kodama) wrote:

> I assume most of you have gotten your hot little hands on
> the latest CGW, with a Ron Thornton original cover- For those
> eagle eyed people-check out the palm trees and the tree to the
> left of the space craft, even Ron uses the Toaster Phonebook :-)
>
> a great image, just ok article.(CGW has this strange way of
> writing about the Amiga, they always throw in some dissenting
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> suit their needs, true of course, but they don't write about
> other platforms as such IMHO)

Seems to me that some people are just never happy in the something
for nothing game!

You would think they could have at least a few good things to say
about it to counter the thought, but maybe I am just being idealistic,
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> Hey, David, you really think Imagine2.0 is that stupidly slower than Light-
> Wave? Or have you just got an 040 with your Toaster? :)

Both. :)

I actually made the switch to Lightwave when I was working an a 25Mhz '030.
Imagine raytraces every pixel.  Raytracing is an expensive render algorithm.
Lightwave, being a scanline renderer, will always be faster than Imagine
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IMHO, Lightwave's adaptive raytracing will give it the performance edge.
Imagine's scanline renderer is not worth discussing.

Lightwave's current '040 support is spectacular.  I moved to a 28Mhz '040
from a 25Mhz '030.  Various performance tools showed this machine to be
4 times faster.  A few test scenes showed Lightwave to be atleast 8 times
faster in rendering.  You can't complain about that!

> I think the only thing Lightwave saves me from is from the long time I have
> to take to position my objects in a restrictive 3view-positioning way (the
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> same 3DS uses).

This is where I think Lightwave really shines and not a lot of people talk
about it.  It takes a VERY short amount of time to set something up in
Lightwave that ends up looking pretty darn good when rendered.  I have
freely admitted that there is not much that I could have done in LW 2.0 that
I could not do in Imagine.  It just would have taken a heck of a lot more time
and some fudging.

> But don't you miss something from Imagine? Not really?
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Sure.
-I miss the interactive way of editing splines.  Nothing is easer than
selecting a knot and rotating it and moving it, etc.  Lightwave's current
method of having to type in tension, continuity, and bias numbers is not
very intuitive.  The new motion graph helps A LOT, but it is still a trial and
error thing, typing in multiple sets of values until the spline is shaped how
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-I miss being able to specify any range of frames to be rendered, ie. render
frames 1-10, 15, 17-25, and 27-50.  This is not a big deal, but once I needed
to re-render frames 0-50 and 125-250 in Lightwave while I was gone and I had
to pick one or the other.  Obviously I chose to render 125-150, but the machine
sat idle for 3hrs. while I was gone and I had to sit and wait for 0-50 when
I got back.  This could possibly be solved through AREXX, but I don't know.

-I miss the Cycle Editor.  Sure you can setup a hierarchy in LW and
create cycle motions using the End Behavior of a motion, but for some reason
I just always felt more productive in Imagine's cycle editor.
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-I miss the F/X.  Very powerful and underused aspect of Imagine.  Lightwave
now has AREXX hooks to allow for the manipulation of objects at the vertice
level within a scene which in the end is a better way, but it will be a bit
before we are able to buy a package of object effects... Hopefully not
too long.

-I desperately miss being able to have the camera track an object for
only _part_ of the anim and multiple objects at different times within the
anim.  With Lightwave you have to set the target, render those frames, set
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method of aiming the camera.

-I miss the external textures.  But not for long... right guys?! :)

-I miss the tri-view... on RARE occasions.

-I miss the objects local axis being displayed, sort of.

-I missed magnetism... but bones is far more powerful now.
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There is more I'm sure... However, the list of things I don't miss is too
long and unimportant to you guys to mention.

Lightwave 3.0 has set an impressive mark in the usability and power of 3D
animation/rendering software.  A lot of the features listed for Imagine 3.0
are impressive, but unfortunately, Impulse has position Imagine to constantly
play catchup with Lightwave.  I'm sure a lot of this is due to NewTek's
association with production houses such as the groups doing B5 and SeaQuest
who are pushing the software in a serious production environment and constantly
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suggesting new features... maybe demanding. :)

> Be sincere!

Oh, I always will be...  I am now in a position with a new business that
money is what is imporant.  Software loyalty and machine loyalty is now
meaningless unlike before.  Of course jumping from platform to platform and
package to package isn't going to happen because of the cost of the change
but a significant, revelutionary change in 3D software that addresses a need
we have will be enough to force that change.

Luckily it seems to us that Lightwave with a Screamer is the way to go anyways.

> But I just got addicted to Lightwave, what can I do? :)))

I think you touched on it right here.  Lightwave really is addictive.  Again
I think it is because it is SO easy to get great results out of it so when you
have a problem to solve you immediately jump to the new solution.  I kind
of laugh when I consider that I originally bought the Toaster as a buffer and
a now-and-then switcher/CG/DVE unit.
I hit a stumbling point with a project in Imagine and looked to Lightwave
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model for a long time, as anyone would.  Modelers take a little longer to
get comfortable with, but that eventually changed and Modeler 3.0 is
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OK, here's the challenge:  My brother works for a research hospital.  They
want to be able to do a 3D scan of a patient's foot, then identify some key
points on the model and move them in such a way that the rest of the points
follow in a natural sculpting way, then they want to be able to manufacture a
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 -Jamie

PS.  They do this all with casting the patient's foot, (which they want to get
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physically carving the model.  It currently takes them about an hour to carve
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> 1. Speed tests- I rendered the default Texture examples scene with
>   2.0 on a GVP 33 030 w/50mhz 882 in 5 mins 32 seconds
>   After upgrading to a Zeus 28 040, the same scene under 2.0 ran 5mins 52 secs.
>   (due to the slowdown with procedural textures)
>
>   Now, with LW 3.0, i render the same scene in 1 min. 32 seconds !
>   Anyone with the 4000 want to render the same scene and post the results?

    Ok, I promised I would post awhile ago.  Finally put down
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the new Modeler tools to render the Textures Examples.  My T4000 has
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fast ram.
    I turned off Adaptive Sampling and Antialising.  I came out
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    Mute point, as I still love the tools =:)
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> I assume most of you have gotten your hot little hands on
> the latest CGW, with a Ron Thornton original cover- For those
> eagle eyed people-check out the palm trees and the tree to the
> left of the space craft, even Ron uses the Toaster Phonebook :-)

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>p.s. one more thing :-) if you cut something, say a
>painstakingly crafted Cardassian
>ship, and try to paste it into an empty layer, and
>accidently hit the "C" key (copy)
>instead of the 'V' button (paste), you lose everything !
> In fact, undo will just
>undo the phantom 'copy' command ! If there is nothing
>to copy, why does the clipboard copy air ? :-Q

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I think this is last part is incorrect.  If you cut something and then
copy something else, undo will still undo the CUT not the copy.  Undo
only affects data in layers, not the paste buffer.  In fact, if you
copy nothing and then paste it, the undo still undoes the cut.

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| -I miss the interactive way of editing splines.  Nothing is easer than
| selecting a knot and rotating it and moving it, etc.  Lightwave's current
| method of having to type in tension, continuity, and bias numbers is not
| very intuitive.  The new motion graph helps A LOT, but it is still a trial and
| error thing, typing in multiple sets of values until the spline is shaped how
| you want it.

You know that with 3.0, you can hold down "t", "c" or "b" (for tension,
continuity and bias) and move the mouse from side to side to change

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>> But don't you miss something from Imagine? Not really?
>
>Sure.
>-I miss the interactive way of editing splines.  Nothing is easer than
>selecting a knot and rotating it and moving it, etc.  Lightwave's current
>method of having to type in tension, continuity, and bias numbers is not
>very intuitive.  The new motion graph helps A LOT, but it is still a trial and
>error thing, typing in multiple sets of values until the spline is shaped how
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>of motion!!!

    David, motion splines are interactively adjustable with the
    mouse.  Choose your object, with motion path visible.  To adjust
    the TENSION, hold down the "T" key, BIAS the "B" key, and
    CONTINUITY the "C" key.  You can see the motion path change in
    real time.

    I agree that sepArate channels for motion/rot/size would be a
    wonderful thing.  3DS has that feature.  We can workaround
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>
>-I desperately miss being able to have the camera track an object for
>only _part_ of the anim and multiple objects at different times within the
>anim.  With Lightwave you have to set the target, render those frames, set
>the new target, render those frames, or just not use the convient target
>method of aiming the camera.

    To emulate this function, target the camera at an invisible null
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    not as slick as multiple targets, but a viable workaround.
>
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>   Are there any toaster user groups in the Northern MA. Area.
>   I live in Westford Ma., so Nashua N.H. and the Lowell Ma. area's are good.

That would certainly be of interest to me because I work in Westford and
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Hello There,

    We've been enjoying the new update to lightwave 3.0 and the modeler.
I do have a question though..

    Can I animate child objects using bones if I assign a bone to
the parent. I placed the bone after assigning object parenting and setting
up my motion paths. I then placed the bone in the parent object expecting
the child objects to move as the parent. No luck so far.. any suggestions?

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    Besides increased performance are there any benifits to upgrading
to the A-4000 from the standpoint of LW or the Modeler (ie additional
functions??). I hope not since I just bought another SCSI drive and the
A-4000 is IDE ;-(

    There seemed to be some missing files for doing all the examples
and tutorials. But due to the well written documentation the files were not
missed.

    I'd like to thank both Allen and Stuart for a easy to use
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proffesional tool. Keep up the good work.

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    Is there any way to parent objects TO the camera?

    I suppose I could save out the camera motion file
    then load it into a null object... then parent to that.
    That makes it a bit of a pain though when altering the
    camera key frames.... (save, re-load the file into the
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    Is there a better way?

    Wish list item #134:  Parenting objects to the camera.

    Thanks!

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>     Can I animate child objects using bones if I assign a bone to
> the parent.

Not with the current software.

>     Besides increased performance are there any benifits to upgrading
> to the A-4000 from the standpoint of LW or the Modeler (ie additional
> functions??).

 From a LW/Modeler perspective, you are only missing some additional color
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in the interface and the real-time animation platback. But some people
have reported that LW renders significantly slower on a 4000/040 than
a 2000/040. I'm not exactly sure why that is.

> Bones are great.. What next ... Mussles?   ;-)

Actually, I suggested muscles quite some time ago. They would basically be
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I recently had a chance to play on a Toaster 4000 before deciding
whether to upgrade the 4000 way or just a software upgrade to my
accelerated 3.0.

The 4000 definitely has better looking switcher effects, and more of them.
The ability to animate with mouse control was also very impressive, but
a real memory pig.  I am an Architect, and this feature is a dream come
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 - Cheaper, always a concern.
 - I kept hearing that things in my 2000 wouldn't work correctly, such
   as ethernet card, SCSI disks, and my TBC.  I don't know how true many
   of these are but the fear is enough to scare me off.
 - Memory limitations on the 4000 (I hear these may soon be eliminated).
   I am lucky enough to have lots of memory and I don't want to give it up.
   I believe that the 4000 is limited to 16 MB (???), and I frequently use
   more than that.
 - I definitely believe that my accelerated 2000 is faster at rendering,
   and this is our weakest link.  This logic can work in reverse though.
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   I could have bought a new 4000, kept my 2000, and had two machines
   rendering.

In the end it was a close call, and if I were buying new I would definitely
go with the 4000.

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Thanks for all of you who have done the survey.
The stats I have so far are:
                  7 toaster systems based on amiga 2000's 5 of which have
GVP 68030 boards and one that had a zeus 68040 card.
                  1 toaster based on the amiga 3000
                  2 toasters based on the amiga 4000
                  6 people had the toaster 2.0 and 4 had the toaster 3.0
                  Most people had around 10 meg of ram and one person had
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                  most people had 200 to 500 meg of hard drive space
                  The video equipment was 2 using JVC, 3 using Panasonic,
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> Hello There,
>
>     We've been enjoying the new update to lightwave 3.0 and the modeler.
> I do have a question though..
>
>     Besides increased performance are there any benifits to upgrading
> to the A-4000 from the standpoint of LW or the Modeler (ie additional
> functions??). I hope not since I just bought another SCSI drive and the
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> A-4000 is IDE ;-(

CBM has announced a controller for the A4000 know as the A4091.  The
controller is a SCSI-II controller.  Of course then you would have to
get rid of the ide in it..  :/

Another benifit to the A4000 is the AGA chipset allowing 256,000+ color
animations, and not limited to the old HAM resolution of 320x200.  Much
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>     I'd like to thank both Allen and Stuart for a easy to use
> proffesional tool. Keep up the good work.
>

Same here.  Great job guys!

> Barb and Tauras
> Free Flow Video
>
>
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> Bones are great.. What next ... Mussles?   ;-)
>

Collision detection maybe??  ;)
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Mark Thompson wrote

What I would like to see is a list built up sort of like in InterChange
were you can cruise through various directories picking out all your
objects (full paths are maintained by the list) and then do a single load
operation when you have them all.

I'm adding my support for this suggestion.  Perhaps also adding a quantity
option which lets you select the number of instances of the object
you want to load.  Very useful when you're building an object from many
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Just some clarifications to the readers of the list.  There are some
corrections in order to some comments Scott Jones made concerning
the A4000.  First, adding SCSI to the A4000 right now is not
possible with Commodore's A4091 board as it is defective and currently
in nationwide recall (don't expect it to return I suspect).  The
alternatives are two boards...the Fastlane from a company in Germany
and the Phoenix which I believe is from IVS.  Secondly, adding SCSI
to the A4000 would not prevent you from using the IDE that is built
into the A4000.  Thirdly, the Real-time animation playback built into
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little more than that since it is using overscan) HAM8 (256,000+) color
mode of the A4000.  Hope this prevents some misunderstandings.

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> Allan J. Patrick (rutgers!ll.mit.edu!patrick) wrote:
> I'm adding my support for this suggestion.  Perhaps also adding a quantity
> option which lets you select the number of instances of the object
> you want to load.

If such a list load feature were created, intuitively, this would probably
be the right location for a quantity selection as well. However, the object
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>  First, adding SCSI to the A4000 right now is not
>possible with Commodore's A4091 board as it is defective and currently
>in nationwide recall (don't expect it to return I suspect).  The
>alternatives are two boards...the Fastlane from a company in Germany
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Actually, there is another option.  Let me provide the background. We
had two A2000s, one with the PP&S 040 and Toaster 2.0, the other with
the C= A2630. Both use the A2091 controllers. Last week, in a fit of
temporary weakness/insanity I picked up the Toaster double-up, an A4000
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(with 18 MB), a DPS PAR board and Seagate hard disk.  The previous week
I had upgraded the A2000/040 with a 1.2 GB SCSI disk. However, I ran into
the A4091 recall problem. I decided to make do for the time being.

After a few days of bouncing between machines I decided to try using the
A2091/HD from the A2000/030 as an auxillary device, and it worked.  This probably shouldn't have been a major surprise, though I was concerned about
the ROM version on the A2091 (6.6).  This is not the optimum solution, but
it offers a reasonable workaround for cash-strapped people who want to reuse
their current investment.

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Regarding SCSI and IDE, as Chris said, there is no conflict.  I have the IDE 120MB, 540MB and SCSI Quantnum 105, all coexisting in the same housing.  I
must admit I monitor the heat build-up though.

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Well folks, I got mine and I wanted to clue you in since I had to
search high and low to find this thing.

Its called the Sync Strainer, its from PreVue Tech. and costs $60.
call 1-916-477-2905 to order yours.  They are ONLY selling Direct as they
cant make them fast enough for the demand.

What does it do?  It allows you to use a Multi-Sync Monitor with your
toaster 4000.  Note:  If you dont have an Amiga 4000 you dont need this
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Other important info:  It has a 9 Pin VGA connector, so if you have a
15Pin cable they will give you (yes there some things in life that are
free :) a 9Pin to 15Pin adaptor..  They said that it will be 3 weeks
before they can start production of the 15Pin version of this same dongle.

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>.... But some people
>have reported that LW renders significantly slower on a 4000/040 than
>a 2000/040. I'm not exactly sure why that is.

   There are two reasons that a 4000/040 is slower than a 2000/040. First is
that most of the 2000/040s are 33MHz, as opposed to the 4000/040s at 25MHz,
a 32% speedup right there. Second is the way that the memory in the 4000 is
handled. Apparently it slows down RAM access significantly, further slowing
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> >     Can I animate child objects using bones if I assign a bone to
> > the parent.
>
> Not with the current software.

I look forward to many improvments in the Bones implementation of LW.
Right now, assigning a large number of bones' initial position is a big
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> > Bones are great.. What next ... Mussles?   ;-)
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> Actually, I suggested muscles quite some time ago. They would basically be
> bones with 2 or more pinning points which could be pinned to different
> objects.

Bones that could change in X, Y, and Z size independently with the optional
ability to conserve mass might be perfect for animating muscles.

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I would advise against using an A2091 in any A4000's.  In general, most
A4000 machines have heat problems when loaded with expansion boards/
hard drives (as most Toaster 4000 system are) and the A2091 board just
makes the situation much worse due to it's poor design.  BTW, if anyone
has not heard about our new program called Pegger I will post a press
release in comp.sys.amiga.announce.  It will be shipping as of the WOC
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First I've got to get this off my chest.  Allan and Stuart are
totally heroic!  Thanks for your help here on the LW list.  Your
product support here (especially Stuart's AREXX scripts) are
second to none.  After having this T4000 for almost a month,
I've finally had time to get into LW 3.0.  Incredible.  I hadn't
really used modeler before (aside from walking people
through a couple of the turorials) and in less than 1 hour I
had created a 60 frame animation of refraction traced crystal
text which is now a screen saver for a touch screen kiosk I
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am doing for the local city college.  The best part, of course
was that I didn't crack the manual open once.  Great job
guys!

OK, after buttering you up, here is my question :-)  I started
today on comps for an animated video I contracted some
time back.  I am taking still art for the client's book, grabbing
it with the toaster, cutting out the figures with Toasterpaint
(surrounding them with 000 black), and then planar mapping
them on rectangular objects, using the clip function to trim

them (I know transparency would work and probably render
faster, but I am using shadow maps).

First question.  The manual mentions clip levels.  Is there a
way to adjust the clip level used by clip map?  It is
somewhere higher than Luminance 0, as I was loosing
shaded areas of the characters until I used AdPro to create a
2 color clip map.  Not too much hastle, but if I could cut down
the clip level, I'd like to avoid that extra step.

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In order to cut down the number of frames rendered, I plan to
combine both anim's played back from the switcher (avoiding
an extra tape generation for Single Frame recording) and
stills animated by wipes and dissolves.  I've noticed that the
liminance of the anims playing back off the AGA chipset is a
bit higher than the frame buffers, and is apparently not
mactched by AutoHue.  Is there an adjustment I can make to
get frame matching between the AGA display and the
framebuffers?  I realize that since the AGA display isn't true
24 bit, it wouldn't ever exactly match, but I'd like to get it
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closeer than it is.  Does LightWave use a fixed 256,000 color
pallete for anims on the switcher, or is that palette
dynamically chosen from the 24 bit colors available to the
AGA chipset?

And just out of curiosity.....
I noticed that the 'About' button in modeler claims copyright
under Stuart's name, rather than NewTek.  Are you a
seperate sub-contractor Stuart?  The manual, of course
(introduction, Page 2) says that the software is copyrighted
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by Commodore, rather than NewTek.  This is right below the
explanation of how the Limited 'lifetime' warranty only lasts
for 1 year.  I guess the legal department isn't as sharp as you
guys in development :-)

Thanks again for your help...
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Many have been commenting about the recall of the A4091. However I have been
unable to confirm this rumor: my local Atlanta dealers contacted the C= dealer
support line and nothing is known about a recall. So who is recalling the
board? How do you get it replaced? Fixed? Refunded? I wouldn't be suprised if
it was the source of all my current headaches! But what to do? Please help a
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Regarding the device for allowing multisync monitors to work with
the Video Toaster.

The Sync Strainer is manufactured by PreVue Technologies and is not
the promised Commodore version.  I talked with Commodore's SMG and
they stated that the Dongle is in production in the Phillipines, but
that it will be 6 to 8 weeks before we see them. No pricing yet.

Since I have a 1960, I need the 15 pin version and I don't want a
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seems kinda high... but I suspect the market will support it.

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On Aug 25, George (George Goble) wrote:

>
> Does anybody know if it is possible to make a simple B & W image
> in CG of a title in some fancy font, black background, white
> letters, no drop shadows, etc.. then save it in a framestore..
> and somehow get this into LW3 modeler and have it turned into
> an "object" which can be manipulated?  It would have zero depth
> at first, but easily fixed once "imported" into modeler..
> Layout can read in a framestore "image", but only use it for
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> backgrounds, etc... modeler can bring this image in to go
> on the layout grid, but it cannot make an object out of it..
> THe T4000 manual implies you have to trace it out by HAND!
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> ANy 3rd party software out there which can read a T4000 framestore
> format file, and generate an "object" on LW/modeler  format?
> Thanks in advance..
> --ghg
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Hi George,

I guess there is a few different ways of going about this..

    1. Convert the framestore to an RGB (IFF) in ToasterPaint
       Then import this bitmap into Interchange or PixelPro
       either of which will give you a 2D 3D object.  Then
       extrude this in Modeler and you have your 3D object.

    2. Not sure how this works but it should save you massive
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       time.  Instead of doing the CG thing and all, you should
       be able to use the same PS fonts that the CG is using,
       in LightWave.  This way you wont have a ton of cleanup
       to do on your object.  But I have no idea how you would
       go about this.  Mark?

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I saw a previous post where it was mentioned that a child object
is not affected by the bones of its parent- that is a crucial problem-
How can you get around that?

For example, in doing a bottle with a label on it, I had a separate
label objects so I could make a flat label and a curved one, then
morph the flat into the curved at 100% so the brush map would be
curved correctly.  But if I want to make the bottle jump around, do
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Also, another problem I've run into is when I need to apply a displacement
map to just part of an object.  In this case, I am making a bar chart
of cylinders which grow up to certain values.  I want the tops to
ripple like its a tube being filled with water.  A bump map doesn't look
right.

You CAN use an A2091 with a 4000, but any RAM in it would be unreliable.
The tremendous speed problem can be fixed with a program called MapBoard.
It will increase the speed by five or six times (back up to relative
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With LightWave 3's modeler I wouldn't even THINK about saving a CG page,
and taking it to Pixel Pro.  In modeler, there is a nifty new button that
says 'Text'.  Click on it, and you get a requester.  Type in the text
you want, and select the font (from the CG's PS fonts).  There are additional
buttons to load and remove fonts from modelers "font book" (they don't call it
that, but it keeps them loaded like CG).  And there are additional Sharp/
buffered buttons to choose wether or not you want extra vertices.

 From there you can extrude, bevel, etc. with the other modeler tools.  I
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buttons, and it probably took me at least 2 to three time longer to look it
up in the book than it took me to figure it out, by just trying it, the
first time I used it.  Yet another example of great work on Stuart's part.

Be seeing you...
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    Organization: Maverick International, Inc. (Mukilteo, WA)
    From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bagley)
    To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
    Subject: Toaster Multisync Dongle

    Regarding the device for allowing multisync monitors to work with
    the Video Toaster.

    The Sync Strainer is manufactured by PreVue Technologies and is not
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    they stated that the Dongle is in production in the Phillipines, but
    that it will be 6 to 8 weeks before we see them. No pricing yet.

    Since I have a 1960, I need the 15 pin version and I don't want a
    dongle on my dongle (i.e. 9 to 15 pin adapter).  Also, the price
    seems kinda high... but I suspect the market will support it.

    I'll have to think about waiting 3 weeks for PreVue's 15 pin version,
    or 6-8 weeks for Commodore's version.  Pricing from Commodore will
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I got one of these.. dongle on a dongle and it works fine.. they
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> a child object is not affected by the bones of its parent
> But if I want to make the bottle jump around, do
> I have to have two sets of identical bones?

Can you break the animation into parts so that the label is a seperate
object when you do your morphs, but part of the bottle when you are not.
Presumably, there is no need to have the label follow the deformation
of the dancing bottle while you are morphing the label. Otherwise, two
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> Also, another problem I've run into is when I need to apply a displacement
> map to just part of an object.  In this case, I am making a bar chart
> of cylinders which grow up to certain values.  I want the tops to
> ripple like its a tube being filled with water.

Make the top a seperate object that is a child of the tube object. Or you
can use texture falloff to control the area effected. If seperate objects
are used and a noticable gap is created, you may need to play with
overlapping the surfaces and using some sort of transparent fade or a
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>Imagine raytraces every pixel.  Raytracing is an expensive render algorithm.
>Lightwave, being a scanline renderer, will always be faster than Imagine
>when all other things are equal.  Even when you have something that needs
>raytraced, which should only be for refractions or special true reflections
>IMHO, Lightwave's adaptive raytracing will give it the performance edge.
>Imagine's scanline renderer is not worth discussing.
Agreed. In LW2.0, though, some ray-tracings seems to take just too long
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>Lightwave's current '040 support is spectacular.  I moved to a 28Mhz '040
>from a 25Mhz '030.  Various performance tools showed this machine to be
>4 times faster.  A few test scenes showed Lightwave to be atleast 8 times
>faster in rendering.  You can't complain about that!
Who did? :) Very strange the '040 support of REAL3DV2 is said to be ineffecti-
ve... let's see Imagine 3.0.

>> I think the only thing Lightwave saves me from is from the long time I have
>> to take to position my objects in a restrictive 3view-positioning way (the
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>> same 3DS uses).
> This is where I think Lightwave really shines and not a lot of people talk
>about it.  It takes a VERY short amount of time to set something up in
>Lightwave that ends up looking pretty darn good when rendered.
To-ta-lly agreed! That's exactly the point! In fact I think LW-only people
get so used to this, that think every single program does the same! Hah!
What if they just try to play a bit with 3D Studio or Imagine...
Something that I'd like oppinions about is the Layout movement/rotation
interface. It seems to me that Caligari exceeds Lightwave in this point.
The better approach I've seen it's the Imagine one. The 'locale' setting
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is marvelous, no matter how complicated is your camera positioning you
can move it away of the object it's viewing without the need of it being
targeted to avoid it 'getting out of center' while the move is being done.
As you later point out, LW's target system is too radical: It's a target or
it's not. Caligari does something similar, with its 'screen' movement,
but it's not as good as Imagine's since it's not well suited for objects.

>-I miss the interactive way of editing splines.  Nothing is easer than
>selecting a knot and rotating it and moving it, etc.  Lightwave's current
>method of having to type in tension, continuity, and bias numbers is not
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>very intuitive.  The new motion graph helps A LOT, but it is still a trial and
Oh... it's like that? I gotta say I'm disappointed. No way we can translate
Imagine splines to LW's ones? What about TTDDD? Anyway, Imagine's is very
good with it's splines, but I alway's think it's hard to set a knot in a cur-
ve that's 90 degrees. In that point I think Real3DV2's way is the absolute
best in the Amiga arena. But if I'm not wrong, 3DS even allow you to freehand
draw the curve and he automatically sets the points/curves. Or it's Real? Hm...

>I got back.  This could possibly be solved through AREXX, but I don't know.
Hmm... I think so. I could try if I had LWPro... something interesting to re-
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mind here is that I can set 3 or more animations to be rendered by Imagine
(or Real) since they're fully multi-tasking, I can run lots of copies of the
programs and set each of them to render a different program. How about LWPro?

>-I miss the Cycle Editor.  Sure you can setup a hierarchy in LW and
>create cycle motions using the End Behavior of a motion, but for some reason
>I just always felt more productive in Imagine's cycle editor.
Yeah. And the action control of cycles it's superb, with acceleration/deacce-
leration number of frames (wasn't someone having problems with that in LW? :)
and keep a cycle running as a part of the object, so you can move the object
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a snap to set a fighter or a chopper taking off with this.)

>-I miss the F/X.  Very powerful and underused aspect of Imagine.
>now has AREXX hooks to allow for the manipulation of objects at the vertice
>level within a scene which in the end is a better way
Totally agreed again!

>-I desperately miss being able to have the camera track an object for
>only _part_ of the anim and multiple objects at different times within the
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>anim.  With Lightwave you have to set the target, render those frames, set
>the new target, render those frames, or just not use the convient target
>method of aiming the camera.
Yeah, that's a serious problem that should've been solved with the timeline
editor. The method I use in LW2.0 is to target the camera to a null object;
I save the motion of the object I want targetted for a while and load it for
the null object; and simply modify the keys I want. Simple, but could be sim-
pler. Allen?

>-I miss the tri-view... on RARE occasions.
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Well, I don't really... but it should be an option, it's not that hard, IMHO.

>-I miss the objects local axis being displayed, sort of.
Hmm, now THIS is VERY important! Why modeller have to assume the object's
axis is in the same as the coordinates center? We should see that! And move
the axis in the Layout it is very needed, mainly in targetting occasions,
since the target is, in fact, the object's axis. Something to thing about.

>-I missed magnetism... but bones is far more powerful now.
Sure. :)
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>are impressive, but unfortunately, Impulse has position Imagine to constantly
>play catchup with Lightwave.  I'm sure a lot of this is due to NewTek's
In fact, the new EssenceII's textures will be SOMETHING, I guess. Let's see.

>Oh, I always will be...  I am now in a position with a new business that
>money is what is imporant.  Software loyalty and machine loyalty is now
>meaningless unlike before.
That's what we all should keep in mind. Program's passion won't give us any
money. Being productive will. That's why I insist comparing features. ;)
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> But I just got addicted to Lightwave, what can I do? :)))
>I think you touched on it right here.  Lightwave really is addictive.  Again
>I think it is because it is SO easy to get great results out of it so when you
>have a problem to solve you immediately jump to the new solution.  I kind
>of laugh when I consider that I originally bought the Toaster as a buffer and
>a now-and-then switcher/CG/DVE unit.
>
>             _     ___
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>Watters   ~   ( )-_______-()`-

Great, David. I don't think I could agree MORE with ya! Keep on it, and take
care!

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>        Can I animate child objects using bones if I assign a bone to
>the parent. I placed the bone after assigning object parenting and setting
>up my motion paths. I then placed the bone in the parent object expecting
>the child objects to move as the parent. No luck so far.. any suggestions?

    No.  Currently you cannot parent an object to a bone.  Child
    objects key off the parent objects origin, bones do not affect
    the origin.

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    A few months ago I was testing bones on a similar character, a Milk Jug.
I wanted the jug to look around, hop twice, look back once more, and then hop
into the final product shot.  I first created the jug, and then scanned the milk
texture and cleaned it up.  The bones setup was two bones for the head, one neck and
another 90 degress to obtain the head movements.  The third and last bone was used
in the base of the jug for the hopping animation.  In this particular case, I wanted
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matter if the texture one the jug distorted.  In many cases with products you are not
allowed to distored the product name, or logo but this was just a test thing.  The
final animation worked and look great, a cute little milk jug hopping away.
    In the case of the bottle animation the Marc Rifkin was working on I believe
he was not wanting the texture to strech during the animation.  If this is the case
you probably will have to keyframe a second object so that it appears to be attached
to the bottle.  This is kind of labor intensive, but it does eleminate the problem of
the bones distoring the lable texture.  If the lable is to strech, just slap it on
the bottle as cyn-projection it should work fine.
    The bar charts.  I do think if you play with the bump values a bit more you
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could produce an excellent water texture.  If you really want to try displacement
water on the tops of the bars, then you could try this.  In modeler make your bar
model, the cut of the top surface and paste it into another layer.  Next, subdivide
the surface into a tight mesh.  In Lightwave, parent the top to the bar and then when
the bar grows the top should follow.  Then apply a ripple displacement to the top surface
only in the object menu.  This should do the trick, but you will have to play with the
settings to perfect the effect.
    I hope this helps.  I really enjoy hearing about other animation projects that
people are working on.  I find that the techniques others use are very helpful, to many
and many other animators along with myself.  I don't know what others think about this,
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the better.  I mean most the read this list already have lots of equiptment, (even if
it is a low powered system) you can produce excellent animation.




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                    Colossal Pictures - S.F.
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I am tring to use the boolean subtract function with letters on
a diamond shaped object and when I try the function in starts the 1 of
6 and gets half way and it stops. I left it for an hour and a half and it
still hadn't moved. Whats wrong.
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>I am tring to use the boolean subtract function with letters on
>a diamond shaped object and when I try the function in starts the 1 of
>6 and gets half way and it stops. I left it for an hour and a half and it
>still hadn't moved. Whats wrong.

    Could you be a little (actually, a lot) more descriptive of
    what exactly you are trying to do?

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Brian writes:

>I am tring to use the boolean subtract function with letters on
>a diamond shaped object and when I try the function in starts the 1 of
>6 and gets half way and it stops. I left it for an hour and a half and it
>still hadn't moved. Whats wrong.
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I cut out a World Flat map once! It took around 18 hours to complete. There
is a ton of math to figure out. Seeing as you are using letters you could
be running into to same problem I had. Not that this is a problem!!

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     Greatings! I'm currently working on a 35mm film using LW, but I've
been coming up against a real rendering wall with Depth of Field. In order
to get maximum realism I've got motion blur, animated dither, and DOF on,
rendering on High Res (Amiga aspect ratio). I'd love to use Print Res, but
since I have to use at least an AA of Medium to get DOF I get killed by all
the multiple passes. I was wondering if any optimization could be has in this
area of LW? Or perhaps I could fake DOF with a very light fog? I'd like to
avoid rendering in 2 layers and compositing in the blurred background. Does
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     Also, I'm curious about LW's 040 support. Does LW use the 68040.library?
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If so, what is the lastest version of the 040.lib? I remember mention on
c.s.a.misc that 040 optimised math*.libs where in the works. Anyone have
additional info on them?

     Thanks and many happy renderings, grasshopper....

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If you find yourself manipulating image sequences as much as I do, you
may find this little ARexx script useful.  It is used as a shell command
preprocessor and allows any shell command to be invoked iteratively on
a series of images.  This makes it easy to do things like:

    Delete images MyFG001 through MyFG030 ...
    cli> seq delete MyFG#30#

    Delete every other image from Imgs001 - Imgs020 ...
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    Rename the remaining images as NewSeq001 - NewSeq010 ...
    cli> seq rename Imgs#1,20,2# NewSeq#

Have fun ...

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/*
 * SEQ -- Command Sequence Processor
 *
 * This takes a shell command with special pattern codes embedded in it
 * and issues a sequence of shell commands generated by filling in the
 * patterns.  This allows for one-line processing of a sequence of files
 * such as LightWave image sequences.
 *
 * Some examples:
 *
Command:
 *    CLI> seq copy abc#30# abc#.bku
 *    copy abc001 abc001.bku
 *    copy abc002 abc002.bku
 *     ...
 *    copy abc030 abc030.bku
 *
 *    CLI> seq rename img#1,20,2# ximg#3,10#
 *    rename img001 ximg003
 *    rename img003 ximg004
 *    rename img005 ximg005
Command:
 *     ...
 *    rename img017 ximg011
 *    rename img019 ximg012
 *
 * It takes the command line and breaks it up into words.  Each word
 * can contain a sequence pattern which will be expanded into a sequence
 * of words with numbers replacing the pattern code.  The codes can be
 * in the following forms:
 *
 *      pattern form          start    end     step
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 *      ------------          -----    ---     ----
 *     #            1    1    1
 *     #N#            1    N    1
 *     #K,N#            K    N    1
 *     #K,N,S#        K    N    S
 *
 * Any word without a pattern is just a constant which gets repeated
 * in each iteration.  The total number of iterations for the combined
 * command is the MAXIMUM number of elements in any sequence.
 *
Command:
 * If the command line is preceded by a hyphen (i.e. "seq -copy ..."),
 * the commands will be generated and displayed but not envoked as
 * shell commands.  This allows you to test a complex pattern before
 * letting it work on real files.
 *
 * This should be placed in the "S:" directory and have its script bit
 * set to work as indicated in the above examples.
 *
 * 7/93        Stuart Ferguson
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call addlib("rexxsupport.library",0,-30,0)

/* Get command line from shell.
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parse arg cmdline

/* Look for leading hyphen to see if this is a real command.
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Command:
forreal = 1
cmdline = strip(cmdline)
if (left(cmdline, 1) = '-') then do
    forreal = 0
    cmdline = strip(substr(cmdline,2))
end

/* Get number of words on command line.
 */
narg = words(cmdline)
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if (narg < 1) then exit 10

/* Convert each word into sequence form and get the max sequence size
 * as the number of iterations.
 */
iter = 1
do i=1 to narg
    templ.i = namebreak(word(cmdline,i))
    iter = max(iter, namecount(templ.i))
end i
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/* Generate a new command line by expanding each sequence pattern into
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do k=1 to iter
    cmd = ""
    do i=1 to narg
    cmd = cmd || iname(k,templ.i) || ' '
    end i

Command:
    say cmd
    if (forreal) then address command cmd
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exit



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 * NameBreak converts a pattern word into a sequence descriptor.  The
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 * descriptor consists of five words: name pattern, number of digits,
 * start index, step, end index.  Pattern is a word with a '*' in it
 * where the number will go.
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NAMEBREAK: procedure
    parse arg name

    /* Find first pattern marker.  If none, this is a constant sequence.
     */
    p1 = pos('#',name)

    if (p1 = 0) then return name || "* 0 1 1 1"

    /* Find second pattern marker, if any.
     */
    p2 = pos('#',name,p1+1)
    if (p2 = 0) then p2 = p1

    /* Split out head and tail sections.  If no second pattern marker,
     * just set defaults.
     */
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    head = substr(name,1,p1-1)
    tail = substr(name,p2+1)
    pat = head || "*" || tail
    if (p1 = p2) then return pat 3 1 1 1

    /* Parse sequence numbers.  Step defaults to 1.  Start defaults to 1.
     */
    larg = substr(name,p1+1,p2-p1-1)
    parse var larg n0 ',' n1 ',' step
    if (step = "") then step = 1
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    if (n1 = "") then do
    n1 = n0
    n0 = 1
    end

    return pat 3 n0 step n1


/*
 * NameCount takes a sequence descriptor and returns the number of elements
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 * defined by the sequence.
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NAMECOUNT: procedure
    arg pat ndig n0 step n1 .
    return (n1 - n0 + step) % step


/*
 * IName takes an index and sequence descriptor and returns the name
 * generated for the given index.
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INAME: procedure
    parse arg i, pat ndig n0 step .
    parse var pat head '*' tail
    num = right(n0 + step * (i - 1), ndig, 0)
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    I have been having so much fun with animated previews, that
I hadn't tried a Medium Res Overlay.  Seems that I can't get
the Medium Res Overlay to execute properly.  Not sure if the
problem is in the rendering/anim file, or the switcher.
    The Switcher will acknowledge that the rendered preview is
there.  It appears to successfully load it in.  Then I press the
space bar to Auto the effect; no change.  The Switcher RGB screen
goes black, but no change to the Program Bus.
    Newtek support (yes I got through, first try) claimed that
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animated previews only worked over inputs 1-4.  I bet I didn't
communicate my question well enough, as I have successfully
overlayed the Overlay.scn (pre built scene standard with T4000 & LW3.0)
on top of both 24bit DVE channels.  This is the only Overlay Preview
the I have found to work.  (Specifically this is the Channel XXIII
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    I then studied the Overlay.scn, as I may have missed a rendering
option -- didn't find anything the manual left out.

    Cutting to the chase, here's the application:
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    I have a client logo.  It is Holiday Tree Farms.  The words
Tree Farms are point fitted under the word Holiday.  Holiday,
has a specific feature in their logo:  a five point star.  Instead of
"dotting the i" in Holiday, they have a star in it's place.  The star is a
pale yellowish-gold.
    The concept is to use Lightwave's Lens Flare feature and
have this star flash.  The client's logo is loaded into the Background
Effects menu. I have a point light placed exactly over the star (camera view).
Using Lens Flare's envelope, I have the flare reflection change over the
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    The final compositing looks great!   Their budget keeps
them resricted to Ham8, as opposed to going to Betacam.
    Now, the trick is to either 1:  Generate this whole
effect with a animated preview, and then add other elements
with Lightwave (client address & such); or 2:  Take
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the Highlight effect produced by the lense flare.  This would
leave the address info for the Toaster's CG.
    I would prefer to use option #2, as it gives me more
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    Responces appreciated.  I would love to hear your experiences
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> Or perhaps I could fake DOF with a very light fog? I'd like to
> avoid rendering in 2 layers and compositing in the blurred background. Does
> changing the focal length or f-stop effect the rendering time greatly?

I don't think the fog will accomplish what you are looking for. The multi
layered approach you are looking to avoid is actually the best method I
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> The 'locale' setting [in Caligari] is marvelous, no matter how complicated
> is your camera positioning you can move it away of the object it's viewing
> without the need of it being targeted to avoid it 'getting out of center'
> while the move is being done.

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If I understand what you are saying, this has been fixed in LW. Camera and
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> >-I miss the interactive way of editing splines.
> Oh... it's like that? I gotta say I'm disappointed.

As has been posted by others, spline editing is simpler than Dave originally
thought. In addition, you can freehand sketch spline paths in Modeler and
import them into LW as motions files. The same can be done in reverse as well.

> something interesting to remind here is that I can set 3 or more animations
> to be rendered by Imagine (or Real) since they're fully multi-tasking, I can
> run lots of copies of the programs and set each of them to render a different
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> program. How about LWPro?

I don't consider this useful because it doesn't gain you anything. In fact,
with all the contingency for common resources, its very likely that several
simultaneous renders will take longer than running them seperately one after
the other. It is a trivial task to automate this with an Arexx script. However,
running Modeler while LW does rendering with a lower task priority could be
very useful. Small terminolgy note: there is no LWPro, only LW 3.0.

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LW will render to a "ANIM" file (low res), which the switcher can
play back in real time, 30 FPS on the T4000.  I have 12 megs of Ram
free.. and the switcher can load and display approx the first 4 sec
of the animation ok.. which is approx 12 megs worth'.

Is there any way to tell the switcher to load an ANIM file, and
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LW can render into RGB and "image" files also.. and these appear to
create one file on disk per frame.. is there any way tell the
switcher to load a 30 FPS animation from one of these file types
instead of an ANIM file?   It just seems to load one frame on
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>>A little while back someone posted info about doing this in imagine.  They
>>had a problem though.  I am not sure if it was in vista, or SA, but when he
>>compoesd his final animation, he noticed jumps in the landscape.  This was
>>because the program (either SA or Vista) was using integer math for all it's
>>position calculations.

>>bill.

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 Someone suggested getting makepath from the people who make Vistapro...
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>You CAN use an A2091 with a 4000, but any RAM in it would be unreliable.
>The tremendous speed problem can be fixed with a program called MapBoard.
>It will increase the speed by five or six times (back up to relative
>normal HD speed).
Yeah, Marc, I know watcha mean. I use an A2091 in my A4000, but only the
2Megs in it, since my A2091 ROMs seem to conflict with my SCSI HD and the
A4k. And it *IS* very unreliable, mainly with ADPro, since it doesn't seem
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>I am tring to use the boolean subtract function with letters on
>a diamond shaped object and when I try the function in starts the 1 of
>6 and gets half way and it stops. I left it for an hour and a half and it
>still hadn't moved. Whats wrong.
>[e-mail]

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work. It often hangs the machine up without warning (release 2). Could that
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Jamie Krutz write:
> want to be able to do a 3D scan of a patient's foot, then identify some key
> points on the model and move them in such a way that the rest of the points
> follow in a natural sculpting way, then they want to be able to manufacture a
> physical model of the changed foot.

No one responded to this so I'll just tell ya what little I know. Since you
are dealing with hospital patients, you would probably want your foot scan
to be quick and non-contact. The Cyberware scanners are perhaps one of your
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manufactures that are targetted at the medical world that are much more
expensive. You will have to talk to Cyberware about whether or not you need
an accompanying SGI box to run it. The Cyberware software can output in
Wavefront format which LW can read. Once the model is converted to LW format,
you can accomplish your foot modifications either with Bones in LW or the
Magnet tool in Modeler. Once you have your finished model, there are several
service bureaus that can take a 3D CG model and create a solid physical
object. Most of these bureaus take common formats like DXF. You can use
InterChange Plus to do the LW -> DXF conversion. Sorry, I don't have any
contacts for the above mentioned service bureaus, but I have seen them listed
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>     Greatings! I'm currently working on a 35mm film using LW, but I've
>been coming up against a real rendering wall with Depth of Field. In order
>to get maximum realism I've got motion blur, animated dither, and DOF on,
>rendering on High Res (Amiga aspect ratio). I'd love to use Print Res, but
    (deleted ambitious plans.....)

>     I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has put animation onto
>film about their experiences.

    Me too. Chris, how are you planning to get to 35mm?
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>>       Could you be a little (actually, a lot) more descriptive of
>>       what exactly you are trying to do?
>I've got three words of  a companies name. It word is to the right and
>lower then the last. The diamond shape is a plaque. The diamond
>shape has enough room for all the words and it has a beveled edge. I
>did a boolean subtract in toaster 3.0 version of software....
>what else do you need?

    Try doing a subset of the subtraction operation, one word
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Greetings,

I have a few questions & problems that I'd appreciate some help with...

Is there any way(s) to get a (VistaPro).DEM file into LW or Modeler?

Can relection maps be re-sized/skewed from LW 3.x? I'm currently using 2.0
and have to use ADPro for scaling/perspective altering when I'm finetuning
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Does the material editor (3.x) now offer a realtime preview (ala 3D Studio)
of surfaces?  Please please please someone say yes...

I've read/heard about the new rail extrudes, do they enable you to extrude
to a target shape/object as well as along a path?  ie. Extrude/Morph a logo
along the z axis with a flareup inbetween.  For that big fat rounded look,
sorta hip/hop 70's rave stuff...  A flat front, rounded smooth sides, to a
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I already have a sizable collection of high quality Postscript fonts, and
don't forsee using any of the Newtek lic. fonts.  How compatible is the
new Modeler with PC or Mac format fonts?  Will it take both standard and
256 encoded fonts? Anyone have it choke on any complex fonts from their own
supply?

I had a "overwhelming" demo of T4000, and liked what I saw, but
unfortunately the dealers were only well versed in the video aspects, and
as such, I was left with these questions. As well as several more which I
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won't remember until after this post. :)

Lastly, I'd like to finally go sans flicker by ways of a flatscreen 15 inch
monitor, and I'm looking for advice as to what de-interlacer to get.  I
have a 2000 with a PPS 28 040 w/16 megs installed, Quantam 525meg SCSI &
Seagate 84meg SCSI, and 2 DPS TBC III's.  I plan on dumping the 2 TBC III's
for 1 TBC IV and a PAR board in the very near (who needs groceries?)
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>>Is there any way(s) to get a (VistaPro).DEM file into LW or Modeler?

 I'm not shure about 3.0, but with 2.0 I used Aladdin4D, it allows a direct read of the dem and then allows
 export to a geo file.
  A more practical and cost effective way would be to purchase Interchange Plus.
 This allows many different conversions (Vista pro, Turbo, Imagine,... Etc) as well as provideing interfont, a
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  I believe it's around $99 (but don't expect me to make up the difference if I'm wrong :') .

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> Jamie Krutz write:
> > want to be able to do a 3D scan of a patient's foot, then identify some key
> > points on the model and move them in such a way that the rest of the points
> >follow in a natural sculpting way, then they want to be able to manufacture a
> > physical model of the changed foot.
>
> No one responded to this so I'll just tell ya what little I know.

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number of service bureaus that will 3D laser scan objects for you.  So
if you don't want to eat the cost of a laser scanner, simply detach the
foot, pack it in ice, and send it to one of these companies to be scanned.
You could do either that or ship them the patient, but if you do that, for
God's sake don't forget the airholes.  I did that one... what a mess.

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> As has been posted by others, spline editing is simpler than Dave originally
> thought. In addition, you can freehand sketch spline paths in Modeler and
> import them into LW as motions files. The same can be done in reverse as well.

Correct.  I have since used both methods of creating motion paths in a shape
I was looking for.

Now if I can get seperate splines for each aspect of position and orientation
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> It is a trivial task to automate this with an Arexx script.

This is very true.  Don't let this ability slip by you just because you
are affraid of what is involved or you are not the AREXX God.  At the
end of the lightwave arexx doc which is in the arexx examples directory
is a small script that renders two scenes.  It is extremely trivial to
modify this script to render two or more scenes automatically even if you
don't know a single AREXX command.

> However,
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> very useful.

Just buy another machine Mark. :)  Seriously, I agree that a more detached
rendering engine would be great allowing you to not only use modeler, but
maybe one that lets you work within lightwave itself, setting up another
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    > You CAN use an A2091 with a 4000, but any RAM in it would be unreliable.
    > The tremendous speed problem can be fixed with a program called MapBoard.
    > It will increase the speed by five or six times (back up to relative
    > normal HD speed).
    > Yeah, Marc, I know watcha mean. I use an A2091 in my A4000, but only the
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    > 2Megs in it, since my A2091 ROMs seem to conflict with my SCSI HD and the
    > A4k. And it *IS* very unreliable, mainly with ADPro, since it doesn't seem
    > to like uncontiguous memory chunks, and keeps crashing. Poor me...
    > As to this program, where can I find it?

    > Breno.

    I used Archie to search the servers, and could not find a shareware/freeware item
    called MapBoard.  However, I did find A2981T13.lha at uceng.uc.edu in directory
    /pub/wuarchive/systems/amiga/aminet/hard/drivr.  This patches dos.library and uses
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    test it seemed to hang during the read.

    I've also had problems using the A2091 with T4000/A4000. Attempts to access the
    Framestore on the SCSI sometimes cause the Toaster to hang and eventually crash.
    When I moved the frames to the IDE drive, the problem seemed to disappear.  In
    retrospect, I'm not positive the problem is strictly related to A2091Turbo. In
    any event, I'm very careful about accessing large files through the A2091.

    Has anyone had any experience with ICD's Trifecta board? It was supposed to have
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    Paul Palmer
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> Is there any way(s) to get a (VistaPro).DEM file into LW or Modeler?

Sure.  Vista can save landscapes in TurboSilver/Imagine format. (I don't
remember which specifically).

These can then be imported into Lightwave in a number of ways.  I believe
the 3.0 TIO modules include Imagine object loading.
Or Interchange+ can help out.

> Does the material editor (3.x) now offer a realtime preview (ala 3D Studio)
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> of surfaces?  Please please please someone say yes...

YES!  Now the answer to the question is no, sadly.

> Lastly, I'd like to finally go sans flicker by ways of a flatscreen 15 inch
> monitor, and I'm looking for advice as to what de-interlacer to get.  I
> have a 2000 with a PPS 28 040 w/16 megs installed, Quantam 525meg SCSI &
> Seagate 84meg SCSI, and 2 DPS TBC III's.  I plan on dumping the 2 TBC III's
> for 1 TBC IV and a PAR board in the very near (who needs groceries?)
> future.  Please share your success & horror stories of de-interlacing.
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I believe you would have to use the Flicker-Free-Video product or find a
Denise Exterder Board from the Flicker Fixer people since the Toaster will
be eating the Video Slot.  Or you could look into one of the Video Slot
expansion boxes that seem to be popping up.

Or you could buy Commodore's SCSI-II FAST based AGA machine with built in
deinterlacing, 2 video ports, and 5 or more Zorro III slots.  Oh I forgot,
the 4000 came up a TAD short and the 4000T is being shipped into the Bramuda
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> Thanking you in advance for any and all info,

ANY info?  I had pizza for lunch yesterday.

(Somebody take the keyboard away from me!)

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> Is there any way to tell the switcher to load an ANIM file, and
> start the playback (or loading point) someplace in the middle,
> so one could "play" whatever their RAM held, then load the next
> segment, play that, etc, etc??

Unless I am mistaken, you will need (and probably would want) to do this
manually or with an AREXX script. ie. Render the first 4sec into an anim
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> LW can render into RGB and "image" files also.. and these appear to
> create one file on disk per frame..

Correct.

> is there any way tell the
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> instead of an ANIM file?

No.

>  It just seems to load one frame on
> these types..  Thanks in advance..

Correct.  Image files are IFF-24 (24bit) files.  These are not animateable (If
that is a word) buy the Amiga.  T4000 anim files are HAM8 delta compressed
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on).  These are 8 bitplanes screens which are animateable by an AGA machine.

This seems like a good time for a plug...

I can not recomend the DPS PAR enough for this kind of thing.  In so many
ways it is just like playing back a RAM anim (except faster and at a
consistant rate) that has 0 sec load time (well... milliseconds maybe :)).
As I have mentioned before, I did a 1 minute anim with the DPS and it was
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and it is even better than a laserdisk for random access of clips when in
a demo situation.

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While this doesn't directly concern you all, someone out there might get
inspired to write a show*.c file or an output creator for the package.  Then
we could compare performance of the commercial renderers and ray tracers out
there a bit easier.


Announcing an enhanced Standard Procedural Databases package.

Alexander Enzmann and Eduard Schwan took the SPD package (which, as you may
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ton of code to it.  The new code now outputs to these formats:

    NFF (used by MTV ray tracer; but the SPD always output using this)
    POV-Ray 1.0
    Polyray v1.4, v1.5
    Vivid 2.0
    Rayshade
    RTrace 8.0.0
    Art 2.3
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    PLG format for use with "rend386"
    Raw triangle output

It can also output the models as line drawings to the screen for previewing:
IBM, Mac, and HPUX drivers are provided, and new drivers are trivial to write
(i.e. draw a line).

There is also a program, showdxf, which will convert or display DXF files
(actually, a limited subset of these - just 3DFACE entities).  There are two
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There's also a sample code file which can be used as a template for writing
your own output programs.  What's nice about this package is that by writing a
program representing your model (or interpreting your model as input a la
showdxf.c), you can then convert it to a wide number of formats.  I'd love to
see more show*.c interpreters (e.g. one for Wavefront obj format so that the
cool Viewpoint models at avalon.chinalake.navy.mil can be converted) and other
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I did some polishing and whatnot to the distribution and have placed the whole
thing at weedeater.math.yale.edu's /incoming directory as SPDup31.tar.Z and
SPDup31.zip .  Hopefully I didn't futz things too badly (I suspect there needs
to be some file renaming for the Mac version), but let me know if I did.
Anyway, I hope that the permanent home of the code will be
princeton.edu:/pub/Graphics somewhere.

Enjoy (I certainly did!),

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unopened version. The disks are in the sealed plastic. I will
sell to the best offer over $500. Cheap, huh? Better hurry!


Tim Salazar
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Mark Thompson writes:
>Jamie Krutz write:
>> want to be able to do a 3D scan of a patient's foot, then identify some key
>> points on the model and move them in such a way that the rest of the points
>> follow in a natural sculpting way, then they want to be able to manufacture
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>> physical model of the changed foot.
>
>No one responded to this so I'll just tell ya what little I know. Since you

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I was wondering if the post had made it to the list.  Thanks for your
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>are dealing with hospital patients, you would probably want your foot scan
>to be quick and non-contact. The Cyberware scanners are perhaps one of your
>best bets for this. They are not cheap but then there are other scanner

Can you give me any contact information for Cyberware?

>Magnet tool in Modeler. Once you have your finished model, there are several
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>object. Most of these bureaus take common formats like DXF. You can use

Does anyone have contact information for such a place?  Also, for this
hospital, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to buy the necessary
equipment to create their own models.  Does anyone know of a source for
equipment that can create a physical model in clay, foam, plastic or whatever
from 3D computer data?

>in the backs of magazines before. Hope this helps Jamie.
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Yes, thanks again Mark!

Best,
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+-- [e-mail] (Bruce Martin) wrote:
| Is there any way(s) to get a (VistaPro).DEM file into LW or Modeler?

I did this once.  Interchange Plus got pretty far along before it
decided that it could not create the LightWave file because it would
have been too big.  Fortunately VistaPro can output the landscape as
a Turbo Silver object, respecting the polygon size setting and letting
you clip out a subregion.  Interchange Plus could cope with that, but
the colors are really junky, so plan on mapping it manually in LW.
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| Can relection maps be re-sized/skewed from LW 3.x? I'm currently using 2.0
| and have to use ADPro for scaling/perspective altering when I'm finetuning
| a scene and find it TIME-consuming switching back & forth 'tween test
| renders...  Is there any difference in reflection mapping between 2.0 and
| 3.x?

Reflection mapping now has an "Image Seam Angle," which lets the reflection
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| Does the material editor (3.x) now offer a realtime preview (ala 3D Studio)
| of surfaces?  Please please please someone say yes...

No.

| I've read/heard about the new rail extrudes, do they enable you to extrude
| to a target shape/object as well as along a path?  ie. Extrude/Morph a logo
| along the z axis with a flareup inbetween.  For that big fat rounded look,
| sorta hip/hop 70's rave stuff...  A flat front, rounded smooth sides, to a
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| flat back.

Extrusions do not morph between shapes, but you can use any number of
rails to control the shape of the extrusion, so the start shape can
be distorted as the rails snake around.

| I already have a sizable collection of high quality Postscript fonts, and
| don't forsee using any of the Newtek lic. fonts.  How compatible is the
| new Modeler with PC or Mac format fonts?  Will it take both standard and
| 256 encoded fonts? Anyone have it choke on any complex fonts from their own
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| supply?

If you find a type-1 font that Modeler cannot read, please send it to me.
I tried it on fonts from Macs, PC's and Adobe and had no trouble except
when the font did not conform to the published Type-1 standard.  Modeler
does have trouble with some GNU fonts, but that's in work.

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Jeric asks:
>
>| 2) Do the LWM requestors reset back to their default directories when the
>|       user flips back to LAYOUT? (I just checked, they do.)  This is
>|       contra-intuitive and IMHO annoying.
>
>The current design has Modeler as the slave of LightWave, so when you
>enter Modeler it picks up the current directory from LightWave.  I have
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>order.

    I'd like it if the FIRST time you invoke Modeler it picked up its
    directories from Layout, (possibly the object directory used most
    often for that scene) but subsequently used whatever directories the
    user explicitly asked for.
>
>| 3) Is there a way to reverse the state of selected-vs-unselected points
>|       and polygons? (AREXX here I guess.)
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>Nope.  It's "On The List."

    Is "OTL" the bug fix or down the road?


>
>| 4) I just spent all day creating morphing objects.  [...]
>|       A)  After placing critical points, is there even a theoretical
>|           methodology of automagically getting all the rest of the
>|           points to conform to the target shape?
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>You might try using bones as a modeling tool.  They do essentially what
>you ask for -- take a key point and move it, moving nearby points to
>a greater or lesser degree depending on other bones.  You can save the
>results with "Save Transformed."  If you can't do what you want with
>the high level of control that bones give, I can't imagine any automatic
>algorithm that could get anything even halfway acceptable.

    Let me expand on this:  I had a logo, a stylized swan in four pieces.
    The top "head &neck" piece resembled a question mark, so it was a
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    were (at least) four critical vertices:

    What I wanted to have happen was that the tip-of-the-beak vertex would be
    the rightmost lozenge vertex.  The two midpoints that crossed where
    the lozenge shape was didn't move, and the bottom of the neck&head
    corresponded to the leftmost lozenge vertice.

    To accomplish this, I loaded the swan head&neck into layer 1, the
    lozenge into layer 2.  Then, by hand, I moved the critical vertices,
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    In a perfect world, I'd assign the critical vertices, and the software
    would distribute the remaining vertices to correspond to the target
    shape.

    Of course, since the target object was a recurve, I had to also
    construct intermediate morph targets so that the polygon didn't fold
    over itself on the way to its morph destination.

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>|       B)  Is there a way to evenly distribute points along a line?
>
>Not sure what you mean by this.

    This question arose from the above situation.  When I had many many
    points on one horizontal line, it would have been nice to automatically
    distribute those points evenly along the line.

>
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>|       C)  Is there a way to (easily) change the order of the point
>|           list in a given polygon?
>
>Well, there's "Flip."  :-)  What do want this for?

    In the construction of these morfing polygons, I got in a bind where
    the target and the source had a different number of points somehow.  I
    was worried the critical points were now in the wrong places.  In
    practice it didn't seem to matter much.  However, it may still be nice
    to have a function where the user can designate which is the FIRST
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 I recieved this product yesterday.
 It is a file system for SCSI tape drives.
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> I was wondering if the post had made it to the list.  Thanks for your
> response!

You didn't value my response??? :)

> Can you give me any contact information for Cyberware?
> Does anyone have contact information for such a place?

The August issue of Computer Graphics World has an article about 3D objects
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and the various firms that produce libraries of objects and do custom work.
There are also a number of ads towards the back for these firms.

> Does anyone know of a source for
> equipment that can create a physical model in clay, foam, plastic or whatever
> from 3D computer data?

I was an exhibitor at the Autofact '92 show which was held in Detroit.  50% of
what was there seemed to be equipment for computer created prototyping.  This
is mostly a CAD/CAM show.  Look in the various CAD/CAM oriented periodicals
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There is a new process where models are built in slices with a vary interesting
process rather than drilling, which allows for very complexx shapes to be
built.  It is, of course, very expensive.

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I would like to sell my Video Toaster 2000 with the 3.0
software upgrade.  I am asking for $1400.00 (or Best
Offer over $13000.00)

If you are interested, please contact:

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> Can you give me any contact information for Cyberware?

Cyberware
8 Harris Court #3D
Monterey, CA 93940
[phone]

> >service bureaus that can take a 3D CG model and create a solid physical
> Does anyone have contact information for such a place?

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I have replied to a number of questions on this list and atleast 50%
of my replies were accurate, so I am now asking for your help... :)

I am putting together some rendering engines.

These, unfortunately, need to be based on 2000s since there are currently
no A3000 '040 boards on the market, the 4000 is a dog, and CBM is too proud
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I am looking for any information on which motherboard revisions to avoid,
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Any information you can send me or a note telling me you want to sell me your
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Can anybody tell me anything about the new bones feature in Lightwave v3.0 ??
I don't have Lightwave 3D or the Toaster. I would like to know how using
multiple bones in an object affects the bending of the object. How does the
program determine which bone(s) affect which vertices, and how much? Does
anybody know how this was implemented? Does anybody have any theories?

I think the Alias has something similar, which they call skeletons.

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21400.3.3.1353 Re: Refl Map + More
9/2/93 13:42 33/ John Foust / Syndesis Corporation <[e-mail]>
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"Stuart H. Ferguson" <[e-mail]> writes:
> I did this once.  Interchange Plus got pretty far along before it
> decided that it could not create the LightWave file because it would

It's easy to do the math, typical DEMs are 258 x 258 grid squares,
which should be represented as triangles since the four corners can
be different elevations.  This means 133,128 triangles.  They can be
larger or smaller, too.  (Also note that Pixel Pro will woof when
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reading anything other than the 258 x 258 size, although ICP handles
all sizes.)

What this problem really needs is a polygon reduction routine.
Several recent Siggraph proceeding cover this technique, also known
as "decimation."  We'll integrate it into ICP in the v4.0 version.
This gives a typical reduction of 70 percent or so, leaving about 40K
polygons in the above terrain.  This is still prohibitive for many
Amigas, although the algorithm has several "tweak" values that could
be adjusted for further reductions with corresponding loss of detail.
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As for colors, Vista DEMs do store info about which colors go to
which elevations, but even if we translated it, it would still make
pretty cheesy looking landscapes unless we interpolated the colors
between elevations, which would lead to eleventy-million surfaces in
LW's lists.  (Hmm.  How about direct-coloring of polygons, guys?)

Many other 3D programs have grid-like entities, an extension beyond
simple polygons.  This gives the renderer more information about the
topology of connected grid facets, as well as consuming much less
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21400.3.3.1354 Medium OVERLAY
9/2/93 17:14 9/ Allan Dickeson <[e-mail]>
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Hello.  Does anyone have any experience with using the medium overlay mode
used to key animations over video in the most recent toaster system.  I
have generated short animations (logos mostly) but have not succeeded in
forcing the playback in the switcher mode to key over either still frames
or incoming TBC corrected video.  Any hints or secrets?
Thanks for any help.
Regards,
Allan Dickeson

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21400.3.3.1355 re:Par plugging, yes !, Painting
9/2/93 19:26 12/ [e-mail] (Kevin Kodama)
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mark thompson writes:
> i am even considering fractal painter on an emplant board...

although this is only tangentally LW related :-) i must slip in a plug form
fractal painter, adobe photoshop, and the wacom tablet- i have used this
combination on a centris 660 AV (2100 bucks !), to manipulate some
LW pics, and am VERY impressed. (i have the AV hooked up thru nullmodem
to my amiga) Let's just say these two programs are my second favorite
programs requiring 2000 dollar dongles :-)
kevin
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21400.3.3.1356 Morphing and Poly Limit, Screamer
9/2/93 19:58 26/ Daryl T. Bartley <[e-mail]>
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Just a couple of quick questions.

I have an anim where I have 7 blob objects that morph into each other to form
a sort of undulating motion (all of this would be solved if I had 3.0, I know
I know)...What I wanted to do was to have a bunch of these things floating past
an access node in a cyberspace-y kinda environ. Main problem is, I keep hitting
the poly limit before I get a decent # of blobs, seeing as I have to have 7 objs
loaded for just one floating blob. I tried working around it by having objects
share morph targets, but it quickly becomes obvius you are looking at the same
morph. Is there a way I can get past this? Layering or something?
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Also, kind of an odd question about the Screamer, not sure if anyone would
know this or not. Does it have normal keyboard and monitor hookups? I mean,
can you use WinNT (not that I _want_ to, it's just a possible shortcut to
shelling out for another PC) as normal? Just curious.

Also, has anyone received their 'screamer info packets' if they called the 800#
to get one? I ordered a 3.0 demo tape and info packet a looooooong time ago and
still nothing..._Is_ there such a thing as a Screamer Information Packet?
(almost forgot the caps, after all its BLAZEMONGER not blazemonger...)

Thanks in advance,

Daryl Bartley
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21400.3.3.1357 Re: Modeling Feet
9/2/93 08:44 19/ [e-mail] (Jamie Krutz)
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[ From    ] David Watters <[e-mail]> writes:

>if you don't want to eat the cost of a laser scanner, simply detach the
>foot, pack it in ice, and send it to one of these companies to be scanned.
>You could do either that or ship them the patient, but if you do that, for
>God's sake don't forget the airholes.  I did that one... what a mess.

Heh.  I'll pass along your suggestion, but they do get cranky at that hospital
when they lose patients.  Makes it hard to bill them... :)

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Seriously, any other suggestions for equipment/software for scanning feet into
3D models, manipulating those models, and then creating a physical model
showing the changes, would be most welcome!

Thanks,
 -Jamie

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21400.3.3.1358 Re: hiding, clipping
9/2/93 11:09 19/ arakis![e-mail] (Chris Hurtt)
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In article  <[e-mail]> Mark Thompson <[e-mail]> writes:
> Breno. [e-mail] writes:

> > Why modeller have to assume the object's
> > axis is in the same as the coordinates center?
>
> In LW3.0, any oject's axis can be moved or rotated. It is refered to as the
> pivot point.

     Something I'd like to see is being able to translate, rotate or scale
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9/2/93 11:21 26/ arakis![e-mail] (Chris Hurtt)
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In article  <[e-mail]> Mark Thompson <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> I don't think the fog will accomplish what you are looking for. The multi
> layered approach you are looking to avoid is actually the best method I
> can think of for reasonable DOF. As for the effect of focal length/f-stop

     Alas, I guess that is the case. Either that or rendering at a lower res.

> on rendering time, from what I know of the method LW uses for DOF, I would
> suspect that this would have no impact (except perhaps in a degenerate case
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     A cursory test confirmed this. I got only marginal differences for
various settings. I found it strange that it DoF took so long in LW, when
way back when Turbo Silver 3.0 had it in a option called Fuzzy. I don't
remember it adding alot to the rendering time, but now that I re-read the
manual it wasn't a true DoF. Just a fog trick similar to what I was musing
over.

     Chris
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21400.3.3.1360 LightWave Config Arexx scripts
9/1/93 00:16 579/ arakis![e-mail] (Chris Hurtt) (Chris Hurtt)
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     Here's 3 Modeler Arexx scripts that'll let you edit your LW-Config
through Modeler's Arexx GUI. It's broken down into 3 programs due to lack
of screen real estate. Currently Modeler only lets you add one gadget per
line. Also, it's not as full-featured as I'd like. For example, to set a
full path, you must type it in, rather than use a GetFile type gadget to
pull up a requestor. To have made it so would have been extremely ackward
for (as far as I can tell, I admit to only skimming the docs for what I
needed) Modeler Arexx doesn't allow for real-time interactive gadgets. Your
gadget selections are only processed after you hit OK/CANCEL. Note: I'm not
slamming Modeler's Arexx port here, in fact I think it's one of the best I've
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seen!
     Also, since LW likes to re-write out the LW-Config file everytime you
exit it I've had to have the scripts write-protect the LW-Config file. This
way LW won't overwrite the changes you just made inside of Modeler. You will
get a little requestor telling you that LW can't write to the file. If I
didn't do this, changes would never take effect. To make them take effect
you also have to unload and reload LW. These only change the files, not the
current state in memory.
     All in all you're asking if they're worth the trouble. Depends. I use
them, but I wrote them. In the future if I get enough free time I may write
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a 2.0 style LW Prefs file that runs on WB. I'll let you all know if I do.
     To use these scripts, just break them up into their various files and
place them inside lwm/
     Also, if you want to be told when the config file is finished saving
(it can be slow under heavy multi-tasking) and want more than the busy
pointer turinging off, look for the line:

/*     NOTIFY(1,'@' || PrgName,'Done!') */

and removed the comments. (the /* and */)
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     Enjoy!

          Chris

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     ConfigButtons.lwm
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/* LW Buttons Config Editor v1.0       Configures File Requestor Gadgets
Command:
   by Chris Hurtt
   Copyright (C) 1993
*/

PrgName = 'LightWave 3.0 Config Editor v1.0'
ModuleName = 'File Requestor Buttons'
File = '/3D/LW-Config'

/* unprotect LW-Config file */

Command:
address command
'protect /3D/LW-Config rwed'

call addlib "LWModelerARexx.port", 0

/* load LW-Config file */

     if (~exists(File)) then DO
          call Error("Could not find LW-Config file.")
     END
Command:

     if ~OPEN('LWConfig', File, 'R') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not open LW-Config file.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= 'LWCO') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END
Command:

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= '0') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

/* read in data */

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name1 Path1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name2 Path2 flab
Command:
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name3 Path3 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name4 Path4 flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ScenesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ObjectsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SurfacesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ImagesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk FramesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk MotionsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk EnvelopesPath flab
Command:
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk PreviewsPath flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SStatus flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk STension flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SZoom flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SBeep flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec2 flab
Command:
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecCommand flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecDelay flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SFirstDelay flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SExpert flab

     if ~CLOSE('LWConfig') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not close LW-Config.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END
Command:

/* Build Interface */

call REQ_BEGIN PrgName

/* build gadgets */

     REQ_ADDCONTROL("",T,ModuleName)
     Button1 =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Button",S,6)
     FullPath1 =    REQ_ADDCONTROL("Path",S,20)
Command:
     Button2 =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Button",S,6)
     FullPath2 =    REQ_ADDCONTROL("Path",S,20)
     Button3 =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Button",S,6)
     FullPath3 =    REQ_ADDCONTROL("Path",S,20)
     Button4 =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Button",S,6)
     FullPath4 =    REQ_ADDCONTROL("Path",S,20)

/* set gadget values */

     call REQ_SETVAL Button1,Name1
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     call REQ_SETVAL FullPath1,Path1
     call REQ_SETVAL Button2,Name2
     call REQ_SETVAL FullPath2,Path2
     call REQ_SETVAL Button3,Name3
     call REQ_SETVAL FullPath3,Path3
     call REQ_SETVAL Button4,Name4
     call REQ_SETVAL FullPath4,Path4

/* done with interface */

Command:
ok = REQ_POST()
if ok = 0 then DO
     call REQ_END
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
     EXIT
END

/* get values of gadgets */

     Name1 = REQ_GETVAL(Button1)
Command:
     Name2 = REQ_GETVAL(Button2)
     Name3 = REQ_GETVAL(Button3)
     Name4 = REQ_GETVAL(Button4)

     Path1 = REQ_GETVAL(FullPath1)
     Path2 = REQ_GETVAL(FullPath2)
     Path3 = REQ_GETVAL(FullPath3)
     Path4 = REQ_GETVAL(FullPath4)


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/* save config */

     if (~OPEN('LWConfig',File,'W')) then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not write config file.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     writeln('LWConfig','LWCO')
     writeln('LWConfig','0')

Command:

     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset1 ' || Name1 || ' ' || Path1)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset2 ' || Name2 || ' ' || Path2)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset3 ' || Name3 || ' ' || Path3)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset4 ' || Name4 || ' ' || Path4)

     writeln('LWConfig','ScenesDirectory ' || ScenesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ObjectsDirectory ' || ObjectsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','SurfacesDirectory ' || SurfacesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ImagesDirectory ' || ImagesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','FramestoreDirectory ' || FramesPath)
Command:
     writeln('LWConfig','MotionsDirectory ' || MotionsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','EnvelopesDirectory ' || EnvelopesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','PreviewsDirectory ' || PreviewsPath)

     writeln('LWConfig','StatusFilename ' || SStatus)

     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultTension ' || STension)
     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultZoomFactor ' || SZoom)

     writeln('LWConfig','FrameEndBeep ' || SBeep)
Command:

     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup1 ' || SRec1)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup2 ' || SRec2)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordCommand ' || SRecCommand)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordDelay ' || SRecDelay)
     writeln('LWConfig','FirstFrameDelay ' || SFirstDelay)

     writeln('LWConfig','ExpertMode ' || SExpert)

     CLOSE('LWConfig')
Command:

/* done */

/*     NOTIFY(1,PrgName,'Done!')   */
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
EXIT
END

/* Error Message */

Command:
Error:
arg ErrorMessage
     NOTIFY(1,'@' || PrgName,'Error!','!' || ErrorMessage)
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
EXIT

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     ConfigMisc.lwm
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/* LW Misc Config Editor v1.0       Configures Other LW Options
   by Chris Hurtt
   Copyright (C) 1993
*/

PrgName = 'LightWave 3.0 Config Editor v1.0'
ModuleName = 'Misc. Options'
File = '/3D/LW-Config'

/* unprotect LW-Config file */
Command:




]

Unknown command
Command:


address command
'protect /3D/LW-Config rwed'

call addlib "LWModelerARexx.port", 0

/* load LW-Config file */

     if (~exists(File)) then DO
          call Error("Could not find LW-Config file.")
Command:

     END

     if ~OPEN('LWConfig', File, 'R') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not open LW-Config file.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= 'LWCO') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
Command:
     END

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= '0') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name1 Path1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name2 Path2 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name3 Path3 flab
Command:
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name4 Path4 flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ScenesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ObjectsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SurfacesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ImagesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk FramesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk MotionsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk EnvelopesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk PreviewsPath flab
Command:




     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SStatus flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk STension flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SZoom flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SBeep flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec2 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecCommand flab
Command:
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecDelay flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SFirstDelay flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SExpert flab

     if ~CLOSE('LWConfig') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not close LW-Config.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

Command:
/* Build Interface */

call REQ_BEGIN PrgName

     Status =       REQ_ADDCONTROL("Status File",S,20)

     REQ_ADDCONTROL("",T,"Record Options")
     Rec1 =         REQ_ADDCONTROL("RecordSetup1",S,20)
     Rec2 =         REQ_ADDCONTROL("RecordSetup2",S,20)
     RecCommand =   REQ_ADDCONTROL("Record Command",S,20)
Command:
     RecDelay =     REQ_ADDCONTROL("Record Delay",N,0)
     FirstDelay =   REQ_ADDCONTROL("First Frame Delay",N,0)

     REQ_ADDCONTROL("",T,"Misc Options")
     Tension =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Default Tension",N,0)
     Zoom =         REQ_ADDCONTROL("Default Zoom",N,0)
     Beep =         REQ_ADDCONTROL("Frame End Beep",B)
     Expert =       REQ_ADDCONTROL("Expert Mode",B)

     call REQ_SETVAL Status,SStatus
Command:

     call REQ_SETVAL Tension,STension
     call REQ_SETVAL Zoom,SZoom

     call REQ_SETVAL Rec1,SRec1
     call REQ_SETVAL Rec2,SRec2
     call REQ_SETVAL RecCommand,SRecCommand
     call REQ_SETVAL RecDelay,SRecDelay
     call REQ_SETVAL FirstDelay,SFirstDelay

Command:
     call REQ_SETVAL Beep,SBeep
     call REQ_SETVAL Expert,SExpert

ok = REQ_POST()
if ok = 0 then DO
     call REQ_END
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
     EXIT
END

Command:
/* get values of gadgets */

     SStatus = REQ_GETVAL(Status)
     STension = REQ_GETVAL(Tension)
     SZoom = REQ_GETVAL(Zoom)

     SRec1 = REQ_GETVAL(Rec1)
     SRec2 = REQ_GETVAL(Rec2)
     SRecCommand = REQ_GETVAL(RecCommand)
     SRecDelay = REQ_GETVAL(RecDelay)
Command:








     SFirstDelay = REQ_GETVAL(FirstDelay)

     SBeep = REQ_GETVAL(Beep)
     SExpert = REQ_GETVAL(Expert)

/* save config */

     if (~OPEN('LWConfig',File,'W')) then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not write config file.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
Command:
     END

     writeln('LWConfig','LWCO')
     writeln('LWConfig','0')

     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset1 ' || Name1 || ' ' || Path1)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset2 ' || Name2 || ' ' || Path2)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset3 ' || Name3 || ' ' || Path3)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset4 ' || Name4 || ' ' || Path4)

Command:
     writeln('LWConfig','ScenesDirectory ' || ScenesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ObjectsDirectory ' || ObjectsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','SurfacesDirectory ' || SurfacesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ImagesDirectory ' || ImagesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','FramestoreDirectory ' || FramesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','MotionsDirectory ' || MotionsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','EnvelopesDirectory ' || EnvelopesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','PreviewsDirectory ' || PreviewsPath)

     writeln('LWConfig','StatusFilename ' || SStatus)
Command:

     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultTension ' || STension)
     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultZoomFactor ' || SZoom)

     writeln('LWConfig','FrameEndBeep ' || SBeep)

     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup1 ' || SRec1)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup2 ' || SRec2)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordCommand ' || SRecCommand)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordDelay ' || SRecDelay)
Command:
     writeln('LWConfig','FirstFrameDelay ' || SFirstDelay)

     writeln('LWConfig','ExpertMode ' || SExpert)

     CLOSE('LWConfig')

/* done */

/*     NOTIFY(1,'@' || PrgName,'Done!') */
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
Command:
EXIT
END

/* Error Message */

Error:
arg ErrorMessage
     NOTIFY(1,'@' || PrgName,'Error!','!' || ErrorMessage)
     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
EXIT
Command:

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     ConfigPaths.lwm
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/* LW Paths Config Editor v1.0       Configures File Requestor Paths
   by Chris Hurtt
   Copyright (C) 1993
*/

PrgName = 'LightWave 3.0 Config Editor v1.0'
Command:
ModuleName = 'File Requestor Default Paths'
File = '/3D/LW-Config'

/* unprotect LW-Config file */

address command
'protect /3D/LW-Config rwed'

call addlib "LWModelerARexx.port", 0

Command:
/* load LW_Config file */

     if (~exists(File)) then DO
          call Error("Could not find LW-Config file.")
     END

     if ~OPEN('LWConfig', File, 'R') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'Could not open LW-Config file.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END
Command:

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= 'LWCO') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     if (READLN('LWConfig') ~= '0') then DO
          ErrorMessage = 'LW-Config is not a correct verison.'
          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END
Command:

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name1 Path1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name2 Path2 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name3 Path3 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk Name4 Path4 flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ScenesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ObjectsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SurfacesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk ImagesPath flab
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     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk FramesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk MotionsPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk EnvelopesPath flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk PreviewsPath flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SStatus flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk STension flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SZoom flab

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     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec1 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRec2 flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecCommand flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SRecDelay flab
     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SFirstDelay flab

     parse value READLN('LWConfig') WITH junk SExpert flab

     if ~CLOSE('LWConfig') then DO
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          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

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call REQ_BEGIN PrgName

     REQ_ADDCONTROL("",T,ModuleName)

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     Scenes =       REQ_ADDCONTROL("Scenes",S,20)
     Objects =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Objects",S,20)
     Surfaces =     REQ_ADDCONTROL("Surfaces",S,20)
     Images =       REQ_ADDCONTROL("Images",S,20)
     Frames =       REQ_ADDCONTROL("Frames",S,20)
     Motions =      REQ_ADDCONTROL("Motions",S,20)
     Envelopes =    REQ_ADDCONTROL("Envelopes",S,20)
     Previews =     REQ_ADDCONTROL("Previews",S,20)

     call REQ_SETVAL Scenes,ScenesPath

     call REQ_SETVAL Objects,ObjectsPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Surfaces,SurfacesPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Images,ImagesPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Frames,FramesPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Motions,MotionsPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Envelopes,EnvelopesPath
     call REQ_SETVAL Previews,PreviewsPath

ok = REQ_POST()
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     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
     EXIT
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/* get values of gadgets */

     ScenesPath = REQ_GETVAL(Scenes)
     ObjectsPath = REQ_GETVAL(Objects)
     SurfacesPath = REQ_GETVAL(Surfaces)
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     ImagesPath = REQ_GETVAL(Images)
     FramesPath = REQ_GETVAL(Frames)
     MotionsPath = REQ_GETVAL(Motions)
     EnvelopesPath = REQ_GETVAL(Envelopes)
     PreviewsPath = REQ_GETVAL(Previews)


/* save config */

     if (~OPEN('LWConfig',File,'W')) then DO
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          call Error(ErrorMessage)
     END

     writeln('LWConfig','LWCO')
     writeln('LWConfig','0')

     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset1 ' || Name1 || ' ' || Path1)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset2 ' || Name2 || ' ' || Path2)
     writeln('LWConfig','FileReqPreset3 ' || Name3 || ' ' || Path3)
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     writeln('LWConfig','ScenesDirectory ' || ScenesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ObjectsDirectory ' || ObjectsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','SurfacesDirectory ' || SurfacesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','ImagesDirectory ' || ImagesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','FramestoreDirectory ' || FramesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','MotionsDirectory ' || MotionsPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','EnvelopesDirectory ' || EnvelopesPath)
     writeln('LWConfig','PreviewsDirectory ' || PreviewsPath)
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     writeln('LWConfig','StatusFilename ' || SStatus)

     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultTension ' || STension)
     writeln('LWConfig','DefaultZoomFactor ' || SZoom)

     writeln('LWConfig','FrameEndBeep ' || SBeep)

     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup1 ' || SRec1)
     writeln('LWConfig','RecordSetup2 ' || SRec2)
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     writeln('LWConfig','RecordDelay ' || SRecDelay)
     writeln('LWConfig','FirstFrameDelay ' || SFirstDelay)

     writeln('LWConfig','ExpertMode ' || SExpert)

     CLOSE('LWConfig')

/* done */

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     'protect /3D/LW-Config rwe'
EXIT
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/* Error Message */

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arg ErrorMessage
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+-- John Foust / Syndesis Corporation <[e-mail]>
| It's easy to do the math, typical DEMs are 258 x 258 grid squares,
  [...which are big polygon objects.]
| What this problem really needs is a polygon reduction routine.
| Several recent Siggraph proceeding cover this technique, also known
| as "decimation."  We'll integrate it into ICP in the v4.0 version.
| This gives a typical reduction of 70 percent or so, leaving about 40K
| polygons in the above terrain.

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To: Allen H, or anybody In The Know
Re: Various questions

1)  Just ran into the "TPaint" brush/image mapping bug.  What's going on
    there?  Incidentally, in fixing it I found a strange thing in
    ADPro, it won't CROP to less than 90 pixels!  However, you can
    SCALE to 5 pixels, which is what I use.

2)  In what order are deformations applied?  If I morph an object, will
    displacement mapping still occur?  I.E., does morphing take
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    precedance over displacement mapping?

3)  If one is displacement mapping an object, and using that object as a
    morph target, is the object that is being morphed affected?

    I was hoping to use WORLD COORDINATES on displacement mapping while
    rotating (!) the morph target, along with overlapping morph envelopes,
    to achieve a realistic non-repetitive curl in a flapping flag
    animation.  However, my experiments seem to indicate that displacement
    mapping has no effect on morphing objects.
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    (What's some good elegant term for the object that is BEING morphed, i.e.
    the opposite of the morph target?)

4)  I got tired of LW re-writing my LW.CONFIG file, so I protected it, and now
    get an error every time I try to go to the Switcher.  Obviously it
    is trying to update something.  What does LW update in the config file?

5)  SUGGESTION: I would like the DISPLACEMENT MAP amplitude to be an envelope.
    That would allow a combination of magnitude changes with velocity to give
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    an unpredictable, organic deformation to surfaces.  (Of course, motion
    paths for texture maps would help also.)(Perhaps an AREXX implementation
    of motion paths for textures?)

6)  BUG REPORT:  Various manipulations of MORPH targets do not update properly.
    Moving ahead one frame in the animation >>does<< perform the update.

7)  Is there a list of LW & LWModeler fatal & non-fatal bugs?

8)  Somebody else was having trouble w/Booleans:  Make sure you are not using
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    2D polygons in some operations- it crashes/locks up the machine.  Switch
    to a DRILL or SOLID DRILL operation.  It's right there in the manual, but
    I wasted 45 minutes struggling with it anyway.


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21400.3.3.1363 Boolean/Drilling Operation Check
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Hi Stuart:

    Well, if I'd just RTFM I wouldn't request this feature, but it might
save a lot of people a lot of grief.

    Would it be possible for the Modeler s/w to check on the
appropriateness of drills and such in the Boolean tools?  I just spent a
frustrating 45 minutes crashing my machine w/inappropriate polygons in the
drill layer.

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    While my case was sheer stupidity (actually, not that sheer....really
quite thick) in a case of many multiple polygons it might be a good check.

    Sheepishly Yours
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>In article  <[e-mail]> Mark Thompson <mark@
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>estford.ccur.com> writes:
>> Breno. [e-mail] writes:
>
>> > Why modeller have to assume the object's
>> > axis is in the same as the coordinates center?
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>> In LW3.0, any oject's axis can be moved or rotated. It is refered to as the
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>     Something I'd like to see is being able to translate, rotate or scale
>on both the local and world axises. Currently it's only the local axis.

    uhhhhh, why?



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9/7/93 06:32 27/ [e-mail] (Lightwave Mail-List Request)
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This was inadvertantly sent to the request address...

On Sep 06 in <[e-mail]>, Adriano (rutgers!brufba.bitnet!PSERGIO) wrote:

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    Hello there ,

  I'm a new user of net's and bitnet's and my english isn't so good i'll
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  I have a question. I have an A2000 with Zeus (PP&S) and a toaster 2.0
i was reading a mail that talk about making shine with Lens Flare (3.0).
And i want to know if somebody knows how to do that in 2.0.

  Thanks , Adriano


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> I'm having a few problems in producing high quality curves in
> modeler. A lot of the work I do is with custom logos and my clients
> rarely have good camera ready art.  If they do, it generally has been
> created on computer and print

With the addition of postscript font support, how far away are we from
Modeler3D to support converting a poscript file for clip art and entire
pages?

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Re John Foust's & Stuart Ferguson's references on decimation...

Often you need to have a heavily-simplified model just for the sake
of animating. The "real" model can then be subsequently swapped-in
for rendering. So clever schemes for maintaining the model's integrity
are less important than they might seem.

Back in the pre-68030 days, when we only had crude VAXen and Cray XMPs,
we used to do it a simpler way -- our modeler had a "clobber polys"
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polys" or "9 of 10" or "1 of 3" and it would just march through the poly
list going

    kill-kill-kill-keep-keep
    kill-kill-kill-keep-keep
    kill-kill-kill-keep-keep
    kill-kill-kill-keep-keep
    kill-kill-kill-keep-keep
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The resultant model looked dreadful, but you could see what you were
doing while you animated, and the refresh times were always a lot better.

Oddly, this is a function that seems to have disappeared from today's
current crop of poly modelers and tools.

kb
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> X-Origin: The Portal System (TM)
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Various Questions
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> 4)  I got tired of LW re-writing my LW.CONFIG file, so I protected it, and now
>     get an error every time I try to go to the Switcher.  Obviously it
>     is trying to update something.  What does LW update in the config file?
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I was thinking of doing this too, having edited the file also to point
at a different place to store frames, then exiting the LW only to find
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Is there a simple fix for this?

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>Chris Hurtt writes:
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>>In article  <[e-mail]> Mark Thompson <mark
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>>estford.ccur.com> writes:
>>> Breno. [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>> > Why modeller have to assume the object's
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>>> In LW3.0, any oject's axis can be moved or rotated. It is refered to as the
>>> pivot point.
>>
>>     Something I'd like to see is being able to translate, rotate or scale
>>on both the local and world axises. Currently it's only the local axis.
>
>        uhhhhh, why?
>

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    Well, although I was never told WHY, I did figure out an extremely
simple way to do what Chris wants.

    Simply parent the object you want to translate on the world axis to
a null object at the origin.  Manipulations of the null object result in
world coordinate transformations of the child object.

    I just popped over and checked this out.  Create a cone and a cube,
export them to LAYOUT, move them apart, make the cone a child of the cube,
tilt the cone so you can easily see any tranformations, and move it slightly
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away from the cube.

    Stretching the cube along the Y axis will cause the cone to shear
along the Y-axis (because it is tilted--if it wasn't it would simply
stretch vertically).  If you rotate the cone it changes shape as different
parts are stretched.

    NOW will you tell me why you wanted this?  :^{)|

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> Adriano (rutgers!brufba.bitnet!PSERGIO) wrote:
> i was reading a mail that talk about making shine with Lens Flare (3.0).
> And i want to know if somebody knows how to do that in 2.0.

There is no lens flare in 2.0 LW. However, it can be faked with luminous
transparency mapped polygons. I have used this technique to create both
lens reflection rings and the central flare glow. Back in February, I replied
to a similar request. The method is basically identical....

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 11:38:26 EST
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Subject: Re: Babylon-5 Lens Flaring & "Sun" like objects
>  I am trying to emulate the effect of a flash-bulb into the camera.
Create a greymap (8bit preferably) that is a radial gradient from white in
the center to black on its circular boundary. Use this as a transparency
map (use automatic sizing in the texture menu) on a four sided polygon.
You will have to make sure that you set the "negative" button appropriately
for the texture such that the center is the least transparent and the edges
are totally transparent. If I recall correctly, negative should be enabled.
Make this polygon whatever color you want you flash to be and luminous.
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Since I received a rather large number of requests, I am posting the scene
I created for NewTek to demo displacement mapping. The whole thing including
scene file, shark object, and map image is only 38K uuencoded so it is
appended to the end of this post. This scene went out to dealers but never
made it into the final release. The shark object is PD and not very good,
but back when I needed it, Modeler wasn't good enough to build a better one
in the short time frame I had. Anyway, have fun with it.

Also....I posted this to comp.sys.amiga.graphics a few days ago, but I know
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I just uploaded 2 new LightWave 3.0 test animations of mine to Aminet. They
can be found (when they get there) in the gfx/anim subdirectory and are
named Creature.lha and Windmill.lha. They are each roughly 1MB in size.
wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4] in /pub/aminet is the main Aminet location
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Creature.anim
This is a 60 frame test animation of a hideous creature that leans
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creature with the new 3.0 LW Modeler and animated it with bones in
LightWave. It was rendered with motion blur and field rendering enabled
and then post converted to a HAM animation. Its part of some work currently
in progress. It is the same creature as in my picture "Creature.jpg".

Windmill.anim
This is a 100 frame test animation I did as a proof of concept for a
technique I developed to simulate tall grass blowing in the wind.
The method used to create it is described in articles I wrote for
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Amiga Video/Graphics and a new publication, LightWave Pro (put out
by the VTU people). It was done with LightWave 3.0 and took about
10mins per frame with antialiasing at 752x480 resolution on a 33MHz
Zeus equipped 2000.

Hope you enjoy them. They both look great coming off the DPS PAR :-)


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MF+(8G>WD[IZP1EJOM]PO15FMN-LN;1%J&KUEIM+Q"5L;9,5=AJ[] 6%]6ZF^
Command:
M/U<EJM/3GRLK*/2QE4EK#Q1W,_J+D[4-70::%GSU6<J2JG,[5'"BJ9G-U)NH
M+B6S-JW*X-D]4267J#5./DJ+IX[-4YFDW>8#O\B*MQ+"FB,M3%Z-I87*4I<B
MX42320602K8=(6(5MC/T<J@W?^P-V4HBC_-_9X;SHR<^MT)ZI[W[47OP5$2'
MFP^6 L",[S_MORRZ\[9R^H>Q#@\: L?;*;QU"#K53:>6@Z#=IOFI\9.D[X;'
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Command:

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Command:


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Command:


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M^YRX;^WU"A U7--5B>_(XAKZ'GK3>ZFBD\^V0C=\C@$, &EW+_5@2UJC61GD
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Command:


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M.PO/]^L!L^2IP[YIO0-V&>2K^VWA.Z35>*S%"@L;.GJS2!_7JX7-D,QKM"&=
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MN66,/X^X%/M$?/(P-XJW>P_%K/OAXI]^KM8#1T!)PQ!N.]]5^SXG1/11&PKE
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MID6(SF;YTW]8,8Y!@OF[B&O96[:B(.NK_O8T)E[='=G&T+E \TAEQ_?.CLX^
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Command:

ML,G] =+;#8<LX)I9\E18]GLO &]]S5INO3>-6T:& LJP%N4\EXY*GJ!!/^ZW
M$XG(Z_^J1^UTMNNS7EG12M@[!1<P>+AH391YQ*D/3!DC?1</XL>X0YQ]/P '
MV6PR1]TPB<1>B#]R/==98U!X9<K,686_CC0\Y*]0'Y;6P6"1[$N[HMQNPEX*
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MR4]@_U<=K+-3M ;$Z<21$DXNGH]S8X\\IFKK>[_;GFH+0*JN9=Z#7_DD7>6U
MC0\.7VN>3],BQ7L+XLSSTIIR_.V%\+=5&\;/M-*%OO1_SOCF-3R)MGN>C*0<
Command:

M\\U65SJK2GSOJSWC _IG-Z@D=:0DMC[OW9;@GGVJH%HKY$.LIPDG^6%'#10/
MQTMUN=N6[NZ'HT3\>*6W_&)@H%[M55];SMH>C;+R]GZ)@^E;.?<RBR9.QT[&
MOLJBW7QL]ENRK>7'P%H=<6K_,'616[8?"#(,:=GQSK_'< 6YLN_</KWP4#/<
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MMW9B.-HB5#A&KN?;]W,1PL5WQQ6!JWPY\'K.FN2O.06([QT\<2EEJK"F80]\
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M*T]0[^Q%B7:K6A3)J'45Y-ZQ?-B#5&AVGWM&YP[ADD(ST#63OT+0=1BD;BS1
Command:
MYV)BX3KN["E8%Z-D81OQ-?\9CJS\BO&FW!9GL\Z"DR:+,&'V%C;$SQ"B)^V?
MV6HR@'F-ED_Z7LH/P3HZKD<F?K+R$^?>LXEDRX_V^(A2Y]P6CJ"!/:UW_L<+
MKS?.7\O>IJ_&N>37UT6IYS8MX]]*8%K/A'+V,@ODGQATNQ&OYBSW;K]Q%XA&
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MTN_S_SLP,-$IPGC'PNK^"Y9C<@760OF1]+3?RCZ_BT''O"(?.:&>RTK__=W.
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M:.=A\+,"NZD*A.7+Y>(=6VM%X N6^,X?4-'!ZN.J^0^4.?8\LKVG5<:<H7S4
Command:

M%OAE/GHMY#=1;IM^+ /U3"!*R=?IMGN(9JC4L?\S.KA7 \:CR_*:ND8]K);1
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M_36J]F^99#?&$'0$MV_?7SU'O^,&C%JV1-7//2/LQF2]2-E/ #?TV#(D?'74
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MHW9M].HN6HX:R"LI.S?::0BD_'I@M5MG(U=$WKV07)1=2:X;W@SRP%C*ST#^
Command:

M:![+<90[E%.XFN-O3JH2<G4#=#8&X]?A*MG.Q5'CU4B>,PR5Q]Z:DJ?F;< K
M-H^*ZFKT//7(3,];NE5G6*H"BT&M8WAXK8"TCZKF;OB<PE#4[DU#]O$H-FIE
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Command:

MCMOL,QW^XP>AK(W"VBGFY:,3AV!EVW> [@*NE3ZH?)F*.7%CC_?BUG")57<J
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M)<#7*EQ]/+;UW.)[EZ?T7\%CM888"[[W,'>IBK1F.]5Z;_WQ311$TQQ0/=PT
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MLG_V8L,!S+IYN+;!S@>[?7F)TI\KG86([UB#:R9'AX[-]\&=BHR7]_[4QFU8
Command:


MR/]M9>)F[(PX/ A>C!IS>/T(/RE=F5#K,FM>7C\SE9.'QE<.L>W+^\-<0[.+
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M8D,OZ6/HL/1#.9+U)7?<P=%H-Y@7GKU8;Y:ID]*SYEE#&V,@,:5SX1#)&Z6>
MW<D%B]>Q2#G[U@V]2?B]1.Z1.O9WCM.UUT?)WC_0+T"L*KX^><Z*K]JTM\Q0
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M!<=NHGGG!'$-#N3]P=QD9@-"PIQ_"#3!8:XN.D_@6(.2+ ,][#:;7T/)@^Z7
Command:

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M]U&5P.? O<\T;7SX1[[[:=SX=['+O\\^*;[EH]%[\:_H+]"_%HNE]\FWU'&I
Command:

MY[Y9_071O,N&^D7/OG&""ZCY]MF^QJ7WT3AO3$HGH7!!>(]0VS"!M-]ZMA O
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M:WT<"Q*MRO#D5CG 7GL$-]8?F9. MU65M]E[7L(@7\D5,' 7I/Y+ZVG]W*&4
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MPLS&N,1G$5K1Y]R,%C6/IT)VY8;X31P[)R]$Y07WH>]6%;; )@6D%]VO^*<@
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MK266,ZR:]A%JW'FG^6JNB8!SD%_?T:/HVH+EP+3F2VHR5PN!?:.DH[W!A:0U
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Command:

ML?H05QX7AVV@\Y(*@4S(RX%A3=ZTX_!1_^ W=VAY#<?N=:4URA;*C,?O>@_\
M6>$CB&P2J$O=]O! _WXC'9"4'9Y#R6]^@F(2P+%VZ_AZ,%?6:NUKBS8K]#H)
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M^RE$2]%2P+[V3-,'D,H_NG7.OL #;=O)5+W(!PG=]D"-#OS<!&*)XR;-L &U
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MK018]]_6V9]1E '_JX?PSTKPNKKN]$^,3G\QY;0.HU0(!QJMD2GX7>9:S!?D
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M(C^['&CSQHR]5:([ E%X'!OWZQ<3ZR$37^WCNVKESX=$7\#"V&R6@UW[?T9C
Command:

M+$6QXDS>O^_68PQE?O9YAZ'YS ?*,P-3/L>:=$ [39!F1V16PQ95@'2PA1B-
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M6!+($9 F$92'^[BQ]*ULTX@ZZK#2!7;CGQPC74Y%=*K'+4E*.+%F9O@+.:4.
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MIX_KPXP4]\V?Q]\_V'J;CQ+JS0, C:E^0Z,'[4O&/S96Z0'R!K,9WR.>AVFV
Command:

M;IWWV9B$!W9K%M4^/">H[.1W35?C6[U#KU0)H!F+G],]D["_Y31E6LYRY?O?
M:FQ&DSB.J):<2=/]F.9/&<Y@UVX(J.Z\N79#:(3]IIX'I;R8XR,T\+V=HYF#
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M7_6O=DB3TU3;FG3>*&MVH*?I>^7VI8 O>1V<67QYQAFNU+.[@@XF_@QS^>W;
M7%GO0:Z[&)>00U6'M?SG[@UD;UK8:V01/RHD';H'9>HBB]@F8'1GMK&3&:/8
M>2VSPPK?> ["OMMJGF,5HQ6 5WS<+!0%G[Z,<N_GG@@V8._\H^N67R@[P>2W
Command:

M+6'>NUMJ>5M^W6$T;!FZ\-LZ"/=@O,HV:&(MWD&-.-X)HD&9(N6S6EDR7;!Y
MQD?%'+>T:KJ9#$,S5X^->&U .IW>B(+>TJ=C 4WH#5G/%F;/GUWS_,"4GUKI
M"FX#W;U4TQ_;Z1LOF(O C_HRR719=N5#2<'P'>K7YO\UI[^FY/EZ2U6]C2W.
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MB3*W9I?3=MBB3$L9'JNHCK/:$6*'8%#*GQC9?W7WE3?,B82:PP(PW#[U>;5(
M%R[33?Z?TR<']OB*F_]\V<@+1M.R_W].'LF&MJ]RI ,T)]'^!V+ZWU/6GX5U
Command:

M)>9Q(<9V71#<IB/T9J]J 6L?>?RWAXM +&99H^FJK%1G?2N2O?[? ),C>NG'
MWY%Y6=Q#!(I+]%@'HH!;("X9#NG4F.*WKIH+T0$IMH+Y@HCY>U:;<)(,.\NG
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MW[^[*Y"/]92Q5D._[H7W7:)-G0^*:_40.(+&I:O<T)WMUOA?W"URYR7M679-
Command:

M6@;HJ4N6,A<)GR=+IX)3$%^VWC]#LHON(+4T-CJ,K+K79T+[7*'']%15O K@
M4@5NB$^O-20-%B]CL4!HB!LVO#JIT\RIL]>S0CFL&H^A[PGN1?Y&V\*X ^,)
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MM.E*-JB*"=H.S]^U%DWA6S#M!%M[G"L6*9WE1>]4]2K7,9"PS:AUVFM@=,#I
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M5AX4K73TN^+C+P;:P!="'K=QFZ+%P$;W,^\[5C'%C'K/ U5D6SY-&]3N@6CL
Command:


MG-/4#VSFS=_1^#L'55ZV[6["G>D4"8.B.M])[Z@]]J!(81UL/!/V@R5=I-%,
MEUL]_9KRG*XV +DZ(NOH=C)8 M ?7 OE-548 N#CTEUPO#8.?>,7@]7  ,AP
MP7KV1Z%HOZFA,,5I#_'"&_RTGPX+ABWN%]YN::I!<9Q@G_,;3:K&+*==$5#N
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MQ5H,M[8^TJHX#-@.BE>Z$45#<H'(4FOZP<F3(9/I/UJ.S+R+?]CW#QIJ/)O6
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M^98><ULG*G.LH\I"67_P7KD\X]ZN\,+-34A8I9+%D.F2-YR<FD#/HY?%#K>N
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MR4>3XF)4"TJI#_](!';*XJV?P)ZH.?\"B,\51?!*:EH$M^MM-XZ'TA0T8\V4
Command:

M?-2VG.9A[WLG"VM_R(L-717D#VDHBK^'U?=TNB.MSWR''_()/9OFS9NWJ,H\
MOQBQ!0H+^F$UG/_BWG0Q1#W@M\:N(H_R@+O2.TM/]NH#7+>G<@"D[LYAR^]2
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M,+'>=7,%''E8LCB=9.>EJ.-L6=Y_:4S+3N]FFIFOM_KN/J&+:\XNLNAQXW\7
M!I*NE=!<Q@V+FZV;#K(YW0\79C379G'9[ZXO+1\4NO8X"%*M-]K?=,]DZF*!
MONC"+7;KP?^%K(E:. D9/6V'2O_?](,=W?>X7E!^QQ-)ACK&E.Y^3__+O..5
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MYF=.@L[GXL$ F]HO R#DA@+Y8T6?EJQD%^386._R8W _\D%J$!2U[OGYL_*3
M_G,CD%H?IQ_M83C9Y O<?=E ;U!!NP6GP +R63<FP2$-0MQ%NPPTR!+M#!9L
M$GPC@E8)P3,.XT,%[D^!/#3A.@!,K8P3,VX.V:."PJZ@D6PI"F6."QJ-!)10
Command:

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MYG!,XQA!,MX\()^+$$P+Y6]D$_P/B'3(\9V!_\Z 3^_X+W021F@$RF$"7KZ3
Command:

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Command:


MO2"9J4@!,S '<!0_BC9($'M2(+@"87!QH/A:0F%T@J4C!,YXAV?Q92^,.XM6
M:=9,2@E6I NH)SLH)GI0G3* NO,":Z@+1 G[:D$_Q,,;811 E>S!VV$Q.<$B
MDX3P!LFT DQT!,A]@F8>X3K@O'5!.QV5P/U5 3K%$U>&K0JH)X VJ*-LV4.H
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MZSE5QK:"3Z\8\ 2R[P2Z, [[=VW7)BY!-RD*@O$)D*>Y!).GO0FJ#P->#[T$
ML@</Y"<L+_S(3@60=#F07@7X): ^@GX ?%)'X): ]0[*KO3D6_3(#O$#G9)^
M]IT,R&(:V%?;E@EL#^>0G^E&QZ"=EW#K@V%>=,!+8'J$_92#/<3G*@';M<42
M:B+0!.VBK9*@G=W">&H)K#H+$=P2,.@OB3+HEX:31!+P'HC&(8QS&*[@D7@!
Command:

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Command:
M]@3C>.E>!L ^H3M ^A\$?<"6NX%[*UE]_VJODK/\8TGICNUG_!."O!=P3D'X
M)E?X3H%X+&X 2?;P7R!.BV<GN";P/\&-JN+?($W%OS"=; ";P )Z#(%U&6]Y
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MP3EK802P?@GF#T@96OP)S ZQN'7M"57#82J\PG-_XF93F!^ GF!Y\ 4<TZS
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M L/(C9P\@_&0\88U?9\^F2($MS4%Y!,C$"3 03.=068B!)QJ"^H)B'&%_@$[
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M/@TTC]A+4'E;-]P..,>;.2_ISTOW"=0E6OLW _ 3W _U%^XL$[@<!,27@%ST
MO(,6YZ[7IGD!+JY!>03D903-"A.J<@O[3?@O )\<\W_G4-\*R+?T%5RWY"91
Command:

MB+\@<+*3)EB2W02H/),VC91C/[9$(^?XL@G[[!B/\I@G\;)'__(C_ E%E*4"
M>@.4,<]6C19<"=H3B;$AD$["*4$JIX3Z!_*,'R\KG0'/YCB=E58K957V$[1^
M@$F[ _ 3[ YRH4> A[ ZH54)*@%5F&-JS*/WBL!1]A,PQRG8'T+?8[4M^2H=
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M&U'? 3P]HS!-EU'?HR\0=F_6':WB:"YIVF0"55@S8@G^FJP)_3I 3KO@+JJ
M37O 7X-7T2JAM@$_ =@8G?ZJ?V2@$LGX%H">;DL GX#\!/X#H;!;Z.K\!U/@
M._"5?M602OWR1BYL9;OW4M^ FNI!+6D)OOP+<Y;R!)^PC^1O*,>]WR/^&<)K
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M-+3^!QKD.W/\3?I(D$RD +4$]ST$[V #\A, 'R3Q1[LR #Z#D.A$L![ZO+8"
Command:


M.4,6C4HP&C8480FH8N@0/J6[O[RWBGCIU*/P@^PQW>2/D?O]NP3 JBB/KB@G
M?-1'X?8C_0E?56$@X\H8IKI](C\E*^B /3[[!/IAE G(0A,0/<\50)$!X/R'
M=*#!@:JL$UD0+6$^D)Y[@0'Y"8@/QX2C[7X8'[O(=&)8SYA!,B"K&/3V*,'N
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MT9>0)P7+QW/Q_>,?\/O1UAX)6S@OD)FCP2:/":(<%ZIX)W)P7^!/0XWG\ DX
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Command:



M1]J[(\$2RN=2"6 >P8Q/Z5Q/Z5@A-03!+4F$W.P%[F8)YC 6"";APD_ )8![
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M<!\QB_W-:P(= 2H8. ]"8^?-%_',LPFX'P.9;N",8U'<AV6,%'+_2CY"?H=D
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MH3=[P6W%N=U/V2NB-M#&361'RMH)I-02F5":FX1Z\\1[A*_*_J,2,J-SZ8(2
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M?U+>!^@F\#JNI;F)[P.N=!UXEM0?RN?MV&(0X6XU^6_037[ EGL$VN +BBW'
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M6Y7?+<@)T%P33W"=;$%S9;I&Y^VU^C?PQ!UB-[ F('%_PGD%'L$RL87:-U?G
Command:


M#2"FF?X3PK51/4)@)UC$%SJYUGT^%'_7/$@_USY:%2^<A4O$)F[[5=1$#]A.
M('V6Y;F\6('X^ZC8@N%2^!C3PEO3_EOV$_)@$^_ 3_4073%O:X/T5ID;P,?Z
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M@/L&GD< F0'YSL.R$J'/X!/U8&)J )WT+,)Y!-^.03'(3C(%__()$)@O@MXZ
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MS!=X1_677M6JZ_@8XR!B@VV03NY@L(3-&02DLA-2S!?;Y!/KS!98)F)=7.EM
MCF!^1BNH- Q>9^W'0#ZT(3R.WW*.T49YJZ$Z.K>(V<(3RT$QB/03Q- &%9!(
M?T0/8E[9NE>J ?L8PJ9!X=,@] FG\_ 30#]A.@'G?A;I_2@'LWA^T!<R#Y&.
Command:

MN8M]HBW["=WR"<-D)XZ@+OBWVY/W482-Y&(Q5Z^[W5"2]W75\0@G!=_03%@\
MA/%T!8UR"2Y%ZDM1+O>WH)J!^QBK9HMWZ1ZUXJ!]],$R7(3+?0G$,9R/)(B/
M["8@[X,A/Y5!8PR"3A4%^FK_L(\\C'_QL&2/#:@=AR"=/JA/:4!/#Y!.,R$Z
MA'U!^T/]#N$WS(0)J'9EWP)LHA/ONHA.M?HSKFZ? FH'/J($AV021?'[W <K
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M6[(GN1VBW8$MZ=@."KFUH=] YM4L!U!UZXH!"_V X#+M6_E= FP'_'2KL0$+
M"P' 3-J4^0&"9-TQTOVH%](?+OBP'"DMI[_J&G,)L!^!SNZF7+F?Y@XLZ(_I
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M$[#=_^!<L$^BX+-#L1N'?GH$@0QCW.=DMQ%:XY*K*_Y<EX"8Q<%Y303<.@2Y
MJ0G7&Z)[$I">()Q!-]4D>_ZB/DW@S($WWH$VYNA,0[YWOSY:P($RU^X+($]T
Command:

MT$^AYPG1=!.E$"=PC4)Z@[^N(1^@Z&ZAB+:B%3-9;L$A;G1[+VZ6L,$W X"K
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MKZ!/7HA3$)WO0)O>(3P(43X3$)YPG*$\+B1^8R(_:FC/()X;0)S(4)E';VJ'
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MN3]>7[0)P5ZC\PG2= FGYA/RCQ/YLPGJ"<H3N&A'W?8C[^:,]@GRM G^F F4
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M@M[EB/68&;!(?G/7 3D>P3(^ FJ40G6O(3X!.4)T+DCZAR1]=-&?(3O&P2XD
Command:


M03*.T[7R^OG-@G6\>7Y"9WL$H:8)K^P2S<A-P3"=XY!/&1Y0ZE]#%3[(5<[+
M=E[+>]=%=[<%V"</\KMV$S'8)..PF?U@G2GH3XQ.4)H7I'I/I'JQ8S^"=\V"
M5LL"9AV]/V?_JJV"56"H/P3OVP3A5@3X6P3Q/@GXE@G_/P)\"/,'<M\,=7\0
MO#^+?K_ENB#H@S]@EX>E_"?>P3W^$ZEB)ZW\)^ G,$^_R/[ 1_A8S $T=@FO
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M;!,_V$Z JSZ_@[!/!-P)Y"91L$E&PG^K#&4[!,^V0IP3ZNP3[-A.F6)O%\!.
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M3/>$*<$_5P$_?@3TMB;Y?03Z7GKW!/T@T*%']!,?#I 0FI]!*GT)UF-6Q_VZ
M"0$;O[P$RKH)+^A-+L,=7T$Z_I"G!,F=!)^Z$UZQ-K?H)7<?Z< G?QZG.IG0
Command:

M35YU8 $\!T$X+P3K\Y>GR[P)G%!? $]?X$[KP3<J#2HT/@30T7,,)T'P)JW@
MG :F(J?_P)_YO#G@)N_P)@W@F06&)#X$DOB%.">4\"=)X)K:IH:O9\"?G:T8
MPGM/ G<^">MM_BVN^!*Z;T!X"=,\":?X)G#'8_ G;_$+SKFDNT_P)MAO2G@)
MM_@2Y?"?9NSJ;G&!,W?J"_A.[S/@GJ_"= O>N_)?@F7W_6$)_'=2#^$ZB7!U
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M, 2X<_4&$_$ $^< 3JO$WK+7V!Z P77?^O)X;-[&Z))5YO7 $]L'PH!-( $I
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MKK.,;5;B1YC8CSE&F$3OAT=ONU =<0?F*8;&._UGP^>()) OU3"=*$$TL0G:
M ^K8B"=H+_U BFH!-OVU =WZEF8@FM(_@5@F0G[(/Y6P;^*SNY6L[^)1H\C^
Command:

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Command:

M3FD%Q^TLN1$,EQ@BXN-6 HQTQ)&/V31AQDT8A2I%\J4B_GR(M9^2+;1-%4HL
MFKFP)H9LZZ+41<GJ(N5&I+AC5_XBD I&=)K3!-:3H]P397!=%,$TXD1W!-P.
M3G2!.B()W Y/1,$]-03Z^+J->\9@F/N1EA,O,$I!A-3N"[(P3A=TZ9;B7O$&
M"8@QB)^:D.=T4O.K52PGLC!/$,)]*X+L1@FQ^2'D$W$OF4F"9<D8DLWS!U!.
MX)HGW,UA.(,$R)A.S 0@"Z,$KL"%8$[D8)S!A,CATX/B&">B'5F!,5,$D"@F
M(4B$8U+E^%+EU@363!*X83:, N$8)A")/()P)1$X8)8IC&5B)P\0LKQA]92P
MG<S!.3,)Z# +(3!):/0^03@2CP@P3"5#$IKCV503P"9$/<%A-^&"88838AY$
M/$C!,@'F:PF-C!(W4$R/$35E*7P">T385A.P$!-@H$\^P"_$!/A7LY!.!*5]
M4!/]08@(L:)K="^-:HX8$U^@)>*!.#X!960$K,L:\@G E-[J GU*&)-<-GJ@
MGD$_P^@L"88@)#U!,^"GR!;6(">$M)UA.-H"8\@3F&076$!->8@W()R)6#M
Command:
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MUB"9^P)26":MD%QK F/>.6V6KK2MYX2H&)-V^R_Y!+9?^0G*L"9U@G'(LD[
Command:


MG0MD;E'V2_();)>\__LE^02V2_D)G3 E08)JN07MH/#N03O#CSX%QYQV+,6X
MC[!<$X9@3#,$X9Q'QKB/R)6G[M.+O#^B)+)R2[/SBT<F<H!,2$\S0YFS,,D
MDTX;.SE.3;B@$Q9T?\]J!.;=GB?.<4W%)!)N*?G9!#1-@F+-++JL\^^*P)Y3
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Command:

M.$Z3H%FC@DZ:LS_9M8>SN6ZL[LL"9OS@G#0*U*/-R@2>@U$+,$UHG4$]!M&M
MJ!*5D<)Z ZMYNP35(!-]_^P2^_^9[Z0$4"9MV/^\UR/$<PI_4;R1% GDBJ5#
M,!^0ZH$\QY:$S<X31#A,I@$S#\)M9UKCFOK%:.@3]6N7<$_2V;G!*!@$P(O$
MXA@$^(3J":;@1Z_@1[7G&< GGG!([9!-0[*C:/;K3@FQMK* 3'W!)0R">0<$
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M3B$^03J"='B1]3D1]BG&<@G\W!/G- FH=^="RXOD<$_9% (A/U'!/QM0FCG!
M*/B$V*U$[9D"><CU!T/R&(^D0I>D6Z$D6_WQ+6*&N"8Q$R)!/%."<?()HEN)
MTK()^0G4$\Y(C]Q(C^'.,Y!,0."6'#":AV@Q??%Y3@GZH@_()UUP38883S+@
MG9R">WAB?A2!/F1ZP[>)#'"S(7'3+?93+?[(Q!' 7!,+C&\PFI7!+&F$]]#$
M_!F$_<3K";8F1\*F1\DE&<PF&W!/&BA-8[J6-F1XJX)QN-FS":0<$IZ0$V X
Command:


M)8DPFSI GA$P3\$>L.L68Q9<R%@\RWBTRWB$@[Z-+!/9J0N?A.7@7!/%S";+
MD">#?A.@)UA/W9D>')D>-8QG,)Q5PG%)@3Z'?:7PCX$G!(SX1F$_#@GU0"=[
M<$X283QE$3[&8)^2/6'?4QC[H0ONA;^Z%O[_P5_,]P3!?Q!0)H9P2B_@G*V?
MX3KCOT$Z"=PFIZ$>S*$? XQG0)AE8)H1\2H1\,"QX7K<$^X+84"=><$V">$X
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Command:

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Command:

M+!C:\[C]:3"2#M)O0)4+-?4_VO[(7S0;^SG8\U@F\(!+\@)_5GWLA< D.9^E
M@GIH!.L@)Y%F9LCK02R0P0NPG [R.QVT)SZ4_X!*'"J]E"R,(!)!@8A^R'4&
M@EI29S,!U>06^R_<7E@FKP"5> FQG;\Z&0"0UW(6"9,@$F& F_WEUQF-!+CZ
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21400.3.3.1373 Re: Various Questions
9/8/93 10:40 20/ David Watters <[e-mail]>
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> I was thinking of doing this too, having edited the file also to point
> at a different place to store frames, then exiting the LW only to find
> my editing wiped out...
>
> Is there a simple fix for this?

Yes.  Have Lightwave support editing the file internally.  Some requestors
with push button gadgets and such, then when you exit LW it saves the
proper information.

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21400.3.3.1374 Re: hiding, clipping
9/8/93 10:56 39/ David Watters <[e-mail]>
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> >>     Something I'd like to see is being able to translate, rotate or scale
> >>on both the local and world axises. Currently it's only the local axis.

>     Well, although I was never told WHY, I did figure out an extremely
> simple way to do what Chris wants.
>
>     Simply parent the object you want to translate on the world axis to
> a null object at the origin.  Manipulations of the null object result in
> world coordinate transformations of the child object.
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If you have a null object at 0,0,0 in world space and you make it the parent
of something that is not at 0,0,0 in world space, rotating the null object
causes a translation of the object as well as a relative rotation.

What I would like to see is a rotation that would rotate an objecct around a
translated world axis, ie. rotate around an axis that is parallel to it's
corresponding world axis regardless of the objects local axis orientation with
respect to the world axis.  You can not do this with a null object oriented
the same as the world axis as to do the rotation you have to rotate the null
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object and then you have lost what I was looking for.

This would have saved me on one project I did using LW.  I created a billiard
animation (GROAN!) using dynamics for an animation class.  Using local axis
rotations for the rolling of the balls didn't work (Gimbal lock).  The solution
is to use Quaternions but it would have been nice if LW did this.

Any info?

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    I was thinking of doing this too, having edited the file also to point
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When running long renders, I just use a amiga shell command
to rename the "Framestore" directory.. and makedir a new Framestore
before a run..This way LW-config doesn't have to be hacked all the time
--ghg

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I know there are a million ways to do any one thing, but I just wanted to ask   about different approaches for making seamless models. There is nothing that
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>Windmill.anim
>This is a 100 frame test animation I did as a proof of concept for a
>technique I developed to simulate tall grass blowing in the wind.
>The method used to create it is described in articles I wrote for
>Amiga Video/Graphics and a new publication, LightWave Pro (put out
>by the VTU people). It was done with LightWave 3.0 and took about
>10mins per frame with antialiasing at 752x480 resolution on a 33MHz
>Zeus equipped 2000.

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well, maybe i do believe the hammerhead on seaquest was lightwave :-)
i just uuencoded mark thompsons shark scene, replaced the
sharks with the viewpoint hammerhead shark, and rendered a couple of
frames. the images are cool :-) check it out
(thanks mark !)
(thanks viewpoint)

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I just blew my hd and lost all the LML log :-(

Where are the archives and files located for LML and for Lightwave in
general?

Is there a FAQ or list of fractal noise textures and/or colors for
Lightwave? I'm especially looking for Veined Marble (of course). A
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okay, i have been seeing the seaquest commercials-
are you telling me that shark at the end is Lightwave ? ;-)
if it is, i've got a lot more learning to do to take full
advantage of this program :-) incredible....

particles-(i may have posted this before, sorry)
LW's particles are one point polys. no depth, no mass, etc...so
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so, are there more ways to show particles ?

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>> I was thinking of doing this too, having edited the file also to point
>> at a different place to store frames, then exiting the LW only to find
>> my editing wiped out...
>>
>> Is there a simple fix for this?
>
>Yes.  Have Lightwave support editing the file internally.  Some requestors
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Yo! Allen or Anybody:

    There's a bug in the lensflare that results in little dark spots in
the flare.  Anybody know a good way around that?

    Also, the lensflare internal reflection (?) rings should ALWAYS be
in "front" of all objects, yet I'm currently rendering an animation where
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>> >>     Something I'd like to see is being able to translate, rotate or scale
>> >>on both the local and world axises. Currently it's only the local axis.
>>>
>>       Simply parent the object you want to translate on the world axis to
>> a null object at the origin.  Manipulations of the null object result in
>> world coordinate transformations of the child object.
>
>If you have a null object at 0,0,0 in world space and you make it the parent
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>
>What I would like to see is a rotation that would rotate an objecct around a
>translated world axis, ie. rotate around an axis that is parallel to it's
>corresponding world axis regardless of the objects local axis orientation with
>respect to the world axis.  You can not do this with a null object oriented
>the same as the world axis as to do the rotation you have to rotate the null
>object and then you have lost what I was looking for.
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    You are of course correct, but I believe that with a combination of
>>multiple<< null-objects you could accomplish this.

    Creating a hierarchy of null-objects, each responsible for just ONE
rotation, should allow users to perform world-axis rotations with impunity.  Th
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>
>Where are the archives and files located for LML and for Lightwave in
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> well, maybe i do believe the hammerhead on seaquest was lightwave :-)
> i just uuencoded mark thompsons shark scene, replaced the
> sharks with the viewpoint hammerhead shark, and rendered a couple of
> frames. the images are cool :-) check it out

The hammerhead at the end of the SeaQuest trailer is not CG!  You can clearly
see the edge errors from where it was cut/painted out of a scene to be
composited into the spot.  If the hammerhead was CG, there would be no
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I laugh at all the people that said they didn't think it looked very realistic.
I have played it back a LARGE number of times and I am thoroughly convinced
it is a real shark cut out and overlayed.

I would, however, be happy if I am wrong as it would be impressive if that
is LW CG, but it's not.

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I am reposting this now that there are a lot more users on the list:

Can anybody tell me anything about the new bones feature in Lightwave v3.0 ??
I don't have Lightwave 3D or the Toaster. I would like to know how using
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There is an option called "Glow Behind Objects" that should almost always be
turned OFF.  This causes the lens flare to be rendered NOT inside the camera
where a lens flare should be, but out in the 3D space, as if it were part of
the light somehow.  The option is there so that flares can be used to create
other types of special effects (I think the seqQuest people asked for this
option), but it is not correct for a true lens flare.

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> I just wanted to ask about different approaches for making seamless models.

One method is to take your two separate articulated surfaces and first join
them with a boolean union operation. Then you can either:
1) Use the various tools at hand to smooth the resulting seam out.
2) Slice the resulting object into a series of planar polygons and then
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> particles-(i may have posted this before, sorry)
> LW's particles are one point polys. no depth, no mass, etc...so
> they render quick, you can use hundreds, etc...
> In CGW, an article shows particles as implemented by 3D studio-
> 3D studio's particles look like little geometric shapes, with
> mass, depth, etc...

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> 1)  Just ran into the "TPaint" brush/image mapping bug.  What's going on
>     there?

TPaint is broken. What more can ya say?

> 2)  In what order are deformations applied?  If I morph an object, will
>     displacement mapping still occur?  I.E., does morphing take
>     precedance over displacement mapping?

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The morph is applied first followed by the displacement map. Displacement
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> 3)  If one is displacement mapping an object, and using that object as a
>     morph target, is the object that is being morphed affected?

As above, no. But if you are displacement mapping a source object and
morphing that source toward a target, the displacement map will continue
to effect the object even when 100% morphed. This is exactly how I would
want it to work. As long as you are aware of the priority in which the
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> 4)  What does LW update in the config file?

I'm not sure what all the items are that get updated but it saves the current
state of the commands in the Record window every time you quit out of LW.
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> 5) SUGGESTION: I would like the DISPLACEMENT MAP amplitude to be an envelope

With regard to question #3, this is the one thing you lose by having disp maps
applied after morphs. Currently, you would have to generate an image sequence.

> Of course, motion paths for texture maps would help also.

I hope that whatever is done for texture-pluggins addresses this, ie. allows
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> 6) BUG REPORT: Various manipulations of MORPH targets do not update properly.
>     Moving ahead one frame in the animation >>does<< perform the update.

I see this happen frequently. I think if you just click on the "current frame"
slider, the object will update properly.

> 8)  Somebody else was having trouble w/Booleans:  Make sure you are not using
> 2D polygons in some operations- it crashes/locks up the machine.  Switch
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In an article, lightwave@bobsbox writes:
>> well, maybe i do believe the hammerhead on seaquest was lightwave :-)
>> i just uuencoded mark thompsons shark scene, replaced the
>> sharks with the viewpoint hammerhead shark, and rendered a couple of
>> frames. the images are cool :-) check it out
>
>The hammerhead at the end of the SeaQuest trailer is not CG!  You can
>clearly
>see the edge errors from where it was cut/painted out of a scene to be
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>errors at the edge, as it would not have been necessary to crop it out of
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Well, I certainly haven't analyzed it and I've only seen it twice when
glimpsing it in the promo but it could be CG with edge errors.  If I were
going to render the shark I would probably render it alone on a blank
background or use the alpha channel and then overlay it over any other
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rendered the individual items separately and THEN decided to composite them
all together and decided not to re-render but to use traditional methods of
keying/overlaying in editing to produce the final scene you see in the promo.

However, I could be mistaken and, like I said, I only saw it twice quickly as
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       Ahem... I posted a couple new released on the internet, all available
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>
>    NOW will you tell me why you wanted this?  :^{)|
>

     Hold on already! Mail takes an extra day or two to get onto my Amiga. I
responded right away to your post, but it takes about 3-4 days for my stuff
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     I have been freed of my Imagine chains. I finally got a Lightwave
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> > 3)  If one is displacement mapping an object, and using that object as a
> >     morph target, is the object that is being morphed affected?
>
> As above, no. But if you are displacement mapping a source object and
> morphing that source toward a target, the displacement map will continue
> to effect the object even when 100% morphed. This is exactly how I would
> want it to work. As long as you are aware of the priority in which the
> deformantions are applied, you should be able to accomplish whatever you
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I think this is easily to see if you remember that the object is not really
turning into the second object, thus switching places, it is just taking on
the form and surface (3.0) attributes of the target.  Continuing to move and
manipulate the source with still affect the object after the morph.

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Hey guys, can someone please tell me how to access the files on Aminet?  Is
Aminet a node on Internet?  I have FTP capability only, will that do it?

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Hi,
    does any one have a good method for doing lightning or electrical shock looking stuff.  I want it to flow over an object. kind of like when someone gets shocked in a SciFi movie.
    any held would be GREAT.

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On Sep 9, Stuart (Stuart Ferguson) wrote:

> There is an option called "Glow Behind Objects" that should almost always be
> turned OFF.  This causes the lens flare to be rendered NOT inside the camera
> where a lens flare should be, but out in the 3D space, as if it were part of
> the light somehow.  The option is there so that flares can be used to create
> other types of special effects (I think the seqQuest people asked for this
> option), but it is not correct for a true lens flare.

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> This is different from "Fade Behind Objects" which should be turned on if
> you want the len flare to go away if the light is occulted.  Since the names
> are so similar the confusion is natural.
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On Sep 8, David (David Watters) wrote:

> > I was thinking of doing this too, having edited the file also to point
> > at a different place to store frames, then exiting the LW only to find
> > my editing wiped out...
> >
> > Is there a simple fix for this?
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> Yes.  Have Lightwave support editing the file internally.  Some requestors
> with push button gadgets and such, then when you exit LW it saves the
> proper information.
>

Hi Guys,

this is what I attempted the first time.  Just editing the the requesters
in LW and then exiting.  When I would go back into LW, with out unloading
LW, the requesters would be the same as what I had set them to.  But
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I have also edited the file manually to point to Frame: but when I exit
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I just uploaded a mini-movie clip from my last film to Aminet. It is
rather large (5.4MB lha'd and 6.4MB as an anim5 file) but I had numerous
requests to upload it anyway. Although it is too big to run out of RAM
from many machines, the frame to frame deltas are small enough that it
should run from an HD very well (using biganim, rtap, or MainActor).
It can be found (when it gets there) in the gfx/anim subdirectory and is
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This is approximately the first 2500 frames of my short film, "One
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blow-up pool floaty toy, who has aspirations of escaping his dark and
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in LightWave 2.0, took nearly 6 months to create and involved a solid
4 months of continuous rendering. The original motivation for the film
was to show off some of the latest effects I had developed using
LightWave which included a spectacular animated simulation of rain and
a pretty darn good pool (IMHO). Render times on a 28MHz Zeus equipped
2000 averaged about 1 hour per frame (some took up to 2 hours and 40
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The animation in this file has been shrunk down from 24bit 752x480 to
188x120 in 4bit grayscale so that a good sized chunk of the film (a
"teaser") could be shown without consuming gobs of memory. The
original files consumed well over 2.5GB. When playing this animation,
make sure to limit playback speed to 30fps. The deltas are small
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Hardware used:

Commodore Amiga 2000, Progressive Peripherals Zeus accelerator, NewTek
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Software used:
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I have done some of this in the past and found that the easiest thing was
to just draw it by hand FLAT, scan the flat bolt material (tape some animation
pegs to a flatbed scanner), then map it on a mostly-transparent "halo" shape
around the "electrified" model. An important addition is to apply the
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I lost Preview Technology's phone number and I need to order
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Thanks

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+-- Scott Jones wrote:
| On Sep 9, Stuart (Stuart Ferguson) wrote:
| > There is an option called "Glow Behind Objects" that should almost always be
| > turned OFF.  This causes the lens flare to be rendered NOT inside the camera
| > where a lens flare should be, but out in the 3D space, as if it were part of
| > the light somehow.  The option is there so that flares can be used to create
| > other types of special effects (I think the seqQuest people asked for this
| > option), but it is not correct for a true lens flare.
|
| I can understand the request for an option like this when working with
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| underwater scenes.  Logic being, the water would be almost like another
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Indeed.  The effect simulates having a lightsource embedded in a
translucent medium, like water with tiny particles in it, or fog.
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> well, maybe i do believe the hammerhead on seaquest was lightwave :-)
> i just uuencoded mark thompsons shark scene, replaced the
> sharks with the viewpoint hammerhead shark, and rendered a couple of
> frames. the images are cool :-) check it out
> (thanks mark !)
> (thanks viewpoint)
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Viewpoint has a HammerHead object?  Is it PD or is this one of there
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>From the net ...

>
>The completely computer generated half hour computer animation (cartoon)
>is to air again this Saturday - 9/11/93 on Fox.  Lamb & Company (the
>production company of the animation) is not yet on the net, and a friend
>of mine up there has asked me to post this information.  Also, based on
>a recent thread, this appears to be quite timely.
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>Here are some details: the time is 10:00 CDT (after X-men) -- this is
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>the same time it showed last time (a few months ago).  It should be
>pointed out that this is the same episode that has been shown previously.
>Only one has been made so far, and no more are currently in production,
>though clearly, this is something that was intended from the begining
>if things work out.
>
>This animation won the Animation of the Year award at the recent Silicon
>Graphics Developer's Forum Animation Festival.  Here is the description
>of that catagory: "The single entry from the above categories which
>stands above the rest, artistically, technically, and in its contribution
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>Also, to answer some of the other questions floating around this group:
>Wavefront was used for the rendering, and some modelling, but anyone
>who has done significant computer animation should know, that there is
>always a considerable amount of in-house software written to do
>animation, and this was certainly the case for "Crash Test Dummies."
>Modelling and rendering are only a small part of doing an animation.
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>While I think we can all agree that the story is not so hot (my friend
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>hour cartoon done entirely in computer animation is a pretty amazing
>feat (24 minutes really of course).  Also, they experimented with using
>direct performance input for many of the motions.
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    Well, for lightning...  I've never tried such a thing, but
    this might work:

    If you need to have the lightning flow around your object (as
    if it were slightly above the surface of the object) you will
    need to make a copy of the object, and scale it up slightly so that
    the lightning won't touch it... For example... if your object was
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    as a new object.  Be sure to name all the polygons in the
    new object "lightning" or some such.  Make it an appropriate
    lightning color... perhaps bright blue.  Make if fully luminous
    and set the diffuse level to zero.  Create a transparency texture
    map...  try the marble texture with very thin and high contrast
    black marbling on white.  Then set the texture in motion.

    Different marble texture and speed settings will allow for a
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>>       There's a bug in the lensflare that results in little dark spots in
>> the flare.  Anybody know a good way around that?
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>I don't think I've ever seen this, can you describe it in more detail?
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    Using the RANDOM STARS object and a POINT SOURCE light between them
and the camera, the stars themselves show up as little black squares in the

red glow area of the lens flare.  And yes, I did check the positioning of
everything.

    I believe this is actually a different bug from another lensflare
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>> 2)  In what order are deformations applied?  If I morph an object, will
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    Damn!  I assumed (that word again) that since >>morphing<< a >target<
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>> 3)  If one is displacement mapping an object, and using that object as a
>>       morph target, is the object that is being morphed affected?
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>deformantions are applied, you should be able to accomplish whatever you
>are attempting.

    I'm not so sure, especially since I was counting on using WORLD
    COORDINATES on a >>rotating<< target, without the morpher moving.
    How would one approach that, without generating a moving series of
    displacement maps (which I was trying to avoid)?


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>With regard to question #3, this is the one thing you lose by having disp maps
>applied after morphs. Currently, you would have to generate an image sequence.

    Indeed.  Also, it seems very simple, logical, and handy.  Shoud be
    easy to code too.

    (Frankly, I'd like EVERY SINGLE VALUE in LW to be controllable.)

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Not sure about the particular Hammerhead as I haven't seen the SeaQuest trailer,
but I know that at least _a_ hammerhead should be in SeaQuest. In the article in
the last Video Toaster User about Bones, the example hammerhead shark is credited as being courtesy of Amblin Entertainment and Eric Barba, who is one of the
animators mentioned in the same issue as working on SeaQuest.

Just a guess, anyway.

(Whoops, missed a bit of English up there, it should say "at least _a_ hammerhead should be >CG< in SeaQuest"...Doesn't make much difference the other way as
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Hi,

    I have a very urgent problem for a project I'm working on for a client.
I need to make an object that looks something like a loose ball of yarn. I will
need to get close to a single stand and do some things to it.

    So simple you say, make a bunch of random points and make a crazy
curve, then just use rail extrude a cross section alone the curve and there you
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it would look like 2 strands twisted together.
That's the hard part.  Now if only I could rotate the cross section alone
the axis of the extruding curve, then I could just make 2 circles for the
cross section, but I can't.

    Any one have any Ides?????  This is really really really important.  OH
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>The loose ball of yarn is suppose to be DNA in a cell, and as we all
>know DNA is a DOUBLE HELIX.

Hmm... rail extrusion with rotation around the curve axis... Imagine
2.0 has this feature; its unfortunate that LW 3.0 doesn't :(

There is one nitpick I have... when DNA looks like a loose ball of
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double helix is *NOT* visible. When the double helix is visible, you
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You might as well take a shape like this:
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Not as aesthetic, but it is correct...

If you need a real accurate DNA model, try picking up a pdb file
from pdb.pdb.bnl.gov, which has crystallographic coordinates of
lots of proteins. I do remember seeing DNA there, and if pestered,
I can run it through my pdb=>LW Arexx script and give up a alpha
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but I digress... back to hacking out more LW Arexx scripts. ;)

(am I the only molecular biologist in the group? )

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well, what did you think ?
i thought the CG was overall very good looking-although seaquest itself looked
a bit like ol'Babylon five :-)
the acting was MUCH better than Babylon :-)

a note, it LOOKED like Newtek and the Video Toaster had a separate credit, but since
NBC chose that precise minute to "toasterize" :-) the screen and reduce the credits to
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the screen was enlarged back to normal size :-) :-) :-)
hey, didn't Apple advertise Newton during this show ? Coincidence ? naaaaahhh :-)

kevin

congrats to allen, stuart, foundation, etc. Network TV and the Toaster !
now please stop with the network tv sucks campaign :-)

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The hammerhead in the SQDSV logo was almost certainly CG, hence LightWave.

1. The body color is extremely uniform. Even in pretty clear water, the falloff
    would shift the color a few points.

2. The dorsal flickers.

BTW, why the preponderance of Hammerheads? I noticed Hammerhead iconography
on the bridges of BOTH the SeaQuest and the "Delta 4" (which was oddly

classified as a Typhoon variant, but looked nothing like one).

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be a board which fools Lightwave into thinking the toaster is present, and is
supposed to sell for about $300.

Any one know the real deal?




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>congrats to allen, stuart, foundation, etc. Network TV and the Toaster !

Thanks!  I should point out however that Foundation Imaging was not involved
in the seaQuest effects.  Those shots were done by a different team of
artists called Amblin Imaging (which includes VTU columnist John Gross).
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> The hammerhead in the SQDSV logo was almost certainly CG, hence LightWave.

Nope.  This question was asked on CompuServe, and John Gross, an animator
for Seaquest, said it was a real shark.

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>> The hammerhead in the SQDSV logo was almost certainly CG, hence LightWave.
>
>Nope.  This question was asked on CompuServe, and John Gross, an animator
>for Seaquest, said it was a real shark.
>
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    Really?  I swear it looked like CG.  Maybe it was a real shark
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About a year ago I heard about some guys in Santa Monica/West LA doing
this for their "personal comsumption." They seemed to be secretive about
it, but maybe because they'd failed. Or they thought they'd be sued
(a tough case). Or... looking for venture capital?

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> Anyone hear any of the rumours about the "LightRave" board? It is supposed to
> be a board which fools Lightwave into thinking the toaster is present, and is
> supposed to sell for about $300.

I wasn't at the show, but my informed sources tell me that it is a software
Toaster emulation with a serial port dongle. Coupled with the NewTek 3.0
upgrade, it makes the Toasterless LightWave people have been begging for a
reality. I haven't seen it work yet myself. I'm very curious to see how
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>
> Nope.  This question was asked on CompuServe, and John Gross, an animator
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>>The loose ball of yarn is suppose to be DNA in a cell, and as we all
>>know DNA is a DOUBLE HELIX.
>
>Hmm... rail extrusion with rotation around the curve axis... Imagine
>2.0 has this feature; its unfortunate that LW 3.0 doesn't :(

Aha! Thanks god someone said that before me!!! :))) (Thanks Charles!)
Maybe Stuart could do his little black magic again and give us an AREXX
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> > The hammerhead in the SQDSV logo was almost certainly CG, hence LightWave.
> Nope.  This question was asked on CompuServe, and John Gross, an animator
> for Seaquest, said it was a real shark.
> Steve

Very odd, then that the dorsal flickers. I've reviewed it on tape a few
times, and since the element was live, the shadow must have been painted
in (or super'd with a hack) -- but if you've gone all the way to roto the
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At first, I thought it was a real shark. Then I saw the LW dolphin, and
figured that the shark couldn't be that much harder... plus that flat color
and flickering element. A nice model would be required, though... like that
prominent vein on the rear flank.

Have all of the effects for the (first?) SQDSV season already been laid-out,
broken-down, and planned? I hope they can make things look more like
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and then I felt like I was watching "Battle of the Flashlights"!

Also, will Kersh be the regular director, or just for the pilot?

kb

PS re "Networks Suck": Considering that Amblin gave NewTek a nice fullscreen
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>What this problem really needs is a polygon reduction routine.
>Several recent Siggraph proceeding cover this technique, also known
>as "decimation."  We'll integrate it into ICP in the v4.0 version.
>This gives a typical reduction of 70 percent or so, leaving about 40K
>polygons in the above terrain.  This is still prohibitive for many
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When will that version be released, John? By the way, I use Pixel 3D Pro
extensively, mainly for font->3D conversion (I don't have LW3.0 yet, I'll
get it this week, I hope :). In this issue, how does Interchange Plus
performs? I've heard that it's not very known 'cause it only deals with
object conversion, and nothing else (i.e. no objects real-time manipula-
tion/viewing, no choose font/type text/get 3D object, etc.). Excuse my
total ignorance about the program, but is that true? And what about the
object conversion in itself? Is it better than Pixel's in LW<->Imagine
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and Imagine to describe algorithmically the color variation? I guess that
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hello there

well we in australia are enthuasistic about the video toaster being used in tv
productions. we just saw babylon 5 pilot eposide from our video store here. we
would like to know is there any kind soul out there who video taped the
SEAQUEST show and would be willing to send us that video etc. i'll pick up the
tab or cost to recieve here in australia.

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     Hello there,

  I have a big problem to solve . It's very important to me (i'll probably
lost my job if i don't solve) i have an A2000 with ZEUS 33mhz and a TOASTER
2.0 and i got an animation to do for TV (i work here in brazil in a TV).
Well , the end of the commercial was made by a group that works with 3DStudio
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  Please i want to show them that the machine is  right and the problem is
money (to invest) but i don't know what they could buy to speed-up my machine.
  Why this 3DStudio is so fast. I can sure that both animations (from them

and mine) are simple,but they do it in 13 hours and i will take 6 days!!!
Please help me , if i don't know what to buy i'll problaby be dismiss of the TV


  P.S. I have 5 months to know the answer .

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Hello Everyone,

I have uploaded a 4.5Mg Anim to Aminet of a chunk of my first demo
tape..  The anim is 330 frames long and has been scaled down from
framestore size to 320 x 200.  The anim is in HAM format..

The name of it is: Scott's_Box.lha

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On Sep 10, Kevin (Kevin Kodama) wrote:

> hi scott,
> the hammerhead shark was one of the free datasets given out at the latest SIGGRAPH,
> i got my copy from Portal i think, and i am sure it is floating around the net too.
> see ya,
> kevin
> [e-mail]
> p.s. there was also a chevy convertible, a surfboard, a female figure, and a couple of other
> objects...the shark and the chevy are the coolest...:-)

Hi Kevin, and Everyone else,

I have found the 57chevy, the surfboard, and the shark, only prob is that
they are either in .obj format or .iob format.  Does anyone know where
I could find the LWobs...

If someone would like to uuencode them for me, I will certainly remember
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> Have all of the effects for the (first?) SQDSV season already been laid-out,
> broken-down, and planned?

I was talking to Mark Swain last night and I believe he mentioned their up to
episode #7.

> PS re "Networks Suck": Considering that Amblin gave NewTek a nice fullscreen
> credit, which was shrunk to near-subpixel size by NBC, there may be a
> dumb pun here. Conspiracy theories, anyone?

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Hi All,
Don't think my previous request made it to the mailing list so
here it is again...

In my version of LW (2.XX), if I load a backdrop image, and make an object
in front of it transparent, the BACKGROUND COLOUR would show through the
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Howdy,

There was a recent question about whether someone should
go with a Video Toaster or PC/3dStudio for desktop animation.
Since the requestor already had a 386 PC, he was suggested
to go with 3dStudio (which makes a lot of sense).  However,
I currently do not have either platform and I would like
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Therefore, I am looking for opinions for experienced folks
out there who can shed light on the strengths and weaknesses
of both platforms.  I'm sure most people are biased towards
a platform if its all they have, but are they any folks
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I look forward to your "humble" opinions.

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Whoops| :-)

> Hi Kevin, and Everyone else,
>
> I have found the 57chevy, the surfboard, and the shark, only prob is that
> they are either in .obj format or .iob format.  Does anyone know where
> I could find the LWobs...
>
> If someone would like to uuencode them for me, I will certainly remember
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> Thanks..Scott A Jones

Scott -
Give me a site name to upload them to and I'll convert & upload them.  Does
Aminet have a LightWave specific directory?

Ivan Ivanick
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Adriano,

Make sure you have LW 3.0 so you can use shadow mapping.  Shadow mapping
is many times faster than ray-traced shadows, and is the only type that
the current 3DStudio uses (LW 3.0 allows both).  Also, if you can use
reflection mapping instead of ray-traced reflections the time will also
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                      HELP! I Need a Super Human male&female model
Can someone help me out?  I am looking for a Superhero data set.  I need a male
and female model..   Preferable in either DXF or Lightwave format.  I need
these for a school project I am working on.  The catch is, I am not an Amiga
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Adriano (psergio@brufba) writes:
> i have an A2000 with ZEUS 33mhz and a TOASTER 2.0
> 3DStudio w/reflections and shadows (5 secs that take 13 hours to complete)
> amiga is taking 1 hour to render each frame
> they do it in 13 hours and i will take 6 days!!!
> P.S. I have 5 months to know the answer .

Seems to me you can afford the 6 days if you have 5 months for an answer :-)
The first obvious solution is LW3.0 since it can speed up rendering on an
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software. Scenes with shadows are most aided as the new shadow mapping is
MUCH faster than the traced shadows you are currently using. Will you be
as fast as 3DStudio? 3DS is damn fast and in my experience, quicker than
LW3, but the margin has been greatly diminished. However, since you have some
time to get competitive, NewTek's Screamer should be released within your
5 month time frame and dollar for dollar, nothing can touch that for speed
and power.  Your 6 day LW2 animation could quite possibly take less than an
hour on a Screamer. Would that save your job? :-)

> (i work here in brazil in a TV).
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>   I have a big problem to solve . It's very important to me (i'll probably
> lost my job if i don't solve) i have an A2000 with ZEUS 33mhz and a TOASTER
> 2.0 and i got an animation to do for TV (i work here in brazil in a TV).
> Well , the end of the commercial was made by a group that works with 3DStudio
> and it has reflections and shadows (5 secs that take 13 hours to complete).My
> part , another 5 secs i want to do with reflections and shadows too.But my
> amiga is taking 1 hour to render each frame and the TV is thinking that they
> got the wrong machine.
>   Please i want to show them that the machine is  right and the problem is
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>   Why this 3DStudio is so fast. I can sure that both animations (from them
> and mine) are simple,but they do it in 13 hours and i will take 6 days!!!
> Please help me , if i don't know what to buy i'll problaby be dismiss of the TV
>
    Here are a few reasons why your Lightwave renderings are takeing
so long. Are you ray tracing? As far as I know 3D Studio doesn't ray trace
because it takes to long. You should try to minimize the ray tracing of
reflections by using brush maps. You should turn off refraction unless you
absolutly have to have it (and can wait for the rendering) Use brush maps
for textures as much as posible to decrease redering time.

    Lightwave 2.0 is not optimized to preform on the 040 board you
have, Upgrade to 3.0 and you will see a dramatic increase in speed. The
software upgrade is a good deal ($800.00 or so) and will give you some
very nice effects you can't do with 2.0. (motion blur, depth of field,
lens flare, bones ) and Modeler is fantastic.
    Can Lightwave 2.0 render shadow maps? (I can't remember, I only
had 2.0 a short time before going to 3.0) If you can use shadow maps
rather than tracing shadows, you'll see them render faster.
    Are you sure your using the FP version of Lightwave? If I remember
right, you need to rename LightwaveFP and ModelerFP to 'Lightwave' and
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the about button to find out what version your using. And make sure you
rename the standard 'Lightwave' and 'Modeler' to something like
'Lightwave.old' and 'Modeler.old' so you can get them back if you need to
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> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 05:46:08 CST
> Reply-To: stereo![e-mail]
> From: stereo![e-mail](Scott A Jones)
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> On Sep 10, Kevin (Kevin Kodama) wrote:
>
> > hi scott,
> > the hammerhead shark was one of the free datasets given out at the latest
>  SIGGRAPH,
> > i got my copy from Portal i think, and i am sure it is floating around the net
>  too.
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> > see ya,
> > kevin
> > [e-mail]
> > p.s. there was also a chevy convertible, a surfboard, a female figure, and a
>  couple of other
> > objects...the shark and the chevy are the coolest...:-)
> >
>
> Hi Kevin, and Everyone else,
>
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> they are either in .obj format or .iob format.  Does anyone know where
> I could find the LWobs...
>
> If someone would like to uuencode them for me, I will certainly remember
> you when it comes time to write my will..  ;)
>
> Thanks..Scott A Jones
>
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I have seen a hacked version of lightwave that will do everything
without the taoster except render the output.  There is no doubt that this
is a violation of Copyright laws, but it means that NewTech could certainly
make the same product.  If they felt really ambitious they could even make
the rendering retargetable.  Hmmmm.

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James, it is not a bug. Anything in the background is not considered a 3-D
object. Therefore, it cannot be rendered in a trace. You need to texture
map your image to a polygon for it to be traced thru your other obj.
Just size your polygon to be your background in the layout. Make sure to click
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Mark,
Tim Wilson of the AntiGravity people has some great models Called Humanoid.
A very robust man and woman with highly detailed closeups. (Also child). They
are made to be animated with cycles (hierarchy) included. Give them a call in
LALA land 310-393-6650   Tel them Tim sent you.

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>     Hello there,
>
>  I have a big problem to solve . It's very important to me (i'll probably
>lost my job if i don't solve) i have an A2000 with ZEUS 33mhz and a TOASTER
>2.0 and i got an animation to do for TV (i work here in brazil in a TV).
>Well , the end of the commercial was made by a group that works with
>3DStudio
>and it has reflections and shadows (5 secs that take 13 hours to
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>part , another 5 secs i want to do with reflections and shadows too.But my
>amiga is taking 1 hour to render each frame and the TV is thinking that
>they
>got the wrong machine.
>  Why this 3DStudio is so fast. I can sure that both animations (from them
>and mine) are simple,but they do it in 13 hours and i will take 6 days!!!

Well, ah..the first thing you should get is the upgrade to version 3.0 of
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more anyway.  You should have a good 18 megs of fast (32bit) ram.

Other things would be to reduce the polys on your objects..if there are polys
that are not needed, delete them or reduce them to single polys.  I'm sure
there are a ton of other things you can do to reduce your render times.

Ah..I'm not familiar with the ZEUS..is that an 040 based accellerator?  If
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| right, you need to rename LightwaveFP and ModelerFP to 'Lightwave' and
| 'Modeler' in order to use the faster 'FP' versions of the software. Check
| the about button to find out what version your using.  [...]

Do check the About button first.  LightWave should say "FP version"
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>Have all of the effects for the (first?) SQDSV season already been laid-out,
>broken-down, and planned? I hope they can make things look more like
>they're underwater. My daughter kept calling the subs "spaceships" through
>the whole thing -- they move too fast, no waves, no water displacement,
>and everything black with big halos -- it looks good for about 10 seconds,
>and then I felt like I was watching "Battle of the Flashlights"!

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    the sub-chase in "The Abyss", why did it look so convincing
    compared to SQDSV?


>
>Also, will Kersh be the regular director, or just for the pilot?
>
    Television shows normally have rotating directors.  They take
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> .... NBC seems to be trying to kill this one already.  That's
> the biggest indicator that it could be a successful show.  NBC
> only tries really hard to destroy shows that are capable of
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>....... Will you be
>as fast as 3DStudio? 3DS is damn fast and in my experience, quicker than
>LW3, but the margin has been greatly diminished.

    I've often wondered about this.  WHY is 3DS so much faster?  Is it
    because AutoDesk has twenty guys pounding on assembly code?  And 3DS
    reflection mapping seems pretty darn speedy compared to LW.  How
    come?  Different approaches?  3DS seemed like 'true' environmental
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    Ahh well, I still prefer LightWave.  Its interface just seems
    to make >>sense<<.


>However, since you have some
>time to get competitive, NewTek's Screamer should be released within your
>5 month time frame and dollar for dollar, nothing can touch that for speed
>and power.  Your 6 day LW2 animation could quite possibly take less than an
>hour on a Screamer. Would that save your job? :-)

    Now that LightRave exists Adriano (sp?) may be in a position for a LWave
    render farm, using '040 equipped 1200's, as a stopgap until
    the Screamer ships.
>
>> (I work here in brazil in a TV).
>
>Sounds cramped :-)

    ya beat me to it, Mark.

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Anybody had the 'pleasure' of trouble-shooting an Amilink/VT editing system.

Seems as though I can get everything to work during initializing the
system.  But when I actually go to record, the stuff won't roll.

Any clues?


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> > The problem you are experiencing is with not having the 1084.. The VT4000
> > is looking for a 1084 to get it's sync.  There is a way around this, I
> > will include the letter..
>
> I was just reading these when I realized that I stuck a Toaster 4000 in a
> A3000 yesterday that has a tri-sync monitor on it (NEC Multisync (HA) 2A).
> There is nothing connected to the A3000 that scans at 15.75kHz.
>
> So,did CBM change something from the A2000/A3000 when going to the A4000 that
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> fine related to the jumpers I changed on the Toaster to put it in the A3000.
> If it is the second reason, then why did NewTek do this for the A4000...seems
> silly.
> If it is the first reason, then it is just another example of how CBM is
> slowly killing the Ami, unintentionally of course.
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Yes, it was the first reason I've heard. CBM changed something on the
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There've been a few posts about the interface plug that forces the
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    I felt there was something wrong with the ballistics of the
    subs, but couldn't put my finger on it.  Taking as an example
    the sub-chase in "The Abyss", why did it look so convincing
    compared to SQDSV?

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direction -- especially if the sub if very non-hydrodynamic, like any
of these mini subs, the wiskers, or the SQ itself.

A sub at neutral bouyancy (normal operating state) has the same overall
density as the water surrounding it. That means that every time the
sub moves a distance equivalent to its own length, it's moved a volume
of water equal to its own weight. For stuff designed like SQ, it's
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My guess is the animators weren't that familiar with underwater dynamics,
or even boatsmanship. And they moved everything fast to keep the shots
short (renderable) and action-packed (entertaining). I don't blame Conti
et al as much as I do the Art Director(s). I think the toaster guys took
a really good shot at what they had to do.

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> hi scott, i too have only seen them in iob format...but you DO have INterchange plus
> or Pixel Pro don't you ?
>
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> kevin
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> James, it is not a bug. Anything in the background is not considered a 3-D
> object. Therefore, it cannot be rendered in a trace. You need to texture
> map your image to a polygon for it to be traced thru your other obj.

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Hey, I got the LW objects! Tell me where to u/l. I'll try this weekend. BTW
call Viewpoint and they'll send you the disk and a catalog for free!

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While I haven't really 'troubleshot' an Amilink/VT system, I have _used_ one,
and had no trouble at all with it. I'm waiting on the upgrade so it will work
with 3.0, but before that worked just fine.

What Amilink setup do you have?


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> I've often wondered about this.  WHY is 3DS so much faster?

I don't know, but I have heard many people comment that they thought 3DS
output wasn't as nice as LightWave's. Perhaps they are making some
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>     Ahh well, I still prefer LightWave.  Its interface just seems
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>Ya I have Pixel Pro, but I thought ViewPoint might have released LW
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>Oh Well...  :(
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in Lightwave format, I have no idea if they do or don't.  I would imagine they
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amount of Toaster/Lightwave combos out there in the marketplace.  It only
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It's hard to tell exactly what it might be.  Do you have control over the
decks for cueing and in/out point selection?  If not, check your node
designation in the patch bay.

Perhaps if you could relay what you can do I could be of more help.

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> Ya I have Pixel Pro, but I thought ViewPoint might have released LW
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I talked to ViewPoint the other day and if you can't get them already,
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I have a friend that has a light inside a box and he said that in trace
reflection mode the top of the lens flair is getting choped off. He said
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I guess I was a little vague with my initial post.

What I was 'really' trying to say was that our Amilink system is working
fine EXCEPT for when I attempt to use it for recording animations.

I'm not sure what codes to use with ANIMTO.

Amilink manuals say one thing . . . the Toaster manual says another . . .
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We're using an AG 7750 as a 'single-frame' deck.  I can get ANIMTO to
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> Because water is HEAVY. No matter how powerful your screws or impellers
> are, the water will be very heavy relative to the sub.

Nope.  The water displaced by the sub weighs exactly the same as the sub.  As
you said later, "A sub at neutral bouyancy (normal operating state) has the same
overall density as the water surrounding it."  Density is mass divided by volume
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Since the sub excludes a volume of water equal to it's own volume, and the
desities must be equal, the masses must be equal too for the equation to
balance.

The way a sub dives is to admit water to ballast tanks inside its structure.
This effectively reduces the sub's volume, while its mass remains the same (or
increases, depending on how you look at it.  Is the water in the tank part of
the sub or part of the ocean?  Does closing the flood valve make any difference?
This may be more of a philosophical question...).  Reducing volume while not
reducing mass causes the density to increase (D = M/V), the sub is now more
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dense than the water, and it goes down.  If the water in the tanks is replaced
by something less dense than water (air is commonly used, but kerosene was used
in the Trieste (a deep diving bathyscaphe - made it to the bottom of the
Marianas Trench and back)) the density will decrease and the sub will rise.
Decreasing the mass will also cause a density decrease, which is why many
deep-diving subs carry ballast weights that they can drop in an emergency to get
back to the surface.

> and the backwash alone will carry the sub around in a little bit random
> direction -- especially if the sub if very non-hydrodynamic, like any
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> of these mini subs, the wiskers, or the SQ itself.

The continued motion is partly backwash, partly momentum.  The randomness in the
motion is mostly due to to unbalanced drag on various portions of the object.
The more streamlined the object, the less it "bobs and weaves" as it slows to a
stop after power is cut.  Much of the drag is velocity related and different
spots of drag can interfere with each other resulting in drags that vary in
location and intensity with changes in velocity as the object slows, thus the
"random" motions.

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> My guess is the animators weren't that familiar with underwater dynamics,

No?!?  Really?  They completely forgot about cavitation.  This is similar to
supersonic shockwaves in air, and it results from moving things too fast for the
water to be able to fill in the space just vacated by the object.  The result is
little "holes" in the water.  Propelers have big problems with this, since when
the next blade encounters the "hole" the resistance to rotation suddenly
decreases, then increases when it hits the other side of the hole.  Asside from
the enormous noise created by this (sonarmen can hear a cavitating propeler for
miles and estimate boat speed if they know the boat type), the stress put on the
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propeler and drive shaft by lots of cavitation can be damaging.

They also seem to ignore the power requirements for rapid movement through dense
fluids.  As speed increases the power required goes up dramatically (I'm not
sure, but I believe it is an exponential relationship).  I have, personally,
generated enough horsepower to move a 65 foot motor yacht...but at about 0.68
miles per hour.  To get it up to around 35 miles per hour takes two Caterpilar
V8 diesels!  Those ocean racers that can do up around 80 knots (the Cigarette
boats) have power plants that put out well over 1000 horsepower.  Not being
streamlined increases drag and the amount of power required to achieve any given

speed.  Streamlining and power equall speed.  That's why jellyfish never win
races with dolphins... ;^)

> And they moved everything fast to keep the shots short (renderable) and
> action-packed (entertaining). I don't blame Conti et al as much as I do the Art
> Director(s). I think the toaster guys took a really good shot at what they had
> to do.

I agree.  This is most likely the real reason.  The solution would have been to
design objects that LOOK like they might be able to achieve the perfonmance the
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without enough power to move a carrier.

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Greetings, Fellow 'Wavers!:

    I'm looking for suggestions on how to accomplish the following
effect:

    I want to warp a long cylindrical object in such a way that it
looks as if it is flexible and being forced into an invisible form.
This form is in the shape of a "U", so the animation is "a straight object
moves through space, bends thru a "U" turn, then continues, straightening
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    This object has a great deal of texture mapping on it, so the
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bend with the object.

    Looking forward to your input(s).

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>Hey, I got the LW objects! Tell me where to u/l. I'll try this weekend. BTW
>call Viewpoint and they'll send you the disk and a catalog for free!
>
>Tim
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Ok, let's try this one:

I'm trying to get a smooth fountain of dollar bills to arch from
one receptacle to another.  Rather than creating a myriad of bills
and moving each individually, I'm trying to re-use the same 20
bills over and over, and simply having them repeat their motion.

Unfortunately, this is not easy.  The first bill goes great.
Starting at frame "0" it goes thru the arc from receptacle1 to
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Bill#2 starts to show us the problem.  Let's try to get it 90 degrees
out of phase with bill1.

At frame 0, it should be at the crest of its arc.
At frame 30, in receptacle2.
At frame 31, in receptacle1.
At frame 60, just >before< the crest of the arc.

The spline movement of objects becomes a problem, since there is no
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(apparent/easy) way to make the arc of bill2 the same EXACT shape as
bill1 without a LOT of futzing around for every single bill I want to
be in this fountain.

I hate to say it, but Imagine has a "follow" function that would make
this trivial.

So, as a suggestion to Allen:

    We need a follow function, with (of course) a variable offset.
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  OR
    We need some kind of repeatable movement that will spline across
    frame zero (the repeat point).  Then it can be "slid" on the
    motion timeline to the animator's heart's content.

Now, my next approach will be to parent the bills to a rotating
null point, and achieve the un-circular arc with a simple repeating
offset.  I believe this will work FOR THIS PARTICULAR MOTION, because
the motion is basically circular (actually oval).  However, if I was
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I'd be up the creek.  As it is I will still need to work some magic
with transparency envelopes, because receptacle#1 is suspended in
"mid-air".

    Somebody PLEEZZE tell me I'm missing a very obvious way to
do this.  PUH-LEEZE!

    [e-mail]

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In my "Images:SPACE" directory of my 3.0 upgrade are some mystery
images with names like "Dread.hull" and "Dread.detail".  Anybody
know to what object they are related?

    [e-mail]

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> What I was 'really' trying to say was that our Amilink system is working
> fine EXCEPT for when I attempt to use it for recording animations.
> I'm not sure what codes to use with ANIMTO.
> Amilink manuals say one thing . . . the Toaster manual says another . . .
> our technical reps say another . . . and RGB never seems to be home.
>
> We're using an AG 7750 as a 'single-frame' deck.  I can get ANIMTO to
> initialize the deck.  But nothing happens after configuring LW settings and
> pressing RECORD.

    Ahh, you're using the majic combination.  You should be
experiencing no toubles.  EXCEPT that there is a misprint in Amilink's
manual on using AMITO.
    In thier description on how to use AMITO, they tell you to type in
a character, followed by a carrage return inside the Record Setup for
Lightwave.  What they really meant is to enter that character followed
by  ^M   Yep, that is shift 6 (carrot symbol) followed by capitol M.
Sorry, I forgot exactly what that first character is;  check the manual.
    Anyhow, upon contacting Amilink last month at 6:30pm on
a Friday, they jumped and faxed me the updated pages for my client's
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manual.  Not bad for afterhours on a weekend.
    There are also a few quirks with AMITO.  Let us know how
you have it setup, your sequence and such.
    Also, you may already know about that misprint.  In any case,
keep the specific information details comming...  and I am sure there
is someone here to help.

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> Hey, I got the LW objects! Tell me where to u/l. I'll try this weekend. BTW
> call Viewpoint and they'll send you the disk and a catalog for free!
>
> Tim
> [e-mail]
>

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Have you ever worked with UUencode?  That would be the "easiest" method.
Then you could just mail them out to the list.  ;)

Or if UUencode is not your friend, you could u/load them to
wuarchive.wustl.edu, and just name them with something that specifically
denotes LW in the filename (beings Wuarchive doesnt have a specific LW
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Thanks..
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> > I've often wondered about this.  WHY is 3DS so much faster?
>
> I don't know, but I have heard many people comment that they thought 3DS
> output wasn't as nice as LightWave's. Perhaps they are making some
> simplifying asumptions that increase speed, but sacrifice quality to
> some degree.

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> >     Ahh well, I still prefer LightWave.  Its interface just seems
> >     to make >>sense<<.
>
> I have to agree. 3DS feels awkard to me.

Born and raised on LightWave. :)
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> > Ya I have Pixel Pro, but I thought ViewPoint might have released LW
> > specific objects, rather than just iob and obj formats...
>
> I talked to ViewPoint the other day and if you can't get them already,
> Lightwave support is comming very soon.
>
     Viewpoint does indeed support LW. I have the "beach" objects in LW
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fountain of bills....

I'm not sure how this would look compared to what you are attempting,
but it seems to me a quick and dirty method would be to model the path
you want the bills to take a a cylinder bent to match the shape of
the path, made bumpy a'la the steps in the 'asteroid' tutorial.  Then
create a long surface map of randomly placed bills, and a matching 2 color
transparency map.  Map this onto the fountain path with a velocity and direction
fitting the path you want the bills to take.  Putting in some random
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takes different enough to be individual.  The bumps on the tube should
make them appear to flutter, and if you get the tube the right size they
shpould appear as a stream rather than just a tube.  If they appear to
tube like, put another, smaller tube, inside the first using slightly
faster surface velocities.  Don't forget to set polygons double sided, and
to use a clip map, instead of transparency map if you are shadow mapping.


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Anybody recommend a vector drawing program for the Amiga that can
output OBJECTS to Lightwave?

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>        Ahh, you're using the majic combination.  You should be
>experiencing no toubles.  EXCEPT that there is a misprint in Amilink's
>manual on using AMITO.
>        In thier description on how to use AMITO, they tell you to type in
>a character, followed by a carrage return inside the Record Setup for
>Lightwave.  What they really meant is to enter that character followed
>by  ^M   Yep, that is shift 6 (carrot symbol) followed by capitol M.
>Sorry, I forgot exactly what that first character is;  check the manual.
>        Anyhow, upon contacting Amilink last month at 6:30pm on
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>manual.  Not bad for afterhours on a weekend.
>        There are also a few quirks with AMITO.  Let us know how
>you have it setup, your sequence and such.
>        Also, you may already know about that misprint.  In any case,
>keep the specific information details comming...  and I am sure there
>is someone here to help.


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 Okay,
    I recentley purchased lightwave 3.0 and been having alot of fun
     with it.
        Couple of questions

     1. I've found a couple of incorrect references under the manual so far.
    One is regarding the drilling tutorial, they refer to the solid drill
    being under the combine option? I found it under tools instead.
        This was a very minor irratation, however while working the Saturn
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    on my drive, I believe it was the Surface rings, and rings color map
    for the outer ring around saturn itself.
          Anybody know where I might find these?

     2. In 2.0 Fighter demo scene the fighters have some of the nicest surface
    detail/texture mapping I've seen. On a closer look, I've found that
        they use a specular texture map, and I believe a displacement texture
     map (could be wrong).
        My texturing methods stink (yes I'm currently quite frustrated :').
        Why are they useing the above method as opposed to Just surface mapping.
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        When would Surface mapping be appropriate?
    I've tried ftpmailing the bobsbox to get the archived mailing list,
        all I was able to get was the help on commands.
    Does anybody have a sample mail message of how to request this list?
    Any good books on Lightwave Texture/Surface Techniques forsale?

     3. Alright I know I said only a couple of questions, but I passed that a
        while ago.
    I take it that if I directly map the surface of an object I'm S.O.L.
    when it comes to using the fog option, under backgrounds.
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        So, is there a way of using the fog option and still use a texture map
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                Lightwave 3D(tm) without the Toaster?

                    The solution is Lightrave(tm)!

September, 1993. Richmond, VA - Warm and Fuzzy Logic, Inc. announced their
solution for the Amiga(tm) computer which allows you to use NewTek's
Lightwave 3D animation system without the Video Toaster(tm). The product
is Lightrave - an all new hardware device that resides on the serial port
of ANY Amiga computer and emulates the necessary Toaster functions that
allow Lightwave to fully function on your Amiga!

Features:

HIGH SPEED EMULATION: Lightrave is a custom hardware module that emulates
all of the Toaster functions needed by Lightwave 3D!

TOASTER FREEDOM: Lightrave enables any Amiga to run Lightwave 3D without
requiring a Video Toaster to be installed.

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NEW ADVANCED FEATURES: Lightrave adds a suite of professional features never
before available to Lightwave 3D users.

FASTER!!  Lightrave will render images faster than a Toaster equipped Amiga,
as no lengthy display time to the Video Toaster is required.

TRUE 24 BIT DISPLAY: Rendering is no longer limited to the Toaster's
composite display alone. Lightrave now allows Lightwave 3D to render
directly to the most popular 24bit graphic cards. Supported cards include
the GVP IV-24, Retina, Opalvision, DCTV, Firecracker, EGS Spectrum,
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PAL COMPATIBLE: Lightrave makes Lightwave 3D fully functional for European
PAL users.

FAST ANIMATIONS: Full screen preview animations previously only available
on the Toaster-4000(tm) are now available to all Lightwave 3D users. The
animations are stored in standard Amiga "Anim" animation formats and may
be transferred and edited by other Amiga programs. Direct rendering to DCTV
and OpalVision animation formats will be available shortly.
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NETWORKING: Lightrave is fully network compatible. From the low cost Parnet
to the high end Ethernet solutions, Lightrave is the perfect solution for
all Lightwave 3D "Render Farms".

IMAGE PROCESSING: Render directly to GVP's ImageFX, where frames can be
image processed before being saved to disk!

FULLY COMPATIBLE: Works with the entire Amiga line of computers. Even the
Amiga 500 and the new Amiga 1200!
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Requirements:

o       Lightwave 3D 2.0 or 3.0 required.
o       Compatible with all Commodore Amiga models, both NTSC and PAL.
o       Workbench and Kickstart 2.04 or later.
o       Lightwave 3D requires a minimum 512 chip RAM and 512k fast RAM.
o       Extended memory and hardware acceleration are reccomended.
o       2 Megs of Chip RAM is recommended for direct rendering to GVP IV-24.
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Lightrave is shipping now and carries a suggested retail price of $499.
Call your dealer or distributor for availability and product information.

Amiga is a trademark of Commodore Business Machines, Lightwave 3D, Video
Toaster and Toaster 4000 are trademarks of NewTek Inc., ImageFX is a
trademark of Great Valley Products, Inc.

Michael Vunck, President
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Finally got 3.0, and have a couple of questions about Bones.

I am putting together a skeleton for a human figure, and was wondering what a
good way to go about it is. I have Bones at the major joints in the limbs, and
a few along the main body. I don't think I have enough though, or the range of
influence for them is wrong, because the object turns to taffy when I move them
too far. They work fine up to a certain point. Is there some distance points
can be moved from the pivot point, and after that they stretch? Just wondering.

Also, I have managed to animate some letters with bones, and they bend and jump
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okay, but the flat faces look horrid when rendered. I _thought_ I subdivided thefronts and backs enough, but they won't smooth out. I only have 9 megs ram, and
a 25mhz 030, so I can't just make umpteen million polys. Is there another way?

Love the new features, once Essence is ported, all they'll need is something
like a Forms editor and Imagine will occupy a very dusty drawer on my HD, if
on there at all. :)

One nice thing for Lens Flares would be to be able to control the orientation
and type of star filter. You could create some nice effects that way.

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the lens assembly rings? (ie number, size, etc.)

Anyway, I'll stop rambling and get back to rendering.



Daryl Bartley
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has the LML archives... but how about our own area for LightWave files?

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this does?

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>Also, I have managed to animate some letters with bones, and they bend and jump
okay, but the flat faces look horrid when rendered. I _thought_ I subdivided thefronts and backs enou
gh, but they won't smooth out. I only have 9 megs ram, and
a 25mhz 030, so I can't just make umpteen million polys. Is there another way?

did you also triangulate the polys ? just subdividing still will leave you
with nonplanar polys- try subdividing less, and then triangulating the polys-
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BILL MILLS WRITES:

>fountain of bills....
>
>I'm not sure how this would look compared to what you are attempting,
>but it seems to me a quick and dirty method would be to model the path
>you want the bills to take a a cylinder bent to match the shape of
>the path, made bumpy a'la the steps in the 'asteroid' tutorial.  Then
>create a long surface map of randomly placed bills, and a matching 2 color
>transparency map.  Map this onto the fountain path with a velocity and directi
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>fitting the path you want the bills to take.  Putting in some random
>displacement mapping at the same velocity wil make the path each bill
>takes different enough to be individual.  The bumps on the tube should
>make them appear to flutter, and if you get the tube the right size they
>shpould appear as a stream rather than just a tube.  If they appear to
>tube like, put another, smaller tube, inside the first using slightly
>faster surface velocities.  Don't forget to set polygons double sided, and
>to use a clip map, instead of transparency map if you are shadow mapping.
>
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>Be seeing you...
>-bill

    Ahhh, interesting concept.  About the only drawback I can see
    is to get the spacing I want on the bills I'd have to have a
    largish blank area in the texture maps, maybe 10X bigger than the
    "bill" itself.  Otherwise it should work great.

    Other difficulties:  You left out the step where I morph the
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    visible (not so in this case) the tube would have to be an
    integral multiple of the texmap size.

    I may well end up using this technique, thank you.

    Anybody else got input?  An object-oriented (;-) solution to
    this would be more generally applicable to animation problems--
    Bill's solution here works since the dollar bills are flat- it
    wouldn't be practical with an actual "solid" object.
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hi all

something which I've seen a lot of but am having difficulty
recreating is the 'spotlight' effect seen in such places as
the zoom out from a planet in the Toaster 2.0 demo tape
(the floating ship above the city has several beams coming
out from it, if I remember right... perhaps they were coming
up from the city?)

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major axis of a stretched-out cone, with edge transparency
set to a high value and luminance turned on. This gives
decent results against a black background, although some
weird artifacts do appear near the point of the cone (yes
I AM using the right axis for the wrap).

What has been giving me problems is using them in complex
scenes. I've had problems when the beams go in front of other
objects (they aren't bright enough.... they just get lost),
and when in fog (the entire cone is visible, since fog doesn't
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Anybody know a better way?

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>2. In 2.0 Fighter demo scene the fighters have some of the nicest surface
> detail/texture mapping I've seen. On a closer look, I've found that
> they use a specular texture map, and I believe a displacement texture
> map (could be wrong).
> My texturing methods stink (yes I'm currently quite frustrated :').
> Why are they useing the above method as opposed to Just surface mapping?

The surface color map gives you the different colored panels on the ships
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the different colored panels to reflect light differently than each other.
This allows a perfect flat uniform surface to look like it has a very
detailed surface.

> When would Surface mapping be appropriate?

When ever possible!

> Any good books on Lightwave Texture/Surface Techniques forsale?

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Not really.  There is a magazine comming, that hopefully will have lots of
things like this.  This mailing list is probably the best source of info with
both Allen Hastings and Stuart Ferfuson lurking in the shadows, as well as
other Lightwave hacks who sit in front of that GUI far more hours than
we should.
We (The LW List) should compile a book and release it.

>I take it that if I directly map the surface of an object I'm S.O.L.
>when it comes to using the fog option, under backgrounds.
>(If I'm wrong please say so)
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>So, is there a way of using the fog option and still use a texture map
>on the object?

I don't understand the question I guess.  The only time you run into
trouple with brush/texture maps is when you are doing a transparency
map and the object is in fog.  This will make the transparent parts of
the polygons show up.
This is effect is now possible using clip mapping under 3.0.

By the way:  Why couldn't clip mapping be part of the surface information

instead of the object info.  I had a scene that had 50 2D brushmap trees
done using transparency mapping.
To turn off the transparency mapping I just had to edit the surface they all
shared.  To turn on clip mapping, I had to add it to every try seperately.

This was a scene that was already built with important position information
and the like.   I would imagine that for new projects I could clone a tree
that was already clip mapped, but I couldn't in this situation.

It would be convenient to be able to clip map only parts of objects that
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> [e-mail] (Neil Richmond) writes:
> : Creative Computers sells the Lightwave upgrade for $650.
> : Apparently, this is legal.
>
> I assume that NewTek didn't care about getting a serial number for the
> upgrade, simply because there was no way to run LW without the
> Toaster...
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In the Lightrave press release posted to c.s.a.g on Sunday 19 Sep by
Michael Vunck of Warm and Fuzzy Logic, one of the requirements of
registering Lightrave is stated as a Toaster registration number.  Does
anyone know if you'd get this Toaster registration number only if you
bought a Toaster, or would you get one with the Lightwave 3D upgrade?

The cost of having to buy a Toaster just to register Lightrave would, for
me,  be an effective block against buying Lightrave.

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BTW, why should this Lightrave device cost so much?  Are they charging
users for the cost of reverse engineering the Toaster?  I know it's not
much relative to the cost of a Toaster, but as a means of getting LW
running on PAL Amigas, it is expensive.

Regards,
David Oxley,
Logica UK Ltd.

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Okay, I'm willing to organize a first meeting for Lightwave users in the Nashua
New Hampshire area.  Anyone with an interest should write me at
    [e-mail]
and include the following contact information:
    your name
    your email address
    your evening phone number (helpful, not required)
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    town you work in
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A first meeting time
    weeknights you *cannot* attend a meeting starting at 6 or 7 pm

Once I have collected a couple week's worth of responses I'll look into a place
to meet on a week night.  Probably the week of October 11th or 18th.  Places to
meet will be either System Eyes, somewhere in south Nashua where I work.

I expect the first meeting to be organizational, to establish a reason to meet
further, and how often.  If we get the right meeting place I'll have a VCR/TV
there to roll a few of your own shorts (I'll supply Amigamations so we can watch
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Mark's Fred Floaty).

Further notices will be only to respondees, not the Lightwave list.  So respond!

\bob peterson
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Writes "Oxley David" [e-mail]:
> In the Lightrave press release posted to c.s.a.g on Sunday 19 Sep by
> Michael Vunck of Warm and Fuzzy Logic, one of the requirements of
> registering Lightrave is stated as a Toaster registration number.  Does
> anyone know if you'd get this Toaster registration number only if you
> bought a Toaster, or would you get one with the Lightwave 3D upgrade?

Yes, you only get a Toaster registration number if you bought the

Toaster card.  Strictly speaking, it's not legal for a
non-Toaster-owner to buy the upgrade.  Buying an upgrade to any
package does not give you a license to the product.  It certainly
doesn't get you any technical support.  Of course, the dongle-like
nature of the Toaster made all this a non-concern until the appearance
of LightRave.

It wouldn't surprise me if NewTek clamped down on upgrade sales
because of this.  And anyone intent on using LightRave could
certainly pirate the software without purchasing the upgrade.  I'll
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bet a dollar that the next version of LightWave does not work with
LightRave.

Also, W&F simply has a blank on their registration card for your
supposed Toaster serial number.  They don't do anything with it and
they don't demand it before they take your money.

Several World of Commodore show attendees were convinced that W&F had
told them that they were verifying the serial numbers with NewTek,
but W&F denies this.
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> BTW, why should this Lightrave device cost so much?  Are they charging
> users for the cost of reverse engineering the Toaster?  I know it's not

LightRave doesn't "reverse-engineer" the Toaster.  They disassembled
NewTek's code, arguably an illegal act, and made enough kludged code
to fool LightWave into thinking that the Switcher and the rest of the
Toaster are present.  The LightRave dongle does nothing except block
your serial port and serve as a much more risky and slightly less
expensive dongle than the Toaster.  Of course, the Toaster also acts
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as a frame buffer. :-)

Why so pricey?  Because they could.  Why a dongle?  Because they
don't want to get ripped off.  However, W&F doesn't appear to be very
concerned about people ripping off NewTek's programs.


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>In an article posted to comp.sys.amiga.graphics, Jeff Walkup wrote the
>following: (I thought I'd post here in case anyone had some input)
>
>> [e-mail] (Neil Richmond) writes:
>> : Creative Computers sells the Lightwave upgrade for $650.
>> : Apparently, this is legal.
>>
>> I assume that NewTek didn't care about getting a serial number for the
>> upgrade, simply because there was no way to run LW without the
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>> Toaster...
>
>In the Lightrave press release posted to c.s.a.g on Sunday 19 Sep by
>Michael Vunck of Warm and Fuzzy Logic, one of the requirements of
>registering Lightrave is stated as a Toaster registration number.  Does
>anyone know if you'd get this Toaster registration number only if you
>bought a Toaster, or would you get one with the Lightwave 3D upgrade?
>
>The cost of having to buy a Toaster just to register Lightrave would, for
>me,  be an effective block against buying Lightrave.
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>BTW, why should this Lightrave device cost so much?  Are they charging
>users for the cost of reverse engineering the Toaster?  I know it's not
>much relative to the cost of a Toaster, but as a means of getting LW
>running on PAL Amigas, it is expensive.
>
>Regards,
>David Oxley,
>Logica UK Ltd.

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It would seem to me that Newtek should knock the sails out of this hack by
offering a stand-alone version of Lightwave below the price point for the
Upgrade/LightRave combo cost.  There IS a market there.  Why not take
advantage of it.  While they are at it, why not code a network renderer that
worked either over Ethernet or SCSI to a 486 engine.  That way we could also
create cheap IBM 486/clone render farms.  Those that wanted to build up slowly
could get 1 486 and add from there.  I am aware of the Screamer and that seems
like a very good choice but I think that for less speed and lower bucks, the
networked 486's would be quite reasonable I would imagine.

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Press Release

   For Immediate Release

   For More Information Contact:

   Chris Minshall
   Heifner Communications, Inc.
   4451 I-70 Drive NW
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             PEGGER, Automated JPEG Image Compression Software

(Columbia, MO -- September 10, 1993)

   Heifner Communications is now shipping a new software utility for
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PEGGER is a fully integrated JPEG utility based on the compression
algorithm from the Joint Photographers Experts Group.  PEGGER allows
programs that don't support JPEG images to work automatically with
them.  Everything from 3D animation systems to graphic and multi-media
programs greatly benefit from the enormous savings in hard drive space
PEGGERS JPEG compression provides.

   PEGGERs Snoop capability automates the JPEG processing for programs
that don't support JPEG, such as Electronic Arts Deluxe Paint AGA,

the NewTek Video Toaster, so they can load or save JPEG files. Literally
any program on the Amiga that supports the loading and saving of images
in the IFF 24 bit, DCTV, HAM8, or Newtek Framestore formats will now be
able to transparently load and save JPEG format images using PEGGER.
PEGGER runs seamlessly in the background, compressing and decompressing
files as needed.  Your 100 MB 24 bit or HAM8 library can be compressed
to under 10 MB and your applications won't even know it. A 50 MB hard
drive can now hold more than 1000 frames of high resolution 24 bit
files instead of just 60 or 70 frames.

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   PEGGER does it's job in just seconds; we have optimized the JPEG
code for the Amiga. The JPEG compress, decompress, and selection of
files to process run completely independent of each other.  This
allows both compression and decompression of files at the same time,
with the ability to adjust the priority of each.  A cue list of files
awaiting processing is maintained so that you can select additional
files to process while PEGGER is busy in the background processing
your previous selections.  In addition to selecting individual files
to process, entire directories of files can be set up to be batch
processed.
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   You can have PEGGER execute an ARexx script prior to and after JPEG
processing of a file.  This allows the integration of PEGGERs powerful
batch processing capabilities with other applications which support
ARexx.  For example, using an ARexx script to load a frame buffer
and activate a single frame recorder after JPEG decompression of an
image.

   The JPEG processing is performed on a small portion of the file at a
time, so PEGGER doesn't need megabytes of RAM to hold the entire image
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almost 30 MB of system RAM to JPEG compress or decompress with current
Amiga programs.  With PEGGER, less than 1 MB of system RAM is needed.

   Designed to run in the background, and when idle, uses few system
resources.  Even if your computer were to crash while PEGGER was
processing files, when restarted, PEGGER will continue processing
the files where it was interrupted.

   Features:
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      ARexx support.

      Support for NewTek Framestore, 24 bit IFF, DCTV, and HAM8 images.

      PEGGER can process images up to 32000 pixels wide using less than
      4 MB of system RAM.

      AmigaDOS 2.0 & 3.0 compatible.

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      Follows all AmigaDOS programming guidelines.

      Adjustable priority for JPEG compression and decompression.

      Pegger is designed to multi task in the background using minimal
      system resources so a 3D rendering or graphics program can also
      run at the same time.

      Snoop feature allows PEGGER to compress the output of your 3D
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      JPEG code has been optimized for speed.

      PEGGER can be used with the appropriate ARexx script to single
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   PEGGER is a lo

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   Heifner Communications is now shipping a new software utility for
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PEGGER is a fully integrated JPEG utility based on the compression
algorithm from the Joint Photographers Experts Group.  PEGGER allows
programs that don't support JPEG images to work automatically with
them.  Everything from 3D animation systems to graphic and multi-media
programs greatly benefit from the enormous savings in hard drive space
PEGGERS JPEG compression provides.

   PEGGERs Snoop capability automates the JPEG processing for programs
that don't support JPEG, such as Electronic Arts Deluxe Paint AGA,
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the NewTek Video Toaster, so they can load or save JPEG files. Literally
any program on the Amiga that supports the loading and saving of images
in the IFF 24 bit, DCTV, HAM8, or Newtek Framestore formats will now be
able to transparently load and save JPEG format images using PEGGER.
PEGGER runs seamlessly in the background, compressing and decompressing
files as needed.  Your 100 MB 24 bit or HAM8 library can be compressed
to under 10 MB and your applications won't even know it. A 50 MB hard
drive can now hold more than 1000 frames of high resolution 24 bit
files instead of just 60 or 70 frames.

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   PEGGER does it's job in just seconds; we have optimized the JPEG
code for the Amiga. The JPEG compress, decompress, and selection of
files to process run completely independent of each other.  This
allows both compression and decompression of files at the same time,
with the ability to adjust the priority of each.  A cue list of files
awaiting processing is maintained so that you can select additional
files to process while PEGGER is busy in the background processing
your previous selections.  In addition to selecting individual files
to process, entire directories of files can be set up to be batch
processed.
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   You can have PEGGER execute an ARexx script prior to and after JPEG
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> In the 3.0 manual they mention unify in the polygon section. Anyone know what
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It combines two or more identical polys into one. This is particularly useful
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I just read an article in the Los Angeles Times (Aug. 12, "Toaster's 3-D Add-
On Really Cooks" by Richard O'Reilly) about the Screamer.

The article describes the Screamer as 4 Parallel MIPS R4400 operating at 150
mhz, a 100 MB hard drive containing the WINDOWS NT OS.

At first I thought - BLASPHEME - It's hard enough to get the R4400 chips
(look at the SGI INDY) and why oh why Windows NT.  But if you think about it
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big, the Screamer would require a 230 MB hard disk just for the OS, plus I
keep hearing it doesn't work very well.  Commodore's OS, good as it is,
hasn't looked beyond Motorola.

While I would love to buy a Screamer, I will probably have to do without for
now.  But this opens up some interesting possibilities.  My Toaster is on a
network that has several PC's running Windows that would make great
rendering engines (servants) to the Toaster.

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>> okay, but the flat faces look horrid when rendered. I _thought_ I subdivided
>> thefronts and backs enough

> did you also triangulate the polys ? just subdividing still will leave you
> with nonplanar polys- try subdividing less, and then triangulating the polys-

If I'm not mistaken, you can't use subdivide on anything but triangles.
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We here at Warm and Fuzzy Logic, Inc. are distressed that John Foust has
seen fit to act in a childish and immature fashion in his attacks on
us.  Mr. Foust, as many of you are aware, receives payment from the
sales of EVERY current Toaster which gives him a unique bias.  For all
intents and purposes in this issue he is an employee of NewTek.  Mr. Foust,
despite his attempts to claim otherwise, was also aware of the exact
nature of our product MONTHS in advance of it's release.  At that time
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It is also worth noting that Mr. Foust does not own a copy of LightRave
himself and has absolutely no hands-on knowledge of it.  We've never
discussed any real information on the creation of LightRave with him,
beyond describing it's ability to run Lightwave 3D without a Toaster,
and his seemingly authoritative claims that our hardware is a dongle, or
that our software is a "kludge", are wildly inaccurate and insulting.
Mr. Foust is also not a lawyer yet he has made silly remarks regarding
LightRave's legal status.  Rest assured, LightRave is entirely legal.

Despite what Mr. Foust attempts to fool people into believing, LightRave
was created for legitimate, registered, owners of NewTek's Video
Toaster.  We have worked as hard as we can to prevent it's illegitimate
use.  We're collecting and maintaining our list of registered owners,
which requires the Toaster registration number, and we are prepared to
verify these with NewTek anytime they desire.  If this number is missing,
or incorrect, a LightRave purchaser cannot get upgrades to either the
hardware or the softwave drivers.

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hardware devices that use complex software drivers to trick a third
party software package into believing it's on it's native hardware
platform.  The difference with LightRave is that we make more than a
reasonable attempt to ensure you actually do own the hardware.
LightRave's intended legitimate use is with LightWave by small video
producers who need to dedicate their Toaster for switcher/cg
applications and wish to run LightWave on a second workstation.

A LightRave owner gets exactly what we promise.  The ability to run
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LightWave 2.0 and 3.0 without the Toaster.  We're confident enough of
our hardware design that we'll take Mr. Foust's bet and put our dollar
on the line to say we'll get the next release of Lightwave for the
Toaster running standalone with LightRave as well.

Michael M Vunck / President
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>  However, W&F doesn't appear to be very
> concerned about people ripping off NewTek's programs.

    Or yours, John.  With a licensing agreement with Newtek, you
probably have a lot to loose, too.

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> This form is in the shape of a "U", so the animation is "a straight object
> moves through space, bends thru a "U" turn, then continues, straightening
> out

A series of bones along the length of an object could be used to create this
effect, but it would not be nearly as trivial as having some sort of path based
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>     Why are they useing the above method as opposed to Just surface mapping.

Because real life object have variations other than simply color.

>     I take it that if I directly map the surface of an object I'm S.O.L.
>     when it comes to using the fog option, under backgrounds.

No, you can definitely use transparency mapped objects in fog. Just make
sure that you enable "background color" for your fog rather than assigning
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> What has been giving me problems is using them in complex
> scenes. I've had problems when the beams go in front of other
> objects (they aren't bright enough.... they just get lost),

A new LW3 surface feature, "additive", is perfect for this. It will
keep your spots from getting washed out. No doubt the seaQuest animators
were experiencing this same problem and had Allen add this feature.

> and when in fog (the entire cone is visible, since fog doesn't
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> I'm trying to get a smooth fountain of dollar bills to arch from
> one receptacle to another. I'm trying to re-use the same 20
> bills over and over, and simply having them repeat their motion.

I must be missing something because this sounds rather easy. 20 motion
paths each shifted the equivalent of 3 frames distance. If exactly replicating
the previous bill's path is a problem due to spline interpolation, turn every
frame into a key (or at least add more keys). To add a bill, simply clone one,
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frames, and select repeat. Don't forget to add displacement mapping to make
the bills wave along their path.

>     We need a follow function, with (of course) a variable offset.

This would be a nice addition. I would also like the ability to define the
frame at which "repeat" starts at rather than always looping from frame zero.

>     We need some kind of repeatable movement that will spline across
>     frame zero (the repeat point).  Then it can be "slid" on the
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Ahh, I *think* I see what you are having problems with. If I have a spare
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Thanks for all the advice and info, folks. I managed to come up with somewhat
decent results after a few tries. There are still some peculiarities, but here
is the gist of it.

I take the human object, deform it _slightly_ with Bones (since they will move
a fair distance before distorting), and then Save Transformed. Then I use this
as a morph target and continue on, repeating until a major movement results.
I'm still messing with it (haven't quite figured out the Bones and Morph Target
etc.), but it might just work after all, since the bones are never responsible
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run out of ram soon with more targets, too. :)

If I get anything cool out of it I'll probably put up an anim or something.

Thanks for the tips on Letters, too. Sent me in the right direction.

While I'm here, does anyone know a place to FTP an altitude map of the Earth? I
have a color map that works okay, but using the same map for a bump map doesn't
look too good if you get close (deserts are higher than forests and the same
height as mountains, etc.).  Also, I am adding cities to it (well, lights), and
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to show up on the night side? I guess I could look in an atlas and go by population, etc...

Hmm...I forgot what the other thing I was going to ask was. Oh well. Plenty for
one post. :)

Thanks again for the help.


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>> This form is in the shape of a "U", so the animation is "a straight object
>> moves through space, bends thru a "U" turn, then continues, straightening
>> out
>
>A series of bones along the length of an object could be used to create this
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    Acchh, that doesn't sound like fun AT ALL!  At the NAB there was
    a renderer that had the feature that objects would distort to their
    paths.  This was most successfull with long objects: I believe they
    had a pencil that was flowing through its motion path.

    I believe that was at the ALIAS booth, where they did the demo
    with the room full of toys.

    sigh.

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Hi Mark.  You replied to me:

>[e-mail] writes:
>> I'm trying to get a smooth fountain of dollar bills to arch from
>> one receptacle to another. I'm trying to re-use the same 20
>> bills over and over, and simply having them repeat their motion.
>
>I must be missing something because this sounds rather easy. 20 motion
>paths each shifted the equivalent of 3 frames distance. If exactly replicating
>the previous bill's path is a problem due to spline interpolation, turn every
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>frame into a key (or at least add more keys). To add a bill, simply clone one,
>shift +3 frames, copy end shifted frames to beginning, delete end shifted
>frames, and select repeat.

    As you say, it's a little more complicated then that.  Later I
    think you start to get my drift a little more.

    If I simply wanted the bills to cross ONCE, this >>would<< be
    trivial.  Unfortunately, each bill makes its journey in 60 frames,
    but the animation is 300 frames.
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> Don't forget to add displacement mapping to make
>the bills wave along their path.

    That's exactly what I did, although it would have been a lot easier
    if displacement mapping was similar to morphing in terms of
    indirection and "pointers" (to get C-like).  Unfortunately,
    morphers are NOT affected by displacement mapping of their targets,
    as we covered in another posting (this project was WHY I asked!).

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>This would be a nice addition. I would also like the ability to define the
>frame at which "repeat" starts at rather than always looping from frame zero.
>
>>       We need some kind of repeatable movement that will spline across
>>       frame zero (the repeat point).  Then it can be "slid" on the
>>       motion timeline to the animator's heart's content.
>
>Ahh, I *think* I see what you are having problems with. If I have a spare
>minute tonight, I'll take a look at it.

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    By George, I think you've got it.  Yes, the problem is that
    permanent keyframe at frame zero.  Let's say the move is 60 frames
    , since it is.  One bill will start in receptacle#1, fly in an arc
    to receptacle#2, and simply repeat.  This is the "good bill".

    The "evil bill" STARTS at the >>crest<< of the arc, falls into
    receptacle#2, does a 1 frame tween to receptacle#1, and arcs up to
    just BEFORE the crest of the arc. Then, theorectically, repeats.

    The "theoretical" part is the problem.  Since frame 60 to frame 0 is
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    Layout.  Possibly constructing a motion path through Modeler is the
    way to go.

    As a workaround, I'm using a clip map and a rotating null point.  It
    works, but isn't generally applicable.  That is, this technique
    only works because the path is basically circular.  If I wanted the
    bills to move in an "S" curve, I think I'd be out of luck.

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I'm not tight-lipped about our TIO product in the Toaster.  I've
mentioned it here and on other networks many times.  It's even in the
flyer you're talking about.  I think it's a feather in our cap -
we're the only company with a product bundled in each and every
Toaster!

We're listed in the Toaster manual, for heaven's sake.  Of course we
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your point?  That I can't be telling the truth because I'm self-
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LightRave, too?  If someone was selling pirated copies of LightRave,
I'm sure you'd be self-interested, too.  And I'm "an employee of
NewTek"?  I licensed software to them, that's all...  I wish I could
get them to return my calls, just like everyone else.  :-)

Yes, Jason Andreas first told me many months ago that he'd been
disassembling the Toaster's code.  First, so he could decode the
framestore format.  Second, I remember something about intercepting
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LightWave's frame-saving for redirection to alternate frame buffers.
Nothing about a way to run LightWave without a Toaster card.  And we
talked about a number of other projects he was working on, things
related to Toaster, LightWave, ImageFX, Bird's Eye, etc.

This info alone did not tell me that (a) he was telling the truth
(lots of hackers tell stories), (b) that he'd turn it into a product,
(c) that the product would also purposely circumvent the requirement
of the Toaster card itself, (d) that he'd find someone sleazy enough
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I talk to a lot of people, and it's not my habit to publically post
everything I learn.  If someone tells me they've done something, it
does not logically follow they're going to going to turn it into a
product.  My mere knowledge of what someone claims in no way means I
approve of what they're doing.

(Hell, I was more confident that Bill and Hillary would come up with
big plans to expand the government's role in my life, and I couldn't
do anything about that in advance, either, and I still don't approve. :-)
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When Jason called me a week before the World of Commodore show, he
volunteered to hand out our flyers in his booth and stuff them in
boxes of a new product.  I was taken aback, not accustomed to this
sort of help from someone out of the blue.  He refused to tell me
what it did, what it was called, or what it would sell for.  I
remember asking him if it in any way competed with my or anyone
else's product, and he said no.  So I sent the flyers, and as soon as
I heard what the product was about, I asked you to yank them.

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You claim that I knew about LightRave in advance.  If Jason knew that
I knew, then why would he maintain any part of the pretense of not
telling me what it was?  If I knew what it was, don't you think that
I'd recognize that this product would lead to rip-offs of my software
in the Toaster package?  I think Jason set out to mislead me, and it
worked.  Call me a dupe.  Hackers may call this "social engineering,"
but it's lying nonetheless.

You've both as much as told me that you're taping all your phone
conversations, for legal protection.  If you like, please post a
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transcript of any conversation I've had with you or Jason.  (For
fairness' sake, send a copy of the tapes to any mutually satisfactory
third party to verify the transcript.)

Please be sure to include the parts where you both told me that you
recognize that LightRave will lead to piracy of NewTek's software,
but that you don't really care because NewTek's dealers are really
unhappy, and the Toaster costs too much, and all that.

To top it off, Jason didn't bother to do what he said he would do:
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You didn't hand out my flyers at your booth at WOC.  They were in
LightRave boxes, but not in the open.  I think that this business
about Syndesis flyers was all a ploy to gain a bit of credibility.

By your vociferous insistence that the presence of my flyers somehow
proves I knew what LightRave was in advance and approved of it,
you're as much as admitting that you think my flyers would lend
credibility.

(And I sent no more than a couple hundred flyers, not "thousands"...
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And would you please return the remainder as you promised you would,
as I asked you to do after I learned of LightRave's true nature?)

The simple existence of products like Emplant does not mean they're
legal.  If Apple's legal department wanted to fight it, I'm sure they
could, and I'm sure they'd win quickly.  Reverse engineering by
disassembly is probably illegal.  That's what you did to make
LightRave.  That's why Phoenix went to great lengths to make a
clean-room PC BIOS, launching the IBM PC clone market.

Since LightRave's dongle does nothing except protect *your* software
from piracy, I'll gladly collect my dollar when the next LightWave
does not work with LightRave.  No?  You mean you'll need a few weeks
for you to make a new set of patches?  Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you
said your dongle was a Toaster emulator.  In a technological pissing
match between the Toaster-making engineers and the dongle-making
hackers who made LightRave, I'll continue bet on the Toasterheads.

Anyone who drops their $300-600 on your product is taking a risk that
you'll lose this bet, and they'll be running the 1990 and 1993
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versions of LightWave forever, with no bug fixes or improvements from
NewTek.  It's much easier and safer to buy a used Toaster for $1000.

You're right, I don't own a LightRave dongle.  You're the only person
here who knows what's inside it.  I'll guess it has a voltage
regulator and a couple logic chips.  Are you saying that it does
anything more than serve as a dongle and serial port cover?  At least
the Toaster is a good framebuffer.

W&F is not "working as hard as they can to prevent illegitimate use."
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Instead, you worked as hard as you could to *insure* that someone
could run LightWave without a Toaster license.  That's the product's
purpose!

Speaking of lying, a number of people on CompuServe reported that at
the WOC show, you told them that you were verifying Toaster serial
numbers with NewTek.  Is this true?

If not, how do you determine if a serial number is valid?  If you
don't, then there's no teeth in your argument.  You may as well be
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collecting birthdates.  Without cooperation from NewTek, how do you
determine what a Toaster serial number really looks like?  Will you
make a sale without one?  Why are you selling LightRave in non-NTSC
countries, where no one has Toasters?  That's "as hard as you can"?

Buying a Toaster software upgrade does not give you a serial number
or a legitimate Toaster software license.  That only comes from
buying the initial Toaster card and software.  Owning one Toaster
does not mean you have a license to run two copies of LightWave or
any part of the Toaster software.
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If all LightRave did was redirect rendered frames, then we might be
discussing different issues.  Instead, you *also* make it possible to
run LightWave without the Toaster card, making it possible to pirate
NewTek's software in unprecedented ways.  You could have stopped at
redirecting frames, but you undoubtably spent lots of time removing
the Toaster card dependency as well.

What's going to happen when *your* dongle is cracked?  After all,
that's how hackers are supposed to react to high-priced dongles,
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right?

The bottom line?  We all recognize that LightRave leads to piracy of
the Toaster software.  (Whether that's your company's stated public
policy is another matter.)  Piracy of NewTek's software means that
the Toaster people so often praised on this LightWave mailing list,
such as Allen Hastings and Stuart Ferguson - will not be paid for
their work.  That's bad for them, and for the other people who work
on the Toaster, and for the long-term survival of the Amiga market.

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I did not join the lightwave discussion group to have to read about
obvious descrepancies between a company product and whoever or
whatever had something to do with it. Also, I do not believe that is
what the group is for.
I joined to pick up pointers on using lightwave.


 If the "War of Lightrave" wants to continue then you can remove my
name from the list.

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This would be a shame, because I have been getting good information
from the discussions on textures.

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I know this is the lightwave list, but I get the feeling this
list has a much broader base of Toaster users than toaster@bobsbox,
so I'm cross-posting it here too, since I'm desperate for an
answer.

Basically, what I need to know is if the Toaster 4000 in an Amiga
4000 can load up a keyed page created with the charactor generator,
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monitor with one of the transitions such as a rotatation, wipe, etc.

That is, you can load up a keyed title page, but instead of just fading
it in, you'd select a transition, and it would get keyed over your live
video using this transition (picture live video happening on PROGRAM,
then the title sliding over from off the sreen to the right, and stopping
in the middle.... then wiping the keyed title off to the left and off the
screen, with the live video still visible the whole time).

This effect can sorta be fudged with the version 2.0 software
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when using the "scissors" and luminance keyer - but it's very limiting
and not satisfactory for my purpose.

If anyone understands what I'm trying to describe here, please contact
me at the address below, or follow up to the toaster list -
([e-mail]).

Thanks for your consideration.

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[e-mail]

If I could just get this cg problem figured out, I'd be back to
rendering... :-)

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If they put a standard bus on this thing and allow you to add HD space
it will be one heck of a deal on an NT machine.  It will be interesting
to see whether they made the screamer hit that price by using
off-the-shelf components (like standard bus control), or by leaving
them out entirely.  It seems unlikely that they would leave them out,
since this is a device that will cry out for upgrades, and some kind of
bus architecture is kind of critical for that.  Clearly, they will keep
the price down by not including lots of HD space, and I'll bet it comes
with barely enough RAM to do the job.  Won't be surprised if you have
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heard the other day that a G is about $30K (which still ain't all that
bad for what you get).  I'm a little biased, but NT is a good choice
for them.  It's modern, it's SMP, it's processor independent, it's got
a lot of steam for future support.  Does anybody know if the Screamer
will come with its own display, or whether it will depend on the
Amiga/Toaster for display?  Could the Toaster be used as a 30fps video
I/O device for the screamer?  Sounds like the makings of a great
nonlinear edit solution for Newtek, if they add sound.  If they did
this, it would make sense to use DSP, which suddenly opens up all kinds
of interesting possibilities for image processing as well.  Not that
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four R4400's aren't pretty great for that in the first place.  How
exciting.  If anyone at Newtek is listening, I for one, would not even
think twice about getting a Screamer if I could ultimately use it as a
"normal" Win/NT machine as well as a Lightwave accelerator.

An interesting side effect of this is the existence of a version of
lightwave written to the Win32 API and presumably compiled into MIPS
native code.  There is mounting evidence that a port of a Win32 product
from one processor to another Win32 processor really is very easy,
taking hours or days.  This means they should be able to target
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lightwave at all kinds of processors in the future, including Alpha and
PowerPC.  They're smart people.  Maybe they architected the system for
interchangeable processors?  An AXP Screamer?

Does anybody know when they will actually become available?

(This is all conjecture, and I'm not claiming to have any facts whatsoever.)

Charlie

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Date: Thursday, September 23, 1993 4:43PM

I just read an article in the Los Angeles Times (Aug. 12, "Toaster's 3-D Add-
On Really Cooks" by Richard O'Reilly) about the Screamer.

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The article describes the Screamer as 4 Parallel MIPS R4400 operating at 150
mhz, a 100 MB hard drive containing the WINDOWS NT OS.

At first I thought - BLASPHEME - It's hard enough to get the R4400 chips
(look at the SGI INDY) and why oh why Windows NT.  But if you think about it
there is some sense to it all.  NT is running on the MIPS chips and is multi-
threaded (parallel processing).  Solaris (SUN's multi-threaded OS) is too
big, the Screamer would require a 230 MB hard disk just for the OS, plus I
keep hearing it doesn't work very well.  Commodore's OS, good as it is,
hasn't looked beyond Motorola.
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While I would love to buy a Screamer, I will probably have to do without for
now.  But this opens up some interesting possibilities.  My Toaster is on a
network that has several PC's running Windows that would make great
rendering engines (servants) to the Toaster.

If anyone else has heard any _rumors_ please lets hear them.


D. Blair
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On a related subject, people are already up in arms/crying for
joy/p.o.ed at the Screamer "price" too. I've got an idea,
lets wait tell it ships  :-) then, have at it :-)
like some posters have noted, for the screamer, and lightwave,
(and anything worth having) if you balk at the cost, you
probably don't need it :-)

kevin
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I don't know about the legality/ethics/blah blah about
Lightrave.

thats an issue for the respective companies to work out...:-)

what kills me is the self-righteous few who think Newtek
*OWES* it to the european owners to release a PAL lightwave,
or that Newtek *OWES* it to those who don't want a Toaster
attached to release a standalone Lightwave, or that
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Newtek *OWES* it to those unwilling to shell out 2000 dollars
to release a cheaper product...
therefore, we users *DESERVE* Lightwave, and by forcing Newtek
to give it to us "cheaper" we are all made happy...

Get real ! Lightwave is a steal at 2000 dollars, for those who
need its features. Do you really think that if Lightwave were
unbundled, it wou;d be a 50 dollar shareware ?
Hey, i think Imagine is a steal at 350 dollars, even 2.0 :-)
And Essence is grand larceny :-)
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Newtek has its problems (try getting a replacement disk
from them :-)) but pricing is not one of them, IMHO.

What Newtek *OWES* we users is a product worthy of its
pricetag. Lightwave is worth it :-)

kevin
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ATTENTION PEGGER USERS!!!!

We have discovered a bug in the program which could potentially
destroy ANIM files created with the new Video Toaster 4000 or HAM8
animations in any of the various IFF ANIM formats.  Do not attempt
to compress Toaster ANIM files in your framestore directory.  If
you are doing a batch compression of a framestore directory which
contains ANIM files, remove those files from the framestore
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compress file list and remove the ANIM files from the list before
beginning the compression process.  The same process applies to
HAM8 format IFF ANIM files.  We apologize for this inconvenience
but the bug has been found and is fixed.  You can call the
technical support hotline at 314-446-7017 and request an update
disk.  Also, for registered users, the update will be available on
the Pegger Support BBS (314-474-0297).  Dealers will be getting
notification on Monday or Tuesday.  Again, we apologize for this
inconvenience and hope to get this update to everyone as quickly
as possible.
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Thank You.

Chris Minshall
Technical Support Engineer
Heifner Communications Inc.

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As much as I love to rant, I also despise long postings that
have no relevance to LightWave.  In this case, whenever I
felt that I might be crossing the line of uselessness, I
just thought back to the endless rambles on programming
technique, hard disks and "gee, I agree" postings.

Anyways, I feel as though LightRave's already had its moment
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predicted, its dongle has been cracked, and now pirate
boards have cracked dongle-free versions of LightRave
and LightWave/Modeler v3.0.  Or so I've heard from more
than one source, I don't visit pirate boards myself.

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I am using the subdivide function in LW 3.0. It works great
with on symmetrical objects. However, when I try it on a built
object (not lathed) smoothing and facet give me the same results,
Straight lines with midpoints on those lines. The smoothing function
does not seem to work with compound curves on an object.

Any thoughts?

Thanks Tim [e-mail]

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A wish on the Modeller in LightWave:

When you size a view with the middle cross frame (ie make Face bigger)
I would like the object to remain the same relative size to the frame.
Most of the time I make the frame bigger then have to go back and zoom
the object. It could be all one move.

Tim [e-mail]

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Re: spotlights- i guess the standard way to make visible
spotlights is to create a cone, transparency map a gradation
bitmap to it, and attach the cone to a lightsource.
So, how are people accurately placing the cone on the
lightsource, so the light "spread" matches the cone diameter ?
is there a formula/trick, or do you just eyeball it ?
for instance, where the spotlight hits a wall, making a circular
spot of light-can you easily place the cone to match ?

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Lets take sunlight streaming thru a window- i tried placing a
trapezoidal form instead of a cone-to simulate a "square"
of light coming thru, but couldn't get the look of "dust motes"
in the air :-) any suggestions ?

kevin
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>>       The "evil bill" STARTS at the >>crest<< of the arc, falls into
>>       receptacle#2, does a 1 frame tween to receptacle#1, and arcs up to
>>       just BEFORE the crest of the arc. Then, theorectically, repeats.
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>>       The "theoretical" part is the problem.  Since frame 60 to frame 0 is
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>>       Layout.  Possibly constructing a motion path through Modeler is the
>>       way to go.
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>You mentioned that you wanted each bill to make it's journey in 60 frames,
>and obviously 0 to 60 is 61 frames.

    There is an implicit keyframe at frame zero in lightwave motion
    paths.  This can easily be seen by outputting a motion path file.
    If a user attempts to delete this keyframe, LWave puts up an error
    message.

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>You should find that with most anims that are designed to loop, you should
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>be rendering from frame 1 to x and not 0 to x.

    I'm well aware of the situation.  Frame zero is not rendered, but
    is used as a keyframe.  The Deluxe Paint manual has a succinct
    explanation of this as it applies to the MOVE requestor and the
    CYCLIC gadgets.

    Also, LWave defaults to frame 1.

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> How do we go about getting a specific Lightwave FTP site? I know that bob
> has the LML archives... but how about our own area for LightWave files?
>
> Tim [e-mail]
>

I think that a majority of the users on the mailing list should send
e-mail to the archive maintainer of wuarchive and specifically
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request such a directory..

This is what I've found for an addr:

>Charlie
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>        Postmaster for .wustl.edu
>        keeper of AMIGA and AMIGA-UPLOADS
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>Charlie Fineberg        Office of the Network Coordinator, Washington Universitu
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>St. Louis, MO 63130                                     [phone]

I think this addr will work:  [e-mail]

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> > When would Surface mapping be appropriate?
>
> When ever possible!
>
> > Any good books on Lightwave Texture/Surface Techniques forsale?
>
> Not really.  There is a magazine comming, that hopefully will have lots of
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> both Allen Hastings and Stuart Ferfuson lurking in the shadows, as well as
> other Lightwave hacks who sit in front of that GUI far more hours than
> we should.
> We (The LW List) should compile a book and release it.

I LIKE this idea, any other takers?

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On Sep 23, Daryl (Daryl T. Bartley) wrote:

> Thanks for all the advice and info, folks. I managed to come up with somewhat
> decent results after a few tries. There are still some peculiarities, but here
> is the gist of it.
>
> I take the human object, deform it _slightly_ with Bones (since they will move
> a fair distance before distorting), and then Save Transformed. Then I use this
> as a morph target and continue on, repeating until a major movement results.
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> etc.), but it might just work after all, since the bones are never responsible
> for gross movements. Still experimenting with dissection, etc., I'll probably
> run out of ram soon with more targets, too. :)

That is pretty much the way to do it. I have an ANIM on AmiNet that uses this
technique.  In the animation I have a keyboard and mouse move around.  Sence
the keyboard ended up closer to the computer than before, I had to morph the
keyboard cable.  The mouse is about 5 morphs to move it around the pad.
Looks cool!  The name of it is Scotts_Box and is located in aminet/gfx/anim
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> If I get anything cool out of it I'll probably put up an anim or something.
>
> Thanks for the tips on Letters, too. Sent me in the right direction.
>
> While I'm here, does anyone know a place to FTP an altitude map of the Earth? I
> have a color map that works okay, but using the same map for a bump map doesn't
> look too good if you get close (deserts are higher than forests and the same
> height as mountains, etc.).  Also, I am adding cities to it (well, lights), and
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> I know its a bit obscure, but does anyone know which cities are bright enough
> to show up on the night side? I guess I could look in an atlas and go by population, etc...

Check out the file earth.lha on AmiNet.  aminet/pix/misc on wuarchive

Here is also an excerpt from a letter from Bob Lindabury:

    This is actually pretty simple.   What I did was create three spheres
    representing the earth with water, texture and clouds.  The first
    innersphere will be for the water, middlesphere for the
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    sphere to the correct size for the Earth.  Reduce this sphere by a
    very small amount and use that for the water.  Enlarge the middle
    sphere by about 10% to create the atmosphere sphere.  Name the
    surfaces of the innersphere "water", the middlesphere "continents"
    and the outersphere "atmosphere".  You can clone the middlesphere to
    create the others (using for/back layers) and then activate all the
    layers and save all three spheres together as a single "Globe".
    Alternately you can save each sphere individually which will require
    some additional work in layout later.  In some cases the individual
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    The innersphere was for the water.  I created it with a surface color
    of 30 30 80, a diffuse setting of 90%, specular of 60% and medium
    glossiness with smooting on.  I also added a bump map to give the
    water some texture.  I've lost my bump map setting but I believe I
    used around 3 frequencies and a fairly small size.  You will have to
    experiment with this to make sure you don't have rings and that the
    water looks choppy enough for your purposes.

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    I then added a second sphere that was a little bit larger than the
    first sphere.  This represents the continents themselves.  What you
    will need to do is create three image maps for the continents.  One
    will be a color map.  This will give your continents the correct
    color they require.  You will either have to find a map that fits
    your needs or create one.  I created my own from a program on an IBM
    system that is a graphic database of the states of the USA as well as
    the continents of the world.  I had the program draw the world with
    boundry lines and then converted the resulting PCX file to the Amiga
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** In the following paragraph, I have not been able to find this image **
   (Please refer to the above mentioned earth.lha archive instead)

    Lightwave comes with a color map for the world called
    worldcolormap.iff located in the Images directory.  However, this map
    will probably not suit your needs.  You can probably colorize it to
    fit your needs or you can just try to find one with the correct
    colorings and use that.  No matter which way to go with creating your
    initial color map, you will need to use the *exact* same map to
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    colorize your map if you are comfortable with that or you can use
    ToasterPaint.   I used DPaint for my maps.

    Once you have your color map colored the way you want it you can save
    it as worldcolormap.iff.  You will then want to take the same map and
    modify it to be your BUMP map.  The bump map will give your
    continents and any features you have on them depth.  Of course this
    isn't "real" depth, just the illusion of depth since Lightwave
    doesn't currently do displacement mapping.
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    You can load the worldcolormap.iff image into Dpaint and convert it
    to shades of gray.  You will want to make any areas you want to
    appear raised light shades of grey to white and the recessed areas dark
    shades of grey to black.   Once you are done creating your bump map
    you can save that as worldbumpmap.iff.  Actually it doesn't matter
    which way you create your map as you can pick "negative image" in
    most all of the mapping requestors to swap the ranges if you made the
    image backwards in regards to light and dark areas.

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    You now will want to take the same color map image you started with
    and create a transparency map.  The transparency map will allow the
    smaller ocean sphere to show through between the continents.

    Make the water areas white and the continent areas black.  Anything
    white will be transparent while black areas are opaque.  Save this
    map as worldtransmap.iff.

    On to the atmosphere/clouds.  A good example of atmosphere is the
    object supplied with Lightwave in the objects/space directory called
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    fits your needs.  If so, you can just save the surface as atmosphere
    and then load that surface onto your third sphere which should be
    about 10% larger than your continents sphere.  If you want more
    clouds in your atmosphere you can add them by changing your color map
    info from the set color of 85 155 245 to use a texture.  Pick fractal
    noise and adjust the parameters to suit your needs.

    Now you are set to load the parts into Lightwave and setup the
    surfaces.
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    Load your globe object into Lightwave (if you saved all three spheres
    out as a single Globe object) or load in your three seperate spheres
    into Lightwave.  If you kept your sphere seperate then you will have
    to make the water and atmosphere parented to the continents.  Please
    check your manual for the use of parented objects.  If you want your
    world to have the correct tilted angle as the Earth does, you will
    have to additionally parent the continents to a null object that is
    rotated the correct number of degrees of tilt.  I don't know off hand
    what the Earths tilt is however.  If using a single globe object you
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    correct angle for your purposes.

    Load all three images into Lightwave.  worldcolormap.iff,
    worldbumpmap.iff and worldtransmap.iff.

    Ok, now you can start fiddling with your surfaces.

    Pick water and set the surface settings as I suggested in the the
    water paragraph somewhere above.  Pick the continents surface and
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    click on surface color.  Click on texture.  Pick Spherical Image Map
    and then select the worldcolormap.iff image.  Click on use texture.
    Set diffuse to 100% with sharp terminator on, specular to 0,
    glossiness to medium.  Zilch on the reflection settings.  Click on
    Transparency, click on Texture.  Pick spherical image map and pick
    worldtransmap.iff and then use texture.  All spheres should have
    Smoothing ON.  Click on Bump Map, spherical image map and pick
    worldbumpmap.iff and use texture.

    Pick your atmosphere surface.  Click on Load Surface (if you saved
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    the Atmosphere from the supplied planet) and load the atomosphere
    surface you saved.  If you want to modify it as I stated above, do so
    now.

    At this point (if I haven't missed something) you have your planet
    loaded into Lightwave in the middle of the universe tilted at the
    correct angle for the Earth and looking pretty darn good.

>
> Hmm...I forgot what the other thing I was going to ask was. Oh well. Plenty for
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>
> Thanks again for the help.
>
>
> Daryl Bartley - [e-mail]
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In reference my question:

>I am using the subdivide function in LW 3.0. It works great
>with on symmetrical objects. However, when I try it on a built
>object (not lathed) smoothing and facet give me the same results,
>straight lines with midpoints on those lines. The smoothing function
>does not seem to work with compound curves on an object.

I was importing an Imagine object that probably did not have ordered
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subdivide and smoothing worked!

Now, how do you order points in LightWave?
Can Interchange (plus) order points when converting?



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> I am tring to use the boolean subtract function with letters on
> a diamond shaped object and when I try the function in starts the 1 of
> 6 and gets half way and it stops.

My initial guess would be you are running out of memory. How much memory
do you have and how much is left over when you are in Modeler? With complex
boolean operations, a fair amount of compute power and memory can be consumed.
The fact that it got through the first half of 1 of 6 fairly quickly leads
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> well, what did you think ?

Uh oh, you shouldn't have asked me that!  ;^)

The show was mostly a yawn overall.  Just as bad as Babylon 5 in most respects.
Doesn't hold a candle to STNG or DS9.  It *was* considerably better than, say,
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> i thought the CG was overall very good looking-although seaquest itself looked
> a bit like ol'Babylon five :-)

The toaster animations were too dark, making it hard to see anything (yes, I
*know* it is actually dark at 10,000 feet, but then why not just show a black
screen for external shots?).  The only places it wasn't too dark was in the high
intensity lighting aimed directly at my eyes, blinding me to most of everything
else.  A realistic effect, but not very interesting.  Frustrating even.  What
I could see looked a bit cartoonish.  I suspect this is due to the general
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darkness masking out most of the highlight and texture clues that would
ordinarily make it look more real (Babylon 5 for example, looked better to me).

> the acting was MUCH better than Babylon :-)

In a few cases.  Luckily the worst actor by far went down with her sub and won't
be back.

> a note, it LOOKED like Newtek and the Video Toaster had a separate credit, but since
> NBC chose that precise minute to "toasterize" :-) the screen and reduce the credits to
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> a postage stamp size while allowing John Laroquette plug HIS new show,

That was rude, crude and socially unacceptable.  NBC seems to be trying to kill
this one already.  That's the biggest indicator that it could be a successful
show.  NBC only tries really hard to destroy shows that are capable of
developing fanatical followings and loyal audiences.  They worked very hard to
eradicate Star Trek and managed it after three seasons (mostly by making the
scripts "socially meaningful" i.e. "bad"), and stompped Max Headroom in one
season.  Hill Street Blues was scheduled to die until it won all those awards, so
they started moving it around in the schedule to find a place where it couldn't
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live.  Typical of the "Smart as a Peacock" network...

> now please stop with the network tv sucks campaign :-)

I will when it stops sucking! ;^)

To get back to SQ-DSV, my biggest problems with the show are SF based, not
production technology problems.  I've been reading SF since I was 7 and SQ-DSV
is just plain poor in the script area.  It is pretty blatantly PC Propaganda in
general, but I could live with that.  What I can't stand is SF that has such
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Specific examples include the pirate sub covered with protrusions going to
"silent running" (protrusions make noise, that's why modern quiet subs are
smooth...that and drag reduction), mini-subs moving at what appeared to be 50 or
60 knots with no streamlining at all, and that "hyper-reality" thing that looked
like a running dog (what did it need the legs for? Why not a fish-with-arms, or
an octopus-like shape?).  There was also an enormous amount of wasted space,
making it look more like a set in a sound stage than a submarine.  I suspect
that the slide-projector-and-fog hologram would be a bit dangerous in a closed
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environment.  The Dry Ice subliming would increase the CO2 content of the air
and make the scrubbers work extra hard.  Given the roominess of the captain's
cabin is it really necessary for it to go up and down six or seven inches when
activated?  A white wall takes less room, power, and maintenance.  Silly, but
that "mag-lev" train they use to move through the sub is REALLY stupid!  Is 1000
feet really that far?  Carriers are that big now and don't have trains!  And
that stupid "thank you for riding mag-lev" recording is just too much.  This is
a military vessel, not a public transportation system!  Who cares if the stupid
thing gets used or not?  Argghhh!  Other idiocies include a military boat with
no manual overrides for weapon systems, an untrained crew (the guy with the
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videos looking confused and falling down the stairs after the collision alarm
had gone off as a warning.  The civilians, ok, but not the military crew!  They
are supposed to know what they are doing).  There are many other examples, but
you get the idea.

The quality of the writing was poor too.  The "bad guys" were stupid cardboard
cutout stereotypes (the greedy, I don't care who I hurt as long as I make a lot
of money rich industrialist, the psychotic revenge-crazed ex-captain (do you
have any idea what sort of psychological screening they do before they let you
into a sub crew, let alone as captain?), and the faceless idiots that work for
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them and do whatever evil things they command without question.  The "good guys"
weren't much better.  We have the scientist-doctor that hates the military, the
military guy who doesn't think much of the scientists, the smart-alec super
genius kid, and the career military guy who used to serve with the captain in
the old days.  Give me a break!  The only one they did any character development
on was the captain!  Everyone else seems to be the way they are and do the
things they do to make it easier for the writers, no matter how unreasonable
they seem.  Just plain lazy, or heavily restricted by the management types?  I
don't know, but the results were very poor.

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In some ways it looks like the writers were trying to copy STNG as a formula.
They have an all-military first officer under a military/scientist captain and a
female chief scientist and ship's doctor who might end up as a minor love
interest.  They also have the teenage scientific genius to save the day for the
old foggies when necessary.  Maybe they should have copied it a bit more and
made the world, characters and plots a bit more reasonable and believeable.

Now, aren't you sorry you asked? ;^)

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+-- Tim Salazar <[e-mail]>
| I am using the subdivide function in LW 3.0. It works great
| with on symmetrical objects. However, when I try it on a built
| object (not lathed) smoothing and facet give me the same results,
| Straight lines with midpoints on those lines. The smoothing function
| does not seem to work with compound curves on an object.

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work exactly the same way as smoothing in LightWave.  If you can
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I am having a small problem with Shadow Mapping and spotlights. I can't seem to
determine the proper order in which LW applies the shadow maps...I always get
one that is obviously a shadow map (ie the other shadows don't appear in its
spot)...is there a way to get multiple shadow maps to overlap properly?

Also, as to spotlight beams, I have been successful by using a tube instead of
a cone, by making a line, angling it to the same angle as the light source, and
then lathing it. Sizing it to match a spot on the wall works okay, but is kind
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Thanks for the Earth info, too. On the way to an increasingly convincing Earth.




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> So, how are people accurately placing the cone on the
> lightsource, so the light "spread" matches the cone diameter ?

Since you specify the angle of light spread, it is a simple matter of
modeling a cone with the same angle. Don't forget to account for the
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> Lets take sunlight streaming thru a window- i tried placing a
> trapezoidal form instead of a cone-to simulate a "square"
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You could either create an image sequence of floating dust as a transparency
map or model the dust particles and animate them with displacement mapping.
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>When you size a view with the middle cross frame (ie make Face bigger)
>I would like the object to remain the same relative size to the frame.
>Most of the time I make the frame bigger then have to go back and zoom
>the object. It could be all one move.
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  Hello everybody,

  I have an animation that the seg.1,2 and 3 don't modify (it's a car that
pass from the left to the righ). Only the seg.4 (medium res) modifies. Ques-
tion : Why the LW has to calculate the segs. 1,2 and 3 if they don't modify?
If the camera don't moves and the lights don't moves and no texture velocity,
why calculate it again? It'll be much more faster in some cases.

Adriano.

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Help!
I need to know if the new Toaster package comes with 3D fonts?
I've seen the 'Text' option has been added, but does it support 3D fonts?

Also, is there an easy way to make the 2D fonts supplied in 'Text' into
3D objects.

Any responses, hints, suggestions or other info is much appreciated.

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Howdy Everyone:

    I've been noticing how useful the VELOCITY setting in the motions
requestor is- it really helps smooth out flight paths.

    1) In the same spirit, I suggest an ROTATIONAL VELOCITY motion
       graph to help smooth out rotational motions.

    2) The "d" key does not seem to be used.  I suggest that it call up
       the options menu to maintain consistancy with Modeler.
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    3) Is there a way to use ALIGN TO PATH such that when the object hits
       the final keyframe of its motion path it doesn't suddenly whip around
       to a new heading?

    4) Is there a way to make the lens flare "spokes" rotate with the
       light?  This would make "photon torpedos" a snap.

    I'm SO demanding!  Seems all I do is ask for features!

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I wrote:
>>To add a bill, simply clone one,
>>shift +3 frames, copy end shifted frames to beginning, delete end shifted
>>frames, and select repeat.

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>     If I simply wanted the bills to cross ONCE, this >>would<< be
>     trivial.  Unfortunately, each bill makes its journey in 60 frames,
>     but the animation is 300 frames.

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On Sep 27, 11:17pm, [e-mail] wrote:
} Subject: Re: LW wish
> >A wish on the Modeller in LightWave:
> >
> >When you size a view with the middle cross frame (ie make Face bigger)
> >I would like the object to remain the same relative size to the frame.
> >Most of the time I make the frame bigger then have to go back and zoom
> >the object. It could be all one move.
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> >Tim [e-mail]
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The window being expanded would be the one of my interest. So if it looked
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would work great. And vs for the larger window being sized down.

Tim
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HMMMMM....
      well its seems to be out of this newbies court.

      One thing I did try for the heck of it was to enter the
"AmiLink" (tm) command string into the "Record string" of
lightwave. Everything seemed to work the same and I kinda wonder
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When I did get a fax from RGB ([phone]) it contained an
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my paperwork says it should be...

ZZ NS NR1 ND1 CL EI SD3 AI1 PR1000 TSV ECST RH

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I was at WOCA Pasadena, and got me a little white piece of ingenuity,

                  T H E     L I G H T R A V E    C A R D

It allows LightWave to be run without the toaster, and also allows images
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What can I say, the combination of LightRave and LightWave 3.0 (got the
toaster software upgrade) is some piece of pie.
Bones, shadow mapping and lens flare come as my favorite new options. It's
really something to look for in Imagine 3.0.
The program doesn't render to PAL resolutions, though, and I couldn't find
a way to specify a custom resolution. Sure, I can render to High Resolution
and batch-scale the files down, but a custom resolution would be a far
better solution. Mark? Allen? Anyone? (If it's a RTFM case, just mention
the page number)
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To anyone who wants to widen his horizons and get a state-of-the-art
package, I heartily recommend LightRave + LightWave. If you own a toaster,
great.
If, on the other hand, you live in that deserted, miserable part of the
world that uses a strange video system called PAL, LightRave is for you.

Nir Hermoni
Author of "THIS RECOMMENDATION"
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Note: This is a follow up to the previous part. It's dated 2 days later,
but I disagreed with my mailer, and nothing was sent. here it is, anyway.

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Having purchased LightRave from Warm and Fuzzy Logic, and the Toaster
software upgrade from NewTek, and after reading the start of Lightrave
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Wars, here is my point of view as a client of both companies, and one who
likes the fact he can at last use LightWave.

First, I deal with PAL video, and LightWave has always been something to
look for. The fact that one couldn't run it without the toaster meant it's
price was significally higher than any other 3D software on the Amiga, plus
your video slot was disabled and couldn't be fitted with PAL compatible
color cards.
All this led to the fact that there are very few LightWave installments in
europe. Most of the 3D animators here work on Imagine or Real3D.
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I purchased LightRave as the almost perfect solution to use LightWave, the
perfect solution being of course a run alone, PAL adapted program. NewTek
kept on selling LightWave with NTSC toasters, and didn't seem to bother
about the PAL market. Quite stupid, IMO, as they could have made twice the
profit.

Some thoughts about the legality of the whole idea did concern me, but two
things assured me it was a legal business: First, the warm and fuzzy people
had a booth in WOCA, just like Commodore, or VTU. It wasn't as if I bought
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the card in a dark alley somewhere. If NewTek objects to the concept, I'm
sure they could do something to prevent it.
Second, the Toaster upgrade was sold to anyone just like any other
package. Again, if NewTek wants to limit the the upgrades to registered
toaster owners only, they should do something about it. When I bought the
upgrade no one asked me if I was registered at NewTek.

Where IS NewTek, incidentally? They should be the most concerned party in this
issue, if no one else. Allen Hastings monitors the list, and I bet he has
something to say in the matter, too, if its his opinions or NewTeks.
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Maybe they are so silent because it's what they really wanted to do, and
here comes someone and does it for them. The pressure to put out a PAL
toaster would lower now, and they even don't have to deal with the small
matter of breaking LightWave from the toaster and adjusting it to PAL.
John Foust said that now LightWave could be pirated like any other
software, and it would hurt NewTek. He is right, of course. But that goes
to all software, and no one is immune. People may buy LightRave and pirate
LightWave, and they would end up with no manuals and no support. The
serious users would buy the Toaster upgrade, and I think NewTek should
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on a NewTek product. That's the most I would spend on anything related to
the toaster, as long as it's only NTSC. They should support upgrade buyers.
Heck, W&FL opened the entire world for their product, without them having
to move a finger.

Nir Hermoni, Israel
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It is extremely easy...
Although there aren't big sets of 3D fonts with the new lightwave, you
don't need them.  The text function in modeler imports Post Script fonts
(remember those 250 fonts that are a part of Toaster CG?) and turns them
into flat objects.  Use the extrude function, and viola it is 3D text.
It's much faster than trying to lign up individual 3D letters to form
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Well, talked to Mike Reynolds at RGB (who was very helpful and concise), and
we now have single framing working without a hitch. Tested it with a 12 second
waving flag animation and it didn't skip or glitch at all.

I don't know the peculiarities of anyone else's setup, but I know what worked
on ours...basically the AmiLink has to be hooked up to house sync, and sometimes
it helps to run the AmiLink software first and then quit before running AnimTo.
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Anyway, I lost the address of the person who originally had the problem, so if
you want to know any more about how it worked, (except for the minor miracle),
drop me a reply.



Daryl T. Bartley
Greenwood Abbey Productions/Tasty Graphics
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> > >When you size a view with the middle cross frame (ie make Face bigger)
> > >I would like the object to remain the same relative size to the frame.

> The window being expanded would be the one of my interest.

Well, it is not too difficult to imagine a scenerio where this method could
behave unpredictably, ie. when 2 of the 3 views are being expanded. Personally,
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Has anyone out there heard anything more about the transputer system for
the Amiga that was shown at World of Amiga in Pasadena on September 10?
All I have to work from is the text of GEnie's 5-Minute News item, and
they don't give company contact info, just the name.  US Cybernetics
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I was in the store, playing with Lightwave, to see if I could do anything
without knowing what I'm doing.  (A running theme...)  I set a motion path
for the camera and did a wire frame preview of the the scene (a melted
sphere at (0,0,0) and everything looked ok.  I created three lights, set
them where I wanted them, and did a test render.  When the render finished,
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Ive been experimenting with the TREXX professional software.  I cant get it to
use time values at all. ie..  wait 5 secs, it just gives me an error inthe
shell i executed the script from, and then goes onto the nextprocess woith no
pause what so ever.

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+-- Lance Walker <[e-mail]>
| I need to know if the new Toaster package comes with 3D fonts?
| I've seen the 'Text' option has been added, but does it support 3D fonts?

The Text command generates 2D polygonal shapes from Type-1 PostScript
fonts.  The Toaster comes with 300 or so and they can also be used
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| Also, is there an easy way to make the 2D fonts supplied in 'Text' into
| 3D objects.

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Nir Hermoni asks what NewTek's opinions on LightRave are.  I don't know.  But
I do know that Mr. Hastings is quite displeased.  After seeing the LightRave
advertisement in VTU, I can see why.  Their wording is very coy, and appears
to have been written by the same people who sell you "mineral extracts" and
"coagulated bee pollen with Aloe Vera seed oil," going to lengths to convince
you that the stuff has medicinal value without actually saying it.

On the positive side, I had an great time at the NewTek show today, with pre-
sentations by Ms. Stockhammer, Mr. Wheaton, and others.  I learned quite a
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week.)  When the show hits your neighborhood, see it!  Robo Jr. alone was
worth the price of admission (free).

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Hello Everyone,

here is a response to the letter I sent to wuarchive requesting
a specific LightWave dir....

On Sep 27, Urban D Mueller wrote:

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> Hello Gentlemen,
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> I am writing on behalf of the members of the LightWave Mailing List.
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> There has recently been a lot of interest in a specific directory
> for LW objects.  All of the 3D object directories are shared with
> objects for Turbo Silver and Imagine.  What we are wondering is if

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> you could set up a specific directory for our LW objects?
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> Something like    /systems/amiga/boing/video/3d/LWobjects or

Boing is going to be included in Aminet.

>         /systems/amiga/aminet/gfx/3dobj/LightWave

The aminet tree (better referred to as pub/aminet) has a restriction of
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two directory levels and 10 chars for them. Thus the name would have to
be gfx/light, which I don't really like. If we go to three dir levels,
you'll get your dir right away, for now I'd prefer not, unless there are
REALLY many files (>50) for it. gfx/3dobj is not such a bad place for it.

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Seems to me, we need to come up with 50 LW specific objs to help convince
them..  ;)

I will also send Urban a response back explaining how LW specific objs
retain more surface info and other related things that are lost in the
conversion process...

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>The program doesn't render to PAL resolutions, though, and I couldn't find
>a way to specify a custom resolution. Sure, I can render to High Resolution
>and batch-scale the files down, but a custom resolution would be a far
>better solution. Mark? Allen? Anyone? (If it's a RTFM case, just mention
>the page number)

    Honestly, the brass-plated GALL of these people.  First, they
    pirate the software, then they COMPLAIN about it.
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>Nir Hermoni
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>Anyone else out there discover how many new things about the toaster
> just kind of pop up by accident. You know, you discover certain buttons
> do things that the manual mentions?
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Why is something the manual >>mentions<< an interesting topic?
    I'm a lot more interested in things it does NOT mention, or
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> Is this in the manual somewhere?
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    Pages 11 & 29 of the 2.0 manual, page 10 & 26 of the 3.0 manual.
    In both cases the text reference makes the same mistake you did, listing
    the HELP key instead of the DELETE key.  Odd.  However, the
    hotkey lists at the end of the TPAINT sections are accurate.

> I like it. It saves time.

    Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

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> I just thought it strange I never saw anything about it.

    Stop me if you've seen this before:

              RTFM

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Mark Thompson writes:

>I wrote:
>>>To add a bill, simply clone one,
>>>shift +3 frames, copy end shifted frames to beginning, delete end shifted
>>>frames, and select repeat.
>
>[e-mail] writes:
>>       If I simply wanted the bills to cross ONCE, this >>would<< be
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>It can be done as I described. Unfortunately, it will require that you make
>every frame a key for your first path and then use the clone and timeline
>rotatation method I outlined. This will allow your path to repeat seamlessly
>for as many frames as you like without object dissolve envelopes (as long as
>motion blur is disabled).

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Ahhh, that makes sense. (Did you mention the "All-Keyframes" gag before?)
     ARRGGHHH!  This looks like a job for AREXX.  Although I have a sneaking
     feeling there may not be quite enough LAYOUT AREXX commands to
     pull this off.

Everybody, any suggestions (besides AREXX) on how to make all the frames
     keyframes w/o mucho labor?  (I know, 60 frames isn't that many,
     but it is at least 120 keystrokes, and a generalized solution
     would be more generically useful.)
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(you guys sick of this yet?)

    Appended to this message is a 2 object SCENE file subset of the "fountain
of dollars" motion path problem I presented in this forum.  This subset
illustrates the problem quite clearly if you make motion paths visible.

    Just substitute any handy object for the "box" object in the
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    Notice the onion shape of object(2)'s path, since it lacks a
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spline.  Although this would probably work OK for my particular use, it
isn't the smoothest path in the world.  Obviously I could edit this path,
but the idea is there would be hundreds of these objects in this path.  I
don't want to adjust each one's path by hand.

    Also, note that even if you edit the motion path w/a text editor,
and put "frame zero" at another frame, LightWave still interprets the
first keyframe listed as frame zero no matter what you put in the frame
number position.  For subsequent keyframes, of course, you can edit
their frame number.

    As this is a function that could be very handy in creating streams
of cloned objects, it would be good if Allen figured out an elegant way
of achieving this effect.

    So far, Mark's suggestion has been the most effective--i.e.
make the path, make every frame a keyframe, then shift and rotate
the cloned paths.  Laborious but effective.  No doubt an AREXX script is
the current best way to approach this.

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>I was in the store, playing with Lightwave, to see if I could do anything
>without knowing what I'm doing.  (A running theme...)  I set a motion path
>for the camera and did a wire frame preview of the the scene (a melted
>sphere at (0,0,0) and everything looked ok.  I created three lights, set
>them where I wanted them, and did a test render.  When the render finished,
>the lights were all back at (0,0,0), instead of where I left them.
>
>Why?
>
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>Hypothesis 1: I needed to set up some key frames for them; without key
>frames, Lightwave didn't know what to "attach" the light positions to.
>
>Hypothesis 2: Since (0,0,0) is the location of Federation HQ (and Star-
>fleet Command), the lights retreated to that location (Earth) after the
>disastrous loss to the Borg.
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>                         -- David Schachter
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>US Cybernetics
>doesn't appear in any of the national company directories, either.  I've
>got a call in to the people who organized the show, but if anybody has
>any contact or background info on WARP Systems or US Cybernetics I'd
>really appreciate it.

U.S. Cybernetics, Inc.
1950 Stemmons Freeway, Suite 5001
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From:    CRL::"[e-mail]" "Bill Mills" 29-SEP-1993 16:27:01.91
To:    [e-mail]
CC:    [e-mail]
Subj:    Re:  3D Fonts in modeler

>>It is extremely easy...
>>Although there aren't big sets of 3D fonts with the new lightwave, you
>>don't need them.  The text function in modeler imports Post Script fonts
>>(remember those 250 fonts that are a part of Toaster CG?) and turns them
>>into flat objects.  Use the extrude function, and viola it is 3D text.
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>>It's much faster than trying to lign up individual 3D letters to form
>>a word.  It took me all of 3 or 4 minutes to figure out how to use this
>>feature, without looking at the manual, and I am definitely a beginner when
>>it comes to modeler, so it's pretty simple to use.

  I just started using these fonts with the text, It works great.
 The fonts are very smooth, no more having to trace/edit bitmap fonts!
 Also, there are some text utilities under the macro button. (Lots of nice
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  As an aside, I was so impressed with the added functionality that the Arexx
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Is the T4000 upgrade offer still on?  If so, are the terms still that you
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I think LightRave is a quasi-legal hack, but maybe it will turn out
to be a good thing because maybe it will convince NewTek that
lots of us think Lightwave is awesome but are not interested
at all in the Toaster.  If I could buy LW 3.0 for $1500 and
run it on an accelerated A1200, I'd have gotten it already.

I don't presently own an Amiga, and I'd really like an
accelerated A1200 because it is so affordable, but I can't
lightwave on that.  For now I'll keep using only 3D Studio.

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Hi,
    I really need a fairly detailed model of a person.  Male/female, anything you have.
    Does anyone have a program called Humanoid?  It's suppose to generate human figures I heard.  But I thinks it's only for PCs and Macs.
    Any format would be fine.

Thanks.


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On This list  on Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:54:59 -0600 (PDT), Lance Walker
<cns!agora.rain.com> wrote.

>Help!
>I need to know if the new Toaster package comes with 3D fonts?
>I've seen the 'Text' option has been added, but does it support 3D fonts?
>

Perhaps you missed this in the manual, but the fonts supplied with the
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with the TEXT Macro, or the TEXT Gadget.

Note: Lance what follows is NOT picking on you, I just came up with this
idea..

Just a thought guys:  Has anyone thought of comming up with a FAQ for this
list?  Perhaps an updated FAQ could be sent to all new people who join the
list.  Now that LIGHTRAVE is being Pirated with copies of Lightwave 3.0 I can
invision having to deal with ALOT OF REQUESTs for questions that are answered
in the manual.   But the more I think about it why should we re-write the
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will be alot of garbage to wade through if this list turns into posts with
full quotes and responces that say "READ YOUR MANUAL!"

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Which version of TRexx Pro do you have? I have the first version that rolled
off the line, and it seems to be flaky in the extreme, it has problems with
numerous functions and crashes on a whim.

As for the transitions, it comes with some 'examples' for their crouton creation
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I am a relative lightwave neophyte, so please forgive if this is a basic
question.

I am trying to connect two objects in lightwave.  To do this, I have connected
all the points together and made them into a polygon.  I then assigned a surface
to this polygon and rendered it.  Unfortunately, the rendered surface looked
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On a related note, I am having problems making changes to surfaces.  Situation:
I change the color of a surface and then save it, and later I reload the object
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I've always thought that Humanoid was available only for the Amiga, in either
Imagine or Lightwave versions.  They have an ad in the recent issue of Amiga
World (small, but still there ).  The company is called Anti-Gravity Workshop,
the same guys who did a neat cover rendered image for AmigaWorld's 1992 Anim.
and Video Special Issue.

Hope that helps,
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>I think LightRave is a quasi-legal hack, but maybe it will turn out
>to be a good thing because maybe it will convince NewTek that
>lots of us think Lightwave is awesome but are not interested
>at all in the Toaster.  If I could buy LW 3.0 for $1500 and
>run it on an accelerated A1200, I'd have gotten it already.

     I just needed to drop in here and say that there are at least
some of us out here who are more interested in the rest of the Toaster
and less in Lightwave. When I got my Toaster (2.0) it was because of
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that I used to create the occasional single frame background (much
easier than in ToasterPaint, but what can you expect from a program
known as "TP"). When I decided to upgrade to the 4000 it was Not for
the improved LW, but for the improved CG and other factors.
     I have enjoyed, and kept, many of the tips and hints I've gotten
about LW. Just don't take the rest of the Toaster for granted! For
those of us on a small budget it offers possibilities far beyond what
we had before.

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I just got Humanoid for Imagine. It is great! Not only is it detailed (two
different levels one hi density and one regular) but it also is cycle/motion
heirarchical articulated! In Imagine it is great! In LightWave you have to
do some work arounds but it does work.

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> A Lightrave owner writes:
>
> >The program doesn't render to PAL resolutions, though, and I couldn't find
> >a way to specify a custom resolution. Sure, I can render to High Resolution
> >and batch-scale the files down, but a custom resolution would be a far
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> >the page number)
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>    Honestly, the brass-plated GALL of these people.  First, they
>    pirate the software, then they COMPLAIN about it.

I suggest you read my whole message before taking such an offending
opinion. I didn't pirate anything, or else I wouldn't have been here. I
bought two legitemate products. I didn't have to buy the Toaster upgrade -
all I needed was LightRave to run it. But as I said, I'm a professional
animator, and I BUY the software I need. I bought the upgrade without spending
additional $2000 for a card that I couldn't use anyway and that would
prevent me from using a decent PAL card, like OpalVision.
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Having finally entered Modeler to any great extent since getting the 3.0 upgrade
(having way too much fun just using existing models), I've been trying to get
any of the included ARexx commands to work that call the MOVE command.  I keep
getting "Wrong number of argument" errors for any script that uses MOVE.  I'm
estimating I've got something else running that has a MOVE command as an ARexx
command that is interfering but thus far haven't found what.  Just so I know,
the MOVE command DOES work, right?  :)

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Hola -
  I thought this might be of interest to the LWave list audience. At the Video
Toaster User's Group of Los Angeles, head of the group Mark Stross told us of
a couple of new policies from NewTek that were corroborated by a dealer freshly
returned from NewTek university, to wit:  all further development on Toaster
software will no longer work on the original Toaster card, but will require the
Toaster4000 card although not the 4000 itself.  The new card apparently fixes
some 'buffer shift' problems, and they feel they should no longer support the
'old & inferior' technology.  Thus the revised ToasterPaint, due (ha!) next
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bug fixes & apparently some support for the Screamer, no pending radical
revisions Mark was prepared to share with us) will also I believe not run on
the old hardware. Mark claimed that at least unofficially LightRave is there
to thank for the old card's accellerated demise.
  For those who have upgraded hw & sw this is obviously not a problem; likewise
for those yet to upgrade, the combo upgrade is still possible at the $1200
price.  However, there has apparently been no decision on those who paid for
the software upgrade but declined to upgrade their boards as well -- that's
the real kicker, and were I one of you folks who chose that route I would
write/phone/fax them as often as possible, once this policy is verified, to
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  On the upside, NewTek has apparently added a slew of folks to tech support,
so if you DO get through the endless busy signals, there should be someone
knowledgable on the other end to give you an assist.  They apparently log over
2000 calls a day there.

  Anyway this is something more than unsubstantiated rumor, but less than an
official NewTek press release, so take it for what it's worth.  But Mark has
always seemed a pretty straight shooter, and I at least have no reason to doubt
that the info was as current as he was aware.
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Aha!  Fresh reboot and Move worked just fine.  Entered VLT to enter this message
and there goes the Move command.  Something it loads up (library) must have a
Move command as well and doesn't flush out too well when VLT quits.  Do I feel
stupid?  You bet!  Certainly not the last time either!  :)

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Ok, ok, it isn't pretty but it works.  Notice all the commented out
stuff--you can fix that yourselves.  Also, some of the diagnostics
may still be in, waddaya want for free?

Besides, you always WANTED to learn AREXX, right?

Actually, surprisingly effective.  Don't use sample numbers over
5 or it'll take FOREVER (or close enough) to complete.  Start with the
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/*  STANDIN.LWM   Supposedly constructs a simplified version of an object.*/

libadd = addlib("LWModelerARexx.port",0)
signal on error
signal on syntax
sample=3

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sysnam="Standin Object Maker"

call addlib "rexxsupport.library", 0, -30, 0
call addlib "rexxmathlib.library", 0, -30, 0
call addlib "LWModelerARexx.port", 0




/* Ask user how many divisions. */
Command:
call req_begin sysnam
divx_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on X axis",'N',0)
divy_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on Y axis",'N',0)
divz_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on Z axis",'N',0)

call req_setval divx_r, sample
call req_setval divy_r, sample
call req_setval divz_r, sample

if (~req_post()) then do
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    call req_end
    exit
end

divx = req_getval(divx_r)
divy = req_getval(divy_r)
divz = req_getval(divz_r)
call REQ_END()

/* FOR DEBUGGIN PURPOSES ONLY */
Command:
note1="Divx= " divx "Divy= " divy "Divz= " divz
temp=NOTIFY(1,"Ok, finished with the divs, with", note1)


/* Find empty layers  */
  empty = emptylayers()
  if (words(empty) < 2) then do
    call notify 1,syscode,"!Need 2 empty layers","!for this operation."
    exit
    end
Command:
  boxlayer = word(empty, 1)
  acclayer = word(empty, 2)

/* Find active layers  */
    active=CURLAYER()


/* Find upper & lower bounds */

boxdata=BOUNDINGBOX()
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parse var boxdata n minx maxx miny maxy minz maxz /*SHOULD check for empty list
*/

/* Now, make them slightly bigger, using LWM functions. */
call setlayer(boxlayer)
call MAKEBOX(minx miny minz ,maxx maxy maxz )
middlex=minx+((maxx-minx)/2)
middley=miny+((maxy-miny)/2)
middlez=minz+((maxz-minz)/2)
CALL SCALE(1.01 1.01 1.01 , middlex middley middlez)
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/* Retrieve slightly larger values.  */
boxdata=BOUNDINGBOX()
parse var boxdata n minx maxx miny maxy minz maxz /*SHOULD check for empty list
*/
call CUT()
width=maxx-minx
    widthinc=width/divx

heigth=maxy-miny
Command:
    heigthinc=heigth/divy

depth=maxz-minz
    depthinc=depth/divz
temp=NOTIFY(1, "BP 1,WIDTHINC= " widthinc  "Heighthinc= "heigthinc  "depthinc="
depthinc, "Active layer=" active, "Boxlayer="boxlayer)


lcornerx=minx    /*initializing box coordinates */
lcornery=miny
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lcornerz=minz

temp=NOTIFY(1, "OK, PAST UPPER & LOWER BOUND DEFINITION")

/* Start construction of boxes */
counter=0
meterhead="Making Stand-in Object"
meterfoot=total "total volumes to be checked."

temp=NOTIFY(1, "just before meterstart")
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total= ((divx*divy)*divz)%1  /* Make it an integer. Better ways? */
/*temp=NOTIFY(1,"TOTAL="total)*/
/*CALL METER_BEGIN(total, meterhead)*/
/*call meter_begin total, meterhead
temp=NOTIFY(1, "just after meterstart")*/

DO x=1 to divx
Command:

    ucornerx=lcornerx+widthinc
    DO y=1 to divy
        ucornery=lcornery+heigthinc
        DO z=1 to divz
  /*call meter_step*/
            counter=counter+1
/*temp=NOTIFY(1, "IN Z LOOP, X=" x ,"Y=" y ,"Z= "z,"Boxlayer="boxlayer,"Iterati
on="counter "of"total)*/
            ucornerz=lcornerz+depthinc

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            CALL SETLAYER(boxlayer)
            call MAKEBOX( lcornerx lcornery lcornerz , ucornerx ucornery ucornerz)
            CALL SETBLAYER(active)
            CALL BOOLEAN('INTERSECT')

    /*This section lifted from BBOX routine that comes w/Toaster 3.0 */
                CALL SETLAYER(boxlayer)
                box=boundingbox()  /* Should check out empty list... */
                parse var box n x1 x2 y1 y2 z1 z2
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                  call CUT()
                CALL SETLAYER(acclayer)
                  call MAKEBOX(x1 y1 z1,x2 y2 z2)

            lcornerz=ucornerz
/*          call meter_step*/
/*            mcheck=METER_STEP()*/
            /*if mcheck~=0 then do
                                temp=NOTIFY(1,"Exiting by meter problem, mchek="mcheck)
                                CALL METER_END()
Command:
                                EXIT*/

            end
        lcornerz=minz
        lcornery=ucornery
        end
    lcornery=miny
    lcornerx=ucornerx
    end
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>Since you specify the angle of light spread, it is a simple matter of
>modeling a cone with the same angle. Don't forget to account for the
>additional soft edge angle.

Hey, Mark, I thought the soft edge angle was set *inside* the cone angle,
not added outside it... Just to confirm, anyway.

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> > >The program doesn't render to PAL resolutions, though, and I couldn't find
> > >a way to specify a custom resolution. Sure, I can render to High Resolution
> > >and batch-scale the files down, but a custom resolution would be a far
> > >better solution. Mark? Allen? Anyone? (If it's a RTFM case, just mention
> > >the page number)
> >
> >    Honestly, the brass-plated GALL of these people.  First, they
> >    pirate the software, then they COMPLAIN about it.
>
> I suggest you read my whole message before taking such an offending
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> opinion. I didn't pirate anything, or else I wouldn't have been here. I
> bought two legitemate products. I didn't have to buy the Toaster upgrade -
> all I needed was LightRave to run it. But as I said, I'm a professional
> animator, and I BUY the software I need. I bought the upgrade without spending
> additional $2000 for a card that I couldn't use anyway and that would
> prevent me from using a decent PAL card, like OpalVision.

As many people will be quick to point out you _DID_ pirate the software.
What you did was purchase an _upgrade_ to an existing product that was ment
for current registered owners of that product.  This is the same as buying
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saving you $200 dolars over the current $299 price of Imagine 2.0. Not legal
at all.

The Toaster is a product, and sometimes we all loose sight of that since each
part of the toasters is potentially able to run on it's own (CG, Paint, 3D, etc)
You either buy the Toaster or you don't buy the Toaster.  And upgrades
such as the 2.0 and 3.0 upgrade kits are for registered owners of the
VideoToaster... not Lightrave.

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I personally am pretty disapointed in NewTek for not addressing the Lightwave
issue of network rendering, site lisences, and the need for a dongle, but
the Screamer is a step in the right direction for me, and the other issues
should happen sometime.  Until then... you do not have any right to illegally
buy a Video Toaster upgrade package or copy the Video Toaster software. PERIOD.

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OK, OK, the first posting of this was maybe a little premature, I admit.

However, the appended version should be a LOT more stable.  <sweating> "It
was the meter function, yeah, that was it, the damn meter function."
<takes gulp of water, the bare overhead bulb glaring on his balding
forehead>  "It was too complex, I couldn't get it to work, it was the
dox, the damn dox, I didn't mean to post it that early!"

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    All right.  Try this first with simple objects, using the default
    values, to get a feel for the (lack of) speed.  Often times
    you'll maybe want to go for a soda, a cup of coffee, petite
    dejuener, or a full blown dinner, depending on how complex the
    original object is.

    Double check the script to maker sure the BBS hasn't truncated
    any lines.

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/*STANDIN.LWM v1.0  Supposedly constructs a simplified version of an object.*/
/*                  This takes some time, so be patient.  The result is a   */
/*                  "enhanced bounding box", very useful for debuggin       */
/*                  motion paths.                                        */
/****************************************************************************/
/*  Must be launched from LWModeler Macro requestor.  Uses Booleans, so is  */
/*  slow.  I highly recommend NOT using sampling values greater than 5.     */
/*  But hey, it is your time.                                               */
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/****************************************************************************/


libadd = addlib("LWModelerARexx.port",0)
/*signal on error
signal on syntax*/
sample=3

sysnam="Standin Object Maker"

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call addlib "rexxsupport.library", 0, -30, 0
call addlib "rexxmathlib.library", 0, -30, 0
call addlib "LWModelerARexx.port", 0

/* Ask user how many divisions. */
call req_begin sysnam
divx_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on X axis",'N',0)
divy_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on Y axis",'N',0)
divz_r = req_addcontrol("Divisions on Z axis",'N',0)

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call req_setval divx_r, sample
call req_setval divy_r, sample
call req_setval divz_r, sample

if (~req_post()) then do
                      call req_end
                      exit
                      end

divx = req_getval(divx_r)
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divy = req_getval(divy_r)
divz = req_getval(divz_r)
call REQ_END()

/* Make them integers. */
divx=divx%1
divy=divy%1
divz=divz%1

/* Find empty layers  */
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empty = emptylayers()
if (words(empty) < 2) then do
    call notify 1,"!Need 2 empty layers","!for this operation."
    exit
    end
boxlayer = word(empty, 1)
acclayer = word(empty, 2)

/* Find active layers  */
active=CURLAYER()

/* Find upper & lower bounds */
boxdata=BOUNDINGBOX()
parse var boxdata n minx maxx miny maxy minz maxz


/* Now, make them slightly bigger, using LWM functions. */
CALL SETLAYEr(boxlayer)
call MAKEBOX(minx miny minz ,maxx maxy maxz )
Command:

middlex=minx+((maxx-minx)/2)
middley=miny+((maxy-miny)/2)
middlez=minz+((maxz-minz)/2)
CALL SCALE(1.01 1.01 1.01 , middlex middley middlez)

/* Retrieve slightly larger values.  */
boxdata=BOUNDINGBOX()
parse var boxdata n minx maxx miny maxy minz maxz
call CUT()     /* Get rid of it. */

Command:
width=maxx-minx
    widthinc=width/divx
heigth=maxy-miny
    heigthinc=heigth/divy
depth=maxz-minz
    depthinc=depth/divz

lcornerx=minx    /*initializing box coordinates */
lcornery=miny
lcornerz=minz
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/* Start construction of boxes */
total= ((divx*divy)*divz)%1    /* Make it an integer. Better ways? */
DO x=1 to divx
   ucornerx=lcornerx+widthinc
   DO y=1 to divy
      ucornery=lcornery+heigthinc
      DO z=1 to divz
         ucornerz=lcornerz+depthinc
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         CALL SETLAYER(boxlayer)
         CALL MAKEBOX( lcornerx lcornery lcornerz , ucornerx ucornery ucornerz)
         CALL SETBLAYER(active)
         CALL BOOLEAN('INTERSECT')
         box=boundingbox()  /* Should check out empty list... */
         parse var box n x1 x2 y1 y2 z1 z2
         CALL CUT()
         CALL SETLAYER(acclayer)
         CALL MAKEBOX(x1 y1 z1,x2 y2 z2)
         lcornerz=ucornerz
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         end
      lcornerz=minz
      lcornery=ucornery
      end
   lcornery=miny
   lcornerx=ucornerx
   end

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> >Don't forget to account for the additional soft edge angle.

> Hey, Mark, I thought the soft edge angle was set *inside* the cone angle,
> not added outside it... Just to confirm, anyway.

Oooops. Bad choice of words on my part. Yes, the soft edge angle is inside
the cone. But as that angle gets large, it will diminish the apparent cone
angle and you might want to account for that with your light beam object.
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Well Everyone,

It looks like we have our own directory..  Now all we need to do is
support it!

On Sep 30, Urban D Mueller wrote:

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> Would a dir like gfx/lwobj be ok?
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Excellent idea. Okay, I'll create this if you want. However, my vote
would still be to just put the files into gfx/3dobj. Reasons: gfx/3dobj
is not very full, and some people looking for 3d object (even if they
are lightwave users) might miss the objects in the lwobj dir. There
is no major reason to separate the objects uploaded by lightwave mailing
list users from the 'normal' 3d object. If we had the three level dir
struct we could arrange them more nicely, of course.

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Type: gfx/lwobj

in the .readme files to ensure I put the files where you want them.

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 I tried to mail it to myself and in it's regular form and it blew by my disk
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Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone out there knows what the 'mathmatical'
effects that tension, bias, and (whats that last one?) have on plotting a
path from a keyframe. I want to be able to 'draw' paths in a program I'm
writing, but need to know how the above 'mathmatically' affects where a
object is in relation to its keyframe...

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I will work on that.  Currently anything sent to [e-mail]
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that and copy it to the server directory on a 12hr or daily basis.

I will work on that.

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It sure didn't take very long...

Warm and Fuzzy are now getting a taste of their own medicine it would seem.
A friend of mine that owns a single Amiga/Toaster setup and fits NewTek's
description of a "Toaster Punk" downloaded a de-dongled Lightrave.  As it
turns out, this thing started circulating almost instantaneously after being
released.

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hack that had it's own VERY expensive dongle were true.  How ironic!

That is the good news...

The bad news is that the only thing W&F has seemed to have done is made the
pirating of Lightwave extremely easy and extremely attractive.  In addition
to the archive I was shown, he mentioned that there is also an archive that
contains it all... Lightwave + Lightrave.

This sucks bigtime.  It seems that the Amiga was finally being let out of the
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room it was locked in ("game machine", "hackers toy", "not profitable") when
this comes along.

That is the bad news...

There are some very attractive things about what I saw in Lightrave.
-  No buffer dumping during a render. (Why dump if your not even there?)
-  Third party display support.
-  Not dependent on a machine with a video slot.

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As a registered owner of two Toaster 3.0/4000 systems I would love to be able
to...

- Avoid having to load the switcher to load lightwave
- Use a Display enhancer in a 2000's video slot since I render to a DPS PAR
- Avoid the buffer dumps when not test rendering
- Render to any 3rd party Video/Zorro video board
- Save money on each new render station
- Build many A500/'040 render stations
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At this moment this is not legally possible, so I can not do any of these
things.  But Lightrave should be a good eye opener to NewTek that there is
a large demand for a stand alone lightwave, a site-license lightwave, a
version of lightwave that doesn't always dump to the Toaster, etc.

This is of course all mute when I can finally get my Screamer!!!

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> As many people will be quick to point out you _DID_ pirate the software.
> What you did was purchase an _upgrade_ to an existing product that was ment
> for current registered owners of that product.  This is the same as buying
> a $100 upgrade to Imagine 2.0 without having ever owned Imagine before, thus
> saving you $200 dolars over the current $299 price of Imagine 2.0. Not legal
> at all.

If Impulse had restricted Imagine to PAL computers only, never sold it
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UPGRADE OFFER and sold it everywhere to the public, wouldn't you want one?
Upgrade packages should go to registered owners, I agree. The company who
makes the product should take care of that, either by using mail to inform
it's users and get it to them, or by asking buyers for proof of
registration. NOT by selling it publicly everywhere. By doing so, they
actually said: "You wanna upgrade package? for ~$700 it's yours. But you
need a Toaster card to run it anyway... Hey! What's that in your hand?
LightRave?! Come back here! HEY! (subscript) Well, we got his money, we
ain't gonna support him, we don't have to mess with those PAL people who
just want us to port LightWave, we're clean and rich!
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NewTek could make a PAL LightWave, maybe with it's own dongle (smaller than
a double video card, please) and I'd be the first to wave the green stuff at
their faces. They didn't, and I too.

One other small thing... In a message by Ivan I ([e-mail])
concerning new NewTek policies and more, he says:

>                                ... and a POSSIBLE LightWave 3.1 update (mostly
> bug fixes & apparently some support for the Screamer, no pending radical
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> the old hardware. Mark claimed that at least unofficially LightRave is there
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home and render while editing on that secret LightRaved A3000 in the
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Well, figured another thing out about AnimTo and AmiLink and the lot...it only
seems to like it if you invoke AnimTo with the option of 'ECGP' instead of the
default (I think) of 'ECST'. This means that you can't do 'live' single
framing since it will only work when it goes to preroll after the Perform
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Just was talking to the newtek folks at imageworld this week-
basically they are bumming about lightrave- but wont do anything about it
they know the hacker who made it- he has done work FOR them as well-
he hasnt done anything illegal, and shutting him down would make them the bad guys-
essentially they dont think that anyone who buys it was going to be a toaster
customer in the first place- so they dont think they are really losing any revenue
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I`ve been following the barrage/counter-barrage regarding WF&L's
LightRave.  I thought some of the initial responses about its
"pirated" nature amusing, as it confirmed my feelings that engineers
should not practice law. As an engineer and business manager, I
to Callahan's Law (A man's got to know his own limitations). However,
as the furror continued the "facts" continued to diverge from
common sense.  Knowing my own limits, I sprang for lunch with our
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First, disassembling an object/executable to determine formats and
interfaces is not copyright infringement.  Direct re-use of substantial
portions would be an infringement, but re-engineering is entirely legal.

> As many people will be quick to point out you _DID_ pirate the software.
> What you did was purchase an _upgrade_ to an existing product that was ment
> for current registered owners of that product.

Wrongo!  What was purchased was a software license.  NewTek and distributors
are selling a software product which, normally, requires a Video Toaster
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board. The board is _not_ a dongle, as some have suggested, but an integral
part of a multi-function product.  Mr. Watters opinion that one does not have the right to purchase Toaster upgrades on the open market is exactly that, his opinion, based on flawed logic. The Imagine analogy is irrelevant.

I heartily agree with Mr Watters regarding our losing sight of the fact that
the Toaster is a diverse, multi-function product.  I have three Amigas, two
toasters, and several thousands of dollars invested. I have convinced my
senior management (we're a very conservative, multi-million dollar system
integrator owned by an ultra-conservative telephone company) to invest in
an in-house video suite based around the Toaster.  NewTek has an excellent
product, which I continue to support.
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While I have no plans to purchase LightRave, attacking them and their
customers as "Pirates" without considering the _facts_ is unprofessional.
We have a sign in our security office, "Keep your words soft and sweet. You
may have to eat them".

Paul Palmer ([e-mail])

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Is LightRave going to work with all future versions of Lightwave?

Is NewTek supporting the product?

-Taka

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> I know, I don't have the card AT ALL, but using the software on another
> computer without the card is identically illegal.

Well atleast you have admitted that what you are doing is "illegal"

So way make a fuss when someone calls you a pirate?

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>'mathmatically' affects where a object is in relation to its keyframe
>keyframe

Well, a techincal description on how tension, continuity and
bias affects object position in space can be found on pages
504 to 507 "Computer Graphics: Principle & Practice" Foley&
VanDam, second edition.

The Lightwave manual is also sufficient, pages 76 to 78 of the
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> One other small thing... In a message by Ivan I ([e-mail])
> concerning new NewTek policies and more, he says:
>
> >                                ... and a POSSIBLE LightWave 3.1 update (mostly
> > bug fixes & apparently some support for the Screamer, no pending radical
> > revisions Mark was prepared to share with us) will also I believe not run on
> > the old hardware. Mark claimed that at least unofficially LightRave is there
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > to thank for the old card's accellerated demise.

>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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> What's that? The L word? You can use it, or not. Don't flame it and then go
> home and render while editing on that secret LightRaved A3000 in the
> closet.
> I know, I don't have the card AT ALL, but using the software on another
> computer without the card is identically illegal.

L word?  Liberal?  I'm not sure what you're referring to here, and indeed I
don't even know that you're referring to me in the rest of the paragraph,
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but just in case, 1) I do not own LightRave and run LightWave only off a
Toaster equipped 3000, and 2) I was trying hard not to be judgemental one
way or another on the product, but merely to disperse some information
given out at the Toaster User's group meeting.

> Nir Hermoni
> [e-mail]

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Does anyone know of good tools that can manipulate ANIMs?  I am
willing to spend money, so commercial programs are ok.

I want to be able to split, join and otherwise edit ANIM files
as a type of on-line editing system.  Ultimately, I want to
take ANIMs of superlow-res test scenes and string them together
into one huge ANIM file that could be played back at 30fps
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Perhaps "The Anim Workshop" could help. I think its being marketed
by Axiom (not sure.) I think Mark mentioned that he used it for
the anims he put on Aminet...

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> I want to be able to split, join and otherwise edit ANIM files
> as a type of on-line editing system.  Ultimately, I want to
> take ANIMs of superlow-res test scenes and string them together
> into one huge ANIM file that could be played back at 30fps
> from disk.  (It could not be in memory since it would be
> something like 5700 frames.)
>
> Any info appreciated.  Thanx,
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>         Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
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I would suggest the Personal Animation Recorder from DPS. It will split
and join anim sections, and as far as I know, it is the only way to play
an animation at a constant 30fps from a hard drive (dedicated Seagate IDE)

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In addition to Stuart's request, I'd like to find a tool that can
turn ANIMs into other animation formats, particularly Quicktime
since I have QT on both Mac and SGI here. But if FLI or MPEG or
even GL or DL, so be it. Has anyone ever seen an ANIM player for the Mac?
Is this part of ToasterLink?

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> Does anyone know of good tools that can manipulate ANIMs?  I am
> willing to spend money, so commercial programs are ok.

> I want to be able to split, join and otherwise edit ANIM files
> as a type of on-line editing system.  Ultimately, I want to
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> into one huge ANIM file that could be played back at 30fps
> from disk.  (It could not be in memory since it would be
> something like 5700 frames.)
>
> Any info appreciated.  Thanx,
>
>        Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
>            "Oh Dear Lord -- the canary exploded!"

While not specifically designed for it, the DPS PAR board provides some
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with the SPLIT, COPY and JOIN commands.  Copy allows you to specify loops
and/or Ping-Pong.

As an example, I split a previously rendered Lightwave animation into three
different ones; added a 3 second image morph (using MorphPlus) to the first segment, reversed it to the origanal image, added the second animation and
then added a third morph/reverse.  The final results were very smooth.  My
only problem was the JOIN command documentation.  I had to talk with to DPS
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David Watters also has the PAR (and others I suspect) and speaks very
highly of it.  I agree whole-heartedly with his opinion of the
product.  It's a tad more expensive then the software solutions, but
the 30 FPS display is superb. Depending on the graphic source, I've seen
synchronization problems on some sequences when I played them back at a
lower frame rate.  Interestingly, this seldom occurs with Lightwave material.
The Space scene from the phonebook worked well at 30, 15, 10 and 7.5 FPS, even
though DPS clearly states the system is optimized for 30 FPS.

I would really like to hear from David Watters, as he has probably has more
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ASDG has some tool they are selling that they bought off another
company.  Presumably, this will work well with ADPro also.

Charlie

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Date: Friday, October 08, 1993 12:00AM

Perhaps "The Anim Workshop" could help. I think its being marketed
by Axiom (not sure.) I think Mark mentioned that he used it for
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>Does anyone know of good tools that can manipulate ANIMs?  I am
>willing to spend money, so commercial programs are ok.
>
>I want to be able to split, join and otherwise edit ANIM files
>as a type of on-line editing system.  Ultimately, I want to
>take ANIMs of superlow-res test scenes and string them together
>into one huge ANIM file that could be played back at 30fps
>from disk.  (It could not be in memory since it would be
>something like 5700 frames.)

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    The old Aegis program "ANIMagic" will perform all these
    functions.  However, you may have a very difficult time
    finding it.  (I even own a copy, and can't find it!)

    However, the interface was incredibly freeking cryptic.

    Seeing as how you probably were rather tight w/Aegis, maybe
    you know the guy who wrote ANIMagic, at Sparta (?).

    Otherwise, looks like ADPro and FRED.
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>Any info appreciated.  Thanx,
>
>                Stuart Ferguson         ([e-mail])
>                        "Oh Dear Lord -- the canary exploded!"

    Too bad we don't have something like "Video Fusion" for
    the Mac & QTime.

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  [e-mail] (Matthew Hupert)  writes:


> Just was talking to the newtek folks at imageworld this week-
> basically they are bumming about lightrave- but wont do anything about it
> they know the hacker who made it- he has done work FOR them as well-
> he hasnt done anything illegal, and shutting him down would make them the
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This is amazing... Instead of worrying about being so nice to a former
employee that is profiting from Newtek developed technology, and probably at
their expense, I think they ought to give a little more "slack" to those who
have purchased their product legitimately.

Personal case in point:
I decide that the current 3D software that I'm using is woefully inadequate
to fulfill the needs of a very large 3D/interactive project we've just
landed. I recommend that our company purchase 2 complete Toaster 4000
systems based upon my research and talking to other professional animators.
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I have about 4 weeks to produce 150+ seconds of single framed
animation. Never used a toaster or lightwave before, and have never used a
toaster in a single frame recording environment before. Bottow line is, I
have one freak'in tight deadline... but the client (Hughes Aircraft) is
willing to pay the big bucks. I begin to feel comfortable with Lightwave
almost right away, and am amazed at how intuitive and
sophisticated Lightwave is. (It reminds me of my earlier experiences with
Wavefront and Alias) Just when things are going really well, and the
deadline is starting to look like a piece of cake, disaster strikes...
One of the toasters craps out. I try swapping hardware all over the place in
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at fault. (the problem always follows the board) I call NewTek and get put
off for several days, with the promise that someone will call back and
resolve the situation very soon. For a while, the faulty board operates
intermittently, and will often work for 4-6 hours before going "black".
I an starting to get behind schedule, and the toaster finally craps out
totally. On the next call, I ask to speak with the head of technical
support. This guy turns out to be a real "head" (exactly what kind, I won't
say). When I tell him the (Amiga) screen was going "black" intermittently,
he insists that a toaster "can't" fail that way. He says that the problem
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toaster card from machine to machine, and his response is basically that the
card cannot possibly be at fault and they won't ship me out a replacement
without a probable 2-week delay to "examine" the board he says can't be bad.
(the project dealine was LESS than 2 weeks away at this point)
I tell that guy that we may not be ILM, or George Lucas, but that our client
has a million dollar exhibit built around our interactive 3D system and that
we don't have the time to piss around with companies who won't support their
customers. I also explain that I've been doing this stuff for at least 7
years, and that I've been technically involved with video and digital imaging
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for much longer than that. He continues to insist that I am wrong
about the toaster being bad, but that he'll send a new one just to get us
off his back (and to prove me wrong).
Well, you can just about guess the ending. The new toaster arrives via
overnight shipment the next morning. It works fine, and the "bad" one really
is "bad". We ship the defective unit back to them right away, but never
heard another thing from them.
The project gets done, and the client is very happy, but it doesn't come
without a lot more 18-20 hour marathon animation sessions than would have
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I'm very impressed with the 4000 toaster, but as far as NewTek and their
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Bruce T. Ritchies asks:
>     I have an administrator who would be a lot more supportive if I
>could transfer still Toaster images, either from Toasterpaint or
>Framestore onto either a Mac or PC. I know such is possibile, but what
>is the Best way, and what is the Cheapest way? A-Max and an outboard
>drive (could it be a Bernoulli?)? An Ethernet card and software? A
>Bridgeboard?
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1)    The absolute BEST way would be to get Toasterlink, the Mac
    front end for the Toaster.  Extremely transparent.  Pretty
    silly IMHO.

2)    You may also connect an Amiga to any other computer via a
    null-modem (a serial cable).  Use BBS s/w to transfer.

3)    Use your university's computer system as a "data-garage": upload
    pics to it, download to the PCs and Macs as needed.  Eliminates
    sneaker-net.
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4)    Use CrossDOS or equivalent to format low-density IBM disks in
    the Amiga, sneaker-net them to PCs or PC-format-reading Macs.

5)    Connect via Ethernet.  ASDG can supply you w/s/w, and CBM can
    provide you w/hardware.

6)    AMAXX-II+  (the + is important) would allow you to swap Syquest
    cartridges between the Amiga and a Mac.

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    Is that enough ways?

>     brucer
>        Bruce T. Ritchie                ([e-mail])
>        Electronic Media Coordinator    ([e-mail])
>        Media Services, Boyd Hall
>        Plymouth State College
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>In addition to Stuart's request, I'd like to find a tool that
>can turn ANIMs into other animation formats, particularly
>Quicktime since I have QT on both Mac and SGI here. But if FLI
>or MPEG or even GL or DL, so be it. Has anyone ever seen an
>ANIM player for the Mac? Is this part of ToasterLink?

ImageFX can save into .FLC (Flick) format animations as well as the Amiga's
ANIM 5/7 formats.

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[e-mail] (Arthur Palmer) writes:
> First, disassembling an object/executable to determine formats and
> interfaces is not copyright infringement.  Direct re-use of substantial

It may not be "copyright infringement," but that doesn't mean it
might not be illegal, and neither does it mean that W&F's actions
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It may be a violation of Newtek's license.  And of course NewTek's
shrinkwrap license may not be stand up, either.  All of these
principles are up for debate between any two teams of lawyers who can
find a judge.  Your lawyer should've told you that, but really, you
only bought him lunch.

> interfaces is not copyright infringement.  Direct re-use of substantial
> portions would be an infringement, but re-engineering is entirely legal.

You don't know how LightRave works, how it was developed, or whether
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it "re-uses" portions of the Toaster code.  This is all speculation.

> Wrongo!  What was purchased was a software license.  NewTek and
> distributors are selling a software product which, normally, requires
> a Video Toaster board. The board is _not_ a dongle, as some have

Are you just splitting hairs?  The Toaster card certainly functions
as a dongle.  NewTek likes to release products that are protected by
hardware.  And since when does "upgrade" equal "license"?  If I buy
Product X, I get one license.  If I buy an "upgrade" to it, I don't
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have two licenses, I have one license and the latest software.

If NewTek claims that the "license" to the Toaster software is only
sold with the Toaster card itself, and the subsequent software
"upgrades" were only to be made available to Toaster card owners
(that is, license owners), and they reasonably expected that their
hardware was protected by their dongle to prevent non-license owners
from purchasing upgrades, and they can show LightRave circumvented
that protection and lead to piracy of their product, I think they've
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The law has had a tough time keeping up with the concepts regarding
software, hardware, disassembly, licenses, look-and-feel, etc. much
less concepts like "upgrade."  In the most general sense, the law has
tried to protect the efforts of creators, and to prevent others from
usurping those efforts.

> customers as "Pirates" without considering the _facts_ is unprofessional.

I've spoken with W&F's programmer and the company president.  They
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both admitted that they realized that LightRave would lead to people
pirating NewTek's software, but they didn't care.  The best they could
muster was that "Newtek's dealers are really upset with them, and
maybe this will force Newtek to release a standalone version."

When I asked why LightRave includes a dongle, they had no answer.
Presumably, they went to great lengths to try to protect their own
software, but they didn't have the same regard for NewTek's software.
Gee, that's nice.  A very professional, ethical, friendly attitude.
We've gone from a $1000 dongle to a $600 dongle.
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[e-mail] (Taka Torimoto) writes:
> Is LightRave going to work with all future versions of Lightwave?
> Is NewTek supporting the product?

I predict it certainly won't, out of the box.  After every Toaster
upgrade, you'll need to wait and see if W&F is still around, and then
if and when they can reverse engineer the roadblocks that NewTek
installed to prevent it from working.  And then I'm sure they'll
charge you for the privilege.
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> > [e-mail] (Matthew Hupert) writes:
> > they know the hacker who made it- he has done work FOR them as well-
> > he hasnt done anything illegal, and shutting him down would make them the
> > bad guys-
>
> "Greg Granville"  <[e-mail]> writes:
> This is amazing... Instead of worrying about being so nice to a former
> employee that is profiting from Newtek developed technology, and probably at
...
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> One of the toasters craps out. I try swapping hardware all over the place in
...
> Well, you can just about guess the ending. The new toaster arrives via
> overnight shipment the next morning. It works fine, and the "bad" one really

LightRave "hacker" Jason Andreas has never worked for NewTek.

And what's your point about this hardware problem?  They sent you a
new board overnight, after giving you some time to see if you could
diagnose the problem (and speaking as someone who's done a lot of
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problem created by the customer).  You had a "freak'in tight
deadline."  If your hard disk, tape deck, or motherboard failed, what
kind of turn-around could you expect?  And how much would it cost
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Newtek makes it official... the next Toaster updates will only be supported
by the Toaster 4000 hardware. You will need the Toaster 4000 for the next
Lightwave upgrade! My dealer just got the official notice in the mail on
Thursday 10-7-93.

They have not announced any other upgrade paths. As far as I know the only
upgrade path available now is $1200 for both 3.0 s/w and upgrade your old
2000 Toaster hardware to the new Toaster 4000. This screws us that have
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only 3.0 upgrade instead. And what about those of us that used the double-up
upgrade. Now our 2000 Toasters in our trusty 2000's will not be supported.
I wish I knew about this before I did the upgrade.

On Monday we should call Newtek and ask whats up?? Do we the faithful who
have already payed our local dealer the $800 for 3.0 have to shell out
another $1200 to Newtek for the hardware upgrade and software we already own?
I feel that $200 for the hardware upgrade itself would be more realistic.
(The local dealers and distributors got some profits from the 3.0 software.)

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I have two registered Toaster systems.  I have been using the new
LightWave/Modelor for a few weeks now (Nice stuff!).  I've been keeping notes
and will send Allen and Stuart some feedback soon.

This message is just to note that there are a few things LightRave makes
possible, from what I've read, that would be nice to have built-in to
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2) The ability to run LightWave without firing up the switcher software.

3) Direct display of rendered images on 3rd party workstation resolution
graphics cards (spectrum, retina, etc).

I'd also like to be able to render a preview directly from modelor.  When you
export to LightWave and then switch out of modelor to render a preview, you
lose the ability to undo your last change.  Multiple undo in modelor would be
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As a follow up to Greg Grainvilles ranting of Newtek's Tech Support, I agree
whole heartedly--it SUCKS.  I work for a major cable operator and we use
Toasters for On-Air graphics as well as animation.  When our TWO (of six)
Toasters crapped out we had to wait about a month to even get a response
from the idiots in the Tech Support.  They replaced one of the Toaster's and
the other was sent back supposedly nothing was wrong with it--WRONG--it
didn't work worth a #@*!! either... So after another 2 weeks Newtek decides
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The point of the story is it took 6 weeks or so to get our hardware fixed
when it should have maybe taken 6 days (an that's a stretch!)  I'm sure
they realize that they are not going to really service the boards so why
don't they just send a replacement out immediately and if they really want
to test and fix the darn things call that replacement card a LOANER.  Every
other major video-computer manufacturer (Chryon, Quanta, Wavefront, etc.)
does this sort of thing and its not just for a stupid card, its for an
entire system.  If Newtek wants respect from the industry that should support
the industry that keeps them in business and NOT JUST SUPPORT HOLLYWOOD!!!!

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Hi,
    I have a 27 meg anim that was made by Rend24 from LW frames.  What I
need to do is play that anim at a decent speed and put it to tape.(20+ fps)
It's a proof for a client's project.  I'v tried Rtap and Biganim.  Neither of
them is fast enough, and Biganim is really screwy.  There are all these lines
on the screen.
    Anyway, I really need a cheep/free anim player that can play a lores
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    Does any one know of one?
    BTW, I have an Amiga 2000 w/ GVP040 + 16megs Ram.
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    I guess I could go get myself 4 of those 16meg simms.  But that
wouldn't be cheep or free.


    The second part of the message is to Mark Tompson.  I don't know his
address but I figured that he reads this list.
    Hey Mark,
    I just saw your wind mill and Creature anim.  HOLY @%$#%!  How did you
do the grass????  Pleeeease tell me.  I know you said you wrote an artical for
a magazine but I coudn't find it.  You don't have to give me a tutorial or
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    And also, I would be really interesed in knowing what kind of texture
settings you used for the creature.  It looked really good too.

Well that's all.

Thanks.


Mike Jiang
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Re: Your problem with Unify creating bum objects.

Yes, I would probably like to get the example objects, but perhaps
you can answer a few questions first.  What message do you get from
LW or Modeler when you try to load this object?  Also, have you
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    - Stuart

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Lightrave debate - I conclude

 From David Watters:

> Warm and Fuzzy are now getting a taste of their own medicine it would seem.
> A friend of mine that owns a single Amiga/Toaster setup and fits NewTek's
> description of a "Toaster Punk" downloaded a de-dongled Lightrave.  As it
> turns out, this thing started circulating almost instantaneously after being
> released.

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Well, OK. Try protecting software with a dongle, and see what happens...

In order to use LightWave, I did everything I could do, legally as
possible. Until NewTek come out with a - PAL TOASTER/PAL STANDALONE
LIGHTWAVE/IMAGINE 3.0 ( Impulse, I know, but it seems NewTek could make it
faster...) I will use what I can. I have an OpalVision, so I don't plan to
get rid of it and buy a video-slot-eater toaster/dongle of no use to me.

> There are some very attractive things about what I saw in Lightrave.
> -  No buffer dumping during a render. (Why dump if your not even there?)
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> -  Third party display support.
> -  Not dependent on a machine with a video slot.

As you said, David, there are good (attractive) things about LightRave, too.
NewTek should consider some of these features sometime, and, may I mention
it one more time, ***___P A L___***.

 From Matthew Hupert ( [e-mail] ):

> Just was talking to the newtek folks at imageworld this week-
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> they know the hacker who made it- he has done work FOR them as well-
> he hasnt done anything illegal, and shutting him down would make them the bad guys-
> essentially they dont think that anyone who buys it was going to be a toaster
> customer in the first place- so they dont think they are really losing any revenue
> peace

That's right. The pirates would pirate, the legitimate owners would BUY -
If they can - what they need.

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 From Ivan Ivanick:

> L word?  Liberal?  I'm not sure what you're referring to here, and indeed I
> don't even know that you're referring to me in the rest of the paragraph,
> but just in case, 1) I do not own LightRave and run LightWave only off a
> Toaster equipped 3000, and 2) I was trying hard not to be judgemental one
> way or another on the product, but merely to disperse some information
> given out at the Toaster User's group meeting.

I just used the information you dispersed, and did not mean in any way to
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LightRave (shhhhh... :)

Nir Hermoni
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There is a program on CompuServe called TWIN.  There is a PC and Amiga
version.  It lets you transfer files over the parallel port.  It's
pretty fast.  Much faster than a serial connection or floppy drive.
It's also very cheap! <g>

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I'm working on recreating a logo that is a five pointed star with the
top point divided in two and shaped like a flame.  I'm trying to
approximate the curves (s-curves).  I'm having trouble making the
curves even and smooth.  I've read about and played with the curve
function and to date haven't gotten a good curve.  What I've done is
made a curve, using a lo-res version as a template.  Then, in order
to get many more points along the curve, I skin it along with another
curve or polygon.  This inserts many more points along the curve
line.  I originally thought that subdivide might work, but it
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connect them to form a polygon.  But my curves don't appear to be any
smoother than if I create them manually. Does anyone have any better
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> Perhaps "The Anim Workshop" could help.  Mark mentioned that he used it for
> the anims he put on Aminet...

Yes, that is what I used to assemble the 2700 frame Fred Floaty anim. I
originally tried using the animation concatonation arexx scripts supplied
with ADPro (or MorphPlus), but a bug prevented it from working beyond
something like 1250 frames. Anim Workshop handled the task with ease. I
created sub-anims with Rend24 (Anim Workshop could have done this as well),
and then AW trivially pasted them together.
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>     The second part of the message is to Mark Thompson.
>     I just saw your wind mill and Creature anim.  HOLY @%$#%! How did you
> do the grass???  Pleeeease tell me. I know you said you wrote an artical for
> a magazine but I coudn't find it.  You don't have to give me a tutorial or
> anything, but just basically how you did the grass.

The magazine that describes the technique hasn't hit the streets yet. It is
called LightWave Pro and is published by the Video Toaster User people. It
should be out shortly. The other magazine, Amiga Video/Graphics seems to have
gone belly-up. But for a quick one sentance summary, the grass is a jittered
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array of 2D particles that has been textured, shadow mapped, and displacement
mapped. The article I wrote is about the wonders of displacement mapping.

>     And also, I would be really interesed in knowing what kind of texture
> settings you used for the creature.  It looked really good too.

Lets see....bumps, diffuse, and color were all modulated (mostly with fractal
noise). But there is a lot of polygonal surface definition as well (its quite
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>   I have an animation that the seg.1,2 and 3 don't modify (it's a car that
> pass from the left to the righ). Only the seg.4 (medium res) modifies. Ques-
> tion : Why the LW has to calculate the segs. 1,2 and 3 if they don't modify?
> If the camera don't moves and the lights don't moves and no texture velocity,
> why calculate it again?

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changes in lighting, shadows, or reflections in the other segments. On top
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I've had very good results with curvesin LW3. I first make 3 points,
select them and convert them to a curve, ctrl+p. I use the points as
control points for the curve. I then Freeze, ctrl+d, the curve into a
polygon. LW automagically fills in the interpolated points of the
smoothed curve! (You can define the number of points inbtn the control
points by the Curve Div. in the Obj/opts menu. I use the coarse.)

If needed you can remove the segments and then join the curve's points
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In your case, you might want the Start CP, and End CP for smoother front
ends. This allows you have a bend at the starting and end points of the
curve. (This places control points outside the start of the curve.)

One question I have is there a way to define the bias, tension etc of the
control points in the modeler?

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  [e-mail] (Jerry Thompson)  writes:

> There is a program on CompuServe called TWIN.  There is a PC and Amiga
> version.  It lets you transfer files over the parallel port.  It's
> pretty fast.  Much faster than a serial connection or floppy drive.
> It's also very cheap! <g>
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I've used a SERIAL version of TWIN (called TwinExpress) to move framestores
from rendering stations to the recording station, but it tends to be a
little tedious when you have > 100meg of framestores. The serial version
maxes out at about 43K per second. Anybody know how fast the parallel
version can move files? Also, does anyone know an anonymous ftp site that
has it? I think I originally got TwinExpress from wuarchive.wustl.edu.

I probably should just get two E-net boards, but at their current price,
I'll probably just hold off for awhile. (Besides, the only one that seems to
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I've been dealing with a way to get smooth curves and judging from
the small number of responses I got, this is 1)too simple to bother
to answer or 2)nobody does what I do the way I do it.  But just for
the sake of sharing information I'll explain what I eventually did. I
have a logo with several s-curves in it.  The curves are not
symetrical or even.  I was having trouble getting a lot of evenly
spaced points along these curves, even with the curve function.  What
I found that worked very well was to use my lo-res logo in a
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found a segment that perfectly matched as much of the curve in the
b.g. as possible. Then I cut away the parts of the disk I didn't
need. Then I moved to another layer, created another disk and
repeated the process on another part of the curve. I used a disk with
100 segments and the beauty of the process is that where the curve is
small and tight the disk I used was small and therefore the points
were closely spaced.  The parts of the curve that were not so tight
were matched by a larger disk and the points are spaced further
apart. The points are perfectly spaced because the disk maintains the
spacing.  Then I combined all the layers and made them into a
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on straight sections, but that was a piece of cake compared to the
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>It may not be "copyright infringement," but that doesn't mean it
>might not be illegal, and neither does it mean that W&F's actions
>will cause or survive legal judgements.
>
>It may be a violation of Newtek's license.  And of course NewTek's
>shrinkwrap license may not be stand up, either.  All of these
>principles are up for debate between any two teams of lawyers who can
>find a judge.  Your lawyer should've told you that, but really, you
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What's the point in all that "discussion"???
Mr. A, what are you afraid of? If Newtek wins a presumed-about-to-be-done
judgement, they will take the W&FL product out of the shelves. Period.
What do you think, they'll get in your house and steal your soft+dongle??

And, mr. B, what do you intend to do? Force Newtek to take legal actions
to assure W&FL product dies?? Come on, if Newtek don't care, and think
LightRave owners are not potential Toaster owners, who are we to discuss
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they should bother making a stand-alone Lightwave version, there'll ever
be a market for it, and prohibiting LightRave will only expand its black
(pirate) marketing, so that's no solution, IMHO.

I personally have LightRave, it gives me stuff the Toaster don't, and that
is the real LAW of the game. You need it. You buy it. Period.
Now I can use my video slot with a video board much more suited for my needs,
WITH RGB/Composite output (and overall much more powerfull), the
Impact Vision 24, and view LW's output just as the Toaster used to do for
me. I can render without framebuffer output. Now I can easily run LW in Mode
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So, WHAT'S THE POINT? Let's be reasonable and get back to LW discussion, ok?

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Was wondering if anyone else had noticed a rendering error problem using
algorithmic textures such as Grid or Fractal Noise as a luminous map
with additive turned on.  What I have experienced occasionally is broken
lines of pixels running across the width (left to right across the screen)
of the object surface.  It is a really nasty effect and can basically ruin
a perfectly good frame of animtion.  If anyone would like to see a frame or th
object in question (especially if Allen or Stuart are interested), just send
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Newtek makes it official... the next Toaster updates will only be supported
by the Toaster 4000 hardware. You will need the Toaster 4000 for the next
Lightwave upgrade! My dealer just got the official notice in the mail on
Thursday 10-7-93.

They have not announced any other upgrade paths. As far as I know the only
upgrade path available now is $1200 for both 3.0 s/w and upgrade your old
2000 Toaster hardware to the new Toaster 4000. This screws us that have
previously chosen to not upgrade to the Toaster 4000 hardware and bought the
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upgrade. Now our 2000 Toasters in our trusty 2000's will not be supported.
I wish I knew about this before I did the upgrade.

*** I wish I knew about this before I bought the stinking Toaster ***


On Monday we should call Newtek and ask whats up?? Do we the faithful who
have already payed our local dealer the $800 for 3.0 have to shell out
another $1200 to Newtek for the hardware upgrade and software we already own?
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> I personally have LightRave, it gives me stuff the Toaster don't, and that
> is the real LAW of the game. You need it. You buy it. Period.

Fine... your allowed to own LighRave... however your not allowed to own
Lightwave or the 3.0 software upgrade without the Toaster.

> So, WHAT'S THE POINT? Let's be reasonable and get back to LW discussion, ok?

No it's not okay, because Lightwave users and Lightwave developers don't
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I have already learned from important people that this product _may_ have
an effect on Lightwave's future on the Amiga and that is a sad thought.

"WHAT'S THE POINT?"

The point is buy the Toaster to get Lightwave, or don't buy the Toaster and
not have Lightwave... Period.

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Has anyone out had success using PAR and OPUS? I tried to set up a drive
button when I click on it there is the most spectacular crash. Yes, I have
PAR loaded and the volume is correct from the assign.

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> Can I butt in here for a moment? I've been following this discussion as
> I'm currently considering ditching the Amiga altogether and moving over
> to the Mac. The reason? (Among others) Just that NewTek refuses to release
> a PAL version of the Toaster or Lightwave. If it did, I'd put up with
> Commodore's dodgy corporate future as the Toaster is such a good deal (for
> NTSC people). I briefly thought about using LightRave, but I'm not comfotable > using pirated goods, and NewTek recent announcement has sealed LightRave's
> coffin, as far as I'm concerned.

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Nobody that I noticed has ever said it was illegal to buy LightRave.  It
is simply a matter of you need to buy the Toaster as well, not pirate Lightwave.

And if it's money your concerned about, Lightwave is more than worth the
$2000 price tag of the Toaster.

Think of the two as a $2600 PAL Toaster/Lightwave.

Don't get me wrong, I wish there was a PAL Toaster.  If anything it would
make my Email and News smaller.  I also wish Lightwave was available as a
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> Was wondering if anyone else had noticed a rendering error problem using
> algorithmic textures such as Grid or Fractal Noise as a luminous map
> with additive turned on.  What I have experienced occasionally is broken
> lines of pixels running across the width (left to right across the screen)
> of the object surface.

This sounds like the rendering error that is produced when two parallel
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It's soup!

The Nashua NH area LightWave user's group will be meeting the second Tuesday of
every month.  Start time is 7pm and stops when everyone leaves or we are kicked
out.  It will be held at System Eyes computer store, where they have a few
Toaster-equipped systems plus a big screen TV with VHS player.

System Eyes is in Amherst (sp?) on route 101A in Greystone Plaza across from a
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The format of the meetings is an informal chat.  The discussion will focus on
using LightWave, so owners or owner-might-wanna-bes should come.  We'll share
advice, questions, tips, and news.  Please bring samples of your work and
work-in-progress, either on disk or video tape.  If you need help, showing what
you've done is more helpful than mere verbal descriptions.

Our meeting last night was a lot of fun and educational.  The next meeting will
be November 9th, and the one after that December 14th.

This will be my last broadcast of this info to this list, but I wanted to make
sure all potential comers knew our plans.

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'[e-mail]' writes:

>Was wondering if anyone else had noticed a rendering error problem using
>algorithmic textures such as Grid or Fractal Noise as a luminous map
>with additive turned on.  What I have experienced occasionally is broken
>lines of pixels running across the width (left to right across the screen)
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>a perfectly good frame of animtion.  If anyone would like to see a frame or th
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>me mail.

It's a fairly common error in rendering software which I was sort of
disappointed to see occurring in Lightwave. The problem is this:

Lightwave is a scanline renderer, which means that it renders polygons
by finding the intersection of the current scanline with edges of all
polygons incident with that scanline.

Imagine you are rending this polygon on the scanline indicated by '*****':
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                          23
                         2 3
                        2  3
                       2   3
                ******************
                     2     3
                    2      3
                     1     3
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                      1    3
                       1   3
                        1  3
                         1 3
                          13

Ignore textures for the moment, and let's think about the color of the
polygon. Depending upon whether you are doing phong or gouraud shading,
something like the following happens: the color of the polygon at point
2* is sampled (by interpolating the color specified at the corners of
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colors from the corners of edges 2,3 and 1,3. Then the
scanline is drawn across the polygon, starting at 2* and going to 3*,
smoothly shifting from the color at 2* to the color at 3*.

What happens is more complex when you add lights and so on, but that's
the basic process. (using gouraud shading... obviously phong etc are
more complex but they basically have to do with calculating light
reflection values across the scanline for each pixel instead of twice
for the whole scanline).
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But now think about the process of using a procedural texture map.
For every pixel along the line, the color to use (modulo lights, bumps,
etc) is calculated using a function (thus 'procedural' map) which
provides a color value given x and y (and perhaps z information....
imagine a 3-D brick or wood texture which can be sliced and you've
got an idea of what a 3D procedural texture looks like... lightwave
doesn't do this). (in 2.0 anyways).

The artifact that you're seeing comes up in a polygon like this:
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                     23           6
                     2 3         56
                     2  3       5 6
                     2   3     5  6
              *************************   a
                     2     3 5    6
                     2      3     6
              *************************   b
                     2            6
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                     2            6
                     2            6
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Scanline a intersects edges 2 and 3, and also 5 and 6, and
is able to draw smoothly across the open spaces without error.
Between scanlines a and b, however, the right-hand edge changes
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to 6; so scanline b runs between edge 2 and 6; the
scanline is suddenly sampling across a greater distance.
The discontinuity is what causes the sampling error.

You're thinking, "what difference does it make which edges are
being used, since the function used by the procedural texture
is 'smooth' to begin with?". You're right: with careful
interpolation, the function being used wouldn't reveal any
artifacts like this, since in essence all we're doing by
sampling it like this is squashing the polygon into a new
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shape, using it like a cookie cutter on the 2-D image produced
by the function for the procedural texture, then squashing
the polygon back into shape and printing it on the screen.

The problem is that the discontinuities in the polygon edges
cause the procedural function to be sampled in a *slightly*
different place from the previous scanlines... but this results
in pixels that are a noticeably different color from the
pixels on the scanline above, the whole way across the polygon.
This is the line that you are seeing.
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The image is continuous again after that (at least until the next
awkward polygon intersection), because there are no more
discontinuities in the left/right edge pairs.

To imagine how this error could occur, go back to the description
of how color is handled in a simple gouraud model above. In
scanline a, the colors will range smoothly from 2's color to 3's
color; but in scanline b they will range smoothly from 2's color
to *6*'s color. On a line-by-line basis they will look correct;
but when looking at the polygon, you see a sudden discontinuity.
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As I said, I was disappointed to see this bug crop up in
Lightwave. A solution to this problem (with a lot of great
procedural texture filtering algorithms, as well as MIPmapping
and other antialiasing techniques (and shadow mapping, now that
I think about it) can be found in Robert Lansdale's Master's
thesis (dynamic graphics project, university of Toronto, 1991??)...
If Alan is reading this, I might suggest that he peek
into it for help with solving this problem... there's a lot
of terrific material in it.
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Actually, if Alan *is* reading this,

could I underline the need for particle systems in the next rev?
I'm extremely impressed with what you've done with lightwave. bravo!

hope this helps

---Mike
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W> Fine... your allowed to own LighRave... however your not allowed to own
W> Lightwave or the 3.0 software upgrade without the Toaster.

If you're "not allowed to own LW or the 3.0 software without the Toaster"
why does Newtek sell it?  You're saying Newtek's breaking the law selling
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W> I have already learned from important people that this product _may_ have
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    The development of Lightwave will hardly grind to a halt because someone
made a hack to the program.  I mean all Newtek has to do is change the program
in a few places, and blam-OOO the hack no longer works.  That means that the hack
will always be several steps behind the latest and greatest version of lightwave.
    If it does create problems, (I know this one will not sit well with the
Amiga heads) there are better systems for the program.  The PowerPC or the INDY
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those numbers to both the PowerPC or the INDY.  The Indy is about double the price
of the PowerPC and the Toaster station, but the interface '3D workspace' is beyond
or could be way beyond other systems.  I mean Newtek has already ported the code
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Could someone tell me how to attach lights to an object so when the object
moves lights move with it? thank you in advance...

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> Has anyone out had success using PAR and OPUS? I tried to set up a drive
> button when I click on it there is the most spectacular crash. Yes, I have
> PAR loaded and the volume is correct from the assign.

Yes I have used it.  I used it to copy all the anims on to Optical disk for
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>Fine... your allowed to own LighRave... however your not allowed to own
>Lightwave or the 3.0 software upgrade without the Toaster.

Now listen David, your just pissed off because you had to pay
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And you feel that everyone should pay as much as you did.

Well David not everyone can afford a toaster. especially if its
just lightwave that you want.

As a fellow Toaster owner I pose you with this question.
If you had six amigas like me, and only 2 toasters and a
heavy 3D workload, wouldn't you run out and buy 4 Lightraves
just to get the job done???????

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B; Dont get much 3D work.

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               DAVID BE REAL. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD!!!

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What's the easiest way to construct an outline for later lathing or extrusion
that consists of _both_ curves and straight line segments?  I find myself
wishing for an interface line provector has where you can drag lines and make
any line a curve as you go, easily creating complex outlines that contain both
straight lines and curves.

Any tips on how best to do this in modelor would be appreciated.

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>Now listen David, your just pissed off because you had to pay
>so much for Lightwave and now it seems to be available cheeper.
>And you feel that everyone should pay as much as you did.
>
>Well David not everyone can afford a toaster. especially if its
>just lightwave that you want.
>

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being pirated by people who have the same attitude as you...

>As a fellow Toaster owner I pose you with this question.
>If you had six amigas like me, and only 2 toasters and a
>heavy 3D workload, wouldn't you run out and buy 4 Lightraves
>just to get the job done???????
>If your answer is no then you either
>

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each, thats $1200, plus 4 Video-Toaster Upgrades for $600 Each (If you can
find that many copies), that brings your expense to $3600..  No Id bet that
you assume that since you own 2 toaster you have the right to use them on as
many CPU's as you want at the same time... errrrrrrrrr  "Im sorry you've all
overbid"

>So in closeing
>               DAVID BE REAL. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD!!!
>
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people who dont deserve to be stolen from.   I really dont think Lightrave
will hurt future development for lightwave, and newtek does have an answer to
multi-toaster toasting..  its called the screamer.  Newtek never ment for
Lightwave to sold seperatly, they said so themselves.

-Scott


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I sent this message earlier but guess it got lost. So again...


It seems as though I am always using curves. I believe that it is really
powerful.

Curves work in ONLY the modeler. They don't exist when you export them to
Layout. You can lathe/extrude them in the modeler and this turns them into
polys (within the definition given in Objecst/Options). I don't use them
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Say if you want a curve on the top of a square, flat poly. A quick summary
of what I would do is define the curve (the top 2 points with a curve)
then Freeze, ctrl-d, Remove (segments) (Polygon/Remove), make the
remaining 2 points for the bottom corners, select all points and make
poly, p. If you needed a cube you can then extrude it. This is the way I
tend to work with all my complex objects in LW.

Curves are nice cuz they define only the points you need for the smoothing
of the curved sections. This means that you will not get equal spaced
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points throughout the curve wasting some points, but efficiently placed
points in the parts of the curve that need to be defined.

If I need a smoother curve I will make it a poly, Triple it, and then
Smooth poly. After that I Remove segments and delete the points not needed
and then redefine my poly.

BTW You need atleast 3 points for a simple (bell) curve, 4 for a sine
curve, and so on. The more control points in the curve the finer the curve
cuz more will be placed inbetween the control according to the definition
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Hope that helps,

Tim [e-mail]

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Can anyone give me any advice on:
        1.) Creating cloud objects
        2.) Creating and/or generating textures to simulate cloud movement

I need the cloud objects for a 3D weather animation where fronts, winds and
weather patterns will be displayed in a transparent,three-dimensional box.
In one animation, an aircraft will fly through and around the weather
patterns. A companion animation will be a similar view, but from the
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While the textures will be used for the above objects, I also need to
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tried the cloud texture from the SpaceFighter example, using various level
of transparency, without success.  I also tried fractal noise/transparency.
(The radius of the earth sphere is 7800 km, using a teselated sphere, with
the atmosphere being a similar sphere with a radius of 7900. Both are
rotating at the same rate.)  The optimum would be a pattern which simulates
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I've generated a short looping animation using actual IR imagery from a
GOES  satellite, so I have some good examples of cloud movements from
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preferably superior) as the B/W and fales color satellite shots.

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Just received my complimentary premiere issue of Lightwave PRO.
Indepth articles on Displacement mapping, bones, and pool water !
Including, from Mark Thompson, an explanation on how to do that
awesome waving grass from windmill.anim !

I like it ! The format is rough, tho with a nice color inset to
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Check it out !

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It seems as though I am always using curves. I believe that it is really
powerful.

Curves work in ONLY the modeler. They don't exist when you export them to
Layout. You can lathe/extrude them in the modeler and this turns them into
polys (within the definition given in Objecst/Options). I don't use them
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remaining 2 points for the bottom corners, select all points and make
poly, p. If you needed a cube you can then extrude it. This is the way I
tend to work with all my complex objects in LW.

Curves are nice cuz they define only the points you need for the smoothing
of the curved sections. This means that you will not get equal spaced
points throughout the curve wasting some points, but efficiently placed
points in the parts of the curve that need to be defined.
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If I need a smoother curve I will make it a poly, Triple it, and then
Smooth poly. After that I Remove segments and delete the points not needed
and then redefine my poly.

BTW You need atleast 3 points for a simple (bell) curve, 4 for a sine
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> Was wondering if anyone else had noticed a rendering error problem using
> algorithmic textures such as Grid or Fractal Noise as a luminous map
> with additive turned on.  What I have experienced occasionally is broken
> lines of pixels running across the width (left to right across the screen)
> of the object surface.  It is a really nasty effect and can basically ruin
> a perfectly good frame of animtion.  If anyone would like to see a frame or th
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  I think we ran into this in one of our animations. We couldn't pin down
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polygons. I'd like to see your image to see if it's the same thing. Perhaps
if we had a couple of confirmed instances of the bug, (with sample scene files)
Allen might be able to nail it.

> Thanks.
> Chris Minshall
> Heifner Communications Inc.

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The following is up for grabs:

Amiga 2000
RCS Fusion 40 (Lightwave runs faster than on a CBM 4000... FAST!)
Video Toaster (rev 2.0, manuals, etc)
1084 Monitor  (stereo Audio)
9 Megs RAM
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send a free copy to anyone in the US and Canada who requests one. Voice
phone is 505-982-3532 and fax is 505-820-6929.  3D Artist is a slick
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After experiencing several brown-outs and the like and having big
animations stop rendering because of power outages, I was wondering if
the following is possible.  Could an Arexx script be written that
would be executed after a cold boot, ie. a power outage, that would
count the number of frames rendered in a specific directory, add 1 to
that number, recall a scene file, reset the scene to render the
remaining frames and save us all a lot of grief?  I am not Arexx
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> Could an Arexx script be written that
> would be executed after a cold boot, ie. a power outage, that would
> count the number of frames rendered in a specific directory, add 1 to
> that number, recall a scene file, reset the scene to render the
> remaining frames and save us all a lot of grief?

Yes.

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Hi all,

I have not heard anything from this list in several months so I don't know if
it has died or if I have lost contact somehow.  So, this is a test to see if
anyone is still out there and to cross post a question I also put up on UseNet
(c.a.graphics).  If you have an answer, a direct E-mail response in addition to
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I need to be able to convert Postscript objects, created with programs like
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The objects in question at the moment are too detailed and complex to
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Apparently LW V3.0 accepts Postscript fonts, but NewTek tells me it can not
deal with regular Postscript objects.  They offered no other solution when I
asked them.

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I've been tooling around with creating an atmosphere for a planet an need
some help. I've got a sphere object with a earth brushmap wrapped around it
and have been trying to create the effect of an atmosphere at the edges of
the sphere (ie a bluee/white line at the edge of the sphere). My theory was
to create a second slightly larger sphere with a blue tint. The closest I've
got is to turn on opague edges on the tranparant object, but the edges
illuminate all the way around the object and do not take the sharp terminator
into effect. I should specify that I'm not looking for a halo but a actually
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Anyone have any suggestions where I can pick up
a colormap or colorwheel with RGB values printed
next to them for easy reference?

Currently I am using an RGB dumpfile of off a
Sun SPARCstation with the color descriptions, but
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    Hi! am the proud new owner of a Toaster 4000 System
    (less than a week!).

    Doing some animation and hit my first loss of a scene.

    The situation

    Modelled an object.

    In Layout, did a basic 30 frame scene and the
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    Played around some more in the Modeler, and crashed
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    So, I have an object, and I have an ANIM file, but no SCENE?

    Is there a way to recreate the scene from the ANIM file, or am
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Hi,

I Have a slight problem.  I Have a flicker free video II ard
in my a2000, ith my toaster.  My control monitor
is a SVGS Packard Bell, then as my program monitor i have
a faithful 1084s.  Now, if i run the toaster and exit, (for genlock)
Whyis it that my screen flickers uncontrollably?  it wont work at all.

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This causes problems trying to use scala or other utilities with
the genlock function.

Any Ideas why this happens? How about why when i have my toaster set up
as a 2 monitor system, and i go into lightwave or cg, my program monitor
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Hi all.

I have created the inside of a theater and haverun into some problems
with the center aisle carpet.

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      |   |   |                   |   |   |
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the luminosity information (black background, dark grey stripes, white
circles).

I have made sure that the images have the same size, that their coordinates
match, that the mapping sizes match. Yet, all I get is a center aisle carpet
with blue trim, red edges and center, but no lights (instead just a few black
holes). I have followed the manual (although it is quite sparse as far as
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> I was wondering if
> the following is possible.  Could an Arexx script be written that
> would be executed after a cold boot, ie. a power outage....

    If you are using Lightwave 3.0, I have some information
that might help in the construction:

In the new Lightwave the LW-config file has been modified.  You can now
have Lighwave save its working status.  As each frame is rendered,
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It updates this each frame.

Didn't see this option in the 2.0 LW manual.
Check it out on page 81 of the T4000 manual.

It is listed as:

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    In my LW.config, I have it save to RAM:  I then look at it when I
am rendering via parnet.  This way, I can see how the animation is going
from another room.

By the way, I could have used it this weekend.  We had a maintenance man
come in and convert some plugs into three prong outlets for another room.
He shut off the Main to do this!  Caught both Amiga's rendering in the
process.  Lost five hours of my weekend on Sunday....

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General PostScript can be a bear.  There may be some path through
Interchange that could get you a good fraction of what you need.

Any ideas John?

    - Stuart

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You will want to make the dots in your colormap the color of your
lights.  By making the color black and fully luminous, you have
just asked for brightly glowing *black* lights.  The luminous
parameter just determines how how the surface brightness is affected
by lightsources.  100% luminous means the surface will have full
color regardless of the amount of light hitting the surface.  You
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Hi,

 I need to convert textures that I got that have the file extension

 .rgb

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>     Played around some more in the Modeler, and crashed
>     LightWave!

How did you do that? Why did you do that? :-)

>     So, I have an object, and I have an ANIM file, but no SCENE?
>     Is there a way to recreate the scene from the ANIM file

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> colour map: red center and edges, blue trim, black circles
> where the lights will be). The other (the luminance map) contains
> the luminosity information (black background, dark grey stripes, white
> circles).

> Yet, all I get is a center aisle carpet
> with blue trim, red edges and center, but no lights (instead just a few black
> holes).

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>Hi all.
>
>I have created the inside of a theater and haverun into some problems
>with the center aisle carpet.
>
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>      |   |   |         <----------------------red center
>      |   |   |                   |   |   |
>      |   | O |                   | O |   |
>      |   |   |                   |   |   |
>      |   |   |                   |   |   |
>
>I have tried using 2 images for the mapping. One, the colour map, consists
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>of the colour information (red center and edges, blue trim, black circles
>where the lights will be). The other (the luminance map) contains
>the luminosity information (black background, dark grey stripes, white
>circles).
>
>I have made sure that the images have the same size, that their coordinates
>match, that the mapping sizes match. Yet, all I get is a center aisle carpet
>with blue trim, red edges and center, but no lights (instead just a few black
>holes). I have followed the manual (although it is quite sparse as far as
>multiple surfaces are concerned but could not find my answer there.
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>Could anyone help ?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Alex.
>
Hi Alex,
There is a difference between lighting and luminosity.  A luminous
surface will not "give off" light, it will simply appear as if it has
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be, your "lights" will look like black circles that have been lit (which
of course stay black since black absorbs light) by an ambient source.
So change the colors of your circles to the color you want the lights to
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I Have a 2000 6.2 2 floppie, Flickerfree vid II, w/SVGA COntrol Monitor, 1084s
Program monitor, syquest, modem, everything is hooked up correctly.

Heres the problem 2.0 VT Worked fine! I Get my upgrade to 3.0,

Delete 2.0, install the upgrade, and VT NOT RESPONDING FOREVER!!!

Here are things That ARE NOT CAUSEING THE PROBLEMS!


1) RGB Port IS Terminated.
2) We have the VT 3.0 running on a 2000 at work with a flickerfree vid II
   so its not that
3) I have a live camera in 1, and auto hue wont even see the toaster
4) tried it without the syquests hooked up
5) Tried it from shell
6) Made sure no utils were running.

WHAT COULD CAUSE THIS! Every day this toaster is down, I Get More And MOre
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>I have created the inside of a theater and haverun into some problems
>with the center aisle carpet.
>
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>      |   |   |                   |   |   |
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>I have tried using 2 images for the mapping. One, the colour map, consists
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>where the lights will be). The other (the luminance map) contains
>the luminosity information (black background, dark grey stripes, white
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>Alex.
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    The .rgb files are most likely SGI images.  This extention
is common on SGI's, and I don't know of any programs on the Amiga
to convert them?
    On the Mac however there is a program called debabilizer(SP)
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Yes, converting general PostScript to 3D objects can be a bear...
it's tough enough to make a reliable PostScript clone for a printer,
much less for the specialized case of converting the outlines to 3D
models.

Imagine using your favorite structured drawing program (Illustrator,
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black and no stroke.  Draw a continuous scribble, over and over.
On-screen and on your PostScript printer, it looks one way.  By
reducing the Bezier curves to zillion-sided polygonal outlines,
rasterizing the outlines to 300/600 DPI bitmaps, and using an
even-odd scanline fill rule, essentially, PostScript decides which
areas to make black and which to make white.

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structured clip of the curve to itself, then topologically determine
which closed regions are the "insides" (polygons) and which aren't.
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This is possible, but it isn't easy.  Also, it's tough because your
PostScript clone might sometimes decide that an inside is an outside,
as compared to what the Adobe PostScript printer displayed.

In fact, printing a continuous, Spirograph-like curve like this is a
common way to demonstrate that someone's PostScript clone isn't the
same as an Adobe interpreter.

So how does Modeler turn Adobe Type 1 fonts into polygons?  Well,
fonts are supposed to obey a few rules that make it easier to convert
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them to polygons.  One, the outlines aren't supposed to cross
themselves.  Two, inner-white regions aren't supposed to cross the
outer black-filled regions.

There's another way around this: use a program that can turn an Adobe
Illustrator file into a 3D object.  There are several Mac programs
that do this.  Like fonts, Illustrator files are a limited,
well-defined subset of PostScript.  They do suffer from this same
self-clip problem, but they're easier to parse than full-blown
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Syndesis has had an Illustrator translator sitting around for quite
some time, but we've never put it to good use, aside from licensing
it to a Windows company.  We could turn it into a TIO loader for the
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I rendered 200 frames to hard disk, but I saved in framestore format
instead of IFF.  I want to create a ham anim from these frames.  Since
I saved in FS format, it appears that my options are now limited.  I
planned to use REND24 or FRED/ADPro to create my animation, but I
didn't realize they both require IFF files as input.

When I discovered REND24 wants IFF input, I figured "no problem - ADPro
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Is my only option, at this point, to write an AREXX script to make
batch input possible with ADPro?

I didn't use REND24 to convert on-the-fly to a ham anim because I have
a large hard disk and I wanted to keep the 24-bit images.  I chose the
framestore format because it takes less space than IFF.  It now occurs
to me that if I wanted to have the animation put to tape at a service
bureau (or do it myself if I can ever afford single-frame) that the
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What procedure does an experienced animator follow?

If I could just afford a PAR and a Sanyo GVR-S950, I would have it made.
Of course, it would also be nice to quit my job as a software developer
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10/30/93 12:44 27/ [e-mail] (Bill Mills)
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Every now and again I have heard the gripe about lightwave (in comparison
to other renderers) not multitasking.  So, I complacently believed it,
especially as there are no front/back gadgets in lightwave.  Well, I just
downloaded an AH64 wavefront model from avalon, started another download,
and was waiting, and waiting for TIO to convert the Apache, when all of
a sudden BaudBandit pops on top of Lightwave to tell me that the download
is done.  Well, I start using the left Amiga key and mouse, and discover
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Now admittedly as each segment is rendered to the frame buffer, the entire
monitor flashes grey, but that's a small price to pay.  Unfortunately,
Modeler uses the same screen as Lightwave, so you can't model while rendering,
but hey, It does mean that I don't have to totally kill a render job when
someone calls to get a price quote on Amiga equipment.  Once again, a
big thumbs up for Alan and Stuart.

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the latest Computer Graphics World has articles on the big three
renderers, Alias, Softimage, and TDI.  Some very impressive
features and images, to inspire Lightwave 4.0 :-) I especially
like TDI's plant growing feature.
Also, an impressive showing by the new 3D studio, chief interesting
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smoke, etc...
And, a press release about the Toaster 4000...

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> WHAT COULD CAUSE THIS! Every day this toaster is down, I Get More And MOre
> SCREWED!

    Could be that your variable capacitor near the 14.31818Mhz clock
on your Toaster Board is mis-aligned.  I have seen this very often.  This
will cause the "Toaster not Responding" message.
    The method I use is only somewhat accurate, as the Toaster Card
replaces the H and V blanking on all incoming video.  Anyone care to
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Hey Ron, the easiest way to fix your problem is to just buy a UPS!
Computablilty sells 500 VA UPS's for about $190.00.  Considering your first
repair bill on your computer from your power problems would cost more than
that it would be a good investment.
BTW, UPS stands for Uninteruptable Power Source.  It will also keep your
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> I rendered 200 frames to hard disk, but I saved in framestore format
> instead of IFF.  I want to create a ham anim from these frames.  Since
> I saved in FS format, it appears that my options are now limited.  I
> planned to use REND24 or FRED/ADPro to create my animation, but I
> didn't realize they both require IFF files as input.

    A moment of silence for all who have done that...


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    Ok, an answer:

    You'll need at around 3 Meg of free RAM to complete the following.
    Let's say you've got a 200 framestore sequence, starting from 1 to
200.  The first frame is 001.FS.GoldenPorche

    Create a new scene.  Go into the Image menu.  Select Load Sequence.
Type in the name of a framestore in your sequence.
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Ex:  if your framestore is  --> 001.FS.GoldenPorche

     you would enter        --> GoldenPorche

    Next, go to Effects menu (Version 3.0) or Background (Version 2.0).
Select GoldenPorche (for me) as your Background Image.

    We have set your Framestores to be loaded in.  What's left is to set
the scene's "First" and "Last" frame and tell Lightwave to save RGB images.
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    Go into Scene.  Set the First frame to the first frame in your
sequence.  Using the example above, I would ender 1.  Enter the last frame
in your sequence:  for me, I would enter 200.

    Next, enter Record.  Select Save RGB (Save Images in 2.0) Now,
enter RAM: in the path.  This is important, as we are only going to keep
only one rendered image (at a time) to work on.  Now, enter the name you
would like to save.  For me that would be GoldenPorche.

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    What we have done is tell Lightwave to Load in your framestore,
then re-render it back out as the 24 bit IFF image that Image processing
software (like Rend24) wants.  We have told it to save each image out to
the RAM: device.  The advantage is that programs like Rend24 can sit and
wait for new images to come in, process the information and (most
importantly) delete the frame after its use - IE: added to a HAM anim.
It does take Lightwave under 30-40 seconds process each frame.  The beauty
is that this process is automatic, cheep, and can be done while you sleep.

    There are a several selections that needed to be made to Rend24:
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Select the 24bit image from the RAM: device  Would be RAM:GoldenPorche for
me.
    Select the anim file you wish to save... IE: DH5:GoldenPorche.anim
    Select Delete Source's
    Select Don't Pause
    Select Wait for Source's

    If you are able to fill in the gaps from here, you should be on
your way.

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In regards to my question about the luminance mapping problem
on the cinema center aisle carpet, I'd like to thank all the people
who helped me solve the problem.

Alex.

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>I rendered 200 frames to hard disk, but I saved in framestore format
>instead of IFF.  I want to create a ham anim from these frames.  Since
>I saved in FS format, it appears that my options are now limited.  I
>planned to use REND24 or FRED/ADPro to create my animation, but I
>didn't realize they both require IFF files as input.
You forget all this batch conversion stuff, and simply load the franstores
into lightwave as an image sequence, map it as the background, set up rend24
and simply hit render-auto.  This makes the work to do this take you aprox. 5
minutes..  no programming at all, point and click.
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>        The .rgb files are most likely SGI images.  This
>extention is common on SGI's, and I don't know of any programs
>on the Amiga to convert them?

Mark, ImageFX can convert SGI files on the Amiga.  If you've still got our
number, give me a call so I can get you an update.

Kermit Woodall
Nova Design, Inc.

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Hi,
    I've been trying to do an extrude effect.  Imagine this, clay is being
pushed out of a small hole and the stuff coming out of the hole is kind of like
spaghetti, but instead of piling up becoming a plate of spaghette, it
fills a predefined shape.  In my case the shape kind of looks like a very big
bean.  there dosn't have to be as meny stringy things as a plate of spaghetti,
only about 1/2 or 1/3 as dense.
    If I was doing this in Imagine, I would just make the path that I
wanted the stringy stuff to follow and use the F/X extrued function.
    But the rest of the project is already been done in LW and I don't like
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Imagine much to start with except for a few things LW can't do, like this.

    So any ideas guys and gals?

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+-- John Foust - Syndesis Corporation <[e-mail]>
| So how does Modeler turn Adobe Type 1 fonts into polygons?  Well,
| fonts are supposed to obey a few rules that make it easier to convert
| them to polygons.  One, the outlines aren't supposed to cross
| themselves.  Two, inner-white regions aren't supposed to cross the
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Some fonts do not even follow these simple rules.  There are many
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Yo FRED:
>
>WHAT COULD CAUSE THIS! Every day this toaster is down, I Get More And MOre
>SCREWED!
>
>PLEASE RESPOND E-MAIL ASAP!!!!!

    Well, Fred, after I installed my PAR I couldn't get the ol'
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    Putting it back to the usual setting let the Toaster start.  Also,
disconnecting it completely empowered the Toastr.  But it wouldn't
start on a empty port.

    MORAL:  Check your parallel port.

>
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How many people out there use 4mm/8mm DAT tape drives for Amiga/Lightwave
backup?  I'm looking to get a drive and would like to know what others are
using and what they think of their purchase.  I'm looking to get a Turbo
Python, Exabyte 8205 or HP 35480.  The Exabyte 8505 would be nice but with
prices around $2200 it is $1000 more than the 4mm models, and I don't think I
will need to backup 5GB at once.  The newer 4mm models like the HP can hold
4-8GB so the space isn't a problem.  I don't think I will need to go to an
Abekas at any time either, I'll be using a PAR for most of my work.

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> Delete 2.0, install the upgrade,

I hate to point this out, but this might have been a mistake if you had the
HD space as most Toaster users do.  You should have just renamed this directory
to be able to get back.

>and VT NOT RESPONDING FOREVER!!!

I believe NewTek's answer will be, reinstall the software.

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For an emergency, you could always reload 2.0 and make sure that still works.

This is _not_ a Toaster 4000 board, correct?

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[e-mail] (Fred Pienkos) wrote to the Lightwave list about
'toaster not responding' errors after upgrading 2.0 to 3.0

Fred, you didn't mention wether you upgraded to the new Toaster board or
not.  I have seen this same problem when a client accidentally told the
Toaster software installer that he was using the T4000 board, when he
was installing the upgrade to a 2.0 board.  Every boot attempt -- Toaster
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ADPro and Fred have no problem reading non-IFF images.  Just make sure that
you have selected either the universal loader, or the framestore loader
before working in Fred.  Also, have installed Morph Plus AFTER installing
ADPro you will need to re-install the latest version of ADPro, as Morph
plus' older operaters will have overwritten ADPros operators.  (Morph plus'
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release does).  Basically if you can do it in ADPro, Fred can do it too.
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> How many people out there use 4mm/8mm DAT tape drives for Amiga/Lightwave
> backup?

I have both a WanDAT 3200 2GB 4mm drive and an Exabyte 8500 8mm drive.
Having previously used a 525MB 1/4" cartridge tape drive for backup, both
these drives have been a massive improvement. I love them both. But since
the Exabyte is higher capacity, probably double the speed, and supported
for Abekas/D1 output, it definitely gets my highest reccomendation. Both
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> I'm looking to get a Turbo Python, Exabyte 8205 or HP 35480.  The Exabyte
> 8505 would be nice but with prices around $2200 it is $1000 more than 4mm

Since the release of the 8505, the 8500 has become easier to come by for a
reasonable price. I picked mine up used (only had a couple hours on it)
for $1250. Also, you might want to check with ASDG to see if their driver
supports the 8505. The docs say it only supports the 8500. You may not need
the D1/Abekas support now, but its nice to have the capability for the future.
My high-end clients wouldn't accept anything less. BTW, with the Abekas driver,
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> and I don't think I will need to backup 5GB at once.

Doesn't matter, you can append to the tapes trivially such that many backups
can be made to the same tape. Also, with Tapeworm-FS, your drive can become
equivalent to a slow 5GB HD.

> Please include stuff like drive model, internal/external, Amiga model, SCSI
> controller, backup software, price, etc.

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Exabyte 8500, 5GB, external, 5 1/4" full height, $1250 used
WangDAT 3200, 4GB, internal, 5 1/4" half height, $1100 new

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it to other facilities/systems (particularly for the Exabyte).
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I have no one registered as [e-mail], as a matter of fact
I do not have a Pries or Ries in the Bull telephone directory.  Please
update your distribution list by deleting this entry.

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> From: [e-mail] (Bill Mills)
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Rendered 200 frames
>
> ADPro and Fred have no problem reading non-IFF images.  Just make sure that
> you have selected either the universal loader, or the framestore loader
> before working in Fred.  Also, have installed Morph Plus AFTER installing
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> ADPro you will need to re-install the latest version of ADPro, as Morph
> plus' older operaters will have overwritten ADPros operators.  (Morph plus'
> universal loader does not support framestores, while the latest ADPro
> release does).  Basically if you can do it in ADPro, Fred can do it too.
> The only other problem with Framestore format and Fred, is that fred
> expects frame numbers at the END of a filename, (like Lwave IFF saves)
> so you will either need to put the frames one at a time into the Fred
> sequence, or write a script to rename them (I usually do this in AVPro).
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 Hi folks,
        I'm a rookie at this animation stuff. I need alittle help.
 We have the new 4000 and I'm trying to render a 3d text animation.
 I am using Med. res. overlay.  The text will simple move from below
 zoom and tilt forward so it can be read on screen.  SIMPLE.
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Not exact wording but something like that. I did proceed with it and
it is in the process of rendering right now. What does this mean?
Will I be able to play this animation with the real time function?
Please help this "NO MIND" figure this one out. Thanks

Randy Cadwell
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Bryan Blevins writes:
> We decided against an Exabyte after talking with some system
> administrators who have multiple Exabyte drives. The problem they have
> with them is that one or two is out being repaired or replaced.

Bryan brings up a good point. Even though I love my Exabyte 8500, I have
heard from several sources that these drives tend to have reliability
problems. Dave Watters who works for a drive distributor refered to them
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I've done quite a bit of converting from Illustrator to 3d objects.  The best
solution I've found is to save your postscript files in Illustrator 88 format,
ungrouped, no fill, black stroke, and import that into Deneba Canvas.  Canvas
can then export the object as DXF.  If you hold down option when you save, you
get some extra options about the DXF format, btw.

Ashlar Vellum can also translate Illustrator to DXF, but the DXF resolution is
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Could someone tell me how to make a light beam visible in LW? the wa it is
done on SeaQuest where you can see the beam of light underwater. I was
just wondering if it has something to do with fog [btw I am having a
really hard time doing anything with fog]...

IF someone knows how to make light beam visible please email me....

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The only reason that I own Aladdin 4d is the Postscript to 3D converter it
has. It works ok (small ok). 1st it has to be saved in Adobe Illustrator
format (ai on Corel Draw). 2nd as in other letters some of the postscript
files can be very complex and some (or alot) of cleanup has to be done.

But despite all this I still use it.

BTW it saves to a .geo file.

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I've been experiencing problems with rendering in print res. Basically, when
I render some images, about half of the image is a random color palette, the
other half looks fine. I think this might be a ram thing but wondered if
anyone could confirm. Another thing that I noticed is that I rendered an
image in print res and it took about a day, I then realize that I didn't have
the square pixel aspect ratio on so I click it a re-render, been going for
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One other thing, The image I'm working on has a big lens flare in the
background, to get the image to fit properly on the final output (11x17 tee
shirt), I rotate the camera 90 degrees so the image is on it's side. When I
do this the lens flare streaks render the same way that they did originally
with all other objects on their side. Is there a way to get the lens flare to
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> IF someone knows how to make light beam visible please email me....

You can't.  In LW 3.0 the lights can be visable, and of course the spot they
shine on an object will be visable, but the beam going through the air or fog
will not be.

You need to create this beam with a semi-transparent cone or cylinder. You
should make the cone angle the same as the (spot) light's.  Don't forget to
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I think a combination of transparency fallof (least transparent close
to the spot), clear edges, 100% luminous, applied to a cone will work.

Also, remember that if you use soft shadows, disable the cone object's
shadow receive-send options or you will end up having dark shadows in
your rendering as soft shadows do not take transparency into account.

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Please update your distribution list as there is no pries at Bull, to my
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> From: Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
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> Bryan Blevins writes:
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>
> Bryan brings up a good point. Even though I love my Exabyte 8500, I have
> heard from several sources that these drives tend to have reliability
> problems. Dave Watters who works for a drive distributor refered to them
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I found it to be a bit hard to make a laser beam end pass over a logo,
with its pivot point fixed. Changing heading and pitching required lots
of key frames to work properly. Any suggestions on how to do it a bit mo-
re easily? (I know, locale rotation - or object axis rotation - would sol-
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>> The only reason that I own Aladdin 4d is the Postscript to 3D converter it
>> has. It works ok (small ok). 1st it has to be saved in Adobe Illustrator
>> format (ai on Corel Draw). 2nd as in other letters some of the postscript
>> files can be very complex and some (or alot) of cleanup has to be done.
>>
>> But despite all this I still use it.
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If people are already working on Illustrator, they must be using Windows
or a Mac environment, so....

IF the PS file is small, you might want to try VIDI ModelerPro's DEMO
which can read PS and write to DXF and a few other formats. The demo is
size-limited -- for large files, you need the dongle, but small models CAN
be written. And ANY size model can be read. This is a Mac program, and
the demo can be found on America Online and probably CI$ too.
I use a fullblown ModelerPro all the time -- it's a very good modeling
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I believe that MacroModel, for both Mac and Windows, will also read PS and
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kb
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  [e-mail] (Doug Brooks)  writes:

> One other thing, The image I'm working on has a big lens flare in the
> background, to get the image to fit properly on the final output (11x17
> tee  shirt), I rotate the camera 90 degrees so the image is on it's side.
> When I  do this the lens flare streaks render the same way that they did
> originally   with all other objects on their side. Is there a way to get
> the lens flare to  rotate with the camera????

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I haven't been able to get that to work either. Looks like you might have to
fudge it to get a rotating lens flare. You might try rendering the flare by
itself and and then going back and applying it with a transparency map to a
transparent plane. Rotate the plane and you should be in business. Could
make a cool space-weapons type of effect if you animate the rotation.

As for your print res problem, I don't have any ideas. I've done some work
at that setting and didn't have any problems. I only wish it would go
higher. The client complained about the results looking kinda "lo-res". Most
of the film stuff is around 8K x 8K res.
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Thank you.

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A higher res on LW has been one of my wishes also. The higher resolutions
really come into play when you have gradient colors (modelling). The more
resolution the smoother the transition the less banding. In print the
action of creating the film (dot patterns) increases the contrast. If you
have just there resolution in your file the end result will be more banded.
Looking like low res. Especially on glossy front cover stock. Naturally the
bigger you go the more exaggerated the result.

For this very reason I still use Imagine for its higher res renders. It has
an ugly interface but great resolutions (to 8kx8k) and Essence algorithms

for procedural textures.

A collary to this wish is fully definable (adjustable) resolution sizes.
This would allow us to use different camera formats. Especially 4x5 or
the 8 1/2 " x 11" (the popular magazine front cover). Now we can use
the region crop render but that actually REDUCES the resolution of the
final print.

Allen, Stuart?

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11/6/93 05:35 14/ Richard Lescarbeau <[e-mail]>
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I'm looking for REND24-1.05 to deal with my lightwave animations.
Since I can't antialias in lightwave 2.0, I need something like REND24-1.05
to accomplish this. I have Viewtek1.05 which converts anims into anim7 format
and that helps smooth out the animation, but right know I'm running an A2000
with 8megs of ram, and a 2630 accelerator. I can only render in low
rez,convert to ham in Rend24-1.04. Does any one know of a site on the
net that has Rend24-1.05 or have any suggestions. I would like to try
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Does anyone know the status of the Screamer? Is it still scheduled to be
available in time for Christmas? Or will there be a delay?
Any info would be appreciated!
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Yo!  Fellow PAR'ers and LWavers:

    You might find it handy to know that for some reason,
FRAMESTORES convert into the PAR format LOTS quicker than RGB images.

    So if you are saving frames, like a prudent animator should,
you might want to save them as Framestores if you have the space.  If
your PAR glitches the animation you won't have to re-render, and they
will convert significantly faster.

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Hello all,

    I need information on the best way to import 35 mm negatives into
the computer. We are working on a historical project that involves
digitizing negatives and developing them via computer. We are planning to
use Toaster and lw 3.0 to present the pictures in a palatable fashion.

    In looking at possible solutions the only dedicated device for
negative transcription into video is the Tamron fotovfix series. The III-s
model boasts over 400 lines s-vhs resolution and a direct (?) output to
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computer file format (GIF?, IFF, TIFF). At around $800.00 us it seems
like a plausible solution but without seeing the output quality its a
gamble of funds.

    Anybody have any experience with the Tamron fotovix devices. Are
there any other solutions. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. I
gladly accept e-mail and will post a summary if there is a deluge of
responses. Thanks, and please feel free to crosspost this into
rec.video.production or any other area that might be productive (I don't
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Help!

What I thought was going to be fairly straightforward is frustrating me
terribly!  I'm modeling a lightning strike on an objects, which partially
explodes, leaving the company logo.  The fragments flying out from the
point of impact look ok, as does the secondary light source, which is a
point that pulses from 0 to 200% in concert with the strike.  The problem
is the d__m lightning bolt itself!

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five frame intervals over a thirty frame period. The disolve is linear, and
occurs between two frames (e.g., 35 and 36, 45 and 46) for a flickering
effect. However, it didn't look that great as it came in from off-screen.
I then modeled a rail- extruded disk, used jitter, and still didn't like
the object _or_ the motion path.  All of the other attempts are pretty much
variations on the same theme.

I believe someone on the list has done something using lightning, but I
don't remember who.  Feel free to offer comments or suggestions on any part
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seconds.  Also, any advice on the appropriate anti-aliasing level/adaptive
sampling threshold?

Thanks in advance.

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Here's some articles & abstracts that might be useful.  Quite frankly, at
these prices, I think you're better off using the framegrabber (since
you're already planning to use the Toaster) and a decent camcorder or camera.
400 lines of resolution is nothing to brag about, several consumer-grade
cameras do better than that.  Just get a good macro lens, and put your
negatives across a light table.

For really good resolution and color control, you're apparently looking at
more like $2,500 for photo-quality 24-bit color.
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Journal:    PC User  Dec 2 1992 n199 p104(1)
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Title:     Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c. (24-bit flatbed scanner) (Hardware
           Review) (Shortlist) (Evaluation)
Author:    Gordon, Martin


Abstract:  The Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c from Tekware is a good value in a
           flatbed scanner.  Resolution is 800 dots per inch (dpi) on the
           long axis and 400 dpi on the short axis, with interpolation to
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           800 dpi performed on the hardware.  This full color scanner
           works in three modes: 24-bit color, 8-bit grayscale and
           single-bit.  The ArtiScan comes with a dedicated SCSI
           interface card, making for simple installation.  The bundled
           software is Aldus' PhotoStyler and Tamarack's Colorshop 24
           scanning software.  The Tamarack worked rather slowly.
           Scanning an A4 sheet at 300 dpi in 8-bit mode took nearly two
           minutes.  Scanning a 35mm full-color slide at 800 dpi took 2
           minutes 24 seconds.  The ArtiScan's results with both
           photographs and slides are consistently excellent.  The
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Product Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c

Supplied by Tekware

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Overall evaluation  7

Tamarack's ArtiScan 8000c A4 scanner is described as an 800dpi flatbed
CCD machine (resolution is actually 800dpi on the long axis and 400dpi on
the short axis, with interpolation to 800dpi performed in hardware).
It's a full-colour scanner with three modes:  24-bit colour, 8-bit
greyscale and single-bit (line-art).

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A dedicated SCSI interface card is included with the PC version.  This
makes for very simple installation but does mean two SCSI adaptors if you
already run other SCSI devices.  Software comprises Tamarack's own
Colorshop 24 scanning software and Aldus' PhotoStyler.

Once PhotoStyler is installed, a software scanner driver is then loaded
to give PhotoStyler control of the Tamarack scanner features.  These
include the ability to define, save and load different gamma correction
profiles, which are downloaded from the driver to the scanner hardware
and used to implement gamma corrections in hardware during the scanning
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process.

Four gamma correction functions are available: linear or splined points,
and logarithmic or parabolic curves.  Of course, if the curve selected is
inappropriate, a re-scan is required.  Implementing the gamma correction
during the scanning process can result in a superior digitized image, and
further post-scan correction can always be applied within PhotoStyler.
Scanning is most definitely an art, and it's valuable to practise using
these tools as much as possible on a variety of images.

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Once the 8000c was working, the optional slide kit was added.  This is a
quick operation: the two screws holding the document cover in place are
removed and the cover replaced by the slide kit.  The scanning control
dialogue allows the light in the slide kit to be turned on and gives an
exposure control in addition to the normal brightness and contrast
settings.  A minor drawback to the slide kit is that thick documents and
books can no longer be scanned so easily.

Although described in the literature as a fast scanner, the Tamarack
proved rather slow in operation, despite being connected to a 50MHz
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486/DX2 with 16Mb of RAM and a fast 330Mb disk drive.  A prescan took 50
seconds, and scanning an A4 page at 300dpi took almost two minutes in
8-bit mode.  However, scanning a 35mm slide in full colour at 800dpi took
a fairly reasonable two minutes 24 seconds.  But it's the results that
count, however, and the scanned images from the 8000c were consistently
excellent, both from photographs and slides.

The documentation is useful, covering installation and driver-specific
information, and the PhotoStyler manuals give a great deal of help in
achieving good basic results and image manipulation.  Construction is
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-- this does add weight, but gives rigidity and helps reduce vibration.
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Company:   Tamarack Storage Devices Inc.
Product:   Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c
Topic:     Evaluation
           Scanning devices

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Journal:   MacUser  Nov 1993 v9 n11 p52(1)
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Title:     Nikon Coolscan. (miniature slide scanner) (Hardware Review)
           (New on the Menu: Reviews) (Evaluation)
Author:    Fraser, Bruce


Abstract:  Nikon Inc's CoolScan, priced at $2,495 for an external unit
           and $2,195 for an internal unit, is a miniaturized slide
           scanner that is designed for serious use.  It scans 34mm
           slides and negatives at resolutions as high as 2,700 pixels
           per inch with 8-bit color; a full-resolution scan takes up
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           24Mbytes of disk space.  The unit provides light with an array
           of LEDs instead of a lamp, improving life expectancy and
           reducing warm-up time.  It draws very little power and
           includes straightforward bundled software.  Snapping in
           mounted slides is easy, and there is a filmstrip holder for
           loading unmounted film.  Bundled software consists of plug-ins
           for Adobe Photoshop that let users manage resolution and edit
           images.  The CoolScan has a true focus control and is fairly
           fast.  It is an excellent value and is both easy for novices
           to use and powerful enough for professionals.
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Company:   Nikon Inc.
Product:   Nikon CoolScan
Topic:     Scanning devices
           Evaluation

Record#:   14 405 608.

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Journal:   Macworld  Oct 1993 v10 n10 p61(1).
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Title:     mira 35. (Hardware Review) (35mm slide scanner from Santos
           Technology) (Evaluation)
Author:    Nielsen, Matthew


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Abstract:  Santos Technology's $2,695 mira 35 slide scanner has a much
           smaller footprint than most desktop flatbed scanners and is
           designed exclusively for scanning 35mm slides.  It operates
           via a plug-in filter that can be used with any image-editing
           program supporting plug-ins; those creating
           publication-quality scans will want to use a full-fledged
           image editor, but the mira 35's software has unusually robust
           controls for a bundled scanning product.  The user interface
           has Resolution/Scaling, Color Balance and Gamma panels; all
           controls can be set via a slider bar or by numerical entry for
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           greater precision.  The gamma control set is the most powerful
           and complex of the three, letting users make very fine
           adjustments to midtones without affecting highlights and
           shadows.  mira 35 supports only the RGB color space; the
           ability to scan and color-correct in CMYK mode would be a
           significant improvement.
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Company:   Santos Technology Inc.
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Topic:     Scanning devices
           Evaluation

Record#:   14 198 819.

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Journal:   PC Week  Sept 13 1993 v10 n36 p127(2)
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Title:     Scanners slide into new markets. (PC Week Buyers' Guide)
           (Buyers Guide)
Author:    Schorr, Amy


Abstract:  Many vendors are producing slide scanners priced at under
           $5,000 that meet the demand created by buyers who want to save
           on service-bureau costs.  Analysts say that a major trend

           toward doing one's own work in-house is underway and that the
           new scanners provide adequate image quality at low prices.
           Nikon Electronic Imaging's $2,195 CoolScan is expected to
           drive much of the growth in the scanner market in 1993 and
           1994; observers and users say that it offers fairly good
           resolution, image quality and software quality and is very
           small, fitting into a standard 5.25-inch drive bay.  Many
           users say they are very satisfied with the CoolScan.  The
           high-end scanner market is not expected to grow as much as the
           low-end market but offers the best image quality for graphic
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Topic:     Scanning devices
           Market Analysis
           Market Entry
           Trends
           System Design
           User Needs
           Hardware Selection
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Record#:   14 366 984.

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Journal:   MacUser  June 1993 v9 n6 p147(1)
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Title:     Kodak RFS 2035 scanner. (Hardware Review ) (Evaluation)
Author:    Fraser, Bruce


Abstract:  The $7,995 Kodak RFS 2035 scans 35mm film more than five times
           faster than the Nikon LS-3510AF, thanks to a 1,500-by-1,024
           pixel charge coupled device (CCD) area array.  In contrast,
           most scanners user linear arrays, which require capturing an
           image by moving across it one strip at a time.  The RFS 2035
           will work with positive, negative, strip or mounted film and
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           has a maximum resolution of 3,072-by-2,048 pixels.  Automatic
           focus, color balancing and exposure control are included.  The
           included software is easy to install and use.  The RFS 2035's
           nearest rival, the Nikon LS-3510AF, offers better color
           fidelity and handles shadow detail better than the Kodak
           product.  But the RFS 2035 is easier to use, faster and costs
           several thousand dollars less than the Nikon.
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Product:   Kodak RFS 2035
Topic:     Evaluation
           Color
           Scanning devices

Record#:   13 776 069.

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Title:     Nikon, Santos slide scanners focus on low cost, high quality.
           (Nikon Electronic Imaging Coolscan, Santos Technology mira*35)
           (Hardware Review) (Comparison)(includes related summary
           article, product information) (Evaluation)
Author:    Hannaford, Steve

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Abstract:  Nikon Electronic Imaging's $2,495 Coolscan and Santos
           Technology Inc's $2,695 mira*35 are two low-cost slide
           scanners that offer fast scanning and adequate quality to meet
           the needs of the average user; they are not intended for
           display advertising or magazine cover work.  The mira*35 is
           dependable and can scan positive color or gray-scale slides at
           resolutions of up to 2,700 dpi.  It runs under an Adobe
           Photoshop plug-in; Santos bundles a copy of Photoshop 2.5 with
           the scanner.  The unit can scan a slide at 300 dpi in about
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           3.5 minutes on an accelerated Mac IIci.  Problems include the
           lack of a provision for opening files at different sizes and
           resolutions and difficulty rotating images.  The Nikon
           Coolscan handles both positive and negative 35mm film and has
           elaborate software controls for adjusting color channels.
           Installation is simple, and the scanner offers very good image
           quality and an excellent manual.  The Coolscan is slower than
           the mira*35, taking almost seven minutes to scan a 4-by-5-inch
           image at 300 dpi.
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           evaluation
Company:   Nikon Inc. Electronic Imaging Engineering Div.
           Santos Technology Inc.
Product:   Nikon CoolScan
           Santos Technology Mira-35
Topic:     I/O devices
           Evaluation
           Scanning devices

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Journal:   PC Week  May 24 1993 v10 n20 p127(2)
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Title:     Coolscan melds smooth function with efficient form. (Hardware
           Review) (Nikon Electronic Imaging's slide scanner)(includes
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Author:    Caton, Michael


Abstract:  The Nikon Electronic Imaging $2,195 Coolscan 35-mm slide
           scanner comes in a good, hard-disk-size chassis and provides
           users with high-quality, high-resolution 24-bit color.  The
           slide scanner scored better than expected in tests, and with
           its 2,700 dots-per-inch (dpi) resolution, was able to keep
           good color accuracy.  Installation of the product is easy
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           since its half-height 5.25-in form factor makes it ideal for
           drive bays.  The software included with the scanner enables
           users to do the basics in contrast, brightness and color
           adjustments.  The software also flips images if users insert
           the slides in the scanner in the wrong way.
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           evaluation
Company:   Nikon Inc. Electronic Imaging Engineering Div.
Product:   Nikon CoolScan
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           Scanning devices

Record#:   13 890 345.

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Journal:   PC User  Dec 2 1992 n199 p104(1)
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Title:     Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c. (24-bit flatbed scanner) (Hardware
           Review) (Shortlist) (Evaluation)
Author:    Gordon, Martin


Abstract:  The Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c from Tekware is a good value in a
           flatbed scanner.  Resolution is 800 dots per inch (dpi) on the
           long axis and 400 dpi on the short axis, with interpolation to
           800 dpi performed on the hardware.  This full color scanner
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           works in three modes: 24-bit color, 8-bit grayscale and
           single-bit.  The ArtiScan comes with a dedicated SCSI
           interface card, making for simple installation.  The bundled
           software is Aldus' PhotoStyler and Tamarack's Colorshop 24
           scanning software.  The Tamarack worked rather slowly.
           Scanning an A4 sheet at 300 dpi in 8-bit mode took nearly two
           minutes.  Scanning a 35mm full-color slide at 800 dpi took 2
           minutes 24 seconds.  The ArtiScan's results with both
           photographs and slides are consistently excellent.  The
           ArtiScan sells for 1,475 pounds sterling.
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           evaluation
Company:   Tamarack Storage Devices Inc.
Product:   Tamarack ArtiScan 8000c
Topic:     Evaluation
           Scanning devices

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Journal:   InfoWorld  Nov 2 1992 v14 n44 p104(1)
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Title:     Nikon LS3510AF scans slides, film. (Hardware Review)
           (Evaluation)
Author:    Kaliczak, Janek

Abstract:  Nikon's LS3510AF is a powerful, high resolution 35mm slide and
           film scanner designed for both the Macintosh and PC platforms.
            Up to 3,175-dpi (dots-per-inch) resolution is possible, with
           the maximum pixel resolution being 5,000 in both directions.
           The LS3510AF processes 35mm negative film strips or 35mm slide
           transparencies into digital format.  A 24-bit image can be
           obtained from about 1Mbyte to over 36Mbytes.  For the
           Macintosh, a plug-in module is available for Adobe Photoshop.
           Exposure and focus functions are automatic, although most
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           slide scanning parameters can be modified if desired.  Two
           versions of the LS3510AF are available.  The 8-bit version
           costs $9,535, while the 16-bit version costs $11,316.  Imaging
           editing software is included for either the Macintosh or PC
           platforms.
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           evaluation
Company:   Nikon Inc.
Product:   Nikon LS-3510AF
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           Top Rating
           Scanning devices

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Journal:   MacUser  Nov 1992 v8 n11 pB46(12)
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Title:     Sliding into high gear: desktop slide scanners. (evaluations
           of 4 slide scanners and 2 transparency scanners)(includes
           related articles on drum scanners, new products, testing
           methodology and the review conclusions) (Hardware Review) (DTP
           Buyer's Guide) (Evaluation)
Author:    Fraser, Bruce


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Abstract:  Four color slide scanners and two color transparency scanners
           are reviewed for ease of use, performance and output quality.
           Barneyscan Inc's CIS 3515 and CIS 4520RS and Leaf Systems
           Inc's Leafscan 35 and 45 are slide scanners, while Microtek
           Lab Inc's ScanMaker 1850S and Nikon Electronic Imaging's
           LS-3510AF are transparency scanners.  The six scanners use
           charged-coupled device (CCD) arrays to record red, blue and
           green light; all produce output superior to flatbed scanner
           output.  These slide scanners are easier to use than expensive
           drum scanners, but they can require 8Mbytes of RAM as a
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           minimum, and they demand large storage capacities to hold the
           scanned images.  The scanners are generally not difficult to
           install and calibrate.  The Nikon scanner is the fastest in
           the group, but although the Barneyscan CIS 4520RS takes the
           longest time to scan, it frees the computer to be used for
           other tasks.  The Microtek product has the widest range of
           colors, called the gamut, but is uneven.  The Barneyscan CIS
           3515 has poor shadow detail and lower resolution than the
           other scanners.  The Nikon scanner and the Barneyscan CIS
           4520RS gamuts are narrow but well-balanced.  Both Leaf Systems
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           products have wide, well-balanced gamuts.  The Barneyscan CIS
           3515 is not recommended because it is outdated, but the other
           products all have uses.
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           evaluation
Company:   Barneyscan Corp.
           Leaf Systems Inc.
           Microtek Lab Inc.
           Nikon Inc. Electronic Imaging Engineering Div.
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           Barneyscan CIS*4520 RS
           Leaf Systems LeafScan 35
           Leaf Systems Leafscan 45
           Microtek Lab ScanMaker 1850S
           Nikon LS-3510AF
Topic:     Slides (Photography)
           Scanning Devices

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Journal:   MacUser  Oct 1992 v8 n10 p74(2)
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Title:     Polaroid CS-500 Digital Photo Scanner. (Polaroid Corp. scanner
           for capturing color photographs) (Software Review) (New on the
           Menu)(Reviews: Scanners) (Evaluation)
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Author:    Yi, Paul


Abstract:  Polaroid's $3,995 Polaroid CS-500 scanner is an expensive but
           worthwhile solution for scanning color snapshots.  The CS-500
           can scan images measuring up to 4 by 6 inches much more
           quickly than even the fastest flatbed scanners.  It is easy to
           operate and the bundled software is also easy to use.  The
           unique scanner produces impressive images.  Software includes
           a system extension, the SprintScan application and a plug-in
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Hello everyone.  I'm new to this Lightwave mail list.  I'm glad I've finally
found a group of people who I can talk to about my Lightwave concerns.

I am a beginning animator, and am learning the Lightwave.  Its alot of fun,
although I have gotten myself lost a few times.  I know pretty much all the
basics, but I have yet to create a realistic looking animation, which is my
goal.

I'm experimenting with the objects included in Lightwave 3.0.  I am trying to
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and detached the tires and saved them as objects.  I then placed them in the
appropriate positions of the car.  My plan was to rotate the tires along and
get the desired effect.  The problem is the rotation itself, I cannot find the
center of a tire to make it spin without looking deformed, or as if I got a
flat.  Also, when I use move pivot point, to get it somewhere close, that
information is not saved along with the scene, or the object.  I may be going
about it the wrong way, but I'm trying to learn.  If anyone could help me,
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I expect to be posting a bunch of messages with different questions about
lightwave, and I hope you all won't mind too many.  My system setup is an Amiga
4000 and the Toaster 4000.

Also, if anyone has experience in this, later on I want to make this animation
as realistic as possible, to where the cars tires will spin, with the camera
close up so that it would splatter mud or blow dirt at the camera when the car
suddenly takes off..  How would such an effect be created?  I don't have much
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You could have your negs put on a Photo-CD and then convert them to 24
bit IFF's with Asim CDFS (CD-Rom File system).  From there ADPro will do
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I'm looking for Show't the anim viewer or something comparable. I need
to be able to hold the first frame, play the anim, and hold the last frame.

I have viewtek1.05,superview,Alook and Rtap. Dpaint is a real pain..

I'm converting Lightwave 752X480 anim images to 376X240 HAM with REND24.
Rend24-1.05 and Viewtek1.05 serve my needs for converting images and
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    Also, you could try Sony's PHV-A7.  Have one sitting right next to
me.
    It is a color Photo Video Camera (CCD), self contained unit just
ready for taking slides and transfering to video.  You take composite
video directly into input 1 of your Toaster, and grab away.  Sorry, no
genlock functions. :(
    I would rate it as an AVERAGE transfer station.

    Email me for more details if you like.
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> is the d__m lightning bolt itself!

> Feel free to offer comments or suggestions on any part
> of the partial scene I've described.

    If you are looking for something to model from, try Back to the
Future part 1.  The scene with Doc sending the Delorian (sp) back to the
future, at the Clock tower.  The movie shows at least three angles of the
lightning bolt.
    A quick slo-mo reveals the work from the FX team.  The shot is
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that occurs from clock tower was an isolated explosion from another
structure with a similar camera angle.  Lightning bolt was drawn in.
And in a later MS of Doc bringing two cables together, a large portion of the
shot is Negated during the lightning Flash.

    Another movie to view as an example is Francis Ford Copola's Dracula.
I used it to get the feel for the environment of a lightning flash.  The
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from the lightning sequence they perfected.  Hat's off to the LW team!

Good luck
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> Hello everyone.  I'm new to this Lightwave mail list.  I'm glad I've finally
> found a group of people who I can talk to about my Lightwave concerns.

:)

> I am trying to
> create an animation of the object 64 Thunderbird.
> The problem is the rotation itself, I cannot find the
> center of a tire to make it spin without looking deformed, or as if I got a
> flat.  Also, when I use move pivot point, to get it somewhere close, that

> information is not saved along with the scene, or the object.
>

    Now that you have the tires cut from the Thunderbird and set your
tires parent to the Thunderbird, you'll need to go into Layout and set
your view to ZY.  Make sure that your tires and Thunderbird are at the
default positions with 0 rotation in h,p,b.  Use Edit View to center your
tires in ZY view (almost full screen) with the mouse.  Use the . (period)
key to zoom in on your tires.  Now that you have the view centered, back
out three times with the , (comma) key.  Select Edit Object.  Have tires
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as your selected item.  You should see the tires end on, in yellow (non
T4000 owners might not see this in yellow).  To the right you should also
see a tiny "x"  in yellow.  This is the object's center for rotation of the
tires.  Select Move Pivot Point.  With your mouse move that point to the
center of your tire.  Use the period key to zoom in closer, as you refine
the position of your Pivot Point.  It does need to be close to
the center, otherwise your wheel will wobble like a rock!  To
help you get more accuracy, go to the Options menu.  Change your Grid
Square Size to something like .1  Refining your point could take a minute
and some practice as LW redraws your object after placing your point.
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    I ended up with 0, 0.357, -1.366 for the pivot point on the front
tires.  My tire bounces very little, but some may be desired for
"realism".

    To make the tires rotate, select Mouse, Rotate.  Then hit the "n"
key for numeric.  Enter 360 on the P axis.  Make a key frame at 30.
    With this kind of control, it is easy to match your tire speed to
highway speeds (ie: 60 kph).

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    Make a wireframe preview of your thirty frames, and you should be
on your way.

    Another important tip is that once you make changes to the pivot
point, you will need to save your object.  Still in Layout, go to Objects,
click on Save Transformed, and save your object.  Note, using Save Object, or
Save All Objects doesn't save the new pivot point :(  Now you can save
your scene.  Next time LW loads in this scene, it will load in the tires with
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And if I've missed some detail, zap me some email  $:)

-Karl
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> FRAMESTORES convert into the PAR format LOTS quicker than RGB images.
>     (Dave White, can you tell us why?)

This is because the PAR must convert 24bit IFF and other RGB files to a
YUV format before compressing. Since Toaster Framestores are already in
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|     Another important tip is that once you make changes to the pivot
| point, you will need to save your object.  Still in Layout, go to Objects,
| click on Save Transformed, and save your object.  Note, using Save Object, or
| Save All Objects doesn't save the new pivot point :(  Now you can save
| your scene.  Next time LW loads in this scene, it will load in the tires with
| the modifed pivot point.

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stored with the object motion in the scene file.  You can have multiple
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point.  If you want the same pivot for multiple objects, use numeric
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> | click on Save Transformed, and save your object.
>
> This is wrong, and potentially dangerous.  You most certainly do NOT
> need to Save Transformed, and you should not.  The pivot point info is
> stored with the object motion in the scene file.

    The Lightwave manual was not clear on this.  I got my information
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    From 1.0, all object surface information is stored in the object
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Transformed idea came from.

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> > I am trying to
> > create an animation of the object 64 Thunderbird.
> > The problem is the rotation itself, I cannot find the
> > center of a tire to make it spin without looking deformed, or as if I got a
> > flat.  Also, when I use move pivot point, to get it somewhere close, that
> > information is not saved along with the scene, or the object.
> >
>
>     Now that you have the tires cut from the Thunderbird and set your
> tires parent to the Thunderbird, you'll need to go into Layout and set
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> your view to ZY.  Make sure that your tires and Thunderbird are at the
> default positions with 0 rotation in h,p,b.  Use Edit View to center your
> tires in ZY view (almost full screen) with the mouse.  Use the . (period)
> key to zoom in on your tires.  Now that you have the view centered, back
> out three times with the , (comma) key.  Select Edit Object.  Have tires
> as your selected item.  You should see the tires end on, in yellow (non
> T4000 owners might not see this in yellow).  To the right you should also
> see a tiny "x"  in yellow.  This is the object's center for rotation of the
> tires.  Select Move Pivot Point.  With your mouse move that point to the
> center of your tire.  Use the period key to zoom in closer, as you refine
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> the position of your Pivot Point.  It does need to be close to
> the center, otherwise your wheel will wobble like a rock!  To
> help you get more accuracy, go to the Options menu.  Change your Grid
> Square Size to something like .1  Refining your point could take a minute
> and some practice as LW redraws your object after placing your point.
>
>     I ended up with 0, 0.357, -1.366 for the pivot point on the front
> tires.  My tire bounces very little, but some may be desired for
> "realism".
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This seems much more involved and time consuming than is necessary.
"Import" the separated wheel into Modeler, press F1. This will center an
object on the origin, and is perfect for symetrical parts like wheels,
propellers, planets, etc... "Export" the wheel back to layout, make three
clones and move them under the car. (make sure and parent them first)

The only time I use the pivot point is when I need to rotate a
non-symetrical object or need a special rotation.

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Ok, I've got a question for all you texture experts out there.

I need a rock texture to apply to a large scale rock formation, like a
butte or small mountain.  I have tried some of the commercial rock images,
like those from Pro-Textures, and they look ok but not great.  The problem
is that the mountain is seen from a variety of angles, and the far shots
show repitition for small-scale mapping, and the close shots show the
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a combination of maps that really looks rock-like.  The way the shots are
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shot rock texture, as there are sometimes bits of the mountain close up
that blend into parts far away.

The attempts I have made with fractal noise have been less than
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the long shots and if I make them too big they get all blurry and not
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> This seems much more involved and time consuming than is necessary.

    My point in addressing the problem with pivot point was to keep
the (critical IMHO) relationship between the Thunderbird, wheel well and
tires.  Using an object that has been recentered changes this
relationship.

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the tires "turn" left or right.  Then you would certainly have to use a
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    I my school was Engineering, can you tell?

    Thanks to the list for keeping me on my toes :)
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Stuart, why is it "potentially dangerous" to save a pivot point transfor-
med object in save transformed? At least simple "save" will do?
Hmm... nothing to do with it, but just curiosity: Will lightwave ever be-
come a spline renderer either? Sometimes cubic mapping doesn't suffice, and
spline mapping would be great. BTW, is a polygon-conformed mapping possible?
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Hi, I've got an Amiga 4000/040 and the Toaster 4000.  I was wondering if
there was a Flicker Fixer that works with this setup.  I would like to be
able to use my VGA monitor for modelling with Lightwave without the
flicker. :-)

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Most certainly. It is done in Caligari and has been around in computer graphics
for ages. It does have a lot of potential problems as your source geometry
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Start with the large-scale image. For closer shots, remap with a
more-detailed version clipped from the large-scale texture, enlarged and
hand-detailed. At least, that's what I would do, if they were
genuinely separate shots.

If it's all one long track try:
   1. breaking up the track into separate shots!
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    have a natural boundary already, use a more detailed
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   3. add fog, to keep the contrast low. the viewer's eye will
    "invent" more.
   4. knock down the contrast of the maps, so that aliasing is
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| Stuart, why is it "potentially dangerous" to save a pivot point transfor-
| med object in save transformed? At least simple "save" will do?

Save Transformed is always dangerous, which is why you get a warning when
you do it.  Any changes to an object's position, rotation scaling, bone or
map displacement will be saved in the new object and effectively become
part of the geometry of the object.  Any changes saved with Save
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It has no effect on pivot information since that is not stored with the
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| Hmm... nothing to do with it, but just curiosity: Will lightwave ever be-
| come a spline renderer either?

Dunno.

| Sometimes cubic mapping doesn't suffice, and
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Stuart Ferguson <[e-mail]> writes:
> I need a rock texture to apply to a large scale rock formation, like a
> butte or small mountain. I have
> tried using two maps, one for color and another for diffuse, mapped at
> different scales, but the problems still persist

I would use both diffuse and color as you did. The color map would be a really
nasty-huge image (maybe 2K x 2K or bigger) to define the overall mountain
color with as much detail as the image can afford. Not knowing the shape
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typically do to create these things is to start with some scanned imagery,
and then really mess it up in a paint program. If you don't have a high-res
24bit paint program, ImageFX will probably do the job for ya. To this I would
add a fractal noise diffuse map that is a bit more subtle in effect and lower
in spatial resolution. Finally, for close-up detail, a bump map. Fractal
noise is probably best here but you can experiment with images as well. Keep
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Probably a simple explanation, but i tried to convert some imagine objects to
lightwave using pixel pro and i got a strnge effect.... it seemed half of
every squar composed of 2 polygons was missing.  Example of what should be two
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If you havnt guessed im new to lightwave aswell


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Im going through some of the tutorials in lightwave, and my saturn tutorial is
horrendous.   The biggest problem is im getting render errors in my images,
near the bottom of the planet. Lookslike all 3 layers(planet and atmosphere)
have holes inthe same places.! Arg!

Any Ideas?

Some of my textures seem to be missing also.  The tutorial would say, load
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O Well  Easy enough to make my own, but thats weird.

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Chew on this...

I have a 2D disc that I wished to morph to a disc of exact XY
dimensions, but 3D with an additional segment on the Z axis,
ie now it's a coin, not a tiddlywink.

No movement during the morph sequence, and both objects are loaded
at the same coordinates, X(0) Y(0) Z(0), H(+45) P(0), B(0).

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different number of points came up.  No problem.

I loaded the 2D object back into the Modeller, extruded 1 segment
for size 0 on the Z axis, and voila, 3D object that looks 2D.  Terrific.
Now the morph target and envelope don't complain, and I have the
effect I want (I also dissolve one object out and dissolve one in
while I do the morph).  No problem, right? Guess again....

The 2D object (the fake 2D object, that is) rotates 180 degrees on
the H axis during the morph sequence!  I didn't tell it to do this!

Double checking all the key frames shows no keyframes with any thing
else that the original coordinates, and everything seems kosher as
it should be.  Any ideas why this would be occuring.  At this point
after the Nth try I had to quit before either the Toaster or myself
were permanently damaged!

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I am interested in using Toaster/Lightwave with a pen/tablet
instead of a mouse for painting and modelling.

Anyone out there using one instead of a mouse?  I have always
found it impossible to use a mouse to paint and draw with,
and now carpal tunnel syndrome in my left wrist (I'm left
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Thanks..


JOSH

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I'm getting a horizontal shift of the image when I convert Lightwave images
re-rendered in Rend24-1.05, and converted to anim7 with viewtek1.05.
The images horizontaly shift to the left. This is very apparent with
things like flying logos. I spent a lot of time getting my last frame centered
in lightwave, it remains centered when converted to an anim with rend
24,but ends up off center in anim7.

Anyone had any experience with this?

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to yesterday. I discovered it  was the  last frame from the Lightwave Image
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clearing the buffer by rebooting, or remembering to clear the buffer
at some other time during the process, I didn't get the flashing anymore.
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>Some of my textures seem to be missing also.  The tutorial would say, load
>this texture, and it wouldnt be there.
>

I talked to NewTek Support right after receiving the double-up.  They
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registered owner would receive a floppy with the missing/incorrect
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> Probably a simple explanation, but i tried to convert some imagine objects to
> lightwave using pixel pro and i got a strnge effect.... it seemed half of
> every squar composed of 2 polygons was missing.  Example of what should be two
> polygons, but i only get one...

Your problem is that the surface normals are flipped the wrong way for half
of the polygons. What you want to do is select all of the polygons and then
hit "unify" (or is it align, I can't remember) to make all of the normals
face the same direction. After that you may have to flip them all because
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> Probably a simple explanation, but i tried to convert some imagine objects to
> lightwave using pixel pro and i got a strnge effect.... it seemed half of
> every squar composed of 2 polygons was missing.

LightWave does backface removal to speed up rendering. That means that any
polygon that doesn't face the camera (based on the right-hand rule of vertex
ordering), will not be rendered. You can correct this in Modeler by loading
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I'm currently rendering an animation at 30fps with very high deltas (40-60k
range).  I first rendered out as a bunch of low res RGB files, and used
Render 24 to pack them into an Anim 7 anim, and then used ViewTek to play
them back.  The playback was jerky, no doubt to the high delta rate.  I
packed it down from 18 bit to 256 colors, and I still couldn't get rid of
the jerks.

Finally, on a whim, I used the Toaster to generate a low res preview.  It
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My question is, how is the Toaster getting that performance?  Is it a better
anim format?  If so, is it possible to extract the anim player from the
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I have been tryingf to get the mailing list sent to this net address for
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I was playing around with LW at a local store this weekend.
I was trying to get a chrome sphere to reflect the other objects in the scene
(which it did), but the sky always came out grey instead of black in the
reflection. I tried changing the light type and position, cutting off the
speculation and diffusion, etc., but nothing worked. I set reflection to
100%. I didn't have time to read thru the manual and the store people were
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I need to make a cloud that is a 3D object. I have tried to take a ball and
 move it around into a mess instead of a cloud. I have thought that
putting a light inside and have the object transparent might look good.
So is there any objects out there or does anyone know how to make
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I solved this one by basically making sure I save the 2D disk
and 3D disk objects from the Modeller at the same time I created
then, ie, make the 2D disk (actually 3D with the Z axis at 0), save
it, then extrude the segment to make the coin like object.

The objects then morphed fine without any rotations/translations, so I
will assume as suggested it was a point ordering problem.

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I made a wine glass in modeler by placing points freehand and using
the lathe function.  Although this worked out okay, I thought of a
more automated and perhaps more flexible way to accomplish the same
thing.  I used the ball object, placing one inside the other with
faces in the proper direction.  The spacing between them was about
1 mm for the glass thickness.  I was able to make the spheres to
be more elongated when I created them or to stretch them out later.
Then I just lopped off a portion to make the opening for the wine
glass.  Then I extruded a small disk for the stem and used a flat-
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|Could you be more specific?

Well, I know LW is not your program, but you hopefully knows more about
that than I do. My problem is: I want to wrap a picture around an object.
No big deal, you can do it planar, cylindrical, spherical and now cubic,
that's much better for distorted surfaces, but not ideal. My guess is if
couldn't be developed a way to map the picture *re-aligning* or rotating
the portion that will be mapped in that specific polygon to be aligned
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fect for skin mappings (trying to map an elephant skin over the phonebook's
dinosaur wasn't very satisfacting even in cubic mapping -it was TOO much
distorted...)

Talking about YOUR program, congratulations, its really much better now.
I just don't understand why the moving solid preview crashes my machine so
much... probably because of the lack of memory (only 8Mb). Anyway, I'll
send you a HUGE (and I mean it) wish list for modeler 4.0. :-)

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Hi, I'm new to Lightwave and I've been wondering if there is a big
FTP site somewhere that has Lightwave objects and misc. Toaster stuff?
There are quite a few sites around that have Imagine stuff, but what
about Lightwave?  Are there any tutorials saved as text files?
What about the Lightwave mailing list archives?  Are they kept
somewhere?  Help me!  :-)

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